Obama on ObamaCare: Can you smell the bipartisan consensus?
posted at 2:00 pm on October 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
If he can convince himself that the Taliban’s no longer an enemy, it figures that he’d think a 34/47 split on ObamaCare in the latest poll (and 42/47 across a spectrum) represents “consensus.” Although, in fairness, this isn’t an assessment based on polls: The chief evidence of Republican support, starting here at around 1:20, comes from the much-despised governor of the fiscal catastrophe known as California, the RINO-turned-independent mayor of New York, 85-year-old Bob Dole, and Bill Frist, whose most recent comment on ObamaCare is that he wouldn’t vote for the Baucus plan. And Frist isn’t the only one whose support for reform is more nuanced than The One’s letting on. Over to you, Tapper:
But as Republican aides in the Senate point out, the devil — as always — is in the details.
On Fox News Channel’s “Your World With Neil Cavuto” on Oct. 9, Dole said Republicans are “not going to buy on to all the excise taxes that Sen. Baucus put on the bill. It’s going to drive insurance companies out of business. We believe in the private sector.”…
Thompson said in a statement with former House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., “Failure to reach an agreement on health reform this year is not an acceptable option.”
They added: “Clearly, there are some issues that remain troublesome and unresolved in the Senate Finance Committee’s bill, but there are opportunities to debate these issues further as Congress moves in both Houses toward enactment of health reform this session. Differences in approach among committees in the Senate and House should not obscure the fact that there is also substantial common ground and compatible provisions between the Senate Finance Committee bill, the Senate HELP reform bill and H.R. 3200 in the House of Representatives.”
And Schwarzenegger has said, “The House originally proposed fully funding the expansion with federal dollars, but due to cost concerns, members decided to shift a portion of these expansion costs to states. I will be clear on this particular proposal: If Congress thinks the Medicaid expansion is too expensive for the federal government, it is absolutely unaffordable for states. Proposals in the Senate envision passing on more than $8 billion in new costs to California annually – crowding out other priority or constitutionally required state spending and presenting a false choice for all of us. I cannot and will not support federal health care reform proposals that impose billions of dollars in new costs on California each year.”
If only there was some way to foster bipartisanship by incorporating conservative ideas into the reform plan. Too bad conservatives don’t have any ideas anymore, huh?
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So still no current Senators. If you can’t even drag Snowe along you know the bill is a turd.
BadgerHawk on October 10, 2009 at 2:04 PM
I’m beyond tired of hearing from the Dems that the GOP has no alternatives and that if you oppose the Dems’ version of “reform” you’re either opposed to reform altogether or support the status quo. It’s utter nonsense.
Why isn’t the GOP buying air time and promoting its plan?
DerKrieger on October 10, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Don’t question the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate!
Enoxo on October 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Kind of shows the desperation of Obama to make Obamacare appear bipartisan to provide he and his party with political cover. Dole recently said he supports health “reform” the same way that Mitch McConell does and that he would not support the Baucus bill.
Hera on October 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Hey AP, do you actually watch all these weekly addresses along with everything else coming out of the White House, or do you rely on tips? Because the former would be an awful way to spend the weekend.
BadgerHawk on October 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Yeah, new momentum he’s whipping up out of thin air.
I can’t wait for the day, please God, that everyone calls him the fabricator that he is. Unreal.
Diane on October 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
I knew he’d come around.
Caiwyn on October 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Yeah, House Republicans haven’t offered any proposals or ideas:
H.R. 77; H.R. 109; H.R. 198; H.R. 270; H.R. 321; H.R. 464; H.R. 502; H.R. 544; H.R. 917; H.R. 1086; H.R. 1118; H.R. 1441; H.R. 1458; H.R. 1468; H.R. 1658; H.R. 1891; H.R. 2520; H.R. 2607; H.R. 2692; H.R. 2784; H.R. 2785; H.R. 2786; H.R. 2787; H.R. 3141; H.R. 3217; H.R. 3218; H.R. 3356; H.R. 3372; H.R. 3400; H.R. 3438; H.R. 3454; and H.R. 3478.
uknowmorethanme on October 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM
No.
That implies that there was Republican input permitted on ANY of the bills, much less the one currently wending it’s way through the congress. Instead, the president cherrypicks the opinions of some of the most out of touch “Republicans” currently in or out of office and claims bipartisan support.
The disingenuity is STAGGERING! Incidentally, I accuse him of being disingenuous because it terrifies me even more to think he might actually be stupid enough to think that the above would actually constitute support, regardless of the massive negative polling on both sides of the aisle.
Militant Bibliophile on October 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM
How can they ask people to pay even a dime more in taxes or fees? Why am I going to be charged more for the insurance I can already afford to pay? They just want me to foot the bill for everyone else. No thanks.
Blake on October 10, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Smell the detritus of Waterloo.
elduende on October 10, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Just think, if we could just pass this health care bill, the unemployment numbers would magically reverse and all would right in the world.
d1carter on October 10, 2009 at 2:09 PM
You lie!
rbj on October 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Once again, ZO breaks it down for us in simple, easy-to-understand terms.
SNL Crackin’ Obama Jokes? Oh, No Day D’int
uknowmorethanme on October 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM
I smell something but it isn’t bipartisanship. Obamacrap
Monica on October 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM
For anyone who thought the Copenhagen fiasco or the Nobel insanity was going to serve to slow The Precedent, at all, let this be a lesson to you. This imbecile knows no bounds and will not be stopped. He is on a mission to destroy our nation and he doesn’t care about anything else. He loves to lie, is too stupid to understand the truth most times, anyway, and will push and push until there is nothign left of the US but a smoldering ember.
This is what people get for trying to be reasonable with this impenetrable fool who hates us and who we are. Until people with large megaphones start being explicit about what a total moron this traitor is (and what an absolute traitor he is – without mincing words), this will not even begin to abate, let alone stop. This nation depends on us putting away the affirmative action thought-chains.
Nothing will stop this lunatic. For all of you who think that the tone was ever too harsh, pull your heads out of your arses. The Precedent is what he is. He is the most transparent liar to ever enter the American political scene. He is the worst enemy this naiton has ever faced. The WORST. He is as dumb as a box of rocks and only slides by on his blackness and people’s unwillingness to step anywhere near that issue (though the moron Precedent is quick to use the race-card all the time).
There is very little time left. I hope that our public figures can find some integrity. There are a few who have been leading the way (mostly talk radio, a couple of GOP Congressmen, some others) but even many of them are still treading lightly around the “sensitive” issues that The Precedent hides behind for his defense, and many others are just stuck in near total denial of what is REALLY happening.
progressoverpeace on October 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM
I smell something. But, usually, you find it by walking through a pasture. He’s doing his Obi-Wan Kenobi impersonation: This is not the Partisan Bill you see here.
kingsjester on October 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM
I think when they programmed Obama as the Manchurian Candidate years ago they short-circuited something between his colossal ears. He just doesn’t think or see things as we do.
That, or he’s insecure, frightened and in denial.
fogw on October 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Only warmongers question Nobel Peace Prize Laureate!
the_nile on October 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM
The saddest part of this travesty is that there will be a health care bill passed, but only for one reason: Obama needs to pass SOMETHING…. ANYTHING… no matter how outlandish and without regard to the will of the people, and with no thoughts on the impact of this disaster on the young people who aren’t even old enough to vote.
Hey, Obama. How about you repeal your Porkulus, demand that no further funds be disbursed until such time as an independent audit by the CBO be performed to peel back the pork. Put that pork back into the treasury or into the hands of TAXPAYERS (not welfare people) Cut taxes for individuals and small businesses? No? Why not?
Oh, that’s right. The stimulus was payback for your campaign. How silly of me.
Key West Reader on October 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Who cares what he has to say.
lavell12 on October 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM
I can’t smell the bipartisanship. However, I can smell the dog-feces mixed with vanilla icecream.
Schadenfreude on October 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM
There’s that line again, “Without adding a dime to our deficits.”
That right there should disqualify any plan of Ogabe’s because only the dumbest of the dumb (i.e. the liberal base) would believe such a claim.
Bishop on October 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Because Michael Steele is a limp dick.
Mr. Arrogant on October 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM
The left must believe that if they say anything enough, it becomes the truth. The BS meter is off the scale in this video. The spin is dizzying. The equivocation astounding.
The “Need for speed”, “If you are against this bill, you’re working against America for political gain”, and “All the issues have been dutifully discussed and dispatched” arguments are insulting.
No wonder he’s the left’s Messiah. He is a very practiced and shameless fabricator. This video is pure canard.
ROCnPhilly on October 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Palaver in Chief
Beaglemom on October 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM
We should be working on a plan for a bill that will expedite a COMPLETE REVERSAL of this sham of a bill.Come next election cycle these socialist marxist’s are out and an overturning gala will begin!
justonevictory on October 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Nah, he’s just not fully developed, and never will be. There’s not much there, there. He’s Humpty Dumpty.
Schadenfreude on October 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Hey Obama! PEACE!!! Errr, oh wait. That’s 2 fingers, isn’t it?!?!
capejasmine on October 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM
“bipartisan consensus”?
LOL
“meet our responsibilities to our children”???
bwahahahahahhahahaha
dissent555 on October 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Good thing our economy is booming, unemployment is below 5%, the budget is balanced, and we are not printing money in the Trillions…
… Now, what did Teh Gelding have to say about Tort Reform and expanding choice across State lines to help bring down the cost of health care?
Seven Percent Solution on October 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Nothing but BS.
easyone on October 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Ideas
amkun on October 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Because it would be crude and unladylike?
PersonFromPorlock on October 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Oh he’s fully developed. The cutoff point happened in Middle School when he was still sitting on grandma’s lap having milk and cookies. Beta-male on estrogen.
fogw on October 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Two Weekly Standard article (page and a half each) with each linking to a one-page pdf. Worth your time.
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/060tovvp.asp
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/045zzzma.asp
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/Small-bill%20proposal%20TWS%283%29.pdf
BuckeyeSam on October 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Something tells me that Kurt Cobain + his drugged up g/f could have had more success than Obama and his smells.
MeatHeadinCA on October 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Any Republican that signs on to any healthcare bill at this is point is committing political suicide.
That said, according to Newt this thing’s probably a done deal by way of sleight of hand. Through parlimentary machinations that by only the letter of the law, and surely not the intent, the entire package will be assembled after it passes a Senate vote. It will then be entirely rewritten by Baucus, Dodd, Reid and their respective staffs.
Where-upon, in this now unread by any House member or any other Senator, let alone the publoic at large, the bill will be sent to the Precedent for his sgning into law.
As with anything initiated by gov’t, once started it becomes near impossible to remove.
America is fairly well electrified now in this day of our lord 11/10/09, yet the Tennessee Valley Authority is chugging right along promoting the use of electricity along fully funded. Despite newer gov’t programs now in place trying to reduce that use.
We have a federally mandated farm program striving for prarie dog eradication, while it fights against the EPA that is trying to preserve it.
In Maine we still to this day maintain the largest helium bottling and storage operation on earth, it is maintained as a holdover WWII strategic reserve that in case of war we need to float derrigibles in a time of war as observation platforms. Our Keyhole spy satellites would render that point rather moot don’t you think?
None the less, this thing looks to be foisted upon us regardless of it’s detrimental effects. Its a bitter pill to swallow, either we choke it down, or we grab Congress by the throat in 2010 and hope for the best.
Archimedes on October 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Stepped in WHAT???
Del Dolemonte on October 10, 2009 at 2:41 PM
That pic looks like he are 15 fiber bars,gasola!
ohiobabe on October 10, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Wow. The consummate politician. Looking you straight in the eye and telling a bald-faced lie.
29Victor on October 10, 2009 at 2:42 PM
…maintained as a holdover
WWIIWWI strategic reserve…Fixed it, sorry ’bout other typos.
Archimedes on October 10, 2009 at 2:44 PM
I smell Bozo desperation.
dogsoldier on October 10, 2009 at 2:44 PM
I like the cut of your gybe…
Seven Percent Solution on October 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Here’s a good article that breaks down the sources of the $829 billion cost of BaucusCare. I recommend it.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Health-care-tab-to-be-paid-by-taxpayers_-businesses_-seniors-8361542-63800742.html
From the article:
(emphasis added)
But wait. Aren’t Dems telling us that if we have employer-provided insurance that we’ll keep it? Aren’t the Dems dismissing claims that their bills will prompt employers to drop their coverage, leaving employees to buy it on their own?
This point is NOT being highlighted.
This Baucus outline (there is no bill) is a complete piece of crap. How can voters sit by picking their noses?
BuckeyeSam on October 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Somebody needs to check the White House garden for hallucinogenic plants an herbs.
rplat on October 10, 2009 at 2:47 PM
The Republicans will support it (as will the Blue Dogs) when they figure out how they can benefit from it, and will resist only as long as necessary for appearances:
“Well, I fought against it, but golly gee, we just aren’t going to win this one. At the end of the day, we must focus on the issues that really concern the American people.”
Dr. ZhivBlago on October 10, 2009 at 2:47 PM
hmmm the Tommy Thompson stuff makes me scratch my head. One of the few politicians that I actually like (can count them on one hand and have three fingers left) and he goes down this path
Doctor Zhivago on October 10, 2009 at 2:47 PM
We all know that the conservatives have plans for changes that need to be made to health care and health insurance and that the media refuse to acknowledge them, but it would be nice if conservatives would try and forward the argument of ‘reversibility’. THe Washington junta and Traitor-in-Chief are pushing to pass functionally irreversible measures that would turn everything upside down, including our Constitution. The greatest advantages of the conservative ideas for health care (besides the facts that they are Constitutional and will work) is that the conservative plan is totally reversible, without much problem at all. They need to pound this home. The Dems are proposing, what are tantamount to, permanent changes that lock our nation in, while the conservative ideas can be undone at a moment’s notice, with very few side effects. It only makes sense to try the reversible changes, first, to see if they work. Only then, if America is still insane enough and disdainful enough of our Constitution and traditions, they will still be perfectly able to screw us forever with their anti-American health care proposals. But the opposite is not true. Once the treasonous, America-hating dems pass their abortion of a health care/health insurance bill, there will be no going back.
I don’t, for the life of me, understand why conservatives have not pushed this very important point.
progressoverpeace on October 10, 2009 at 2:48 PM
I like the cut of your gybe…
Seven Percent Solution on October 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Tanx por dat!
Archimedes on October 10, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I saw Dole on TV last night . . . I think they’re pumping some of that Botox straight in to his brain.
rplat on October 10, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I believe when the 16th Amendment was passed back in 1913 tax rates began at 1% and did not exceed 7% for the highest wage earners at that time. The public was told it was a small and temporary tax.
That was almost 100 years ago, it’s still here and it’s skyrocketed through the roof.
The gubmint lies.
fogw on October 10, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Heck, even today old Kurt has more brains than the average democrat.
Aviator on October 10, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Excellent address of the permanence problem.
progressoverpeace on October 10, 2009 at 2:53 PM
The average democrat has the brains of Courtney…
MeatHeadinCA on October 10, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Nice post as per usual. Get fired up. No compromises.
Geochelone on October 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM
The GOP shouldn’t do a damn thing, just let Obama and the Dems destroy themselves.
lavell12 on October 10, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Promote this, from BuckeyeSam
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/Small-bill%20proposal%20TWS%283%29.pdf
Schadenfreude on October 10, 2009 at 2:59 PM
The great manipulator and his media minions, passing out kool-aid to the dumb masses, are determined to undermine this once great nation. Terrorists don’t worry me near as much as this administration. we’re being defeated from within.
.
YOU LIE
DougDavis on October 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I can smell something but it sure as h*ll aint bipartianship.
farright on October 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Those are some of the most coherent words out of the Terminator’s mouth in a while. But a whole lot of liberal mixed with a pinch of conservative = FAIL.
conservative pilgrim on October 10, 2009 at 3:08 PM
WisCon on October 10, 2009 at 3:09 PM
These idiots are going to bankrupt the country. They couldn’t sell enough of their paper the other day to buy a cup of latte from Starbucks, if they’re still in business. The only bad thing about Cali going broke is they tend to move to my state.
Kissmygrits on October 10, 2009 at 3:11 PM
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I don’t smell consensus–I just smell more President Obama (PBUH) B.S.
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Wait until the tax hikes, energy shortages, Medicare cuts to docs, continued unemployment really “hit home”.
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And speaking of “hitting home”–his appeasement of the Jihadis and their supporters / enablers will result in a nuclear 9/11/2001 type strike on our cities. Coming soon–to a city near you. Thank the Messiah.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on October 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM
They do it because they’ve been doing it all their lives. They don’t know it’s even happening.
ROCnPhilly on October 10, 2009 at 3:14 PM
People get he can’t find a solution to (insert # here) un-insured and just leave everybody else the hell alone.
Marcus on October 10, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Schwarzenegger specifically said he did not support a public option.
The WH wrote to him asking for a statement, and he wrote a vague statement of approval for some sort of reform. The DNC broadcast the letter as support for Obama’s “plan”. Any reporter who wrote about it in that way (Karen Tumulty at TIME, for example) was doing nothing more than publishing a DNC talking point memo. Shocking, I know.
MayBee on October 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Is Dear Leader smoking the gonja weed again?
ncborn on October 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Bob Dole?
If Obama is so desperate he is depending on Former Senators he is more pathetic than I thought. Why not go after Alan Simpson? Try to convince Gordon Smith.
portlandon on October 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Barack Hussein Obama
A good night’s sleep he did arise
To find he won the Nobel Prize
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
Olso says he’s quite the rave
He wears it now like Flava-Flav
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
Socialist faith he does restore
Just not sure what he won it for
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
The Olympics cut him down to size
So he got a consolation prize
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
Putting the ‘Hope’ in Hopeless
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
txag92 on October 10, 2009 at 3:20 PM
He’s been smoking that pipe again.
ctmom on October 10, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Thanks, Geo. You’re right. There is no compromise on this. The Precedent is a political suicide bomber. I hope and pray that more people can come to grips with this and understand what it means.
progressoverpeace on October 10, 2009 at 3:22 PM
For the Republicans, the Devil is in the details of creating new taxes, for Democrats, the Devil is the desire to create new taxes.
For every liberal solution there’s a hundred new taxes.
Deficit neutral for who?
Speakup on October 10, 2009 at 3:28 PM
I heard him gush this consensus crap on radio news just now. It’s breathtaking. He seems to think people will believe whatever he says, no matter how preposterous or far fetched. The little narcissist is unbelievability shameless.
petefrt on October 10, 2009 at 3:31 PM
It’s THE story of Obama’s life:
Vote Present
Nobel Peace Prize for ZERO accomplishments
“Let me be clear”
Doctors in Costume
Fake Greek Colums
Did not bow to Saudi King
“I did NOT know ACORN got all those federal dollars”
Bipartisan Healthcare Reform is a LIE!!
TN Mom on October 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM
…Sniff Sniff….All I smell is bullsh*t!
YOU LIE!
HornetSting on October 10, 2009 at 3:41 PM
The key for them is to establish a “public option”.
Any public option.
That is the crack in the dam through which the Democrats will begin to ooze.
justltl on October 10, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Obama is delusional. The Nobel Appeasement Prize didn’t help matters much.
BottomLine5 on October 10, 2009 at 3:42 PM
The way this guy liews with a straight face is unbelievable. He evidently thinks the majority of the American Public is going to believe his b.s.
kingsjester on October 10, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Schadenfreude on October 10, 2009 at 3:50 PM
liews=lies
oops
kingsjester on October 10, 2009 at 3:50 PM
It’s good to read comments from someone who realize that cute comments and “reasoned” analysis from people fully invested in the game of politics — and the bogus civility that goes with “reasoned” responses — no longer make it.
I’m not sure what can be done to derail Osama Obama and his hundreds of fellow America-haters in Congress. He and they have forced the issue nearly to the point where fixing the damage is almost certain to be very ugly.
MrScribbler on October 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM
When will the treasonous complicit media stop parroting the Liar-in-Chief? This example is just absurd.
marklmail on October 10, 2009 at 4:18 PM
It’s gonna take a while; the media is still picking up the Emperor’s ‘clothes’ that he leaves laying around!
TN Mom on October 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I’ve come up with a little ‘test’ for my liberal friends to see how much they know about ObamaCare. I simply remark to them in conversation how shocked I am that healthcare won’t be free! So far, 3 out of 4 allowed as how they thought it was about free healthcare for everyone.
Blithering idiots.
LEBA on October 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Yep. And they love the ugliness, as it is part of their scorched-earth strategy – just like Saddam’s dumping of 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lighting afire nearly every oil well in Kuwait, all as we were allowing him a retreat in one of the most humiliating defeats in human history, just as we see with The Precedent and Washington junta. I’m with Beck on the idea that they have to be totally shut down. Nothing can be allowed to come out of this lunatic Congress. Other wise …
We can only hope that the dire, and utterly insane, nature of the situation will eventually force people to dispense with civility in favor of blunt honesty and survival of the American ideal. I’m watching allah as somewhat of a leading indicator for this. We’ll see.
progressoverpeace on October 10, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Smells like teen spirit.
mrt721 on October 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM
I need somebody please explain this.
Why did they give the Nobel Peace Prize to the guy who is dividing America over health care?
Really Right on October 10, 2009 at 4:48 PM
The sooner your/my/our hope is realized and a majority of Americans signal their unwillingness to accept what the Chicago Jesus and the Congressthugs are trying to force on us, the better the chance that the nation can be saved without violence and aftereffects that would last for decades.
If, on the other hand, Osama Obama continues to operate unchecked, the history of other third-world, tin-pot dictatorships tells us that a change in course is likely to be bloody.
MrScribbler on October 10, 2009 at 4:50 PM
“New momentum”? What happened to the “old momentum”?
ddrintn on October 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM
His “Republican” support consists of: Frist, Dole, Baker ,Bloomberg (I) and the Terminator . . . get real Obama.
rplat on October 10, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Welllll…I do smell something. Don’t think it’s consensus, tho.
uncivilized on October 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
catmman on October 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Eastasia is our ally.
catmman on October 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Obama is a such a fibber.
Terrye on October 10, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Question: Would the Secret Service allow the President to toke before appearing on Television?
GarandFan on October 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM
rplat:
Even Dole and Schwarzenegger and Frist are backing off this thing.
Terrye on October 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM
I also think that just because someone says the support reform, it does not mean they support the plans offered so far.
Terrye on October 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM
You are way too gracious :) It is fascinating to me that his first compulsion is to lie, misconstrue, twist, and manipulate his words when speaking. I can’t imagine that this man has ever had an honest conversation in his lifetime.
sherry on October 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Barack Obama is a little man.
mountainmanbob on October 10, 2009 at 5:36 PM
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