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New White House idea: Hey, let’s turn the Taliban into Hezbollah

posted at 9:44 pm on October 9, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Via Ace, if you believe WaPo, the first The One will be hearing of this is when he reads it in their newspaper.

The goal, senior administration officials said Thursday, is to weaken the Taliban to the degree that it cannot challenge the Afghan government or reestablish the haven it provided for al-Qaeda before the 2001 U.S. invasion. Those objectives appear largely consistent with McChrystal’s strategy, which he says “cannot be focused on seizing terrain or destroying insurgent forces” but should center on persuading the population to support the government…

Some inside the White House have cited Hezbollah, the armed Lebanese political movement, as an example of what the Taliban could become. Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by the U.S. government, but the group has political support within Lebanon and participates, sometimes through intimidation, in the political process.

Some White House advisers have noted that although Hezbollah is a source of regional instability, it is not a threat to the United States. The senior administration official said the Hezbollah example has not been cited specifically to President Obama and has been raised only informally outside the Situation Room meetings.

“People who study Islamist movements have made the connection,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

A tidbit WaPo doesn’t mention here: Hezbollah’s “participation” in Lebanon includes fielding a militia so powerful that it overran the Lebanese capital last year before voluntarily withdrawing to avoid a civil war and possible regional Sunni/Shia crisis. I mentioned that the other day in my post about Obama’s new view of the Taliban, in fact. Afghanistan has the makings of the same dynamic: Weak central government, weak national army, and a well trained jihadist proxy secure in its own territorial enclave, where it can either plot terror/host AQ camps or threaten the capital from afar. In this case, a la Hezbollah being supplied by Iran, the Taliban would likely end up as a proxy for jihadi sympathizers in Pakistan’s army and intelligence services. Once the U.S. is out, it’ll be easier for Pakistan to solve its own Taliban problem by making a deal instead of waging war: In return for Pakistani weapons and support, Talibs in the tribal areas might agree to evacuate to Afghanistan and do whatever they’re going to do there. Which is why, of course, the U.S. is so invested in expanding and training a national Afghan army. That’s the only thing in the long run that’ll head off a true Hezbollah-esque nightmare in the country.

But never mind that. Is the White House seriously going to try to sell this to the public by arguing that Hezbollah isn’t a threat to the United States? I realize we’re playing pretend these days about who our enemies are, but the FBI’s been eyeing Hezbollah sleeper cells in Canada and even inside the U.S. for years now in anticipation that they’ll make a move if/when tensions with Iran come to a head. No less a figure than Bob Mueller testified before Congress that Hezbollah was caught smuggling people across the Mexican border. Fox News produced an entire special devoted to Hezbollah’s presence in the U.S. focusing on a cell in Charlotte, North Carolina. In fact, which rabid neocon said this in 2003?

“Does Saddam Hussein or Hezbollah represent the greater threat to the United States,” asks [Senator X]. “In my opinion, there’s no question that Hezbollah is that greater threat, and yes, we should go after it first and go after it before we go to war with Iraq.”

[X] says Hezbollah has a global network of radical Islamic supporters, with enough operatives in the U.S. to pose a terrorist threat here.

“It has a significant presence of its trained operatives inside the United States waiting for the call to action,” says [X].

But if we were to know that classified information, would we be more concerned? Would we be more afraid of Hezbollah than we are today?

“Well, I’m more concerned and more afraid than if I did not know what the scale of their presence was in the United States,” says [X], without any hesitation.

“They are a violent terrorist group. And they have demonstrated throughout their now 25-year history a hatred of the United States and a willingness to kill our people.”

Answer: Bob Graham, Florida Democrat and former chair of the Senate Intel Committee. Look out for further White House spin along these lines; in all likelihood, Roggio will have to write another lengthy demolition of their talking points. Exit question: If the White House is worried about an Iranian nuke, and the White House isn’t worried (yet) about long-range Iranian missiles, then whom do they suppose is the prime suspect to sneak one of those nukes into the United States?


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Exit question: If the White House is worried about an Iranian nuke, and the White House isn’t worried (yet) about long-range Iranian missiles, then whom do they suppose is the prime suspect to sneak one of those nukes into the United States?

Russia via subs

upinak on October 9, 2009 at 9:47 PM

AP: Have you considered blogging from somewhere other than New York?

d1carter on October 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM

I shall now commence with banging my head against a wall. I was in Israel in ‘06 after the Lebanon war and saw the aftermath of the “gifts” from Hezb’allah. Yeah. awesome idea, moron brigade…

mjk on October 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Taliban into Anbar…maybe. Taliban into Hezzbollah? Well beyond the Taliban being Sunni and Hezzbollah Shia (and Iranian backed), the US cannot accept side switchers unless they denounce extremism.

Mr. Joe on October 9, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Wait, Taliban into Hezbollah or Hezbollah into Taliban? I fail to see the huge difference.

MeatHeadinCA on October 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM

…. the US cannot accept side switchers unless they denounce extremism.

Is extremism a fancy word for “can’t stop blowing sh*t up”? Or “can’t stop killing little Jews”?

You’re a little too PC for me, Mr. Joe…..

mjk on October 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Neither the Taliban nor Hezbollah will ever be our friends. To consider either as non-threatening is beyond dangerous. Attempting to transform the Taliban is virtually impossible, and just plain stupid.

anXdem on October 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Well,so far its awesome Liberal leadership!

This needs more talking,and more talking!(Sarc).

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 9:57 PM

As long as BHO stays away from those far right-fringe tea people, I don’t care who he makes love peace with. /getalife

MeatHeadinCA on October 9, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Are the Liberals really at WAR!!

If so,could they tell us who that enemy is,
so everyone else knows!!

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Do not we have random pi$$ tests for Federal employees? Can we not start enforcing this from the POTUS down?
Like tomorrow? 8:am?

katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:01 PM

oops, do we not

katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:02 PM

If the Obama Administration says it’s so, then it’s so.

Good Lt on October 9, 2009 at 10:03 PM

BTW,I thought American Policy,was not to negotiate
with TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:04 PM

BTW,I thought American Policy,was not to negotiate
with TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Well, that would be inconvenient after our Prez went to one’s house…

MeatHeadinCA on October 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Do not we have random pi$$ tests for Federal employees? Can we not start enforcing this from the POTUS down?
Like tomorrow? 8:am?

katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:01 PM

katy the mean old lady: Too late,in light of Hopeys Noble
Prize thingy,the world has lost its
mind,

somehow,KOOL-AID went Airborne!!:)

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM

BTW,I thought American Policy,was not to negotiate
with TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:04 PM

That is sooo last year. Now it means domestic racist teabaggers like…me.

katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Well, that would be inconvenient after our Prez went to one’s house…

MeatHeadinCA on October 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM

MeatHeadinCA: UGH!!:)

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM

AP: Have you considered blogging from somewhere other than New York?

d1carter on October 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Second that sentiment.

steveegg on October 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM

So the Strait of Hormuz is the newest small strip of Earth that will be bombed?

SouthernGent on October 9, 2009 at 10:12 PM

That is sooo last year. Now it means domestic racist teabaggers like…me.

katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:08 PM

katy the mean old lady: Sooooo last year,(*sigh*)and
yup!!

Obamas Foreign Policy Excellent
Adventure disaster ongoing and
neverending!:)

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:14 PM

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Are you sure I can’t lease Newfoundland til 2011? Please,please, I promise to paint, mow the lawn and run against Dave Drywall for M.P. from Dildo.

katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:16 PM

So the Strait of Hormuz is the newest small strip of Earth that will be bombed?

SouthernGent on October 9, 2009 at 10:12 PM

SouthernGent: I hope that area is infested with angry
and pissed off gaggle of C-130 Spectre
Gunships,for starters!!:)

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:16 PM

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Are you sure I can’t lease Newfoundland til 2011? Please,please, I promise to paint, mow the lawn and run against Dave Drywall for M.P. from Dildo.

katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:16 PM

katy the mean old lady: Now your talkin,getting rid of
Dave WroughtWall is a start!!

Are you sure you want Newfy-Land!
–hehe:)

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM

If someone were writing the thriller version, the Taliban would strike the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony.

Obama’s level of aggressive unreality invites a harsh wake up call.

One can only HOPE he is the main recipient of its ringing.

profitsbeard on October 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM

No wonder the Europeans love this guy, he is a tool. They will own North America again in no time with this moron running the place.

Hezbellah killed our Marines in Lebanon. Hundreds of them.

Terrye on October 9, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Obama, clueless, as usual.

modnar on October 9, 2009 at 10:23 PM

So basically, we return to the Clinton era policies of dealing with the Taliban as a legitimate negotiating partner, and other similar halfway solutions that blow up in our faces later.

No wonder they gave him the Peace Prize: he’s going to give the world the kind of “peace” the Iraqis enjoyed for decades before we ruined their lovely kite-flying dictatorship.

Seixon on October 9, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Are you sure I can’t lease Newfoundland til 2011? Please,please, I promise to paint, mow the lawn and run against Dave Drywall for M.P. from Dildo.

I’m pretty sure Drywall has the Dildo vote in the bag.

Aviator on October 9, 2009 at 10:24 PM

How about this…let’s just move the taliban into the District of Columbia and keep them there. Problem solved all the way around.

HornetSting on October 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Hah.

And some of you folks were wondering how the Right/9-12′ers/TP types were going to stay ‘engaged’ until the 2010 mid-terms.

This is only the beginning.

It’s almost to the point that the GOP doesn’t need to run ads; just turn on the 6:30 news. This $hit just writes itself.

Any sane person with 5 functioning brain cells can sense the Republic [and the World, in general] is heading for the Abyss.

CPT. Charles on October 9, 2009 at 10:27 PM

How about this…let’s just move the taliban into the District of Columbia and keep them there. Problem solved all the way around.

HornetSting on October 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM

“Taxation without representation,” baby!

MeatHeadinCA on October 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Are you sure you want Newfy-Land!
–hehe:)

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM

The good people of Dildo would love to replace Dave,but with a pop.of 643 they are hard pressed for a replacement.
Plus,they bred some grand dogs over the years. Took my Lab to visit his roots years ago. Cape Breton to Newfoundland to P.E.I. He was called the “smart” Newfie.

katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM

How about this…let’s just move the taliban into the District of Columbia and keep them there. Problem solved all the way around.

HornetSting on October 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM
“Taxation without representation,” baby!

MeatHeadinCA on October 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Hell, the murder rate is already high, might as well let them all eat each other..politicians included.

HornetSting on October 9, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Hell, the murder rate is already high, might as well let them all eat each other..politicians included.

HornetSting on October 9, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Barney Frank would be happy about that…

MeatHeadinCA on October 9, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Bush to Taliban: Capitulate or suffer the fate of your conspirators.

Obama to Taliban: Maybe we can forgive you for your missgivings that allowed three thousand souls to perish, and your treatment of women. I am now the prince of peace. Shalom, my lost brothers.

I’m embarrassed the man is my president.

Rovin on October 9, 2009 at 10:37 PM

How can anyone disagree with a Nobel Prize Winner?

lavell12 on October 9, 2009 at 10:38 PM

HornetSting on October 9, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Barney Frank would be happy about that…

MeatHeadinCA on October 9, 2009 at 10:36 PM

More excited than Bawney at a hot dog cart….

HornetSting on October 9, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Hey, Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize, he’s the smartest president ever!!! The Taliban is putty in his hands, now. And the snowstorm heading for Chicago and Denver on Sunday? Obama will stop it with a mere wave of his hand.

Back in the 30’s there were many many educated people in Europe and in Asia, and quite a few Americans, too, who believed, actually took it as a matter of faith in mankind, that we could simply talk to the rising forces in Germany, Japan, and the Soviet Union, and peace would reign over the globe. Less than a decade later, a quarter of that world was filled with smoking embers, shattered bricks and twisted steel, and the bodies of millions, millions of men, women, and children sent to their deaths because the educated portion of the so-called civilized world believed talking was an end in itself.

If you are not carrying a big stick, and are not fully willing to use it when you wish, not when an enemy wishes, stop talking and start humbly begging.

coldwarrior on October 9, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Hezzbollah has cells across S. America and a hand in the tunnels under the US Mexican border. They have support and agents in the US and function as the Iranian foreign legion, the arm of the mullahs for carrying out murders and fatwas. Of course they have no connection to the hizzbolla “political” wing to which the obamese carterites were affectionately referring.

They also have some history with the US marines in Lebanon who were there on a peace mission.

Reality Check on October 9, 2009 at 11:30 PM

The good people of Dildo would love to replace Dave,but with a pop.of 643 they are hard pressed for a replacement.
Plus,they bred some grand dogs over the years. Took my Lab to visit his roots years ago. Cape Breton to Newfoundland to P.E.I. He was called the “smart” Newfie.
katy the mean old lady on October 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM

katy the mean old lady: Newfoundland dogs are huge,and awe
some,and ya,I`m always kidding about
‘Newfy’,great people,great dogs!!:)

Our family has a Lab,and 3 cats:)

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Hey, let’s turn the Taliban into Hezbollah

Better idea: let’s turn them into worm food.

Russ on October 9, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Not only is Obama attempting to sell the idea to the public, he is also, openly offering Afghanistan to the Taliban.

What does he expect to get in exchange? Time to withdraw US forces? Or the sleeper cells already here stay asleep until the next time the Taliban or AQ wants something?

Skandia Recluse on October 9, 2009 at 11:52 PM

It would be nice for The One to offer a gun-totin’, right-leanin’, tea-baggin’, baby-boomin’ old fart like me the same consideration as the Taliban. Face it: they’ll get a seat at the table, their very own diplomat, foreign aid, a free pass on all their warrants and parole violations, and most likely, a night on the town courtesy of BarryO.

How do you sign up for Hezbollah/Tallywackerban anyway?

Robert17 on October 9, 2009 at 11:55 PM

The President tries to enlist the Taliban .. meanwhile the DNC uses the pejorative “Taliban” to describe the Republican reaction to the Nobel.

If the President can’t negotiate with the domestic “Taliban” what makes any one think that after the DNC insults them that they will have any better luck with the “Taliban” in Afghanistan.

J_Crater on October 10, 2009 at 12:24 AM

How about this…let’s just move the taliban into the District of Columbia and keep them there. Problem solved all the way around. HornetSting on October 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM

The crime rate would go WAY down, ‘cept for people and sh$% blowing up now and then.

Mojave Mark on October 10, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Another one for the records from the reality-based community.

REALITY-BASED.

Black Yoshi on October 10, 2009 at 12:42 AM

You know, I just want to say to all the lib trolls that infest this site,

“Have you No Honor?”

I wonder about you guys. Me thinks you’re possibly the neighborhood friendly guy, always there to lend a helping hand, do good works, karma shit and all that. And yet, your also observant and has seen something ‘out of place’ with a few people in your community. But, you just worked it out by telling yourself, “Hey, everybody’s strange”, then blithely ignored your gut feeling.

There might be a good reason you felt that way initially, but subsequently, not wanting to be prejudicial or an Islamaphobe, wrote it off.

After all, these olived skinned, middle eastern types (oops, did I just profile? MB) all have peculiar traits and customs, so why should I play judge, jury and executioner? Live and let live.

Ah, but dear padwan, the dark force is greater than the other if so you allow it. Read that, “Get us all killed you will”.

That goes for your Dad, and all your brothers! Your Mom and Sisters will be made into Slaves! You will have to sell your soul anew to appease your masters. There will be No free will in you left to contemplate freedom.

So, don’t be a snitch, rat, fink, stoolie or informant. Just realize you may have been PC’d into extinction.

I have more…

OkieDoc on October 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM

One thing here no one even considers is how many Americans and others NOT of the Islamic would step up to help Hezbollah in its attacks here in the US.

There are large groups of University and Liberal folks like Ward Churchill, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright to name a few who’d actively help them to cause terror and mayhem (along with no few currently working in the White House).

There are the folks like Pelosi, Franks, Reid, Ellison, and the rest of the Congressional gang who’d hamstring anyone’s efforts to “violate their civil rights” while trying to stop the attacks.

We’d also have the media playing up the mayhem and hammering anyone who took “unlawful” revenge back against those killing our people.

Last but not least, how many folks do you think Fidel, Chavez, Correa and maybe the Chinese and Russia have got here that might give aid and comfort?

babylonandon on October 10, 2009 at 12:57 AM

“Is the White House seriously going to try to sell this to the public by arguing that Hezbollah isn’t a threat to the United States?”

Of course, and Obama’s fellow Nobel ap-Pease Prize winner Jimmy Carter will be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with them.

mrt721 on October 10, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Well, look at it this way….if we put them all in one place, some place called talibanland, we can wait until they feel all comfy there then turn the lot of them into smoke and ash in one stroke.

But ‘bama wouldn’t do that to his best buds, I’m sure.

Spiritk9 on October 10, 2009 at 1:47 AM

This is where “unclench your fist” is the same as “You can hang a ‘Kick Me’ sign on my back.”

shorebird on October 10, 2009 at 3:20 AM

Are the Liberals really at WAR!!

If so,could they tell us who that enemy is,
so everyone else knows!!

canopfor on October 9, 2009 at 10:01 PM

They are at war with The United States of America, its Constitution, its Morals and its Values.

Viper1 on October 10, 2009 at 3:59 AM

Flaws in this argument:

1. The IDF is a check on Hezbollah.
2. Hezbollah tried to establish allies in Iraq and failed, the Taliban will immediately have members in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
3. Hezbollah is a threat to the United States.
4. They can’t be trusted.

By the way, if the White House has any sense they would use an Iraq analogy, how the 1920 Brigades was an insurgent group that became an ally of the United States.

rob verdi on October 10, 2009 at 6:51 AM

Iran is a tiny country. It isn’t a threat to us. That goes double for Afghanistan.

/Obama

Kafir on October 10, 2009 at 7:10 AM

The most laughable thing in this report is: “Hezbollah is no threat to America.” Hezbollah is spread all around the world, including every American city, prepared to wage a terror campaign if we go to war with Iran. But it’s no threat to America. What a load.

fleiter on October 10, 2009 at 8:03 AM

How can anyone disagree with a Nobel Prize Winner?

lavell12 on October 9, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Exactly right.

RagTag on October 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM

Our president is a pacifist Peter Pan.

Cindy Munford on October 10, 2009 at 8:46 AM

How can anyone disagree with a Nobel Prize Winner?

lavell12 on October 9, 2009 at 10:38 PM

And a Muslim too!

bluegrass on October 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Great! Lets create another 2 party system in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq just like the 2 party system we know and love so well. We can then hope that they will be satisfied killing each other off and leave us alone. Is this our new foreign policy?

Kissmygrits on October 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM

You know, if this award gives him a bit of clout in negotations, then it’s good.

We need NATO to rejoin America in Afghanastan.

Simple stuff.

So we’ll see if they do. If they don’t, and I’m not expecting that, the the award is merely ‘issing in the wind.’

Let’s see how Europe REALLY feels.

AnninCA on October 10, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Barack Sovain Obama. What would give him clout is if he showed he had a pair…kept his word once in a while…stuff like that.
Clout? The award has helped to show him for what he is and what he has accomplished…Nothing.
He has accomplished nothing of value at least. Unless you are pleased with his insulting and or turning his back on our allies, refusing the best advice of his Generals leaving our Troops in peril, hiring Communists left and right, devaluing the dollar as never before, destroying the auto industry, banking,demoralizing the CIA and our Armed Services Personnel in general, embracing wanna be dictators as in the Honduras…the list goes on ad infinitum and grows by leaps and bounds each day…hell…each HOUR!
Obama is a liar and Truth is
killing his Marxist agenda.

Army Brat on October 11, 2009 at 6:22 PM

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