Health-care industry leaders shocked to find ObamaCare costs
posted at 4:10 pm on October 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The Washington Post reports on the oh-so-predictable disillusionment of the major players in the health-care industry over the direction of ObamaCare, especially over promises broken by a White House that has steadfastly refused to lead after suckering them into giveaways. The list of the disillusioned includes the AMA, which recently endorsed the ObamaCare concept, and hospital executives, who thought they’d end up with extra cash for caving. Suddenly, facing a massive array of new taxes on devices and new efforts to extend penalizing “fees”, these major players are shocked,shocked to find themselves dealing with class warriors (via Hugh Hewitt):
The industry heavyweights President Obama neutralized through the summer are agitating that the health-care bills in Congress violate agreements they made with the White House, leave 25 million Americans uninsured and have the potential to increase medical costs.
One day after Democrats celebrated the news that a bill drafted in the Senate Finance Committee would not increase the deficit, the prospects for speedy enactment of landmark reform grew murkier. Industry leaders, who have held their tongues for months, spoke in increasingly dire tones Thursday about the impact of the Democratic proposals, raising the specter of an eleventh-hour lobbying campaign to defeat Obama’s centerpiece domestic policy goal.
Many lobbyists and independent analysts underlined what they called major flaws in the Finance Committee’s bill, saying it probably would draw the sickest, most expensive patients into the health coverage system without balancing the insurance risk with more young, healthy people. The result, they predicted, would be ever-rising premiums for the people, businesses and governments that pay for medical care. …
The American Medical Association is concerned because the 10-year $829 billion cost of the Senate bill does not include $200 billion in promised higher Medicare payments.
Hospital executives, meanwhile, complained that the legislation would leave 25 million people without coverage in 2019. The uninsured place a high burden on hospitals, which are required by law to treat everyone who arrives at an emergency department, regardless of citizenship or ability to pay. Those costs result in debt for hospitals and higher fees for people with insurance.
Not only have the higher Medicare rates disappeared — sacrificed to keep the Baucus plan from hammering the deficit — these providers face massively higher costs, thanks to the device tax Baucus plans to impose. They can’t recover all of the new costs if Medicare payments remain at their current level, and pegging the public option payment schedule to Medicare will make this worse, once the Senate adds that option back into the proposal. Suddenly, all of that cash that encouraged these industry leaders to back the reform effort has dissipated, and Congress wants more concessions from an already-strapped industry.
It has never been clear why they trusted Democrats in the first place. The Obama administration has yet to engage at all in building the legislation for its own policies, including the stimulus and the cap-and-trade system that also topped Obama’s list of priorities. These organizations cut deals with the wrong people. Obama has exercised no leadership on health care, and Democrats in the Senate and House feel no particular reason to honor Obama’s commitments.
They have spent the summer, Obama included, demonizing everyone in the system in order to build popular support for their program, and not just insurers. Anyone remember Tonsil Vultures and Foot Rustlers? Doctors getting rich off of unnecessary surgery? Why would anyone with a financial stake in the system trust Democrats after their mindless class warfare of the past several months on this issue?
Maybe they have awakened to the threat, although I’m not entirely convinced. If they have, they deserve the Captain Louis Renault Award for extraordinary, and at least somewhat dishonest, obtuseness.
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Don’t they know Obama won? Election and Peace Prize?
You can’t question someone who won. He knows what’s he’s doing… otherwise, how’d he get the Peace Prize!
Enoxo on October 9, 2009 at 4:12 PM
When you play with snakes you will soon get bitten.
MaiDee on October 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Why does Senator Baucus want people with medical devices to die?
LincolntheHun on October 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Wasn’t the Senate voting on some version of this abomination by the “end of this week”?
LibTired on October 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Get in bed with a dirty dog and you catch fleas. Idiots – didn’t they know they were dealing with liars and thugs?
suzyk on October 9, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Clearly, Baucus’s bill inadvertently cut out the payoff cash to the big players.
That’s why they’re going loud.
BobMbx on October 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Because they’re stealing teh tonsils!
redzap on October 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Tuesday. They’ve posted it online for transparency and are waiting for the American citizens to review it for a few days…
Ha ha, just kidding, their work schedule doesn’t start again until Tuesday. They only work two days a week, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Enoxo on October 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM
It would be refreshing if business leaders would be consistent in their message to DC whether run by the GOP or Dems. Make the message, “leave us alone,” and stick with it. We do not want subsidies. We do not regulations that help company A, but hurt companies B, C and D.
WashJeff on October 9, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Hey Pharma et al, if you didn’t see that coming then you have not been paying attention!
Branch Rickey on October 9, 2009 at 4:19 PM
“AMA” doesn’t represent me (yeah, I’m a doc) or any of my colleagues. No more than that collection of shills in white coats at the White House event did. Of course, it serves the state-controlled media to portray them as if they did…
bofh on October 9, 2009 at 4:19 PM
So your saying that it’s a BAD idea to sign onto a plan that hasn’t even been written yet? Go figure.
ronsfi on October 9, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Obtuse doesn’t begin to define these idiots.
SouthernGent on October 9, 2009 at 4:19 PM
If by “Senate” you mean the Nobel Prize Committee, and by “some version of this abomination” you mean Obama; then the answer is yes.
WashJeff on October 9, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Fools get fooled.
It’s the story of the life and times of Barack Obama.
Kohath on October 9, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Okay, are all these people who were “tricked” going to say anything or just whine in the background. And what about the individual states who are getting perks so that their representatives can survive the wrath of their budgets being busted. Come on health care industry, speak up, don’t be shy.
Cindy Munford on October 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM
I know I am…. Educating everybody I can and getting them out in 2010 to throw the liberals out of office…. and that includes liberal Republicans. Enough is enough. It’s time to take our Country back.
suzyk on October 9, 2009 at 4:23 PM
I had an ultra sound yesterday (all clear) and the technician of twenty years told me the changes she sees coming will drive the 5 surgeons (Vascular surgery clinic) she works for to early retirement.
No matter how The One spins this we will have rationing in a few short years. When you start doing the math there is no other way.
As for Medicare the gutting of funding is criminal. Maybe you won’t have death panels but when seniors care is delayed it is the same as a death penalty.
FireBlogger on October 9, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Leaving the $200 billion out certainly manipulated the CBO numbers. This administration deserves a Nobel prize for rank dishonesty.
ICBM on October 9, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Well… they weren’t really agreements agreements…
I’m shocked shocked they didn’t see this coming! I just hopes this makes them dig in their heels and join the fight!
parteagirl on October 9, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Shuck and jive act, it’s all about the lies.
tarpon on October 9, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Go easy on them. It’s not like Obama has a history of throwing people under the bus. Ok, maybe he’s done it a few times, but never to those close to him. Ok, that’s not true either, but I’m sure he prefaced his deal with the industry leaders by saying “let me be clear”. How can you not take that at face value?
Doughboy on October 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM
When does the “savings” from the Medicare waste, fraud and abuse kick in?
d1carter on October 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Who cares? The bill is passing anyway and there is nothing Cons can do about it. Nice to see you all have a taste of what we went through when your God Dubya was screwing up America.
Good news is Obama is here to clean up the mess created by Cheney and his crew. Good enough for the Nobel folks to award Obama the peace prize for 2009 after only 10 months in power.
Afrolib on October 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM
How does it feel to be under the bus and looking up at the dirty smelly undercarriage? Can Baucus be far behind. We here in Montana certainly hope so.
Kissmygrits on October 9, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Hitler too, made promises he did not intend to keep. For Obama to get this through the congress without strong opposition from those who have the money to fight it. He must lie about the intent and make deals with those withwhom it is not in their best interest for the passage of this legislation. Snakes do come to mind. Poisonous snakes of the Chavez variety.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on October 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM
The Baucus Healthcare Bill for Dummies.
Your insurance rates stay the same with the annual increases for inflation.
Add a new set of taxes equal to what you are paying in health insurance premiums
Quit yer bitchin, it’s free.
Just A Grunt on October 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM
If by cleaning up the mess you mean 9.8% unemployment, a $1.4 trillion deficit, a deteriorating Afghanistan, and Iran on the verge of having nukes, I’d hate to see what an Obama screwup looks like.
Doughboy on October 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Thats what happens when you sell out your principles.
ctmom on October 9, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Personally I am waiting for Billy Tauzin and phaRma to get rolled, THEN I will have a glass of fine wine with my cheese and schadenfreude
ginaswo on October 9, 2009 at 4:37 PM
tarpon
they were BAMBOOZLED!!
ginaswo on October 9, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Guess my other one got scarfed up by the moderators so let me try again with the PG-13 version
Continue to pay for your private health insurance along with the annual increases for inflation
Add a new payroll deduction to pay for the government plan
Add in a series of taxes equal to the amount of the sum of your premiums
Quit gripping, it’s free afterall.
And watch that take home pay shrink, and shrink, and shrink.
Just A Grunt on October 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Let’s see if I understand this. There are approximately 47 million uninsured folks out there. The overwhelming majority of them live in cities. Every hospital must treat anyone who shows up at an emergency room, and this burden is crushing hospitals. The federal government is ready to spend over $800 billion in the next 10 years to change the current system which works reasonably well for at least 83% of the population. (That percentage is probably higher because many, if not most, of the uninsured are healthy and are happy with their current medical funding plans.) There is a concern by some that the changed systme “would draw the sickest, most expensive patients into the health coverage system.” (One would think many of these patients are already part of the burden carried by hospitals through their emergency rooms.)
So, why not just take that $800 billion to build and staff a civilian version of the Veterans Administration hospital system? (This should include establishing additional medical schools.) Seems simple, and patients would enter the government civilian hospital system on a voluntary basis.
Ira on October 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Sleep with dogs and you get fleas.
rjoco1 on October 9, 2009 at 4:42 PM
You forgot Foreskin Fiends…
Seven Percent Solution on October 9, 2009 at 4:42 PM
I wonder if the public insurance policy allows for a procedure to remove a knife from the back?
Just axing……I crack me up…..
Robert17 on October 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM
And the breathalyser boobs
macncheez on October 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Afrolib on October 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Can you be anymore of an uneducated tool….I mean troll?
Torch on October 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Is this the Letterman thread?
You’ve been sleeping with a dirtbag for over a year and TODAY you find out that not only does he sleep around, but he actually brought home some diseased fruit JUST for you.
Definitely facepalm, yep definitely.
Blacksmith8 on October 9, 2009 at 4:46 PM
FIFY
Stupid troll, no cookie
Blacksmith8 on October 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM
The created alliances of convenience to greedily save one’s own self by aligning with collectivists, only to be betrayed when it is no longer convenient for them, is so straight out of Atlas Shrugged it defies description.
If anyone is shocked, shocked I tell you, by anything this administration does need only read the book, and see what is to come all laid out.
With each passing day and duplicitous action by Team Obama, or those attempting to curry favor by prostrating themselves before the collectivist agenda, we are witnessing nothing less than proof of the prescience of Ayn Rand.
I am utterly amazed by precision of her depiction and what is transpiring as we speak, it is breathtaking. It is also scary as hell!
As Dagny Taggart so aptly wondered, does the “motor of the world” really have to stop, before man wakes to the insanity he so cravenly embraces?
And if this is so, with technology what it is today, is it even feasible to attempt “Going Galt”? Where can one hide or seek refuge from the “looters” empowered by a digital-age Big Brother?
I must confess that though such ponderings sound a touch paranoid to say the least, they none-the-less cause me to toss and turn at night as I have no adequate answers.
Archimedes on October 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM
THERE IS NO BAUCUS BILL
The internet is alive with the sound of people analyzing the CBO’s “scoring” of the Max Baucus aka Senate Finance Committee Health Care Bill. Before everyone gets too deeply into their thoughts, please keep in mind the following (get ready, all CAPS, bold, indented signifies a really important concept):
THERE IS NO BAUCUS BILL.
Blacksmith8 on October 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM
It has never been clear why they trusted Democrats in the first place.
Wrong. They didn’t trust “Democrats” writ large; they trusted the very extreme liberals that occupy the White House. They trusted that the deals made with Rahm would somehow work their way into legislation. And why anybody would have ever done that I can not even begin to guess. I would think these “industry leaders”, suckered by a man that a good portion of the country had already identified as nothing more than hype, almost deserve to get run over, except that such an occurence would mean very bad ju-ju for all of us.
johnny alpha on October 9, 2009 at 4:57 PM
You got me. Good one.
LASue on October 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM
The nitwits in Congress and the White House think that lowering payments is the same thing as lowering costs.
Did they learn nothing from Clinton’s attempt to lower vaccination costs “for the children”? Nope.
I wish Uhhhhbama would get a Nobel prize in medicine so he could get a clue.
darwin-t on October 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM
The link for the Clinton vaccine story didn’t work
darwin-t on October 9, 2009 at 5:01 PM
HR3200 has a ton of hidden fees and costs for dealing with all the new regs, inspections and paperwork. I guess they didnt actually read what the libturds plan to do.
dogsoldier on October 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Just A Grunt on October 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Acually the deceptive nature of the scheme is much more sublime than that.
1st we have the definition of a Cadillac plan at appx $6k.
2nd we heap massive taxes on all testing and devices that cause premiums to rise exponentially.
3rd print money like it is going out style causing inflation further causing the price to rise.
Soon everyone’s plan costs $6k or better and the 40% kicks in, thats how you pay for it.
The hyper inflation that is being orchestrated is by design to make what to some seems reasonable now. But like in pre WWII Germany where it took a wallet $1million mark notes to get basic staples, when common janitorial jobs pay over $250 a year everyone gets caught in the draconian tax bracket.
Team Obama knows that the only way to pay these deficits is by hyperinflationary monetization, allowing them to pay their foreign creditors in worthless money. They also know that said hyper inflation widens the breadth of those caught in their tax net.
The collectivist policies that have been practiced in other places have failed to raise them to our standard of living. As the collectivists never admit their failures, they now mean to acheive their notion of “fairness” by bringing us down to the levels of the 3rd world. This is most easily understood by the structure of the Cap & Trade program, it is nothing more than the largest wealth transfer in human history. Only as with every other scheme of ostensible “benevolence”, the cream always gets scraped off the top by those implementing it.
From UN’s “Oil for Food” program to Obama’s “community organizing” the do gooders never share in the misery they create in the name of the “greater good”. But their homes get ever more palatial as their ostentation grows at our expense.
Archimedes on October 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM
The health care industry made their bed, now the whores can bend over and take it.
GarandFan on October 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM
This is why emergency room all across the country are closing. No emergency room equates to no liability to treat non-payers.
unclesmrgol on October 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Sorry, I need to fix that,
Actually the deceptive nature of the scheme is much more sublime than that.
1st we have the definition of a Cadillac plan at appx $6.5k.
2nd we heap massive taxes on all testing and devices that cause premiums to rise exponentially, roughly by 10-15%.
3rd print money like it is going out style causing inflation further causing the price to rise through dollar depreciation.
Soon everyone’s plan costs $6.5k or better and the 40% tax kicks in, now everyone is paying $9k for a $6.5k plan, thats how you pay for it.
That seems a little clearer now.
Archimedes on October 9, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Power was a very interesting word to use in that context.
WitchDoctor on October 9, 2009 at 5:40 PM
…AND…you don’t GET your health care until a political appointee determines that you’re worth treating!!! This saves even MORE money….
…we might even MAKE money on this!!!
/sarc>
landlines on October 9, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Over the last year and a half, Obama has told whopper lies EVERY DAY with impunity. When will people wake up? The guy lies to EVERYONE about EVERYTHING to accumulate power.
marklmail on October 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM
These doctors have not watched enough gangster films, if they had they might have seen this double cross coming.
Terrye on October 9, 2009 at 6:03 PM
It’s the Chicago Way.
Being Barack means never having to say you’re sorry.
PattyJ on October 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Obama must have some mystical ability to make people believe him face to face. Even after you see him lie and lie and lie and lie and lie, what makes people cut a deal with him? Every tea partier was wondering why would the AMA cut a deal to support Obama…don’t they know they’ll get stiffed? Or how about the drug companies…are they nuts or just naive? How about the insurance providers? Obama has made all of these groups the scapegoat at one time or another, why do they trust him? Why does anybody trust him?
Christian Conservative on October 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Never ceases to amaze me how many stupid people there are in this world. I believe anything, and I am constantly amazed!
ultracon on October 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM
I’ll give you a million dollars if you spend half a million dollars supporting my plan. And you, and you, and you, the same deal. Now that I’ve gotten your endorsements, it is with regret, and for the good of all, particularly those poor, ignorant, and powerful mobs whom you’ve convinced, that I must ask each of you for more. And you can forget about the million I said you’d get back. I don’t need you anymore.
AnotherOpinion on October 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Archimedes has the answer. John Galt it.
- Don’t have an employer
- Work for barter only. This automatically controls for inflation
- Don’t have any income above the poverty level.
- Find a good emergency room or free clinic
Basically disappear and don’t have financial tracks. Makes the Amish look like like the original John Galts, minus the power plants, of course.
prophetsfather on October 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM
I’m to the state of nausea that I’m ready for them to pass ’something’ as they’ve told us repeatedly and get it over with. It will be the biggest bloodletting of the DNC since the year dot in 2010, followed by another in 2012.
Those hammering away at civil rights, gutting the Constitution, and making medical decisions without the benefit of going to medical school, will soon find out what the consequences are when you enter into an insane marraige with the devil.
24K lady on October 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM
My Spidey Sense tells me that the IBD poll of 45% of doctors retiring, or quitting will be going up, way up.
jukin on October 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Nelson Muntz, found late this afternoon in a two dimensional digital work environment, commented “Suckers! Ha Ha!!!”
ExpressoBold on October 9, 2009 at 6:56 PM
These deluded organizations have not realized that it is not business as usual in a fascist takeover. They thought it was the usual quid pro quo, and it is not.
It is all for the one and the one all for the one.
Dhuka on October 9, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Hey, why not go to the senators’ residences with a few buckets of tar and a bag of feathers to, ah, impress them. . . . .
amr on October 9, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Too bad some liberal didn’t donate at the right time to the local Klanned Parenthood in your neighborhood specifically to kill minority babies. They can and have done that, you know. Would have saved a lot on welfare money and raised the collective IQ of the USA by a point or two.
Dark-Star on October 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Yep. They finally figured it out. The way that I know Big Pharma woke up is…….I work for Big Pharma in their drug development division and GUESS WHAT? NO NEW DRUGS are being investigated in a serious manner. Sure, we’re pondering and doing theoretical stuff, the mice are cheap, but we’re not going forward with human studies. We’ve got possibles on MS, Parkinsons, Alzheimer’s, and Diabetes but we’ve been told that the people at the next stage of the development pipeline are being told to hold off on spending the money to bring these to human studies phases.
So, yes, I’m sitting here writing to you and telling you that we may have potential cures for people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and while the mice are cured, living longer happy lives because they’re still fed kibble, people will be suffering because until we know that Big Pharma won’t be killed in the healthcare debate, we’re sitting on our hands being little more than zoo keepers.
athenadelphi on October 9, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Geez. You’re not even good at trolling. Do you have anything beyond the talking points in your arsenal?
stvnscott on October 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Anyone going along with Obama destroying America’s access to quality health care deserves to be at the back of the soup line and living in a cardboard box.
ray on October 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Huh?
“What a maroon”-Bugs Bunny.
HAnthonyWayne on October 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM
There are more MRI machines in Alaska, population 660,000 than in all of Canada, population 33,212,696. Does that tell you anything?
Didjah notice that the fine for not getting health insurance is not the sum total of your punishment for non-participation. There’s jail time involved as well.
Sort of a debtors prison kinda thing….
you doan pay huh? then you go prison for a while…maybe you pay then eh? maybe sumting bad happen while you are away maybe…? Better pay now…you think?
What’s next? I shudder to think…
Obama is a liar and Truth is
killing his Marxist agenda.
Army Brat on October 11, 2009 at 6:57 PM
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