Even mainstream media stunned, skeptical over Nobel Peace prize

posted at 9:30 am on October 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Many of us assumed that the mainstream media outlets would cheer Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize award today, but as Byron York notices, they seem as stunned as everyone else — and also as skeptical.  For instance, the Washington Post reminds readers that two other sitting American Presidents have won the Nobel, but only in their second terms, and only after they’d, er, actually achieved something:

Obama is the third sitting U.S. president–and the first in 90 years–to win the prestigious peace prize. His predecessors won during their second White House terms, however, and after significant achievements in their diplomacy. Woodrow Wilson was awarded the price in 1919, after helping to found the League of Nations and shaping the Treatise of Versailles; and Theodore Roosevelt was the recipient in 1906 for his work to negotiate an end to the Russo-Japanese war.

In contrast, Obama is struggling over whether to expand the war in Afghanistan, preparing to withdraw from Iraq, and searching for ways to build momentum to restart Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and assemble an international effort to stop Iran’s nuclear program.

On Twitter, a number of people are making reference to Jimmy Carter’s award in 2002 for nothing more than speaking out against the policies of George Bush.  However, Carter had a legitimate shot at it in 1978 for his work on brokering a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt only a few years after their last war — and didn’t get a share in the Nobel awarded to Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat for those efforts.  Has Obama done anything remotely significant in foreign affairs, let alone as significant as that agreement, which still continues today?

The New York Times should also be cheering, but instead it also questions the thought process of Nobel voters:

Reporters at a news conference to announce the prize pressed the committee’s chairman, Thorbjorn Jagland, to explain the reasons Mr. Obama had prevailed over other candidates who included human rights activists in China and Afghanistan and political figures in Africa.

Specifically, reporters asked whether Mr. Obama might not become mired in a war in Afghanistan as Lyndon B. Johnson was in Vietnam.

But the committee said it wanted to enhance Mr. Obama’s diplomatic efforts so far rather than anticipate events in the future.

What diplomatic efforts “so far”?  He gave a speech in Cairo and … and … and … gave a few in Europe, too.  That was the point of those questions from reporters; Obama has done little so far.  He has mostly followed the Bush policies in two wars that the Nobel committee appeared to detest over the last few years, as Allahpundit pointed out in his post this morning.  Obama did make a big show of appeasing Iran during its election crisis.  Perhaps they should change the award’s name to the Neville rather than the Nobel.

Finally, Matt Lauer apparently hit the nail on the head with his assessment, according to TMV’s Joe Windish:

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LAUER: There are no major foreign policy achievements to date … In some ways he wins this for not being George W. Bush.

GREGORY: That’s an inescapable conclusion.

That’s actually the only reason.  He won for getting elected.  It’s no more significant than that, and even the normally fawning American media know better.

Update: Peter Beinart says this only reinforces the conservative argument that Obamamania is all about style over substance, calling the award a “farce”:

I had always thought the way these things worked was that you helped bring peace or democracy to some corner of the globe first, and then you won the Nobel Prize. But this year, the Nobel Committee has turned that logic around: It clearly likes what Obama is trying to do: on nuclear disarmament, climate change and Middle East peace—and so, in a “preemptive” strike, it’s giving him the award now, in hopes that doing so will boost his chances of success later. It’s an interesting idea. Perhaps next they’ll start giving Oscars not to the people who have made the best movies of last year, but to the people who have the best chance of making the best movies next year. After all, once you’ve already made the movie, you no longer need the encouragement.

I like Barack Obama as much as the next liberal, but this is a farce. He’s done nothing to deserve the prize. Sure, he’s given some lovely speeches and launched some initiatives—on Iran, Israeli-Palestinian peace, climate change and nuclear disarmament—that might, if he’s really lucky and really good, make the world a more safe, more just, more peaceful world. But there’s absolutely no way to know if he’ll succeed, and by giving him the Nobel Prize as a kind of “atta boy,” the Nobel Committee is actually just highlighting the gap that conservatives have long highlighted: between Obamamania as global hype and Obama’s actual accomplishments.

Personally, I prefer this “major award”. It’s just as tacky, but at least it does something:

Update II: Jazz Shaw calls it Freaky Friday.


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Obama graduated magna cum laude. Unless you think you can graduate magna cum laude with a C average, Obama did much better than G.W.B.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:27 PM

really? who says? did you see a transcript?

WASHINGTON (USATODAY.com) — While the general impression during the 2004 presidential campaign was that Democrat John Kerry was the intellectual superior to President Bush, it turns out that their grades while undergraduate students at Yale were remarkably similar.
In fact, Bush’s were a tad higher. His four-year average was 77; Kerry’s 76. Both were C students. Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966; Bush in 1968.

Obama’s ‘brilliance’ is just another ASSumption on the part of gullible, brain-dead, easily led, liberals…

and you have to be, to be a lib…

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM

well..we do know he failed history.

becki51758 on October 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM

LOL and econ 101 OBVIOUSLY.

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Obama graduated magna cum laude. Unless you think you can graduate magna cum laude with a C average, Obama did much better than G.W.B.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Bush got an MBA from Harvard, No easy task.

Dire Straits on October 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The Nobel Committee was only following the example set by the American voter.

Who said achievement had to come before recognition? We obviously didn’t think so. Why should they?

I recall this time-honored saying: “And you shall be rewarded. Then go work hard.”

Wait, that doesn’t sound right. Does it?

IndieDogg on October 9, 2009 at 12:33 PM

are Obama’s grades like Kerry’s medals?

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM

That too! Plus, English if u listen to how he speaks.

becki51758 on October 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM

In related news, Obama was just announced as the 2009 AL MVP. He beat out Joe Mauer and Mark Teixeira, two guys who actually played this season and have tangible accomplishments to show for their efforts. The DNC released a statement saying that anyone who disagrees with The Won’s MVP selection hates baseball and, therefore, hates America, and should drop dead immediately. Nobama is also the early favorite to win the 2009 NL MVP, which would make him the first person in history to win both awards in the same season. Said the President upon hearing the news: ‘Whoa! What about the Cy Young?’

joejm65 on October 9, 2009 at 12:29 PM

This has royally backfired. It’s become a joke, and there is no defense to justified ridicule. It’s the worst possible outcome for Obama.

DFCtomm on October 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM

hmmmm….

There is more. Obama did not make the Harvard Law Review (HLR) the old-fashioned way, the way HLR’s first black editor, Charles Houston, did 70 years prior.

To Obama’s good fortune, the HLR had replaced a meritocracy in which editors were elected based on grades – the president being the student with the highest academic rank – with one in which half the editors were chosen through a writing competition.

This competition, the New York Times reported in 1990, was “meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.”

It did just that. At the end of his first year, Obama was named, along with 40 or so of his classmates, an editor of the HLR.

Unlike most editors, and likely all its presidents, Obama was not a writer. During his tenure at Harvard, he wrote only one heavily edited, unsigned note.

In this note for the third volume of the 1990 HLR, he argued against any limits on abortion, citing the government’s interest in “preventing increasing numbers of children from being born in to lives of pain and despair.”

link

the ‘logic’ is laughable…typical liberal ‘logic’

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM

In his acceptance speech, Obama said his young girls were the first to wake him up and tell him the news. How charming, touching and sweet.

EXCEPT. Gibbs just claimed with much excitement that he awakened the sleeping Obama at 6am with the news.

Literary license, I suppose.

Either way, Obama’s “goin’ to Disneyland” !

marybel on October 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize

Affirmative action on steroids.

Johan Klaus on October 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM

That too! Plus, English if u listen to how he speaks.

becki51758 on October 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM

ummm uhhhhhhh errrrrr when he uhhhhh errrr ummmmm doesn’t have the ummmmm errrr uhhhh teleprompter???

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Did you apply the same standard to George W.? After all his grades were much lower.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Much lower than whose grades, then.
As Obama’s grades are sealed, we don’t know.

Don’t know any test scores.
Don’t know grades.
Don’t know admision basis.

This is what happens when you hide things – they can’t be compared to things not hidden.

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Whooooeeeeee, Rush says, and Rush is right, that BILL CLINTOON must be furious! He worked his ass off, held meeting between Arafart and Isreal, has some global initiative rippoff and the Boy King gets the prize for doin as Saturday Night Live says JACK/ SQUAT Whooooeeee!

These Nobel guys must be gettin seriously all wee weeed up!

dhunter on October 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM

really? who says? did you see a transcript?
right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Sikes. We’re getting into birther territory here. HLS has confirmed it. It’s been widely reported on in news outlet after respectable news outlet. Unless you think there’s some sort of vast conspiracy behind all this, yes he graduated magna cum laude. Take a deep breath, and admit you were wrong. You’ll feel so much better.

Bush got an MBA from Harvard, No easy task.

Dire Straits on October 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM

True, but it’s a lot easier than getting a J.D. from Harvard.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Sikes. We’re getting into birther territory here. HLS has confirmed it. It’s been widely reported on in news outlet after respectable news outlet. Unless you think there’s some sort of vast conspiracy behind all this, yes he graduated magna cum laude. Take a deep breath, and admit you were wrong. You’ll feel so much better.

then he should release the grades, and proudly show off his brilliance!!!

why hasn’t he?? just like Kerry said he’d release his medical records….then NEVER did…no surprise there…

you’ve ‘jumped the shark’ into wacko moron liberal territory a long time ago.

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:40 PM

True, but it’s a lot easier than getting a J.D. from Harvard.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:39 PM

its obvious you’ve never been to college…some pigs are more equal than others there…

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:41 PM

joejm65 on October 9, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Heisman trophy next?

dhunter on October 9, 2009 at 12:41 PM

True, but it’s a lot easier than getting a J.D. from Harvard.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:39 PM

OK, if you say it’s true, then it must be.
We are all convinced, without evidence, because….

you say so!

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 12:42 PM

The king has no clothes.

Johan Klaus on October 9, 2009 at 12:42 PM

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Well, that plus his use of eubonics and his grammar sucks at times too. So lets see..his math sucks, his history sucks, sucky grammar. So why does anyone think hes intelligent?

becki51758 on October 9, 2009 at 12:42 PM

True, but it’s a lot easier than getting a J.D. from Harvard.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Honestly, who ^%$@# cares?

DFCtomm on October 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Johan Klaus on October 9, 2009 at 12:42 PM

No – in this case – the clothes have no emperor!

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Heisman trophy next?

dhunter on October 9, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Stanley cup. No team just him all by his lonesome.

DFCtomm on October 9, 2009 at 12:44 PM

PappyD61 on October 9, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I do like that list!

becki51758 on October 9, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Carter had a legitimate shot at it in 1978 for his work on brokering a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt only a few years after their last war

You give Carter too much credit for the peace treaty. It might be more accurate to say Carter gave it his blessing after Israel and Egypt agreed on it.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 9, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Okay, this is RAW MEAT for SNL.

Even a liberal pit bull with organic lipstick can’t resist a target this big.

Can’t wait to see what they do with this.

It’s already a joke. What’s next, when you pass joke, ludicrous, laughable and embarrassing?

IndieDogg on October 9, 2009 at 12:46 PM

This just in. In a stunning move, Hollywood has unanimously voted to award President Barack Obama this year’s Lifetime Achievement Oscar for the upcoming documentary “America’s Next Top President” a humbling look at the President’s future achievements in diplomacy that might occur as a result of his winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

As a side note, tonight Keith Olbermann will count down in a 2 hour special his nebulous reasons why President Obama is also a shoo-in for the Emmy, the Tony, the Grammy,and the Mirror Ball Trophy on Dancing With the Stars.

wordsmithy2009 on October 9, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Moooooving onnnnnnn uuuuuuuuup!

We finally gotta piece of the pie ….. Prize.

viking01 on October 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM

viking01 on October 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM

weezie… WEEZIE?!

Yes, Honey…

My prize, it’s time to polish my PRIZE!

yes dear….

ted c on October 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Honestly, who ^%$@# cares?

DFCtomm on October 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Apparently you guys, because you keep bringing up Obama’s grades. I didn’t bring it up.

you’ve ‘jumped the shark’ into wacko moron liberal territory a long time ago.

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:40 PM

LOL. Because I’m not engaging in crazy conspiracy theories about Obama’s grades? What’s your alternative theory? HLS is lying about him graduating magna cum laude? Do you have any proof of that? It’s highly entertaining to watch you grasp at straws here. Please do go on.

OK, if you say it’s true, then it must be.
We are all convinced, without evidence, because….

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 12:42 PM

I have some anecdotal evidence which is fine because since it’s a subjective assertion it’d be impossible to have definitive proof anyway. I go to law school and a few of my friends are in the dual degree program so they’re getting their M.B.A.’s along with their J.D.’s. They say compared to the LS classes Business School classes are a joke. They spend maybe 10-20% of their time on B school work. I’ve heard numerous others tell me the same thing.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I hope SNL is preparing a skit for this.

lavell12 on October 9, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Maybe they actually said that Obama had won the Nobel Speech Prize.

Johan Klaus on October 9, 2009 at 12:50 PM

in re crr6

“nutso” and “sikes”

Using silly nonsense terms is a trademark of those who want to approach children by talking like them.

Take a deep breath, and admit you were wrong. You’ll feel so much better

the creepy patronizing is also……inappropriate and creepy

Janos Hunyadi on October 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Obama graduated magna cum laude…..
crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:27 PM

URBAN LEGEND

marybel on October 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM

True, but it’s a lot easier than getting a J.D. from Harvard.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Do you really not understand this affirmative action thing? Your Precedent, who is allegedly a Constitutional scholar, took the totally wrong position in his support of Zelaya’s un-Constitutional attempted coup in Honduras. Even Zelaya’s supporters admitted that the Honduran government acted within the framework of their Constitution, except that he complained that he hated the Honduran Constitution (Arias). But your great scholar couldn’t figure this out.

I guess you think a Constitutional scholar who thinks that empathy is the important characteristic of a justice is someone to be proud of.

You are pathetic. You know it and we know it and we all know that we all know it. Your Precedent is a joke for the history books. You know that people will still be laughing about all this hundreds of years from now – that’s how ridiculous it is.

progressoverpeace on October 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Ladies and gents, your next American Idol winner…..

Barrrrrrrrrack Obama!

Hey why not?

angryed on October 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Rush references The Won and is saying, “Peace be upon him..”

Comedy Gold.

ted c on October 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM

“nutso” and “sikes”

Using silly nonsense terms is a trademark of those who want to approach children by talking like them.
Janos Hunyadi on October 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Clean up, Aisle 3!

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM

well..we do know he failed history.

becki51758 on October 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM

LOL and econ 101 OBVIOUSLY.

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Don’t know much about history
Don’t know much about producing energy
Don’t know much about an economics book
Don’t know much about the constitutional law I took

But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be

La ta ta ta ta ta ta
(History)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
(Producing energy)
La ta ta ta ta ta ta
(Economics book)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
(Constitutional law I took)

But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be
- The Boy Emperor (Now to be joining other Great Men such as Al Gore, Jimmy Carter and Yasser Arafat as the proud recipient of the Nobel Peace Price!)

MB4 on October 9, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Obama graduated magna cum laude…..
crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I’d believe it if he’d uhm uhh uhm release his uhm uhh transcripts.

angryed on October 9, 2009 at 12:53 PM

What’s the uproar about? Celebrities always get expensive stuff for free.

We should send Joe Wilson to the award ceremony so he would stand up as Obama receives the award and shout: “the emperor is naked.”

Michelle Dubois on October 9, 2009 at 12:53 PM

http://www.tcotreport.com/

GO VOTE IN THIS POLL AT TCOTREPORT.

Should Kanye West award the Nobel to Barack Obama or to Beyonce’???

GOLD!

ted c on October 9, 2009 at 12:54 PM

They voted on this 11 days after he was in office?

IT’S LIKE GIVING AN MVP AWARD TO AN ATHLETE WHO HASN’T EVEN PLAYED IN THE PROS YET.

jaboba on October 9, 2009 at 12:54 PM

They spend maybe 10-20% of their time on B school work. I’ve heard numerous others tell me the same thing.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Your friends are full of it. I’ve done both.

Vashta.Nerada on October 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Clean up, Aisle 3!

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Clean yourself up, troll. What I said is true. You often use the language of a child.

It seems to have Struck a Nerve. Why would you take it so personally?

Janos Hunyadi on October 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM

HA needs to run a contest. Give a HA t-shirt to the person who comes up with the most outrageous award that Obama should receive.

DFCtomm on October 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Do you really not understand this affirmative action thing? Your Precedent, who is allegedly a Constitutional scholar, took the totally wrong position in his support of Zelaya’s un-Constitutional attempted coup in Honduras. Even Zelaya’s supporters admitted that the Honduran government acted within the framework of their Constitution

Didn’t the opposition to Zelaya suspend the Constitution a couple weeks ago. Obama really chose the wrong side huh? LOL.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Your friends are full of it. I’ve done both.

Vashta.Nerada on October 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Do you think B school is harder?

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM

URBAN LEGEND

marybel on October 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM

He got his first degree from Harvard in Political Science, but not MCL.

However he did graduate MCL from Harvard Law School.

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM

MB4 on October 9, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Bravo!! *claps*

becki51758 on October 9, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I go to law school

crr343 on October 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Moe Howard University doesn’t count.

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM

This is interesting and all, but I’m late for my Hippocrates Award ceremony that I’ve been awarded because I might someday cure cancer.

/

DrAllecon on October 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM

However he did graduate MCL from Harvard Law School.

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM

But have you seen the transcripts yourself? Than how do you really know??1?!4?@?? Open your mind!

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 1:00 PM

crap6 goes to law school

Ted Bundy went to law school

crap6 is therefore the same as Ted Bundy

( example of a crap6 argument )

Janos Hunyadi on October 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Do you think B school is harder?

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Yep. Though, it takes two different skill sets to succeed at each.

Vashta.Nerada on October 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Heisman trophy next?
dhunter on October 9, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Nah. The Heisman is a college award, and Zero is allergic to releasing any accomplishments related to college.

joejm65 on October 9, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Yep. Though, it takes two different skill sets to succeed at each.

Vashta.Nerada on October 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I guess it depends on the student. A couple of the friends I know have advanced degrees in math, so maybe that makes it easier, plus our law school is known for being particularly strenuous (at least for 1L’s). In general though you’re the first person who’s ever told me Business School is tougher.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I go to law school

crr343 on October 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Your continual display of illogic strongly suggest you either choose “defense lawyer” as your specialty, or change majors.

Yoop on October 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I post on another board, which caters to Ph.D.s and Ph.D. students from around the world, the type of demographic which generally has the greatest love for Obama outside of black lesbian Manhattanites. They posted a poll about whether or not Obama deserves the prize. A couple dozen people responded so far and not one person voted “yes.”

There is hope for the future, my friends.

calbear on October 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Come on South Park, work your magic! You had your shot at celebrities last episode, now give us something to REALLY sink our teeth into!

Orange Doorhinge on October 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I guess it depends on the student. A couple of the friends I know have advanced degrees in math, so maybe that makes it easier, plus our law school is known for being particularly strenuous (at least for 1L’s). In general though you’re the first person who’s ever told me Business School is tougher.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Would you get lost. You are such a buzzkill. This is the funniest thing I have heard all weak and you keep cluttering up the thread, and guys quit feeding the troll.

DFCtomm on October 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM

A couple of the friends I know have advanced degrees in math, so maybe that makes it easier, plus our law school is known for being particularly strenuous (at least for 1L’s). In general though you’re the first person who’s ever told me Business School is tougher.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM

In general, for the mathematically oriented, business school should be easier and law harder, and the opposite for those who prefer reading and writing to ‘rithmetic. The grading is much more subjective in law, though, in my experience.

Vashta.Nerada on October 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Sorry, I’m not sure if anyone has said it but…

This smells like an international version of Mission Accomplished!

Laura in Maryland on October 9, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Shiny prize for POTUS
Awarded for doing zero
Sun then set in east

Yoop on October 9, 2009 at 1:09 PM

and guys quit feeding the troll.

DFCtomm on October 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Okay, sorry, but it’s the biggest slimy-est target on HA

Janos Hunyadi on October 9, 2009 at 1:10 PM

This is the greatest thread in the history of HotAir…brought to you by the most undeserving individual to ever receive a once prestigious prize.

· prom king
· Heisman Trophy
· Best In Show

Hilarious. I love this blog.

BirdEye on October 9, 2009 at 1:12 PM

The New York Times should also be cheering, but instead it also questions the thought process of Nobel voters:

This is dangerously close to pulling back the curtain. It’s a bit too obvious.

DFCtomm on October 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Overheard at the White House:

“Dayum PEBO! that prize sure is gonna look mighty fine as a hood ornament on our limo! If only Ed McMahon could deliver it.”

viking01 on October 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM

guys quit feeding the troll

but, he is so obtuse it’s actually fun

runner on October 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM

LtE126 on October 9, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Cut it out!!!!!!!!!!

yoda on October 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Welcome to the club, Barry.
Barack Obama
Jimmy Carter
Al Gore
Yasser Arafat

You must be so proud.

Mallard T. Drake on October 9, 2009 at 1:29 PM

The perfect SNL skit would be prizes and awards falling from the sky, like office crap in a STAPLES “easy button” commercial onto Obama Bin Lyin as he stands at the podium.

Alden Pyle on October 9, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Moe Howard University doesn’t count.

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM

“It’s not FAIR that Moe gets all the attention – nyak nyak nyak!” – Curly Howard, Provost

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I have some anecdotal evidence which is fine because since it’s a subjective assertion it’d be impossible to have definitive proof anyway. I go to law school and a few of my friends are in the dual degree program so they’re getting their M.B.A.’s along with their J.D.’s. They say compared to the LS classes Business School classes are a joke. They spend maybe 10-20% of their time on B school work. I’ve heard numerous others tell me the same thing.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM

There are (2) run-on sentences in this paragraph.
You also defend a prior statement, which you made as a declarative statement (offered as fact, not opinion) by stating that “it’s a subjective assertion.”

I’d assume that, in Law School, they covered:

1. Sentence structure.
2. The diference between fact and subjective assertions.

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Moe Howard University doesn’t count.

Del Dolemonte on October 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM

In defense of Moe Howard, and stooges everywhere:

Moe lived a productive life, loved his family, practiced his faith, and died happy, with money in the bank.

We should all be as much a Stooge as he.

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 1:56 PM

This just in:

Congress has awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor to President Barack Obama on the feeling that he may do something courageous sometime in the future.

sdd on October 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Didn’t the opposition to Zelaya suspend the Constitution a couple weeks ago. Obama really chose the wrong side huh? LOL.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:56 PM

That’s false. Provide a creditable link.

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2009 at 1:59 PM

2. The diference between fact and subjective assertions.

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Saying “Business school is easier than law school” is a subjective assertion moron. People could have different points of view on it based on their own subjective experiences. Saying “Obama graduated from HLS magna cum laude” is not. Get the difference now?

If I can educate one HotAirhead a day, I’ve done a Herculean task.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

That’s false. Provide a creditable link.

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2009 at 1:59 PM

No problem.

LOL.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:02 PM

At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama won the Cy Young award this year.

Erich66 on October 9, 2009 at 2:03 PM

OK, I have to clear up this transcript thingy right here and now….

I have SEEN BO’s transcripts….I have analyzed them for GPA and the content of the classes he took, and I can assure you that he was, at best, a D student….

He was never magna cum anything, and anyone who thought he should have been (few as they were) are now sitting on the panel that decides the recipient of the Noble Peace Prize….

I know, you’re gonna say I have no evidence, right? Well, as you can see, no evidence is required….no links, no credible sources, nothing….I SEEN ‘EM!!!

So I challenge anyone, anywhere, to prove me wrong….I hereby submit, upon my own personal study of BO’s transcripts, that he was a D student….if you happen to have evidence to the contrary (and let’s face it, only the real transcripts will do), please feel free to release same to the public square….when this happens, and if it shows I’m lying, I’ll happily retract at that time.

Fat chance.

runawayyyy on October 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM

You are asking too much of the wee lassie!

You are in danger of being declared “out of order!”

In fact this whole thread is “out of order!”

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM

“Obama graduated from HLS magna cum laude”

Same as winning the Nobel Peace prize.

crr6, go read Michelle O.’s thesis. 7th graders do better. When I get to see/read his, I’ll make a judgment.

Schadenfreude on October 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Another former Prize Winner was the “UN Peacekeeping Forces”

Not sure if it should be “UN Piece-Keeping Forces”

Filecchio on October 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Where’s Kanye West when you need him?

pleaseandthankyou on October 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Your answer contains grammatical errors. And is still based on flawed logic.

In it, you call me a moron.

OK: We both have reputations here.
I’ll keep mine, and you can keep yours.

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM

If I can educate one HotAirhead a day, I’ve done a Herculean task.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Except that Hercules had big ones.

Schadenfreude on October 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I know; I’d just like to see:

1. Logic.
2. Grammar.
3. Proofs

Then, I’d be inclined to take CRR6 seriously.

massrighty on October 9, 2009 at 2:07 PM

crr6, any thinking person should be ashamed to be awarded anything for nothing. How come you’re not?

Schadenfreude on October 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

If they’re giving him the Nobel Prize for Peace for doing nothing, shouldn’t they give him the Nobel Prize for Literature for Dreams From My Father?

Doorgunner on October 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Saying “Obama graduated from HLS magna cum laude” is not. Get the difference now?

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

yeah obama won the nobel prize too…and kerry won a purple heart…meaningless..

you’re beyond educating…you support an ideology that has cost the lives of tens of millions…and condemned countless others to a gray miserable life of hoplessness and dependency…you are either:

1) uneducated, and easily led…in your case VERY believable.

2) evil…again very believable…or

3) want to rule over others, and you think you’ll be one of the elite lording over the rest of us…

right4life on October 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM

If I can educate one HotAirhead a day, I’ve done a Herculean task.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

You won’t be doing it by passing gas and calling it “the scent of a woman.”

I just heard on PBS that there is methane on Mars. I think you are responsible for it.

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Read the real link, dumbA$$ – that’s not suspending the Constitution.

ExpressoBold on October 9, 2009 at 2:10 PM

….Yeah it is. They’re suspending constitutional rights…what else would you call it, moron?

This is the irritating thing about arguing here. You can put facts right in front of people’s faces and they’ll just close their eyes and plug their ears.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:15 PM

If I can educate one HotAirhead a day, I’ve done a Herculean task.

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

As opposed to the Sisyphusean task of attempting to educate a smug Liberal.

Doorgunner on October 9, 2009 at 2:16 PM

As opposed to the Sisyphusean task of attempting to educate a smug Liberal.

Doorgunner on October 9, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Touché!

pleaseandthankyou on October 9, 2009 at 2:18 PM

crr6 on October 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM

And engineering students say that law school is a joke.

Johan Klaus on October 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM

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