WSJ: CIA knew of Qom site before 2007 NIE
posted at 10:55 am on October 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
In 2007, the CIA published the now-notorious National Intelligence Estimate that reversed its earlier position and claimed that Iran had stopped working on nuclear weapons after the exposure of its program and the AQ Khan network. At the time, many accused the CIA of producing a political document rather than an honest assessment, attempting to derail George Bush’s efforts to rally other nations into tougher sanctions against the mullahs in Tehran. Western allies such as Britain and Germany openly mocked the findings, but the CIA insisted that they had addressed all of their latest intelligence on the subject.
Today, the Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA knew of the secret uranium-enrichment facility in Qom when it wrote that NIE (via Instapundit):
When it comes to politicized intelligence in the Bush years, the critics may finally have a point. Perhaps the work of America’s intelligence agencies was manipulated to suit the convenience of a small group of willful officials, intent on getting their way against the better judgment of their colleagues.
Except the intelligence was about Iran, not Iraq, and the manipulators weren’t conniving neocons but rather the Administration’s internal critics on the left.
That’s one way to look at last month’s revelation that Iran is building a secret second site to enrich uranium, among other emerging intelligence details. The Qom site—too small for civilian purposes but ideal for producing weapons-grade uranium—is supervised by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and was only declared to the International Atomic Energy Agency after Tehran got wind that the nuclear watchdogs knew about it.
But the more telling detail, as a recent White House “guidance paper” acknowledges, is that the U.S. has been “carefully observing and analyzing this facility for several years.” That timeline is significant, because it was less than two years ago, in December 2007, that a National Intelligence Estimate on Iran’s nuclear programs asserted with “high confidence” that Tehran had “halted its nuclear weapons program” in the fall of 2003.
This cannot be explained merely by incompetence. The facility at Qom had not been declared by Iran as part of its “peaceful” nuclear program in 2007 when the NIE was written. It is, as the Journal notes, too small for commercial purposes, but perfectly suited for military purposes, which is probably why the elite Revolutionary Guard secures it to this day. No one with this information could possibly have concluded anything except that the Iranians had hidden its military applications of uranium enrichment in Qom.
As Glenn Reynolds says, the NIE has been exposed as an effort by a handful of people at the CIA to kneecap Bush on national security. It deliberately misled Congress and the nation on the threat posed by Iran, a lie that has cost us valuable time in stopping the nuclear threat. If Iran gets the bomb, we can thank Tom Fingar and his colleagues for distracting the US long enough to allow them to do so.
Congress needs to investigate what happened with the 2007 NIE and pursue this politicization of intelligence with the same fervor that they did with the Iraq War intel a few years ago. In that case, our intel matched that of our allies, although they had different policies in how to handle Iraq. In this case, we undermined ourselves and our allies and made the world a more dangerous place.
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Looks like the Qum just hit the fan.
(with apologies to Jon Stewart)
YYZ on October 8, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Is Obama really this stupid, or is he just this cooked?
rplat on October 8, 2009 at 10:58 AM
yeah….I am sure NAZI Pelosi will open an investigation today! Right after they throw out Charlie Rangel and eliminate the Public Option….
SDarchitect on October 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Clinton moles.
Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM
This is to be scheduled after Chalie Rangel is removed from the house.
WashJeff on October 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM
I think it may be time for the CIA to fall under the UCMJ. No uniforms, no ranks, but no more hiding behind Civil Service rules, either.
Horatius on October 8, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Do you think the CIA might appreciate Bush a tad more now, after what they’ve been through with the One?
Darksean on October 8, 2009 at 11:02 AM
How is the slanting of the NIE not treason?
Crawford on October 8, 2009 at 11:03 AM
This story cannot be true.
For if it was, the actions of those NIE operatives would be one of the worst and most damaging acts of Treason in the history of the USA. If this was true, then anyone involved should face the harshest punishment that Treason laws allow.
Obama must act…. or he will be protecting traitors.
gozzak on October 8, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Don’t worry. Iran is a peaceful nation and Achmedinejad is a man of his word. Dave 742 told me so. /s
kingsjester on October 8, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Our lawmakers are too busy shoving Obamacare down our throats to care about who knew what and when vis a vis Iran nukes.
Whatever.
NebCon on October 8, 2009 at 11:04 AM
A Democratic Congress kneecap their ‘friends’? Ain’t gonna happen.
GarandFan on October 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM
This will only be looked at in 2011 if Republicans take back Congress. If that doesn’t happen it is a dead issue. I wonder if any of those involve feel any guilt for their decision?
Cindy Munford on October 8, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Other than the field agents who put themselves in harms way the CIA is full of civil servants and care only about their phoney-baloney jobs. They are just as politically corrupt as any other DC employees.
thomasaur on October 8, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Those who twisted the report may have more than American blood on their hands someday.
aikidoka on October 8, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Uhh, trick question, right? I mean you actually DO know that he is both, right?
MikeA on October 8, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Soama Obama is not going to do anything. He’s probably enjoying a good chuckle over the way like-minded traitors at the CIA put the skids under Bush.
This kind of “work” only hastens the day when America falls. Get used to it.
MrScribbler on October 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Mr. B said that we have nothing to fear from Iran and their support of Hezbollah, the so-called terrorists.
Bishop on October 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM
It’s difficult to type while in a rage. That’s the state the Thug-in-Chief and his sycophants induce for patriotic Americans every day.
MrScribbler on October 8, 2009 at 11:13 AM
So Nancy Pelosi was right that the CIA are liars?
portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Which means that the Civilian-In-Charge was totally briefed and aware of since he took office. Cast blame anywhere you like, POTUS has been aware of this for almost a year now.
Eagles Dominion on October 8, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Wow. I’m pretty cynical, but even so that’s genuinely shocking.
Whose decision will it be to investigate or not? DoJ? Congress? Please somebody call for a special investigation immediately. Those resonsible need to be lined up against a wall and shot. That’s treason.
TexasDan on October 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I imagine love and respect for Islam was the driving force for the folks involved. Your
infiltratedemploying all sorts of Islamophiles and their Muslim advisers.BL@KBIRD on October 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM
It is very hard to understand why anyone, anywhere in the CIA would hide the information about Qom….and yet they did.
That sounds like treason and the people who issued the report should be called forward to explain.
How do these people live with themselves?
Stephanie on October 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM
We have Domestic Enemies
jp on October 8, 2009 at 11:19 AM
School yard political ideology that will end up getting millions liquidated…
… the term “Treason” comes to mind.
Seven Percent Solution on October 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I wonder what Porter Goss found out or did???
jp on October 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Conservatives – do not lose heart with the mess that seems all around us at every turn. Sarah is out there and when she becomes Prez – the broom is going to be sweeping out the trash 24/7!
Cinday Blackburn on October 8, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Socialists and Communists have infiltrated all three branches of our govt. and civil service jobs are no exception. They are embedded in every part of our society and it started with their demonizing Joe McCarthy.
thomasaur on October 8, 2009 at 11:22 AM
I’m guessing that most here can not be much surprised to finally hear, and now that it’s perhaps too late, what we’ve all known all along, that the 07 NIE was cynically, politically contrived and of course bogus.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on October 8, 2009 at 11:24 AM
I figured this out over a week ago when CNN showed the satellite photos of the Qum site over the years. Clearly the CIA had these photos and a blind man could see what this was.
rockmom on October 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM
+1
move along now, nothing to see here
*sigh*
those treasonous boneheads need to pay…
cmsinaz on October 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM
We had power for 6 to 8 yrs(granted we do not have the 4th branch of Government, the MSM), and could not fix the CIA from this type of thing.
That thought is about enough to demoralize in and of itself.
jp on October 8, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I haven’t seen Limerick around in months, and the bottomless pit of anonymous new commenters makes it hard to sort through.
Anyone out there have military understanding of the capabilities of the under-development bunker buster? Qom looks like a pretty deep landscape; I wonder how deep we can penetrate with 4 successive drops?
Jaibones on October 8, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Hmm, Pelosi was right about the CIA lying!?!?!? How disturbing is this – very! Whoever was responsible for the NIE should be named and shamed. But, what concerns me more is the continued bashing and witch hunts at the CIA. But, what is worse is the politization of our national security. When did defense of the United States become a prty issue?
EliTheBean on October 8, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Whoever is responsible ought to be in prison for treason.
mbs on October 8, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Our overarching diplomatic and intelligence strategies have been compromised by foreign interventions. Seems pretty clear to me.
vinman on October 8, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Qum is a ruse for the US and Israelis.
I suspect the work is nearly complete at numerous sites uncovered.
Wise up, US. Or at least they should know this and the media should quit obsessing about Qum.
Starlink on October 8, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Deliberately falsifying intelligence reports for the President in order to kneecap him and constrain what actions he can take is treasonous. It is intentionally putting the country in harm’s way. You don’t have to agree with a president politically, but you do owe the office your best effort.
rbj on October 8, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Ok, ok, so the CIA fudged a report. You don’t think that Bush wasn’t aware the report was B.S.? The biggest problem with the whole Bush administration was that he was arrogant. He did not feel the need to communicate with the people. He did not feel he should take time, as much time as needed, and as often as needed, to go before the American people and MAKE HIS CASE! He NEVER EVER took a serious stand against the false reports in the press, he NEVER EVER took a stand against those who were clearly undermining his policies. We all just sat here all those years frustrated as can be that all this crap was going on yet little if anything beyond bloggers blogging was being done, and most Americans weren’t reading the blogs, so most were totally misinformed.
Bush should have been FAR more proactive than he was. He should have interacted with the American people, and as well as challenged very publicly and very clearly those who were lying to the public.
flyfishingdad on October 8, 2009 at 11:31 AM
These people are ‘analysts’ and when their analysis is wrong they get promoted. See Peter Principle
thomasaur on October 8, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Hmmm….If I remember right I think she emphasized that the CIA misleads Congress all the time. You think she new the fix was in and didn’t want to suggest that they lie to the president too?
Joe Caps on October 8, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Good question…
LibertarianRepublican on October 8, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Of course EVERYBODY has known about this site for years!
It’s only being ratcheted up now by the media because they are trying to con us into going to war with iran at any cost.
BTW all of you people who think that going to war with iran is a good idea:
I hope you realize that if we go to war with iran right now OUR ECONOMY WILL BE TOTALLY DESTROYED!
Don’t you realize that iran will put mines all throughout the strait of hormuz skyrocketing the price of oil and putting our fragile economy into unrecoverable ruins?
Not only will our economy be totally destroyed but it will almost certainly create World War 3 and will definitely totally unite the islamists against us: Imagine 9/11 times 100!
Wake up people!
This is a terrible idea and we need to stop President Bloodlust Obama from creating world war 3 and potentially killing millions of innocent civilians!
The US gains NOTHING from this war. The only country that will benefit will be israel.
We will be the ones whose children will die in arms over there. We will be the ones whose civilians will suffer from the sure to happen numerous terrorist attacks in retaliation. We will be the ones dragged into countless and endless wars because of this. And WE will be the ones who will suffer the disastrous effects upon on economy and will not be able to recover economically. Does anyone even realize that we are flat broke and over extended already?
MaximusConfessor on October 8, 2009 at 11:33 AM
So the CIA went from torturing detainees (or interrogating them enhanced-style) to turning on the Bush administration to….
what? Kneecap national security? I don’t recall anyone from the CIA doubting this report. Not only that but what is this nonsense about the facility being too small? Last time I checked it can house 3000 centrifuges which is 5000 smaller than Natanz. Not only that, but enriched uranium for nuclear power needs to be enriched to 5 percent while weapons grade needs to be enriched to 90 percent. Why would a smaller facility enrich uranium to a higher percent than a bigger one?
The Calibur on October 8, 2009 at 11:34 AM
You’re kidding right? You want this Congress to investigate itself?
One can hope when TPTB change in Washington that this Congress will be investigated starting with the year 2006 going forward.
moonsbreath on October 8, 2009 at 11:35 AM
A firing squad would be too good for these treasonous scumbags.
mcassill on October 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Does this mean that NANCY PELOSI is correct about the CIA misleading?
originalpechanga on October 8, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Talk about “out of touch with reality”. Go away, Joo-hater.
mcassill on October 8, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Someone should ask her about this.
Pablo on October 8, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Actually, it was treason.
progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 11:51 AM
I’m no expert, but it’s not the percentage, it’s the amount needed, I think. Bombs need a whole lot less unranium than nuclear power plants. Therefore, smaller plant = bombs, larger plan = power plant.
mbs on October 8, 2009 at 11:51 AM
I notice that you are unable to counter my main point that if we attack iran:
* WE WILL TOTALLY UNITE THE ISLAMISTS AGAINST US
* WE WILL BE BOGGED DOWN IN ENDLESS UNWINNABLE WAR
* WE WILL SUFFER FROM EXTENDED ISLAMIC TERRORISM RETALIATION FAR WORSE THAN 9/11
* OUR ECONOMY WILL BE TOTALLY DESTROYED WHEN IRAN MINES THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ AND OIL GOES UP TO $200 BARREL
* WE ARE OVEREXTENDED AND FLAT BROKE ALREADY
What is your opinion on these glaringly obvious facts?
“Duh..Who cares”
Right?
MaximusConfessor on October 8, 2009 at 11:52 AM
And, as always, let us not forget to connect the CIA-Ayers-Obama-Media-Iranians-Hollywood-Democrats-Pelosi-Reid-Durbin-International ANSWR-Union-Teachers-Academy-Code Pink-1960s-Nuclear Non-Proliferation-AntiAmerican dots.
That’s who we’re talking about here. One big happy anti-American family.
Jaibones on October 8, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Is anybody here really surprised by this? I mean, honestly…when that report first came out did anyone actually *believe* it?
Man, our enemies don’t need to do anything else to us, just let us implode from the termites who have chewed and chewed and chewed away from within our government and social fabric.
Never in my life have I so felt like I am “living in history.” It’s not unlike feeling being forcibly strapped in a roller coaster and told to hang on. You see where things are going, you can scream all you want…but you’re still strapped in the ride.
Sarjex on October 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM
another bullet for republicans in the 2010 elections….go get em
marktarheel on October 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Your points are wrong. If the arab/persian/muslim world retaliates, then we would just retake the gulf oil fields and their they would be totally defnaged. They have nothing but oil. Without it, they are insignificant primitives running around in the desert.
Further, if you think submitting to these savages is a reasonable alternative, then you really don’t understand them. It takes two to tango, but only one to force war. They are forcing war and we are going to have to fight it, whether we want to, or not. The alternative is unthinkable, really. When forced into a war, it’s best to carry it out on our terms, rather than having it unfold for us. This is just common sense.
For some reason you seem to think that a nuclear Iran will act no different than a non-nuclear Iran and that oil will be unaffected by that development. That is an odd view that doesn’t seem to take reality into account.
progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Er … I meant, “then we would just retake the gulf oil fields and they would be totally defanged”
progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I have to say that, if this is correct and those that crafted the NIE KNEW about this site and its capabilities, but neglected to put it in the NIE to the president and congress, then that is an act of treason. Purposefully misleading the president and country on a national security issue is a treasonous act.
Within every organization there are those that lean right and those that lean left. This article isn’t saying that everyone in the CIA was responsible for the NIE, but those that were leaning left against President Bush. Perhaps those that were involved with the detainees leaned right and believed what they were doing was right for the safety of the nation. Those that would deliberately withhold information from the president on a serious national security issue could NOT be doing it because they “thought it was the right thing to do for the nation”. The only reason to withhold information like that is for political and infantile reasons to “get back” at Bush.
Highlar on October 8, 2009 at 12:01 PM
That is truly stunning.
That means that someone was content with watching Iran nuke someone just so that they could score political points.
Someone needs to go to jail.
commenter on October 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM
That is just ignorant. Can 3000 tractor trailers haul more material than 8000 F150′s?
It is not the quantity but their capabilities.
barnone on October 8, 2009 at 12:06 PM
My first thought, too! The liar’s paradox strikes again. If it’s true that the CIA always lies, then when they tell you something you agree with . . . look out!
The next statement is false. The previous statement is true.
starboardhelm on October 8, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Who is “submitting” to anything?
Their beef is not with us. It is with israel.
They only hate us because we threaten to back israel and attack them.
If we say we stay out of this mess then they no longer have any problem with us.
This is so simple!
(Unless you are actually foolish enough to believe the totally disproven line that “they hate us for our freedoms”.)
The reality is they hate us because we are threatening to attack them and take over their country.
Take this away and they have no problem with us.
Let’s make peace with other countries,not give them any unecessary reason to hate us and focus on the midwest instead of the mideast all the time.
This is the only logical and reasonable course of action.
MaximusConfessor on October 8, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Channeling Ed Morrissey
This happened way back in 2007, long before Barack Obama became President. This is unimportant. Let’s move on.
Basilsbest on October 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM
WHAT!
That is totally crazy and is not going to happen.
They would not be defanged whatsoever.
That would do nothing but turn all 1 billion plus muslims against us,put them in survival mode and every single young adult islamic male would then sign up for suicide missions throughout the West.
There is no way to counter that.
MaximusConfessor on October 8, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this goes beyond politics as usual?
misterpeasea on October 8, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Umm as far as we know, the centrifuges in both facilities are the same. Therefore your point is moot. No need to drop the ignorant ad hominem right out the gate either. Actually, as far as we know, the Qom facility is an empty building.
The Calibur on October 8, 2009 at 12:13 PM
You are recommending submission. The word, “islam”, is very proud.
That is insane. You don’t seem to remember that Israel is only the “Little Satan”, or you choose to ignore that.
They hate us for lots of twisted reasons. Mostly, they just hate us because we are the strongest power on Earth and we are not islamic. Your call for “islam” – for submission – will not reduce their hate of us but whet their appetite to destroy us. You don’t understand the arab/persian/muslim cultures, at all.
“Take over their country”? LOL. Who wants that sh!thole? They know perfectly well why they are under threat of an attack. They have been inviting it.
You’re nuts.
You live in fantasy land. Logic and reason do not come into play in your analysis.
progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM
When faced with a choice between what’s in the best interest of the country and what’s in the best interest of their party, Democrats invariably choose the latter. This sort of treasonous activity will continue so long as being a Democrat, or having ever voted Democrat, isn’t by itself an automatic bar to service in any of the intelligence agencies.
Basilsbest on October 8, 2009 at 12:15 PM
That’s right. That’s why Ed posted this thread. To bury this issue.
And when Ed wrote, “Congress needs to investigate what happened with the 2007 NIE and pursue this politicization of intelligence with the same fervor that they did with the Iraq War intel a few years ago,” everybody knows that’s code for “Let’s move on.”
Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 12:17 PM
That’s what I want to know too.
petefrt on October 8, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Without the political power or money that control of the oil fields provides, or the threat of “the oil weapon” to use directly, the arab/persian/muslim world has nothing. They would have enough problems feeding themselves, let alone launching attacks throughout the world. You do understand that cutting off supply lines is usually the key? Control of the oil fields, which they stole in their forced nationalization waves, are the only sources of their power. Without them, they are finished.
progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 12:18 PM
That’s because there is no way to have a rational discussion with you.
Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 12:19 PM
I knew in my heart-of-hearts that that NIE report was a cabel of politicos trying to cast doubt on Bush and help to elect a democrat.
The people responsible for this need to be prosecuted.
This really pi**ses me off!
KickandSwimMom on October 8, 2009 at 12:21 PM
I notice that you are unable to counter my main point that if we attack iran:
* WE WILL TOTALLY UNITE THE ISLAMISTS AGAINST US
Aren’t the Islamists already like totally united against us?
* WE WILL BE BOGGED DOWN IN ENDLESS UNWINNABLE WAR
Get a new meme. That one is worn out. The only wars we’ve lost are the ones the Democrats gave up on.
* WE WILL SUFFER FROM EXTENDED ISLAMIC TERRORISM RETALIATION FAR WORSE THAN 9/11
What evidence?
* OUR ECONOMY WILL BE TOTALLY DESTROYED WHEN IRAN MINES THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ AND OIL GOES UP TO $200 BARREL
Like Iran can mine the Straights without our consent? Methinks you underestimate us.
* WE ARE OVEREXTENDED AND FLAT BROKE ALREADY
No different than any other time.
What is your opinion on these glaringly obvious facts?
They aren’t quite as glaringly obvious as you think.
misterpeasea on October 8, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Oh, and: Iran having nukes is an acceptable alternative? After we abandon the Jooooos under your plan?
Why am I not surprised?
misterpeasea on October 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Actually we do know. The published reports they have a “New Generation of Centrifuges”
And ignorant merely means you have not been informed or discovered of the facts.
barnone on October 8, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Dude! I am an Orthodox Christian(you know pretty much the only type of Christians who actually LIVE IN THE MIDDLE EAST).
YOU don’t know what’s going on over there.
The entire world(except for the Americans glued to their brainwashing TV and false news) understands that the only reason iran would build a nuke is because they are constantly threatened by israel(which HAS nukes) and by America.
Once they get a nuke, they will not be threatened any longer and the threat of an israeli/US attack on iran will cease.
Only misinformed and less than clear thinking Americans are stupid enough to think that iran actually wants to build them to use them.
Everybody knows if the iranians actually USED a nuke they would be completely destroyed by American Nukes and have no ability to shoot down all of them.
MaximusConfessor on October 8, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Dude! I am a misinformed and less than clear thinking American.
MaximumHyperboleTroll on October 8, 2009
Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM
No. If you really think that you are more misinformed than I thought.
Do you understand that the iranians are SHIA?
Do you know that the islamic terrorists are SUNNI and hate and want to detroy SHIA’ism?
You desperately need to do some independent research.
Once you do, you will see how glaringly obvious this is and you will certainly come to agree with me.
MaximusConfessor on October 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Not fooling anybody.
Nobody believes Iran wants nukes to defend against the evil Americans. Even the Iranians, who SAY they want to nuke the Joooooooos.
“Everybody knows.” Haha.
The crazy Iranian leadership suffers from apocalyptic visions. They want to be destroyed.
Go away.
misterpeasea on October 8, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Ok let me get this straight. You believe what Iran says about their nuclear program? You can’t say they have a new generation of centrifuges but that it’s for weapons because you’re taking two points of info from the same source, one you choose to believe for the sake of your argument and one you choose not to believe for the sake of your argument. Are these new generations of centrifuges as awesome as their photo shopped missiles?
The Calibur on October 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM
This is simply treason.
Heads must roll.
profitsbeard on October 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Yeah, yeah, Shia and Sunni will never work together. Except when they do. Don’t peddle the disproven lies.
misterpeasea on October 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM
I think it may be time for the CIA to fall under the UCMJ. No uniforms, no ranks, but no more hiding behind Civil Service rules, either.
Horatius on October 8, 2009 at 11:01 AM
UCMJ is entirely appropriate and agreed, it should implented immediately! As far rank, there is no complication in this regard, as intel civil servants fall under “GS” equivilents to “E” or “O” rankings in the military.
For my two cents worth, treason laws have been extensively ignored and unenforced for far too long. Traitors should be tried for treason and summarily shot in reasonably short order, all appeals (necessary, sorry) to be concluded within 6-12 months and sentence carried out.
No ifs, and, or buts.
Archimedes on October 8, 2009 at 12:36 PM
So what? I lived there, too. But that doesn’t mean anything. Those cultures have informed the whole world of their character, for millenia. Either you don’t understand those cultures or you are willfully feigning ignorance.
LOL. I’ve got news for you, suicide bombing as a preferred tactic did not arise out of the aether. It came from those cultures and is merely an individual manifestation of a larger cultural truth. Mutually assured destruction does not work with those folks. If it did, they would never have started this war with the West.
progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 12:36 PM
You think quite a bit of yourself and the infallibility of your opinions, don’t you?
AsianGirlInTights on October 8, 2009 at 12:37 PM
They NEVER said they want to nuke the jews.
You are such a liar!
The media totally manipulated that statement out of context “wipe it off the map”.
In the context he said it in he was without a doubt referring to the actual borders of the country. Watch the ful statement for yourself and see.
Again you desperately need to do independent research. You’re spouting unfactual propaganda.
MaximusConfessor on October 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM
You’re referring to his lying Islamist excuse for what it was he said, you pathetic, lying pos.
Jaibones on October 8, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Oh jeez! It’s back, the return of
FreddyMaximus ptIV! The all knowing, all seeing onmipetent one!I’m off for a far more enjoyable thread without his self-righteous, sactimonous rancor! The man is just too vile to warrant dignifying with interlocution of any kind. Have fun kids, I’m out!
Archimedes on October 8, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Heh.
Jaibones on October 8, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
— United States Constituion, Article III, Section 3
I doubt the 2007 NIE was an act of “treason.”
However, those responsible for the 2007 NIE appear to be guilty of either gross incompetence or criminal wrongdoing. They should be investigated and appropriately punished.
Unfortunately, both the Democrats in Congress and President Obama benefited politically from the 2007 NIE report. This is another reason for Obama opponents to work together toward a retaking Congress in the 2010 elections.
Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Trying obtaining a shred of common sense.
If iran obtains a nuke:
Do you honestly think they do not know that if they used it they would be totally destroyed by American nuke fire?
They don’t and never will have the missle defense system necessary to deflect thousands of nukes being rained upon them simultaneously and they know that!
The purpose of gaining a nuke is then that israel will then not attack them and they can live in peace.
The idea that iran is totally comfortable using a nuke and being COMPLETELY DESTROYED is nonsense and propaganda.
They(the Shia iranians)are NOT EVEN THE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS!
It is the SUNNI Wahabists(who hate the Shia and want to destroy them BTW)that are the terrorists!
MaximusConfessor on October 8, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Now we have to listen to Pelozi talk about how the CIA
LiedMis-Led her again?BigMike252 on October 8, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Do you honestly think that suicidal Islamists do not know that if they nuked the US they would be totally destroyed by American nuke fire?
That’s why they will never do it. Suicidal ideologues will never take the chance of getting wiped out. Just look at 9/11!
MaximumHyperboleTroll on October 8, 2009
Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Get a grip. “The Shia Iranians” are the backers of Hezbollah and the Sunni Hamas, along with Syria and the affiliated terrorist groups that Syria supports, in addition to their own state actions.
Yes, the Sunni and Shia hate each other. So what? Every tribe in the arab/persian/muslim world hates all the others. That’s how they’ve been and that’s how they are, but they ally all the time to combat common enemies, and they all hate the West more than anything.
But keep calling for submission to islam. It sounds good on you.
progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 1:02 PM
FIFY. The Iranians have already claimed improvements in centrifuge rotor materials, and that their new centrifuges are 2x more capable than the previous (P-1) version. That means that if they install the new version, 3000*Px == 6000*P1. The building (actually a tunnel) is not empty; the United States knew about the construction of the facility in 2007, but didn’t know what it was doing. The Iranians have begun moving equipment in, and it’s quite obvious what it is. That’s why they’ve owned up to it being an enrichment facility, not an “empty building” as you would put it.
unclesmrgol on October 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Just Blame it on ………..
BigMike252 on October 8, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Much like the islamists are “totally” united against Israel.
Based on what? Your desire to lose?
That’s really not saying much given the number of terrorist attacks on US soil in the last 8 years.
They tried that in 1985 and it failed then.
Overextended based on what?
My opinion based on your opinions is that you have no clue what you’re talking about. Much like Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.
jdkchem on October 8, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Now back in 2007 the WSJ reported on why this estimate
‘High Confidence’ Games
The CIA’s flip-flop on Iran is hardly reassuring.
The chose to ignore the reports from the big 4 intelligence agencies and instead focus on ones from the State Department instead.
JeffinSac on October 8, 2009 at 1:07 PM
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