Pew: Plurality opposes ObamaCare proposals by 13 points

posted at 3:35 pm on October 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

This seems significant, both for the sample type and its composition, in showing a large plurality of opposition to ObamaCare proposals in Congress.  Pew Research surveyed 1500 adults last week and found that 47% oppose the efforts to overhaul the American health-care system, while only 34% approve.  That sample included a 11-point split favoring Democrats over Republicans, 34%-23%, with 37% independents:

Regarding health care reform, many of the key provisions remain popular though support for the overall package has slipped. More people now generally oppose the health care reform proposals in Congress (47%) than favor them (34%). This represents a decline in support for health care reform since mid-September, shortly after President Obama’s nationally televised address to Congress on the issue.

The split outstrips what Gallup found in a survey conducted among 5000 adults at about the same time:

In the third quarter of this year, 48% of Americans identified politically as Democrats or said they were independent but leaned to the Democratic Party. At the same time, 42% identified as Republicans or as independents who leaned Republican. That six-point spread in leaned party affiliation is the smallest Gallup has measured since 2005.

Even with almost double the partisan split found by Gallup (and confirmed by Rasmussen), ObamaCare gets rejected by a wide margin.  Remember also that the Pew poll surveyed adults, not registered voters or likely voters, which produces a skew towards liberal policies and candidates.  In the same poll, Obama gets a 52% approval rating, which tends to argue against a conservative skew in the survey — and point out big trouble for Congress if they push through anything resembling the proposals seen in the House and Senate so far.

Interestingly, this is the same survey that Pew published earlier this week on our policy with Iran.  They just held off the results of the domestic policy questions until today.

Jim Geraghty wonders: is it time for another Obama prime-time speech?


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Jim Geraghty wonders: is it time for another Obama prime-time speech?

What, so he can change it from a plurality against to a majority against due to putting his foot in his mouth?

teke184 on October 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I’m not sanguine — the dems have the votes and the hubris to push it all thru and over a year to fix it with the gullible voters! We’s gonna get gov-mint health care!

rebuzz on October 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Yes, by all means, keep stumping, Obama. It’s doing wonders for your credibility.

John the Libertarian on October 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Waterloo baby!

elduende on October 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

The sample had 23% Republicans?

seven on October 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Dear Liar is thinking “Damn peasants don’t know what’s good for them. They are fortunate to have me as their ruler, an I will cram this down their ungrateful mouths.”

rbj on October 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Poor Barry has never really recovered from the TeaParties & the “Death Panel” stigma.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

But… but… the MSM told me that voters backed Obama on health care!

Where’s Wilson when you need some common sense…

Enoxo on October 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Try it. This turd won’t float.

JAM on October 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

I honestly don’t believe any poll matters. These douchebags are gonna pass whatever they can and then slide whatever they want in afterwards. One thing these rats have proven is that they don’t care about what us little people think. They are clearly above us and above the law.

search4truth on October 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

The Obama admininstration is going on the attack against the media. Next, the people will get a spanking!

I love how he is bringing us all together.

Meremortal on October 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Cut Barry some slack, he means well. Though there is that road to Hell and good intentions thing.

jimmy2shoes on October 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM

But will that opposition drop with the masses reading only the headlines?

“CBO: Baucus healthcare bill saves $81 billion over ten years”

publiuspen on October 8, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Obama’s next Prime Time Catch Phrase:

“Polls clearly show the vast majority of Americans who support healthcare reform support my healthcare reform plan, and I’m gonna make sure they get that reform!”

[applause........applause.......applause......]

BobMbx on October 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM

But…but…but…Bloomberg news said the American people want Obamacare.

Doughboy on October 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM

But will that opposition drop with the masses reading only the headlines?

“CBO: Baucus healthcare bill saves $81 billion over ten years”

publiuspen on October 8, 2009 at 3:43 PM

The real headline should read:

CBO: Baucus healthcare bill spends $829 billion to insure 5 million extra

Enoxo on October 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM

One of the Politico commentors posted the following song. Thought it was good for a chuckle.

Mmm mmm mmm…Barack Hussein Obama
He don’t care if you’re black or white
all cash is equal in his sight
mmm mmm mmm…Barack Hussein Obama
bi-racial so he don’t know hate
without a birth cer-ti-fi-cate
mmm mmm mmm…Barack Hussein Obama
so grab Michelle and bump your fists
you’re our elected so-cial-ist
mmm mmm mmm…Barack Hussein Obama

txag92 on October 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Harry Reid: “We have the votes.”

50 Million Seniors: “So do we.”

Bring it.

fogw on October 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Jim Geraghty wonders: is it time for another Obama prime-time speech?

Why bother? The Senate bill is going to pass it Tuesday, unconscionable spending amendments will be subsequently added, fees will be increased to astronomical heights and the last remnants of the old republic will be swept away.

See ya in the soup line, comrades.

ROCnPhilly on October 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

13 points with 11 points of skew, sounds about right. Without the skew it would be probably 20 points oppose.

…. And still the Backus bill leaves 25 million uninsured.

I can’t wait to see the looks on people’s faces when they find out what ‘free health care’ is going to cost them.

tarpon on October 8, 2009 at 3:46 PM

See ya in the soup trenches line, comrades.

ROCnPhilly on October 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

rebuzz on October 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Today’s polls showing that nothing has changed in Americans’ view of Obama’s idiotic, socialist power grab on medicine are both from left side organizations whose members almost surely all support O’Bonehead, Quip-PAC and P-U.

I’m not sure where we got the idea that all was suddenly lost, and O’BozoCare was an inevitability.

Remain calm. All is well.

Jaibones on October 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Enoxo on October 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Agree. Maybe with some qualifiers:

CBO: Baucus conceptual framework without any real specifics wastes some multiple of $829 billion to insure maybe 5 million extra while further bankrupting America

publiuspen on October 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

The Vainglorious One will book an address to Congress, on pretext for Afghanistan, then switch to ObamaCare, er KennedyCare, lest we forgot that he died.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Think of the children!!!

Jeff from WI on October 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Agree. Maybe with some qualifiers:

CBO: Baucus conceptual framework without any real specifics wastes some multiple of $829 billion to insure maybe 5 million extra while further bankrupting America

publiuspen on October 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Touche.

Enoxo on October 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Remain calm. All is well.

Jaibones on October 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro&feature=player_embedded

Wait and see!

rebuzz on October 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM

If the Dems push this through, there is going to be hell to pay.

d1carter on October 8, 2009 at 3:52 PM

So the dems push it through, probably with the assistance of Olympia Snowe. It’s “bipartisan.” What then? I say they get away with it, move on to amnesty, get away with that, move on to the bogus census, get away with that, and have a plurality of welfare dependent reliable voters ever after. I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that for a small government conservative, all is lost. America’s best days are behind her.

Rational Thought on October 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM

If the Dems push this through, there is going to be hell to pay.

d1carter on October 8, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Or we are going to pay like hell!

rebuzz on October 8, 2009 at 3:54 PM

The opposition of the American citizenry is irrelevent. O and Co. no longer believe they’ll ever get the majority to back a bill, so they’ll merely keep lying about a majority wanting it. It’s easier than getting real support and lying is what they do best.

As I mentioned earlier, FOXNews reported that Reid said the non-existent Baucus bill will be going to a vote on Tuesday. Open-wide. Here it comes.

ROCnPhilly on October 8, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Think of the children!!!

Jeff from WI on October 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Are you channeling Roman Polanski?

WashJeff on October 8, 2009 at 3:54 PM

I’m not sure where we got the idea that all was suddenly lost, and O’BozoCare was an inevitability.

Remain calm. All is well.

Jaibones on October 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM

From Bob Dole. He said so, yesterday.

Some Republicans are just as crazy as the lefties.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM

I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that for a small government conservative, all is lost. America’s best days are behind her.

Rational Thought on October 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM

That’s what I’m saying!

rebuzz on October 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Jim Geraghty wonders: is it time for another Obama prime-time speech?

Definitely go on TV Pinnochio!
Do it big boy, obviously the dumb masses who would pay for this thing don’t unnerstand how important it is to cover 47 million porch sitters and illegal aliens so do a fi-fecta again go out and sell it.

Go to MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and sell it Liar!

What the hell is Shep Smith doin on Fox? Send the gay to MSNBC, and what did Fox do with Whorealdo is he lookin for Pinnochio’s birth cert or checkin out stash in a safe somewhere wherever he’s been, keep him there!

dhunter on October 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Think of the children!!!

Jeff from WI on October 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM

I am…mine. ; )

publiuspen on October 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM

So the dems push it through, probably with the assistance of Olympia Snowe. It’s “bipartisan.” What then? I say they get away with it, move on to amnesty, get away with that, move on to the bogus census, get away with that, and have a plurality of welfare dependent reliable voters ever after. I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that for a small government conservative, all is lost. America’s best days are behind her.

Rational Thought on October 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I agree that’s the plan.

ROCnPhilly on October 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Jim Geraghty wonders: is it time for another Obama prime-time speech?

Yes, please. Obama should pre-empt American Idol, Dancing With the Stars and 60 Minutes every week through the 2012 election. I think that would do it. Thanks.

Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Maybe it’s time to call people racists again. They haven’t dragged out that gem in a while.

lorien1973 on October 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM

They should poll the congress (and include names) on how they will vote so constituents can lobby them.

nolapol on October 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM

One more Letterman visit will do it.

the_nile on October 8, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Oooh yayy!

Another prime time presser you say?! Will there be beer afterwards? Spiffy lab coats to show off before hand?

You just gotta love prime time pressers.

My fave parts are the 5 questions with the 13 minute answers, I surely do love those!

/s

ted c on October 8, 2009 at 3:58 PM

From Bob Dole. He said so, yesterday.

Some Republicans are just as crazy as the lefties.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Thankfully Bob Dole hasn’t been in the Senate for 13 years. Some of the current crop unfortunately do lean a little too far to the left, but I can’t believe the GOP is gonna go along with the Baucus or HR3200 bills. It’s political suicide.

Doughboy on October 8, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Ras. has Obama at 48-51 approve/disapprove today

and La. is very safe Red for Senate race

jp on October 8, 2009 at 3:58 PM

They will push the CBO thing so the GOP better damn well be on top of it from now. If anyone thinks insuring millions more people and having the government run it will SAVE money they are nuts and we better push that point.

Dash on October 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM

The Vainglorious One will book an address to Congress, on pretext for Afghanistan, then switch to ObamaCare, er KennedyCare, lest we forgot that he died.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM

I really believe he does not want to further fracture his party by takin a position on Afghanistan until the healthScare wool is pulled over our eyes.
Until then our patriot sons and daughter can die at his ROE and lack of effort on their behalf.
He should be tried, convicted of treason and hung!

dhunter on October 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM

lorien1973 on October 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Don’t be silly. Anyone who opposes Obama is unpatriotic. That’s the new meme.

Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM

You forgot Monday night football! that would get him the desperate housewives vote as the husbands could pay attention to the desperates all night instead of just 1/2 time!

dhunter on October 8, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Ras. has Obama at 48-51 approve/disapprove today

and La. is very safe Red for Senate race

jp on October 8, 2009 at 3:58 PM

If I were a Republican Senator, I’d hire a food taster, a remote car starter, & not walk around any uncovered windows in the next 6 months. Rahm is destined to get this thing passed.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM

wow look at that sample. safe to say Indpendents are hating this

jp on October 8, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Nobody trusts these people to get this right. That is their biggest problem.

Terrye on October 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I love how he is bringing us all together.

Meremortal on October 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Barry is the great uniter. Bless his heart. We are uniting against the ‘Won’.

Blacksmith8 on October 8, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Obama is symptomatic of the corruption in our government, both he and congress need the American people to send them a message even Obama and congress can not ignore...

doriangrey on October 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM

You forgot Monday night football! that would get him the desperate housewives vote…

dhunter on October 8, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Yes. Good idea. I believe Barry should be on TV 24/7, enlightening the world. This is our only hope for salvation.

Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Obama – “Let me be crystal clear. Any blue dog who votes for this will be a pariah in your district until you die. So, you must vote for it anyway.”

marklmail on October 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Funny how all you hear from Dems is…that the majority of Americans want this healthcare bill.

becki51758 on October 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Funny how all you hear from Dems is…that the majority of Americans want this healthcare bill.

becki51758 on October 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Obviously, if any pollster shows that a majority of Americans don’t want Obamacare, they’re lying traitors. It’s really quite simple to understand.

Loxodonta on October 8, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Those who are dooming and glooming it and apparently seeing some handwriting on the wall that I can’t see yet, I challenge you: stop looking at this problem we have in our government through your eyes. You are only human. You can only see a portion of the story. Stop talking about the problem. If you are people of faith AT ALL, stop talking about the problems and amplifying them and start PRAYING. If you can’t pray then SHUT IT and let those of us who ARE PRAYING pray without this interference from you! Things are moving. You can’t see them because you already in your minds have the deal signed sealed and delivered when it isn’t a done deal yet. The fat lady hasn’t sung. Just exercise your freedom of religion and pray. Practice the quality that makes this nation great–a little optimism–and make positive declarations (remember that word?) about the future of this country. Yes our freedoms are under attack but we are Americans. We are by nature optimists. And if you look at our movies you will see the faith we place on our ability to overcome.(here’s a hint: the little guy ALWAYS rises above the oppressor and WINS!) Pay attention to our own mythology. How many lunatics are there in government versus how many of us out here in the real world? They’re saying “yes we can/we won.” We’re saying “NO YOU CAN’T/NOT FOR LONG.” Come on people. The trigger hasn’t even been pulled yet and you’re breathing your last! Your thoughts determine your outcome. Your words are a binding contract. Think about it! Please…

Driefromseattle on October 8, 2009 at 4:28 PM

He’s gonna get the bill. This won’t be a Waterloo. Power is power, and the Democrats have no problem wielding it.

spmat on October 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM

OT – as I happened to be channel surfing I passed by CNN and they were doing Michelle 0bama’s family tree – I kid you not!

tanvec on October 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Driefromseattle on October 8, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Stuff it… If you want to pray and do nothing that’s your business, but sit down and shut up and do it and get out of the way of those of us taking action to save this great Republic God entrusted us with.

doriangrey on October 8, 2009 at 4:38 PM

He doesn’t need another prime time speech.

These asshats are going to pass this legislation, regardless of polls and any public sentiment.

If they were interested in the least about public opinion on this, they would have readdressed this whole issue by now or dropped it completely.

But what about 2010 you’d ask? Simple. The Dems don’t care. If they did, see reasoning from last paragraph.

It’s coming and pardon my French, but they are going to f*ck us at the drive-through.

catmman on October 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM

tanvec on October 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM

The NYT can’t investigate ACORN or any other Dem corruption but they sure can shake down a family tree to use as a distraction from real issues!

In First Lady’s Roots, a Complex Path From Slavery

Brat on October 8, 2009 at 4:43 PM

I’m not sanguine — the dems have the votes and the hubris to push it all thru and over a year to fix it with the gullible voters! We’s gonna get gov-mint health care!

rebuzz on October 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

When they cram this through without letting folk read it or the CBO cost it they will lose a LOT of seats next year if the republicans do not cave and pound the drum..

JIMV on October 8, 2009 at 4:45 PM

only 34% approve. That sample included a 11-point split favoring Democrats over Republicans, 34%-23%, with 37% independents:

If they want the numbers to go over 50, they are going to have to stop polling republicans altogether.

Vashta.Nerada on October 8, 2009 at 4:56 PM

With revenues falling along with viewership, I doubt the MSM will give Barry another slice of “free” prime time.

GarandFan on October 8, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Funny; two other recent polls have results different than Pew:

Latest from Gallup:

October 5, 2009
In U.S., Opposition to Healthcare Legislation Drops Modestly Support holds steady at 51%, while percentage unsure risesby Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ — Americans’ views on healthcare legislation have shifted modestly over the past three weeks, with a slight plurality (40%) now supporting the passage of a new healthcare bill, and with fewer (36%) saying they oppose a new bill. When the leanings of those without an opinion are taken into account, 51% of Americans favor or lean toward favoring a bill, while 41% oppose it or lean toward opposition — a more sizeable gap in favor than three weeks ago.

October 5, 2009
In U.S., Opposition to Healthcare Legislation Drops ModestlySupport holds steady at 51%, while percentage unsure risesby Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ — Americans’ views on healthcare legislation have shifted modestly over the past three weeks, with a slight plurality (40%) now supporting the passage of a new healthcare bill, and with fewer (36%) saying they oppose a new bill. When the leanings of those without an opinion are taken into account, 51% of Americans favor or lean toward favoring a bill, while 41% oppose it or lean toward opposition — a more sizeable gap in favor than three weeks ago.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123470/Opposition-Healthcare-Legislation-Drops-Modestly.aspx.

Latest AP poll: The latest Associated Press-GfK poll has found that opposition to Obama’s health care remake dropped dramatically in just a matter of weeks. Still, Americans remain divided over complex legislation that Democrats are advancing in Congress.

The public is split 40-40 on supporting or opposing the health care legislation, the poll found. An even split is welcome news for Democrats, a sharp improvement from September, when 49 percent of Americans said they opposed the congressional proposals and just 34 percent supported them.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&date=20091007&id=10470525.

Jimbo3 on October 8, 2009 at 4:58 PM

The supporters of Obamacare are
1)typified by the people in Detroit who are standing in line to apply for free money from Obama’s “stash.” “That’s why we voted for him…O-Ba-Ma, O-Ba-Ma!” And
2) the academics who have been brainwashed by the public school system and are now brainwashing others.

Christian Conservative on October 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Christian Conservative, it looks like there are alot of others who support the Baucus bill from the recent polls. I am very much in favor of it and I don’t fit into either of your categories.

Jimbo3 on October 8, 2009 at 5:07 PM

LOL even polling more indies than Republicans shows Obamunistcare is a loser. Reality is that 75% of the people do not want the wackos who say the Taliban are our allies running healthcare.

You cannot trust insane people. They are, after all, insane.

dogsoldier on October 8, 2009 at 5:23 PM

I hate to say it but I am glad I am older. I won’t have to watch this play out to an evil end. For a long time, I have been watching the toxic poisons of the sixties finally coalesce into this crap congress and president.

I always have respected the Office of the President, but no more. He ain’t my president and he ain’t an American President. Fascism is not about to happen. It has happened. The generation that told me “security suck” now wants a totalitarian government to give them total security. What they’ll get is communist crap. A revolution always eats its children.

Dhuka on October 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Jimbo3 on October 8, 2009 at 5:07 PM

What Baucus Bill? It’s mythical. It does not exist.

lorien1973 on October 8, 2009 at 5:46 PM