Obamateurism of the Day

posted at 8:05 am on October 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

For today’s entry, I’m coming back to the message that Barack Obama sent to India to mark Mohandas Gandhi’s birthday last week.  The Times of India’s coverage focuses on a passage that bothered me last week, and also a couple of e-mailers who pointed it out as well:

As the world celebrates International Day of non-violence, US President Barack Obama on

Thursday said America has its “roots in the India of Mahatma Gandhi.”

“His teachings and ideals, shared with Martin Luther King Jr. on his 1959 pilgrimage to India, transformed American society through our civil rights movement,” Obama said on the occasion of the birth anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi. Americans owe enormous gratitude to Gandhi, he said.

“The America of today has its roots in the India of Mahatma Gandhi and the nonviolent social action movement for Indian independence which he led,” Obama said in a statement.

This is minor but aggravating point, but it’s annoying when people try to make everyone relate to each other in false ways that serve to insult more than compliment, especially in this case — and I mean insult India, in a sense.  First, America does not have its roots in Gandhi’s India, as any fool who ever studied history could tell you, not even the “America of today.”  It has its roots in a completely different tradition, and even the civil-rights movement King led took its inspiration from American and Christian roots.  And for that matter, so did Gandhi’s.

Gandhi got at least some of his inspiration from the American writer and philosopher Henry David Thoreau, who wrote a series of essays on passive resistance before the American Civil War that were later collated into Civil Disobedience in 1866.  Gandhi wrote a detailed apologia of Thoreau’s work in 1907, crediting it perhaps too generously with ending slavery in the US, about a year after he had begun resisting the South African Boer government on behalf of people of color there.  Gandhi also credited some of his philosophical development of nonviolent resistance to the New Testament.

Obama refers to the nonviolent civil-rights movement led by Dr. Martin Luther King, but that non-violence had its roots in Christianity, not Gandhi, who never pretended to invent it in the first place.  Also, while Obama gives Gandhi credit for Dr. King’s philosophy, Dr. King was also first inspired by Thoreau in his years at Morehouse (1944-8), as he wrote in his autobiography, long before he traveled to India in 1959:

During my student days I read Henry David Thoreau’s essay On Civil Disobedience for the first time. Here, in this courageous New Englander’s refusal to pay his taxes and his choice of jail rather than support a war that would spread slavery’s territory into Mexico, I made my first contact with the theory of nonviolent resistance. Fascinated by the idea of refusing to cooperate with an evil system, I was so deeply moved that I reread the work several times.

I became convinced that noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. No other person has been more eloquent and passionate in getting this idea across than Henry David Thoreau. As a result of his writings and personal witness, we are the heirs of a legacy of creative protest. The teachings of Thoreau came alive in our civil rights movement; indeed, they are more alive than ever before. Whether expressed in a sit-in at lunch counters, a freedom ride into Mississippi, a peaceful protest in Albany, Georgia, a bus boycott in Montgomery, Alabama, these are outgrowths of Thoreau’s insistence that evil must be resisted and that no moral man can patiently adjust to injustice.

After reading that passage, how can anyone claim that King’s movement and the “America of today” had its roots in India?   Did Obama ever bother to read King’s book or study him at all?

Both Gandhi and King had the same initial inspirations: Thoreau (an American) and the New Testament.  Gandhi also had other influences, such as the Bhagavad Gita and perhaps some pursuit of Buddhist philosophy as well.

Finally, as I mentioned, this idea might tend to offend some Indian admirers of Gandhi’s nonviolent movement.  Barack Obama is currently conducting a war in Afghanistan, helping Iraq militarily, and in general using military might to pressure other countries into behaving better.  Those are good policies for the US, but it makes a mockery of the notion that the “America of today” has any kind of roots at all in Gandhi’s vision of a nonviolent India.

Update: A few people who can’t read for comprehension think I’ve said that King was not inspired at all by Gandhi.  Of course he was; so were a lot of people, because Gandhi was an inspirational figure.  But the roots of nonviolence don’t start with Gandhi, and Gandhi never claimed they did.  The America of today does not have its roots in India.

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Obama fails history ever chance he is given…


my new blog post…

doriangrey on October 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM

History must have it wrong, Ed.

Who ya gonna believe, your own lyin’ eyes, or Duh Won?

VelvetElvis on October 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM

This is after all, the best administration evahhhhhhhhh.

SHARPTOOTH on October 8, 2009 at 8:12 AM

Abolutely great contribution Ed. One of your best.

RobCon on October 8, 2009 at 8:12 AM

Now, if only Obama can find a photo with Gandhi in a white coat……

Rovin on October 8, 2009 at 8:13 AM

I am just shocked that barry would stretch the truth. Actually I’m more shocked that he didn’t say he was related to Gandhi and MLK.

oilsoc
obama is a lying sack of crap.

deadenders on October 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM

“The America of today has its roots in the India of Mahatma Gandhi and the nonviolent social action movement for Indian independence which he led,” Obama said in a statement.

What?!?!?!…????

This idiot is so not my president.

Niere on October 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Yeah, that caste system was a model for social justice alright.

sawbuck on October 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM

This is yet another example of Obama’s toehold on American history. We must assume that this is what he learned in school, because the onset of adulthood tends to reveal the fallacies of youth and show the world as it is, rather than as you wish it to be.

BackwardsBoy on October 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Obama fails history ever chance he is given…

doriangrey on October 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM

On purpose. He really does loathe America. He is Bill Ayers/Bernadine Dohrn/Michelle Obama/”Rev” Wright/Louis Farrakhan, et al.

SouthernGent on October 8, 2009 at 8:16 AM

Nepal Does the President know who is fighting with us our allies in Afghanistan right now? Gurkhas…they have a reputation as being formidable fighter. It’s odd that the Indian Embassy was targeted today. These people will kick your A$$. Non Violent? I guess it’s all about what perception the administration is trying to sell today.

But to quote Robert Gibbs this isn’t a Geography Bee….

http://www.army.mod.uk/gurkhas/7544.aspx?rating=5

Dr Evil on October 8, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Well, at least the fool didn’t talk about all the convenience store workers also inspired by Ghandi.

Guess he’ll leave that to his vice president.

TXUS on October 8, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Did Obama ever bother to read King’s book or study him at all?

He played hooky on that day instead

cmsinaz on October 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM

You’re so darned picky, Ed. Why do you demand that Obama be correct with his facts?

ladyingray on October 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Abolutely great contribution Ed. One of your best.

RobCon on October 8, 2009 at 8:12 AM

Bangup job, Ed —- this really is more than an Obamateurism, though. America has its roots in India?

BigD on October 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM

ed you owned this guy

blatantblue on October 8, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Great writeup Ed. And I think I detected a bit more passion that usual, which me likes. :)

therightscoop on October 8, 2009 at 8:22 AM

First, America does not have its roots in Gandhi’s India, as any fool who ever studied history could tell you,

Silly person, history began on January 20, 2009.

/sarc

Dear Liar really is a college sophomore.

rbj on October 8, 2009 at 8:22 AM

1. “Mahatma” is a title of respect like “reverend”, not a name. During His entire speech about Gandhi, He never actually used Gandhi’s true name, which was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

2. King didn’t learn about non-violence at the knee of Gandhi in 1959 because Gandhi was shot and killed in 1948. Maybe it was Gandhi’s ghost who talked to him.

3. “Did Obama ever bother to read King’s book or study him at all?” Can Obama read anything not projected on a piece of glass in front of a podium. There is nobody in public life today who epitomizes the term “incurious” more than Obama. This lack of intellectual firepower is also widely exhibited by everyone who works for Him, especially His speechwriters.

J in STL on October 8, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Why am I not surprised that a right wing crack pot is more knowledgeable about the origins of the American civil rights movement than our Dear Leader who pontificates daily on his own role in it.

Did Obama ever bother to read King’s book or study him at all?

Ixnay on that, he was too busy collaborating with Ayers to write Dreams Of My Father

davo on October 8, 2009 at 8:24 AM

You, Sir, are a racist.

/sarc

Mr. Bingley on October 8, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Mike Emanuel of Fox News repeated this to Imus, on Imus in the Morning on FBN.

Quote: Robert Gibbs this isn’t a Geography Bee…

Why would the leader of the free world need to be an expert in Geography:)

At least Sarah Palin could locate Russia.

Dr Evil on October 8, 2009 at 8:25 AM

The teachings of Thoreau came alive in our civil rights movement; indeed, they are more alive than ever before. Whether expressed in a sit-in at lunch counters, a freedom ride into Mississippi, a peaceful protest in Albany, Georgia, a bus boycott in Montgomery, Alabama, these are outgrowths of Thoreau’s insistence that evil must be resisted and that no moral man can patiently adjust to injustice.

Words to live by in this the I-bama era.

TXUS on October 8, 2009 at 8:26 AM

What should we expect from a guy who has said that the United States “was shaped by Islam” (perhaps after 9/11, in all fairness) and that we have benefited from the many contributions of Islam… History is His to rewrite, I suppose.

Tiberius2 on October 8, 2009 at 8:26 AM

Yeah, that caste system was a model for social justice alright.
sawbuck on October 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Spot on comment.
We must be the most racist / segregated nation of all! SO let’s work harder at that!

SnowSun on October 8, 2009 at 8:27 AM

This is minor but aggravating point, but it’s annoying when people try to make everyone relate to each other in false ways that serve to insult more than compliment, especially in this case — and I mean insult India, in a sense.

Great point, Mr. Morrissey.

myrenovations on October 8, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Good writeup Ed, but you miss where Obama is coming from.

Obama is referring to populist history that the “non-violent” protests techniques (that socialist leftists love so much) came from Gandhi. Which isn’t accurate either, he just made them work.

To point: Obama is espousing pop-leftist, mother jonesian mythology.

Woe be us.

Skywise on October 8, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Actually:

Also? Gandhi drank his own urine, his “poverty” was made possible through the generous financial contributions of wealthy suckers, and he slept with naked teenaged girls.

Why he’s not running a Hollywood studio right now, I couldn’t tell you.

PS: Thoreau wasn’t all that either.

fivefeetoffury on October 8, 2009 at 8:30 AM

Silly person, history began on January 20, 2009.

/sarc

rbj on October 8, 2009 at 8:22 AM

Actually this may be humorous but I detect a more sinister undertone.

Who cares about pesky things like historical facts when a revolution is beginning?

France, Cambodia, North Korea anyone?

Crux Australis on October 8, 2009 at 8:30 AM

“That’s not the Mahatma Gandhi I thought I knew.”
—Barry O—

mwdiver on October 8, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Tiberius2 on October 8, 2009 at 8:26 AM

Next he will tell us that Jesus was influenced by Buddhism. I have read the speculation about where Jesus went during the unrecorded years of his life. Barack Obama has the ego to co opt any historical figure to get their “influence” on him.

Remember I Berliner…

Dr Evil on October 8, 2009 at 8:31 AM

“The America of today has its roots in the India of Mahatma Gandhi and the nonviolent social action movement for Indian independence which he led,” Obama said in a statement.

Hogwash!

The America of today has one leg in quicksand that is about to consume its entire body. Where does he find this ridiculous crap?

rplat on October 8, 2009 at 8:32 AM

My take: Obama is so in love with the idea of being a “citizen of the world” that he consciously seeks roots and origins from non-American and indeed non-Western cultures as much as possible.

During the Eisenhower administration one of Ike’s officials was famously criticized for saying “What’s good for GM is good for the country.” In Obama’s case, this idea has morphed into “What’s true for me is true for the country,” complete with a 1984 style apparatus to try to make it so. Weird and creepy.

jwolf on October 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM

Did Obama ever bother to read King’s book or study him at all?

Doubtful. We have a pretty clear view of who President Obama’s inspirations were growing up, and they weren’t anything like Dr. King.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM

America owes everything to everyone else.

Except what we have to apologize for.

Which is our fault alone.

The Obama Doctrine.

profitsbeard on October 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM

The America of today has one leg in quicksand that is about to consume its entire body. Where does he find this ridiculous crap?rplat on October 8, 2009 at 8:32 AM

He has hasn’t filled his Geography Czar position yet so where does he find this ridiculous crap…best guess MSNBC or fact check dot org :)

Dr Evil on October 8, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Ed fails again.

Obviously you had no clue that Michelle Ogabe sat on Gandhi’s lap to watch Jesse Owens incredible performance during the 1936 Olympic Games, and that Ogabe’s parents were so inspired by Jesse that they immediately conceived Barack.

I have to do everything around here.

Bishop on October 8, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Will they be handing out dhotis at the Whitehouse next?

shaken on October 8, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Obama just keeps charging ahead, the wake behind him filled with spinners, apologists, liars and historians.

He either cares little about the mess he causes, or he is totally oblivious to anything except the next grandiose thought that forms in his mind and spurts out of his mouth.

Yoop on October 8, 2009 at 8:39 AM

On purpose. He really does loathe America. He is Bill Ayers/Bernadine Dohrn/Michelle Obama/”Rev” Wright/Louis Farrakhan, et al.

SouthernGent on October 8, 2009 at 8:16 AM

That is a fact that is becoming all to obvious, what makes it worse is the scum in congress facilitating his hatred for their own personal gain. We need to clean house in congress in 2010 and 2012.

doriangrey on October 8, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Since Democrats know that as long as they support the proper programs and say the right things, their gaffes will never be hung around their necks for life by the big media, it leads to a sloppiness in fact checking both big and small.

They don’t have to care about Ghandi’s life history and roots of his non-violent philosophy any more than they have to care that Dr. King visited India 11 years after Ghandi as killed. Nobody on their side in the media is going to make a big deal about it, any more than they cared about last week’s claim by Michelle Obama that she was sitting on her daddy’s lap and watching Carl Lewis at age 20, or any more than they cared about Bill Clinton seeing burning churches in Arkansas that never were, or Hillary being named after a man who wouldn’t climb Mt. Everest until she was in kindergarten.

Of course, in a world where certain radicals in the Muslim world are still angry about slights committed by “The West” half a millennium ago, not knowing or caring about the facts might have more negative consequences overseas, even if they fail to raise a blip anywhere besides the internet, talk radio and Fox News over here.

jon1979 on October 8, 2009 at 8:40 AM

“The America of today has its roots in the India of Mahatma Gandhi and the nonviolent social action movement for Indian independence which he led,” Obama said in a statement.

No mention at all of the several million deaths among both Hindus and Moslems as Gandhi’s peaceful India shattered when independence came? If that is non-violence, folks, find something to hang on to ‘cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride.

coldwarrior on October 8, 2009 at 8:43 AM

“What’s true for me is true for the country,” complete with a 1984 style apparatus to try to make it so. Weird and creepy.

jwolf on October 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM

Back when I was in grad school studying History, it became clear that the idea of “facts” in historical writing varies over time. Not a big insight, but the interesting thing is that it isn’t just one steady path of progress from “no facts” to “just the facts”. There’s progress, then regress, then more progress, then regress. When I look at how the Left has to distort things to fit its worldview (like the saying “If you want to anger a conservative, lie to him and if you want to anger a liberal, tell him the truth”), it’s clear that, at the very least, they would be OK with a period of regress, so long as it meant they’d be in power.

venividivici on October 8, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Revisionist History at it’s best. Now we know why Obama’s transcripts haven’t been released…especially his History grades.

kingsjester on October 8, 2009 at 8:44 AM

I have to do everything around here.

Bishop on October 8, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Clean up in aisle four on the Asian continent.

Yoop on October 8, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Dr. King preached non-violence, so they had to know each other, right?

Or at least both had “The Concert for Bangladesh” triple album for inspiration (“It Don’t Come Easy” “My Sweet Lord”).

I can understand the confusion…wait.

He didn’t know Confucius, too…?

tree hugging sister on October 8, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Ed, I’m having a hard time generating any outrage over this one. We can’t criticize Obama over everything. I don’t have a problem with what Obama said here.

faraway on October 8, 2009 at 8:48 AM

SNL needs to fact check this, pronto!

Cybergeezer on October 8, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Barack Hussein Obama:

“If it feels good, do it sounds good, say it.”

mmm mmm mmm …

Yoop on October 8, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Ed, I’m having a hard time generating any outrage over this one. We can’t criticize Obama over everything. I don’t have a problem with what Obama said here.

faraway on October 8, 2009 at 8:48 AM

So what you are saying is… Screw history or being factually accurate, as long as it sounds good?

doriangrey on October 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM

True Progressives always looking to the past….does anyone remember when Bill Clinton used to talk about the bridge to the 21st century?

This Administration has a difficult time talking about “American Prosperity” or “America’s BRIGHT Future” they are selling stale disjointed historical references. When the President speaks, I don’t think of Gandhi. After GM and Cash for Clunkers, I think used car salesman.

Dr Evil on October 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM

First, America does not have its roots in Gandhi’s India, as any fool who ever studied history could tell you, not even the “America of today.”

Well ,they have the “Gandhi doctrine” for the Jews..

the_nile on October 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM

generating any outrage over this one.

Not outrage, because it’s not outrageous in the classic sense. It just bolsters an ongoing pattern of engendering disgust.

tree hugging sister on October 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM

absolutely great contribution Ed. This is one of your best right ups recently.

RobCon on October 8, 2009 at 8:12 AM

I have to agree, this is one of your best so far and that’s saying something in of it self since your write ups and analysis are generally quite good.

It also points to something I notice about this President; his grasp of history is quite superficial at best (though he likes to pass himself of as a man of an un-equal historical foundation) or criminally pathetic at worst. I wish he wouldn’t comment on things with such authority.

Embarrassing.

Dritanian on October 8, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Ed, I’m having a hard time generating any outrage over this one. We can’t criticize Obama over everything. I don’t have a problem with what Obama said here.

faraway on October 8, 2009 at 8:48 AM

? He’s dissecting an intellectual wannabe, a revisionist grandeur.

the_nile on October 8, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Ed, I’m having a hard time generating any outrage over this one. We can’t criticize Obama over everything. I don’t have a problem with what Obama said here.

faraway on October 8, 2009 at 8:48 AM

So, you do not have a problem with the fact that Gandhi died 12 years prior to the visit by King, where Barack Obama claims they shared teachings and ideals?

Barack Obama: “His teachings and ideals, shared with Martin Luther King Jr. on his 1959 pilgrimage to India, transformed American society through our civil rights movement,”

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi 2 October 1869 – 30 January 1948)

Yoop on October 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Ed,

From LexisNexis News, Robert Gibbs speaking on Afghanistan…

This isn’t a Geography Bee.

Dr Evil on October 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM

It’s…it’s almost like he never took any Black History courses in college, or something…

lovingmyUSA on October 8, 2009 at 9:01 AM

In “Stride Toward Freedom” King (we’ll take his word for it, right?) writes of the first days of the Montgomery bus boycott, leadership of which was more or less thrust upon him:

“As the days unfolded, however, the inspiration of Mahatma Gandhi [note : "Mahatma"] Gandhi began to exert its influence. I had come to see early that the Christian doctrine of love operating through the Gandhian method was one of the most potent weapons available to the Negro in his struggle for freedom…in the summer of 1957 the name of Mahatma Gandhi was well known in MOntgomery. People who had never heard of the little brown saint of India were now saying her name with an air of familiarity…Christ furnished the spirit and motivation, while Ganhi furnished the method.”

OK? So Martin Frickin’ Luther King said that Gandhi was his chief “tactician” as he assumed leadership of the Civil Rights Movement which indeed shaped the America of today.

The only way to really end the embarrassment would be to do an update saying “Jeez, I blew that one, but I needed to fill some space and took a gamble that no one actually knew anything about the Movement on this blog,” but I’m not expecting that.

Bleeds Blue on October 8, 2009 at 9:01 AM

But the truth wouldn’t suit his point at the moment, why do you insist that what he says be ‘true?’ that’s not how he rolls.

WashingtonsWake on October 8, 2009 at 9:01 AM

My recommendations for thread winner

Why am I not surprised that a right wing crack pot is more knowledgeable about the origins of the American civil rights movement than our Dear Leader who pontificates daily on his own role in it?

Did Obama ever bother to read King’s book or study him at all?

Ixnay on that, he was too busy collaborating with Ayers to write Dreams Of My Father

davo on October 8, 2009 at 8:24 AM

or

America owes everything to everyone else.

Except what we have to apologize for.

Which is our fault alone.

The Obama Doctrine.

profitsbeard on October 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM

Blacksmith8 on October 8, 2009 at 9:06 AM

I seriously want to know: If Obama is supposed to be so smart, supposed to be a magna cum laude from Harvard, then why is he so dumb, historically??
One bomb on Pearl Harbor
Hirohito himself signed the Japanese surrender
Americans liberated Auschwitz
Austrain is a language
Now this

Seriously, why is he being given a pass, when we all know Bush or McCain would not?

Anyone who wants to write, with a logical answer, may do so, because quite frankly it baffles and astounds me, how dumb this man really is, when he’s penned by his supporters as one of the most intelligent men who ever lived

ThruHeavensEyez@AOL.com

ToddonCapeCod on October 8, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Hey Bleeds: Nice try, but what you quoted is not quite the same as “The America of today has its roots in the India of Mahatma Gandhi….”

And there is no need to add your personal charm stamp to MLK’s name, either.

BigD on October 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM

America does not have its roots in Gandhi’s India, as any fool who ever studied history could tell you, not even the “America of today.” It has its roots in a completely different tradition, and even the civil-rights movement King led took its inspiration from American and Christian roots.

The foundation of Obama’s “new America” is 1960s socialism, via Ann Dunham, which saw the “third world” as the vanguard of the revolution. Gandhi was the great spiritual pacifist example, but he was often mentioned in the same breath as Nasser, Sukarno, Castro and Nyerere. Via Frantz Fanon the movement led straight to the Black Panthers and the Weather Underground, then the long march through the institutions and finally the Obama presidency.

Note that this was a white marxist movement! Most of it happened after the original Civil Rights Movements. These were upper class white marxists exploiting decolonization and desegregation.

modifiedcontent on October 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM

How dare you criticize the ONE. Isn’t he a graduate of Columbia and Harvard? It is not his fault his professors were stupid, ignorant, fools. For all you good people that are saving to send your children to an ivy league school, don’t waste your money. The ivy league graduates have less education than the highschool students in most any small-to-medium town in flyover country. This country is in trouble because, as our only black supreme court justice said, all the other justices but one are from ivy league schools; they don’t even think like the rest of the country.

Old Country Boy on October 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM

I see now why none of his school records have been released. He obviously failed history.

becki51758 on October 8, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Hey Bleeds: Nice try, but what you quoted is not quite the same as “The America of today has its roots in the India of Mahatma Gandhi….”

And there is no need to add your personal charm stamp to MLK’s name, either.

BigD on October 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM

I’m sorry, but it exactly is.

Bleeds Blue on October 8, 2009 at 9:11 AM

C’mon Ed. The fact that you had to look up all that stuff on the life of Thoreau, King, and Ghandi just demonstrates that your stretching.

NickelAndDime on October 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM

I seriously want to know: If Obama is supposed to be so smart, supposed to be a magna cum laude from Harvard, then why is he so dumb, historically??

He is not dumb. In their view the 1960s was the start of “the America of today” and the end of racist, capitalist America. That will be the narrative that your children and grandchildren will learn in school.

modifiedcontent on October 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Ed:

“Obamateurism of the Day” is no longer an adequate headline for this series.

“Amateur” is too benign with its Latin root amator, meaning lover.

Perhaps the more deliberate saboteur is more appopriate.

Perhaps “Sobamateur of the Day.”

publiuspen on October 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Sucking up to the world isn’t as easy as the Won thought it was going to be. Especially when the world pays attention to what he says. Wish our media paid half the attention that they do.

I kinda like what Thoreau said about non cooperation with evil, resisting evil and that no moral man can adjust to cooperate with injustice. Sounds like good advice and some words to use for my next tea party sign.

Kissmygrits on October 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM

What is said depends totally on the audience. How he met Michelle…at school, in an office,…depends on the audience. Personal history (liberating concentration camps, marching in Selma)…depends on the audience.

Remember even he said that people PROJECT qualities onto him. I say he projects history depending on the audience.

texabama on October 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM

If this guy hasn’t embarrassed Harvard, Columbia and the Democrat party yet, nothing ever will.

Rangel and Pelosi keep trying to make him look good by comparison; and it works!

IlikedAUH2O on October 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM

But Thoreau was white, and therefore RAAAAACIST. Ghandi wasn’t white.

crazy_legs on October 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Like most of Obama’s speeches, that excerpt reads like a fudged paper that some lazy professor let slide.

Obama fudged his way through college and law school – That is so obvious now as he fudges his way through this Presidency.

Wish someone would let him graduate early and be gone.

misslizzi on October 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM

The America of today?
Huh…Just last year, during his campaign for POTUS, I distinctly recall Obama telling his minions to “GET IN THEIR FACES”
That America? THAT peaceful, non-violent way of doing things?
WTF is he talking about? He wouldn’t know an MLK,Jr if one walked up and smacked him in the head. Rev. J. Wright is NO MLK, Jr, Mr. Obama.

People were embarrassed by GWBUSH???? And proud of This man?????
Ouch, I just got a sudden headache.

bridgetown on October 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM

modifiedcontent on October 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Harvard Law has little to do with history. Or apparently any other skill. And Magna Cum Laude?

Do we even have verification of his honors levels? I don’t think so.

IlikedAUH2O on October 8, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Sucking up to the world isn’t as easy as the Won thought it was going to be. Especially when the world pays attention to what he says. Wish our media paid half the attention that they do.

Kissmygrits on October 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM

And people of other countries generally have a much better understanding of their own histories than Americans do. Americans barely know America’s history!(public school system, anyone?)
I would hope that the POTUS would spend 5 minutes on Google and stop making an ass of himself every time he talks.

bridgetown on October 8, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Did Obama ever bother to read King’s book or study him at all?

He played hooky on that day instead

cmsinaz on October 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Dr. King was a Republican so Obama pretty much just ignored him.

jimmy2shoes on October 8, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Harvard Law has little to do with history. Or apparently any other skill. And Magna Cum Laude?

My point is that they are rewriting history. They decide what will be in you and your children’s history books – most of this new view of American history is already there.

This again is not Obamateurism; conservatives just don’t get what’s going on!

modifiedcontent on October 8, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Like most of Obama’s speeches, that excerpt reads like a fudged paper that some lazy professor let slide.

Obama fudged his way through college and law school – That is so obvious now as he fudges his way through this Presidency.

Wish someone would let him graduate early and be gone.

misslizzi on October 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM

It’s birthday message, not a history lecture and not even a real policy speech. The point is not to get lost in the footnotes, it’s to connect to your audience. Underscoring a real, actual connection between the movement that made it possible for you to become president and a national hero of the nation to whom you are speaking, seems pretty obvious. Or should he have said — “Gandhi was important to you guys, but he really wasn’t that great compared to, you know, Thoreau.”

And, he graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law while editing the Law Review, so we’re pretty sure he at least didn’t fudge his way through that.

Bleeds Blue on October 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM

I seriously want to know: If Obama is supposed to be so smart, supposed to be a magna cum laude from Harvard, then why is he so dumb, historically??
One bomb on Pearl Harbor
Hirohito himself signed the Japanese surrender
Americans liberated Auschwitz
Austrain is a language
Now this

Don’t forget the one about the fifty-SEVEN United States.

sawbuck on October 8, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Gandhi:

“Hitler killed five million Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs.”

Yet when the Jews left Europe to return home…

“I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regarded as an unwarrantable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.”

So Jews should have offered themselves up to their oppressors. But Arabs get to fight back? I’m sensing a pattern here.

MLK called Americans to be more American. Gandhi called Jews not to be. period.

Screw Gandhi. He was Roman Polanski in a toga with urine on his breath, bravely insisting that others die for his grandiose theories.

Noel on October 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Remember I Berliner…

Dr Evil on October 8, 2009 at 8:31 AM

“Ich bin ein Berliner”, mit Kaffee.

Johan Klaus on October 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Doubtful. We have a pretty clear view of who President Obama’s inspirations were growing up, and they weren’t anything like Dr. King.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM

V.Lenin was inspirational in more ways than one.

Johan Klaus on October 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Bleeds Blue, give me a break.
The America of today does not have it’s roots in India. If anything he had it backwards. But, as I said yesterday, Mr. Obama is intellectually one of the laziest idiots I have ever seen. He takes a snippet of information and then twists it to suit his purpose.
No wonder we have seen nothing of his original work. It has got to be full of this kind of bs.
My 6 yo can find deeper meaning than The One.

ORconservative on October 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM

And, he graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law while editing the Law Review, so we’re pretty sure he at least didn’t fudge his way through that.

Not necessarily. He didn’t write anything the Harvard Law Review. I think the story was that he was elected as editor-in-chief because of racial politics. Groups on campus were pushing for a black editor-in-chief and Obama emerged as a compromise candidate against a more radical, real black man. Obama was “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy” (Biden) to the powers that be at Harvard.

modifiedcontent on October 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM

And, he graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law while editing the Law Review, so we’re pretty sure he at least didn’t fudge his way through that.

Bleeds Blue on October 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM

You sure on that? Seen any of his transcripts from Harvard? Occidental? Columbia? His Hawaiian High School? His grade school?

Hmm, do they teach Indian history in Kenya’s schools?

dthorny on October 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I feel sorry for the poor losers who are still trying to defend this poseur. No doubt he’s a fraud: he never gave credit to Ayers for writing his first book; his second book is amateurish at best, no college transcripts, etc.

But let me be generous and assume, for the purposes of discussion, that he’s not a complete phony, but just an intellectual feather-weight. This now can only be denied by willful ignorance, because of the frequency and egregiousness of the historical and economic blunders he routinely makes in his public presentations. Furthermore, let me overlook, for now, the fact that his speeches are little more than vapid, platitudinous, pap.

Don’t you think he owes it to his pathetic apologists (not to mention the American public at large) to at least hire someone who can write a coherent, intellectually rigorous speech for him to read off the teleprompter?

Not only is Obama a dope, he’s an arrogant dope. Maybe by some time early next year even the Obama-Krishna zombies will begin to see it.

mr.blacksheep on October 8, 2009 at 9:51 AM

It seems that this cretin believes that America has given nothing to the world but slavery and colonialism, pollution and waste, repression and inequality. It is so sad that we have elected a man to be our president who has little or no regard for American accomplishments or culture.

allstonian on October 8, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Someone should ask Biden about Gandhi and his fight for Indian independence. I’m sure we’d hear about how Biden has always supported the rights of Native Americans.

18-1 on October 8, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Doubtful. We have a pretty clear view of who President Obama’s inspirations were growing up, and they weren’t anything like Dr. King.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM

V.Lenin was inspirational in more ways than one.

Johan Klaus on October 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Mao

Ché

Castro

Hitler

Mussolini

Marx

Stalin

Alinsky

Ayers

Farrakhan

J. Wright

M. Obama

TXUS on October 8, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Aquinas and Augustine were even bigger influences on King, who explicitly invokes natural law theory in his famous letter. Of course, they weren’t Americans, but they weren’t Indian either. The idea that a law can be evil and thus disobeyed comes from natural law theory and had a long tradition before Gandhi.

Obama’s a legal scholar. One would think he’d be aware of the legal philosophy that influenced King.

Bill Ramey on October 8, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Not necessarily. He didn’t write anything the Harvard Law Review.

modifiedcontent on October 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Of course he never wrote anything at Harvard, it was Ayers.

dthorny on October 8, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Someone should ask Biden about Gandhi and his fight for Indian independence. I’m sure we’d hear about how Biden has always supported the rights of Native Americans.

18-1 on October 8, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Or the right for Cleveland’s baseball team to move to another city.

dthorny on October 8, 2009 at 9:55 AM

It’s birthday message, not a history lecture and not even a real policy speech.
Bleeds Blue on October 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM

But that’s not my point.

misslizzi on October 8, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Bleeds Blue on October 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Obama; affirmative action on steroids.

Johan Klaus on October 8, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Obama said America is not a Christian nation. This statement is part of his bid to erase America’s Christian history.

SilentWatcher on October 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Noel on October 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM, you shoulda heard what Gandhi had to say about blacks! Hated us with a passion. Thought we were less than shit. Can you say ‘R A C I S T’ and mean it? If you can, then you’re talking about Mahatma Mohandas Gandhi.

SilentWatcher on October 8, 2009 at 10:00 AM

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