New White House spin: Taliban not really an enemy, has role in Afghanistan’s future

posted at 5:14 pm on October 8, 2009 by Allahpundit

No foolin’. They’re looking for any way they can to avoid giving McChrystal the troops he says he needs to secure the country, so they’ve come up with a way out. If the people we’ve been fighting for eight years aren’t the enemy, then the country no longer needs to be secured from them, does it?

If you thought troop morale was low now, wait.

Though aides stress that the president’s final decision on any changes is still at least two weeks away, the emerging thinking suggests that he would be very unlikely to favor a large military increase of the kind being advocated by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal…

Obama’s developing strategy on the Taliban will “not tolerate their return to power,” the senior official said in an interview with The Associated Press. But the U.S. would fight only to keep the Taliban from retaking control of Afghanistan’s central government — something it is now far from being capable of — and from giving renewed sanctuary in Afghanistan to al-Qaida, the official said…

Bowing to the reality that the Taliban is too ingrained in Afghanistan’s culture to be entirely defeated, the administration is prepared, as it has been for some time, to accept some Taliban role in parts of Afghanistan, the official said. That could mean paving the way for Taliban members willing to renounce violence to participate in a central government — though there has been little receptiveness to this among the Taliban. It might even mean ceding some regions of the country to the Taliban

Obama kept returning to one question for his advisers: Who is our adversary, the official said.

In other words, rather than eat crap by forthrightly admitting he’s prepared to abandon huge swaths of the country to Islamist fascists rather than invest another 40,000 troops, he’s going to create an artificial distinction between the Taliban and Al Qaeda to let him save face by claiming he’s focused on “the real enemy.” Much like how he was focused during the campaign on “the good war” in Afghanistan rather than “the bad war” in Iraq. I wonder how long it’ll be before he decides that not everyone who’s in Al Qaeda is an enemy either — or, better yet, that AQ’s been “substantially defeated” or something, which has been the unstated thrust of all those WH-leaked pieces in the press lately about how weak Bin Laden’s gang has become. Why, I’ll bet in a year or so we’ll be told that they’re so weak that we can start pulling out of Afghanistan altogether. Things sure have improved over there since Bush was president, huh?

How this squares with what Bob Gates said just days ago about the colossal danger of giving the Taliban a propaganda victory, I have no idea. Sounds like Hillary isn’t a big fan either: According to Fox News, “A State Department spokesman said Thursday that Clinton believes the Taliban and Al Qaeda are both a threat and the U.S. is fighting the whole idea of killing in the name of religious extremism.” More from the Times, which was first out of the gate this morning with quotes from unnamed senior officials straining to distinguish AQ from our new patriotic partners in peace in Afghanistan:

Some analysts say that the Taliban and Al Qaeda have actually grown closer since the first American bombs fell on the Shomali Plain north of Kabul eight years ago Tuesday.

“The kind of separation that existed between the Taliban and Al Qaeda in 2001 really doesn’t exist anymore,” said Anthony H. Cordesman, a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who has advised General McChrystal. “You have much more ideological elements in the Taliban. In the east, they’re really mixed in with Al Qaeda.”

Frances Fragos Townsend, who was President George W. Bush’s homeland security adviser, said the two groups remained linked.

“It’s a dangerous argument to assume that the Taliban won’t revert to where they were pre-9/11 and provide Al Qaeda sanctuary,” she said. Referring to General McChrystal, she added, “If you don’t give him the troops he asked for and continue with the Predator strikes, you can kill them one at a time, but you’re not going to drain the swamp.”

A thought experiment: What if the Taliban’s leadership “promises” not to shelter Al Qaeda and in return we pull back to some sort of wide perimeter around Kabul, only to find a few months later that AQ is indeed returning to Taliban-controlled territory? What’s our move then? Give McChrystal the troops he asked for initially and try to push the Taliban out of land we’d held before? Wouldn’t that require even more troops? Beyond that, if the U.S. military cedes areas of Afghanistan to the Taliban instead of pushing them out of the country to whatever extent possible, doesn’t that practically guarantee a civil war between the Taliban and Afghan troops loyal to Kabul after we leave? At best, you’d end up with a Lebanon-type situation where the Taliban, a la Hezbollah, dominates the country but allows the central government to exist to handle state business while it plots jihad in its own secure areas. At worst, you’d end up with them launching an offensive against Kabul from their territorial bases to try to retake the capital.

My sense is that Obama’s treating this as a sort of reprise of what happened in Anbar, where the U.S. made a deal with the local insurgents that they could police their own areas and suddenly attacks dropped off to practically nothing. The one problem with that analogy: Aside from AQI and a few other outfits, most of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq was a nationalist movement, not a religious one. That’s what the White House wants you to believe about the Taliban too, but it ain’t so. So freakishly fanatic is the Taliban leadership that Bin Laden’s actually sworn religious allegiance to Mullah Omar, not the other way around. If you read nothing else that this site has linked today, read Bill Roggio’s absolute total destruction of the artificial AQ/Taliban distinction that Obama’s trying to draw. AQ is nothing more than “the tip of the jihadist spear.”

It is remarkable that anyone would argue that a Taliban safe haven in Afghanistan would not necessarily lead to an al Qaeda safe haven there given that the two currently enjoy the same safe havens in Northern Pakistan. After the two jointly established the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan in 2006, for example, it should have become painfully obvious that they had not given up on their combined territorial ambitions.

Just as in pre-9/11 Afghanistan, these safe havens are home to broad cooperation between the Taliban and al Qaeda. The Taliban hosts camps for al Qaeda’s paramilitary army, as well as al Qaeda’s external network – that is, those terrorists responsible for striking the West. By some estimates there are more than 150 training camps, of various sizes and configurations, in the tribal areas in Northwestern Pakistan.

Senior al Qaeda leaders are routinely killed at Taliban safe houses, training camps, and compounds during U.S. airstrikes. Numerous Taliban leaders, including the Haqqanis (a father and son team who are based both in eastern Afghanistan and in Pakistan’s tribal areas, as discussed below), Hakeemullah Mehsud, Mullah Nazir, Hafiz Gul Bahadar, Omar Khalid, Mullah Fazlullah, and Faqir Mohammed host al Qaeda’s leaders and foot soldiers. These Taliban commanders conduct cross-border operations in Afghanistan, and aid al Qaeda in doing so as well.

That’s a tiny portion of the most comprehensive answer to the White House spin that you’re likely to find in the blogosphere. Don’t miss it. I leave you with a clip, also via Roggio, from of all places Al Jazeera, which is also under the impression that AQ’s become an integral part of the Taliban’s machinery. But then, what would Al Jazeera know about jihadists?

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Obama focusing on al-Qaida, not Taliban (AP)
Taliban suicide attack kills 17 in Afghan capital (AP)

richardcamera on October 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Lets just take away ALL the security surrounding the WH ,DC, Congress , and ALL who live and work there. Let them live, commute and work like us regular Americans.
Then lets watch what Hussain’s says about koran-thumping virgin-lusting sharia maggots

macncheez on October 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM

I wasn’t aware that anybody wanted to die or get wounded for anybody else either.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM

There’s a difference between getting wounded for someone who’s going to make sure your sacrifice doesn’t go to waste and getting wounded for someone who’s going to piss all over it next week.

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I wasn’t aware that anybody wanted to die or get wounded for anybody else either.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM

That, my friends, is true ignorance.

Vashta.Nerada on October 8, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Acknowledging the Taliban’s deeply entrenched status in Afghanistan’s politics and culture is acknowledging reality. Whether we like it or not, they are very much going to have a role in Afghanistan’s future. This is a prudent distinction to make between the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Yes we will have to acknowledge the Taliban’s contribution to the Afghanistan culture. These girls will never appreciate the taliban’s role, and these poor children never will either. ***Video warning-14 Afghan children killed by taliban bomber.

canditaylor68 on October 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Oh, and I’d get wounded or die for my family members and friends. I suspect quite a few people would do the same.

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM

If I were a pro-American or pro-western Muslim in Iran or Afghanistan or just about anywhere the Islamists threatened my country, I know I’m not supporting the US or the west anymore.

Nope. Just can’t be trusted.

In the battle for the hearts and minds (and bodies) in the Islamic world, the radicals are winning.

Strong horse/weak horse anyone?

SteveMG on October 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM

“Though aides stress that the president’s final decision on any changes is still at least two weeks away, “

How do they know it’s two weeks away. Who the hell is in his head running the timer on his decision making clock? This is a freak show. I’m sure in their heads that statement sounds logical and reasonable but this indecisive waffle-boy is getting good Americans killed while he vascillates all the hell over the place. Somewhere someone was instructed to pencil in at the two week mark – “Egress from Afghanistan Announcement”

BrideOfRove on October 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM

What’s our move then? Give McChrystal the troops he asked for initially and try to push the Taliban out of land we’d held before? Wouldn’t that require even more troops?

Not to mention that betraying the populace is the surest way to defuse any potential support for our counterinsurgency. If we’d gone to Baghdad in 1991, we might have been less ready, but we actually would have had widespread support from the people we later betrayed. Intellectualizing your way to peace would seem to be the surest way to ensure war, and a nasty war at that.

calbear on October 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

I cannot believe we have, within eight years of the war in Afghanistan, a President who states that Taliban are not really an enemy.
Is this the Twilight Zone?

nyx on October 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

I think Obama is fooling himself if he thinks he can just walk away from this. These people will coming looking for him. They will not just let it go, whatever the US wants to do. AlQaida and the Taliban like living like this.

Terrye on October 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants; with incomes between $25,000 and $300,00. Found in large numbers between the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, covering the area from Mexico northwards to the Canadian border.

BobMbx on October 8, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Especially those who watch & listen to Rush, Glenn, Fox.

The Whine is not merely clueless, but on the other side.

rbj on October 8, 2009 at 5:49 PM

All this crap from our CIC is bringing grief to those who have lost loved ones in this war already. My friend lost her only child three years ago in Iraq, and the one thing that has kept her going was the belief that it was not in vain. Every story she reads about Obamas, weakness and lack of support for the troops is another knife to her heart. Disgusting.

sandee on October 8, 2009 at 5:49 PM

For those interested, Bill Rogio’s reporting on AQ can be found here: Long War Journal.

Warning: lefty ideologues won’t like it.

SteveMG on October 8, 2009 at 5:49 PM

I’m not going to comment because i’ll get kicked off Hot Air.

heshtesh on October 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM

JAM on October 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM
The Weekly Standard is pure propaganda. No credibility whatsoever.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:40 PM

He has writtin for the Weekly Standard and many other publication. Here’s a little background on this war correspondent. You are the one who has no credibility. Idiot.

Bill Roggio

Bill is the Managing Editor of The Long War Journal, the president of Public Multimedia Inc., a nonprofit media organization with a mission to provide original and accurate reporting and analysis of the Long War, an Adjunct Fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a Hoover Institute Media Fellow, and a contributor to the The Weekly Standard. His coverage includes the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Lebanon, and Iraq, as well as al Qaeda’s operations, tactics, and strategy.

Bill has embedded with the US Marine Corps, the US Army, the Georgian Army, the Iraqi Army, and the Iraqi police in Iraq in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008, and with the Canadian

Army in Afghanistan in 2006. His articles have been published in The Washington Times, The New York Post, The National Review, The Toronto Times, and Die Weltwoche. His photographs have been published in the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post. He also presents regularly at the US Air Force’s Contemporary Counterinsurgency Warfare School on the media and embedded reporting. Bill served as a signalman and infantryman in the US Army and the New Jersey National Guard from 1991 to 1997.

JAM on October 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Obama kept returning to one question for his advisers: Who is our adversary, the official said.

Who is our adversary? Hussain doesn’t know yet?
BTW what does Hussain mean by “our”?

macncheez on October 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Is this the Twilight Zone?

nyx on October 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

More likely it’s the gates of he11 and Obama is trying to convince everyone it’s ok to walk through them…

doriangrey on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Gob on October 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Could you please point me in the direction of a charity that allows me to pay for a soldier’s one-way ticket back to American soil? That’s something I could really get behind and I bet that being back in the United States would really beat the hell out of getting a care package in some desert sh*thole.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

No, of course not. Let me guess: You consider the New York Times with its renowned reporters like Jayson Blair reliable. Or CBS with its notoriously-accurate Dan Rather. Or CNN with Mr. Credibility Rick Sanchez. Or MSNBC with Encyclopedia Olbermann. Or maybe Reuters with its reincarnations of Norman Rockwell.

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Which network was it that had the lady reporter in the canoe during Katrina, and was acting like she was in 50 feet of water, but a person walked in front of her and she was actually only in 4″ of water?

Credibility.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Excellent post and analysis, Allah. Thank you.

What Obama is doing here is beyond despicable. He knows full well that like AQ, a Taliban’s pledge to remain non-violent or to resist AQ will have, as do all his own promises, a frickin’ expiration date.

Too, Obama, is aware that the Taliban and AQ share the common jihadist goal of annihilating all infidels, which would include us.

About the only difference between the Taliban and AQ is that the latter treat their women slightly, very slightly, better.

Perhaps the worst of all is the message that allowing any of the Taliban safe harbor will send to all our men and women in uniform.

Disgusting, this sorry excuse of a man, Obama.

TXUS on October 8, 2009 at 5:52 PM

This is hardcore.

This administration must have nads of steel. There’s no other conclusion because this new WH assertion is so preposterous its borderline The Onion.

saus on October 8, 2009 at 5:52 PM

I hate the hairy goat herders. Abominations.

And the women of Afghanistan…oh, I cannot imagine any existence more hideous.

Sure glad I’m safe and sound here with all my educated leftist feminist sisters and their fierce commitment to equality and the rights of women world-wi…or not.

tree hugging sister on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

War Deliberations in D.C. May Give Taliban Advantage in Afghanistan, Critics Say
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/08/war-deliberations-taliban-advantage-afghanistan/

Ya think???

brianpierre on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

A suicide car bomber detonated his vehicle outside the Indian Embassy in the bustling center of the Afghan capital Thursday, killing 17 people in the second major attack in the city in less than a month.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack — the second against the Indian Embassy in the past two years — and specified that the Indians were the target.

Must be all those Indian armored divisions roaming Afghanistan which caused this.

But hey, we can work with the Taliban because down deep, they are just like us.

Bishop on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Google: Obama, Taliban, speeches.

See what you find.

It’s like these words by Obama never existed.

Here’s one speech: Woodrow Wilson Center Address.

There he said:

As 9/11 showed us, the security of Afghanistan and America is shared. And today, that security is most threatened by the al Qaeda and Taliban sanctuary in the tribal regions of northwestPakistan…..There must be no safe-haven for terrorists who threaten America. We cannot fail to act because action is hard.

He didn’t mean them, did he?

SteveMG on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

The US has never been at war with Talibasia.

Midas on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Could you please point me in the direction of a charity that allows me to pay for a soldier’s one-way ticket back to American soil?

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

The problem is you’d purchase a ticket for the ENEMY soldier.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

The decision is at least two weeks away because Obama wants to get health care out of the way (if possible) first.

Priorities, man. We gotta make sure there’s health care started by 2013 before we deal with people dying today.

Daggett on October 8, 2009 at 5:54 PM

He didn’t mean them, did he?

SteveMG on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

He meant them as much as he means anything he ever says – at that moment, to say what he thinks the target audience wants/needs to hear, subject to partial or complete change (if not outright rebuttal/denial) at any moment after that.

Midas on October 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM

So what Bozo is actually saying is that the Taliban are our allies.

Obvious, since Bozo says they are not our enemies and he wants to “provide them a role in the government of Afghanistan”. Thats what you do with ALLIES.

dogsoldier on October 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM

My friend lost her only child three years ago in Iraq, and the one thing that has kept her going was the belief that it was not in vain.

Reality is a cruel mistress, I’m sorry to say. A lot of good men died in vain in Vietnam too.

His articles have been published in The Washington Times, The New York Post, The National Review, The Toronto Times, and Die Weltwoche.

Not a single credible publication. What a suprise.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM

YOU BASTARD

katy the mean old lady on October 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Up yours mr_b!

A care package is more love than your boy Turkmenbama is giveing them.

Selfish Lib. As usual, not as caring and nice as you’re *supposed* to be.

Gob on October 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I’ll bet steam is rising above the grave of Gen. Sherman.
Wars suck, always have, always will. But if you’re in one
doesn’t it make sense to do everything possible to win the
damn thing! I agree with the previous poster, I can’t gird
much longer.

hml65 on October 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Sirik Matak was a Cambodian official and former prime minister, who was offered an escape from Cambodia by the US before Cambodia’s fall in 1975. He refused, sending this letter to the ambassador:

Dear Excellency and Friend:
I thank you very sincerely for your letter and for your offer to transport me towards freedom. I cannot, alas, leave in such a cowardly fashion. As for you, and in particular for your great country, I never believed for a moment that you would have this sentiment of abandoning a people which has chosen liberty. You have refused us your protection, and we can do nothing about it. You leave, and my wish is that you and your country will find happiness under this sky. But, mark it well, that if I shall die here on the spot and in my country that I love, it is no matter, because we all are born and must die. I have only committed this mistake of believing in you [the Americans].
Please accept, Excellency and dear friend, my faithful and friendly sentiments.

The Khmer Rouge shot him in thr sotmach and left him without medical help. He took three days to die.

Imagine what the Taliban will do to Afghan Mataks.

Wethal on October 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM

mr-b, She does not think her son died in vain.Unlike you she is a true American.You make me sick. Crawl back to the hole you came from.

sandee on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Not a single credible publication. What a suprise.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Admittedly, none of them are Al Jazeera.

ICBM on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Worst. President. Ever.

skree on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

What’s it gonna take people?

How much more evidence do you need that he is intent on destroying this country from the inside out AND outside in?

He is a treasonous piece of shit and needs to be stopped!

Flyboy on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Is there any ANY patriotic American in Hussain’s regime ? Any in the demoncraptic party ? ANY?

macncheez on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Could you please point me in the direction of a charity that allows me to pay for a soldier’s one-way ticket back to American soil? That’s something I could really get behind and I bet that being back in the United States would really beat the hell out of getting a care package in some desert sh*thole.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Try asking those in Afghanistan, those who signed up in the months and years after 9/11 with the intention of fighting in an active war, what they need or want. I think you’ll find they want the damn resources they need to win and make sure the sacrifices of their friends (and yes, family) haven’t gone to waste.

The average American can’t provide those things. Only the leadership can. But we can provide a little bit of comfort and things they could really use but aren’t essential to survival.

Why don’t you take your Surrendercrat butt back to Dkos or HuffPo, where you can join in on the chorus of “screw them” when Americans end up getting killed in a war zone?

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 5:52 PM

4″ of sewage-filled water. I’d take my chances with 50 feet of clean water.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Oh, and Mr_B, you toerag, YOU’VE obviously NEVER have gotten a letter of thanks from a serving soldier.

Libs are too heartless and cheap to give ANY kind of charity!

Gob on October 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Acknowledging the Taliban’s deeply entrenched status in Afghanistan’s politics and culture is acknowledging reality. Whether we like it or not, they are very much going to have a role in Afghanistan’s future. This is a prudent distinction to make between the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Could you please point me in the direction of a charity that allows me to pay for a soldier’s one-way ticket back to American soil?

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

The problem is you’d purchase a ticket for the ENEMY soldier.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

I think that is what he wants to do.

Vashta.Nerada on October 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Not a single credible publication. What a suprise.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM

What’s your idea of a credible publication? The New York Times? CBS News? Anything with a far-left liberal perspective? I don’t think “credibility” means what you think it means, Surrendercrat.

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Gob on October 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Hopefully Obama will bring them back home where they belong. That would be the best gift our soldiers and their families could possibly get.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Must be all those Indian armored divisions roaming Afghanistan which caused this.

But hey, we can work with the Taliban because down deep, they are just like us.

Bishop on October 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

He’s going to piss off India if he leaves. Because they are next. The Taliban is going to do a low level warfare with the Indian state (with them being infidel and all that) and would be the terrorist Headquarters for South Asia if the US leaves. Not that they are not going to use their time to plot against the United States.
Pissing off our allies and kissing our enemies on the mouth.
UGH. I hate this man so much.

nyx on October 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

let him save face by claiming he’s focused on “the real enemy.”

.
That would be the Republicans.

ronsfi on October 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

A State Department spokesman said Thursday that Clinton believes the Taliban and Al Qaeda are both a threat

One hosts and fosters the other.

Our Teenager in Chief is a fool.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Here’s my link again.

http://www.soldiersangels.org

Adopt a soldier!

Gob on October 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Meanwhile, CBS news reports that Iran is stepping up its support for the Taliban.

Yeah….we can get along with the Taliban.

SteveMG on October 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Worst. President. Ever.

skree on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Understatement of the Day

nyx on October 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

New White House spin: Taliban not really an enemy, has role in Afghanistan’s future

Right!

They may not be your enemies Barry, but they’re damned sure mine. As far as I’m concerned the only role they’ll ever have anywhere in the world is as a target.

Oldnuke on October 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

that allows me to pay for a soldier’s one-way ticket back to American soil? That’s something I could really get behind and I bet that being back in the United States would really beat the hell out of getting a care package in some desert sh*thole.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Why do you think our national treasure(our heroes) go to “some desert sh*thole”? You speak for yourself only. My husband and his soldiers really appreciate those care packages from home, while they are away in some god-forsaken land serving this country and serving you. Without their VOLUNTEER SERVICE you would be drafted. I thank all of our US Service members for their dedication and service to this country. May you all be blessed in everything that you do.

canditaylor68 on October 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

4″ of sewage-filled water. I’d take my chances with 50 feet of clean water.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

4” of sewage water has you running away? Try picking up some rubber boots at Home Depot, Surrendercrat. She was a reporter with time to repair — not some resident caught by surprise.

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

You know who would have known that the Taliban is our enemy?

President Palin
President McCain
President Romney
President Thompson
President Pawlenty
President Huckabee
President Guiliani

Elections have consequences….dire consequences.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Meanwhile, CBS news reports that Iran is stepping up its support for the Taliban.

Yeah….we can get along with the Taliban.

SteveMG on October 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Well, that explains why Barry is backing off. The friend of my friend is not my enemy.

Vashta.Nerada on October 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Could you please point me in the direction of a charity that allows me to pay for a soldier’s one-way ticket back to American soil? That’s something I could really get behind and I bet that being back in the United States would really beat the hell out of getting a care package in some desert sh*thole.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Get off this website you piece of trash. Where’s the ban hammer?

Knucklehead on October 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Why don’t you take your Surrendercrat butt back to Dkos or HuffPo, where you can join in on the chorus of “screw them” when Americans end up getting killed in a war zone?

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

That is utterly offensive. I’ve never seen anyone say “screw them” about American soldiers getting killed. The common sentiment is genuine regret that another soldier has had to unnecessarily die.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Unfortunately for the thousands of American troops over there it’s looking like Afghanistan will be Obama’s Vietnam.

HEY YOU __________ OBAMA VOTERS (Like the creeps in that Detroit checks for losers line) the parents of future dead American Soldiers say THANKS!!!

God help this country…..we need to be praying for Roadblocks for this Marxists’ plans.

PappyD61 on October 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Suck on it Mr_B!

Your boy Turkmanbama is a LIAR! You believed in him and you are STILL waiting for the promised pullout of Afghanistan (“the necessary war”!)..it’s almost a year since dopes like you ruined America. You should be more angry than those too smart to believe in Turkmanbama’s horsecrap!

Gob on October 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Well, he promised transparency. Here it is. He’s forgetting one thing…the Taliban doesn’t honor the white flag of surrender. Obama’s bet is that the chickens won’t come home to roost (attack) until his time in office is over. And if he gets lucky and whacks Obama with a drone, he’s home free and a military hero for good.

Meremortal on October 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Think about the Taliban treatment of women when they ruled.

The ‘liberals’ are the most iliberal bastards on the face of the earth.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Hopefully Obama will bring them back home where they belong. That would be the best gift our soldiers and their families could possibly get.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Was your memory wiped clean on January 20, 2009, Surrendercrat? We’re fighting people over there who murdered thousands of our citizens and are actively planning to kill countless more. People didn’t sign up for the military after 9/11 because they never wanted to fight these people.

Good Lord, Surrendercrat. Arguing that people didn’t sign up to fight in Iraq is one thing. Many people signed up before that war began. But Afghanistan? The war your fellow Surrendercrats insisted was the “good war” until recently? Pathetic.

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM

WELL SAID….

You know who would have known that the Taliban is our enemy?

President Palin
President McCain
President Romney
President Thompson
President Pawlenty
President Huckabee
President Guiliani

Elections have consequences….dire consequences.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM

PappyD61 on October 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM

That’s something I could really get behind and I bet that being back in the United States would really beat the hell out of getting a care package in some desert sh*thole.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

You ignorant f*ck. What do you know?

You know nothing about serving your country, making a sacrifice, beaming from ear to ear when a loved one from home sends you a care package to let you know you are thought of and appreciated.

These young men are DEVOTED to serving their country. They don’t mind being in a desert sh*thole, they volunteered to go there. What they do mind immensely are A-holes like you and a cowardly president who doesn’t have there back.

You. Are. Scum.

fogw on October 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Who is our adversary? Hussain doesn’t know yet?
BTW what does Hussain mean by “our”?

macncheez on October 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM

“Present”!

Johan Klaus on October 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Get off this website you piece of trash. Where’s the ban hammer?

Knucklehead on October 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM

AGREED!!

bazil9 on October 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Surrender. Bastard.

ronsfi on October 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Illegals will not be covered in the healthcare bill, BUT Obama wants to make them legal, so presto chango they get coverage since they won’t be illegal anymore.

The Taliban is no longer our enemy, so no need to fight them. See how that works?

alwaysright43 on October 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

4″ of sewage-filled water. I’d take my chances with 50 feet of clean water.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Whichever one you’d be standing in would still have crap in it.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

If we’re not going to fight, bring our troops home immediately.

Special Forces Grunt on October 8, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Right after we napalm the poppy fields.

Wade on October 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

That would be the best gift our soldiers and their families could possibly get.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Buying you a one-way ticket to the front lines in Afghanistan would be a great gift to give to our soldiers and their family members. Are you game?

canditaylor68 on October 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

And, in which branch military did you serve?

Johan Klaus on October 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

That is utterly offensive. I’ve never seen anyone say “screw them” about American soldiers getting killed. The common sentiment is genuine regret that another soldier has had to unnecessarily die.
mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Uh oh…you’re about to get a few links shoved up your azz.

Bishop on October 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

That is utterly offensive. I’ve never seen anyone say “screw them” about American soldiers getting killed. The common sentiment is genuine regret that another soldier has had to unnecessarily die.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

American contractors were delivering food when they were murdered and hung from a bridge. Markos’ response? “Screw them”. And that’s just the one case where the head moron was involved.

Never mind the lefties who poured concrete onto railroad tracks and did everything possible to stop the supply routes from reaching our troops. Or those who’ve sent money to insurgents in Iraq.

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

This White House is an enemy of America. That’s the whole story.
progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Not the Whitehouse, but the Idiot Usurper® currently residing there. And his entire cabal. It may come to Tar and Feathers yet.

mrpeabody on October 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Right after we napalm the poppy fields.

Wade on October 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

And flatten the mountains on the border.

Vashta.Nerada on October 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

I can think of three women with more balls than Obama — Sarah Palin, Liz Cheney and Michele Bachmann.

Daggett on October 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Hillary was going to give Obama one of hers so they would both have 2.

Wade on October 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Oh , how will code pink take this , when they warmed up for staying.

the_nile on October 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM

I just heard a news cast that called it “the White House is taking the time to educate people on the Taliban”. Could he be correct more often before he starts educating everyone?

Cindy Munford on October 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM

canditaylor68 on October 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Thank you to your husband and you for your service to this country.

publiuspen on October 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Acorn registered Mickey Mouse,Donald Duck,Popeye,and many other characters…

If there was a Presidential election today, I’d take Mickey Mouse over the Communist in Chief….

adamsmith on October 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM

fogw on October 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM

I and others like me “have their back” more than they could ever know. We want to bring them back alive and well. You’re willing to sacrifice their lives for a political cause, because that’s what this war really is for conservatives: a wedge-issue to create discord both domestic and foreign in order to play into the hands of Republican electoral politics.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

YOU BASTARD

katy the mean old lady on October 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Your expression borders on being kind, but I know all the other adjectives you really had in mind as, I think, we all share them.

Soon, very soon, I’m afraid we’re all going to see the result of this ill- and mal-advised decision.

TXUS on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

That is utterly offensive. I’ve never seen anyone say “screw them” about American soldiers getting killed. The common sentiment is genuine regret that another soldier has had to unnecessarily die.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Why isn’t the nightly news doing the daily military dead segments anymore?

Oh yeah. Party change in the White House. They don’t want to use the Heroes who have the ultimate sacrifice against THIS President.

portlandon on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

“Present”!

Johan Klaus on October 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM

No JK, he’s not even present anymore. He’s off on some junket or stumping for some pet project while our troops are getting shafted. Sound familiar? Hoped we’d never be in this position again but like my grandpappy said. “Crap in one hand hope in the other and see which one gets full first.”

Oldnuke on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

I just heard a news cast that called it “the White House is taking the time to educate people on the Taliban”. Could he be correct more often before he starts educating everyone?

Cindy Munford on October 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM

When I’m smarter than the teacher, I don’t have to listen.

Vashta.Nerada on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

And, in which branch military did you serve?

Johan Klaus on October 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

She served in the light sneaker brigade

Wade on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Don’t forget the leftist human trash in Washington state who tried to block military supply convoys from reaching the cargo ships which would deliver the stuff to the mideast. It was Humvees, food, tents and clothing in the convoy.

Bishop on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Oh hey, look! Daily Kos morons comparing our troops to terrorists!

Oh hey, look! Daily Kos morons calling our troops “morally retarded”!

Oh hey, look! Daily Kos morons calling our troops “cowards”, “idiots”, and murderers.

But no, all the diarists are concerned with are bringing the beloved American soldier home. Uh huh. And I’m the tooth fairy.

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Turn your anger into action. Go to anysoldier.com. Read a story. Send a package or heartfelt thank you note.

publiuspen on October 8, 2009 at 6:13 PM

amerpundit on October 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

There’s a huge difference between bottom-feeding, parasitic “defense contractors” who use their domestic lobbyist influences to beat the war drum and American soldiers following orders. I share Markos’ sentiments about this particular incident.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:13 PM

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

You are offensive to those of us that have served. You are hijacking this thread. You need to be banned.

elduende on October 8, 2009 at 6:13 PM

I just heard a news cast that called it “the White House is taking the time to educate people on the Taliban”

OH goodie, more Obama in the schools and on Letterman.

Wade on October 8, 2009 at 6:14 PM

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