New White House spin: Taliban not really an enemy, has role in Afghanistan’s future

posted at 5:14 pm on October 8, 2009 by Allahpundit

No foolin’. They’re looking for any way they can to avoid giving McChrystal the troops he says he needs to secure the country, so they’ve come up with a way out. If the people we’ve been fighting for eight years aren’t the enemy, then the country no longer needs to be secured from them, does it?

If you thought troop morale was low now, wait.

Though aides stress that the president’s final decision on any changes is still at least two weeks away, the emerging thinking suggests that he would be very unlikely to favor a large military increase of the kind being advocated by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal…

Obama’s developing strategy on the Taliban will “not tolerate their return to power,” the senior official said in an interview with The Associated Press. But the U.S. would fight only to keep the Taliban from retaking control of Afghanistan’s central government — something it is now far from being capable of — and from giving renewed sanctuary in Afghanistan to al-Qaida, the official said…

Bowing to the reality that the Taliban is too ingrained in Afghanistan’s culture to be entirely defeated, the administration is prepared, as it has been for some time, to accept some Taliban role in parts of Afghanistan, the official said. That could mean paving the way for Taliban members willing to renounce violence to participate in a central government — though there has been little receptiveness to this among the Taliban. It might even mean ceding some regions of the country to the Taliban

Obama kept returning to one question for his advisers: Who is our adversary, the official said.

In other words, rather than eat crap by forthrightly admitting he’s prepared to abandon huge swaths of the country to Islamist fascists rather than invest another 40,000 troops, he’s going to create an artificial distinction between the Taliban and Al Qaeda to let him save face by claiming he’s focused on “the real enemy.” Much like how he was focused during the campaign on “the good war” in Afghanistan rather than “the bad war” in Iraq. I wonder how long it’ll be before he decides that not everyone who’s in Al Qaeda is an enemy either — or, better yet, that AQ’s been “substantially defeated” or something, which has been the unstated thrust of all those WH-leaked pieces in the press lately about how weak Bin Laden’s gang has become. Why, I’ll bet in a year or so we’ll be told that they’re so weak that we can start pulling out of Afghanistan altogether. Things sure have improved over there since Bush was president, huh?

How this squares with what Bob Gates said just days ago about the colossal danger of giving the Taliban a propaganda victory, I have no idea. Sounds like Hillary isn’t a big fan either: According to Fox News, “A State Department spokesman said Thursday that Clinton believes the Taliban and Al Qaeda are both a threat and the U.S. is fighting the whole idea of killing in the name of religious extremism.” More from the Times, which was first out of the gate this morning with quotes from unnamed senior officials straining to distinguish AQ from our new patriotic partners in peace in Afghanistan:

Some analysts say that the Taliban and Al Qaeda have actually grown closer since the first American bombs fell on the Shomali Plain north of Kabul eight years ago Tuesday.

“The kind of separation that existed between the Taliban and Al Qaeda in 2001 really doesn’t exist anymore,” said Anthony H. Cordesman, a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who has advised General McChrystal. “You have much more ideological elements in the Taliban. In the east, they’re really mixed in with Al Qaeda.”

Frances Fragos Townsend, who was President George W. Bush’s homeland security adviser, said the two groups remained linked.

“It’s a dangerous argument to assume that the Taliban won’t revert to where they were pre-9/11 and provide Al Qaeda sanctuary,” she said. Referring to General McChrystal, she added, “If you don’t give him the troops he asked for and continue with the Predator strikes, you can kill them one at a time, but you’re not going to drain the swamp.”

A thought experiment: What if the Taliban’s leadership “promises” not to shelter Al Qaeda and in return we pull back to some sort of wide perimeter around Kabul, only to find a few months later that AQ is indeed returning to Taliban-controlled territory? What’s our move then? Give McChrystal the troops he asked for initially and try to push the Taliban out of land we’d held before? Wouldn’t that require even more troops? Beyond that, if the U.S. military cedes areas of Afghanistan to the Taliban instead of pushing them out of the country to whatever extent possible, doesn’t that practically guarantee a civil war between the Taliban and Afghan troops loyal to Kabul after we leave? At best, you’d end up with a Lebanon-type situation where the Taliban, a la Hezbollah, dominates the country but allows the central government to exist to handle state business while it plots jihad in its own secure areas. At worst, you’d end up with them launching an offensive against Kabul from their territorial bases to try to retake the capital.

My sense is that Obama’s treating this as a sort of reprise of what happened in Anbar, where the U.S. made a deal with the local insurgents that they could police their own areas and suddenly attacks dropped off to practically nothing. The one problem with that analogy: Aside from AQI and a few other outfits, most of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq was a nationalist movement, not a religious one. That’s what the White House wants you to believe about the Taliban too, but it ain’t so. So freakishly fanatic is the Taliban leadership that Bin Laden’s actually sworn religious allegiance to Mullah Omar, not the other way around. If you read nothing else that this site has linked today, read Bill Roggio’s absolute total destruction of the artificial AQ/Taliban distinction that Obama’s trying to draw. AQ is nothing more than “the tip of the jihadist spear.”

It is remarkable that anyone would argue that a Taliban safe haven in Afghanistan would not necessarily lead to an al Qaeda safe haven there given that the two currently enjoy the same safe havens in Northern Pakistan. After the two jointly established the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan in 2006, for example, it should have become painfully obvious that they had not given up on their combined territorial ambitions.

Just as in pre-9/11 Afghanistan, these safe havens are home to broad cooperation between the Taliban and al Qaeda. The Taliban hosts camps for al Qaeda’s paramilitary army, as well as al Qaeda’s external network – that is, those terrorists responsible for striking the West. By some estimates there are more than 150 training camps, of various sizes and configurations, in the tribal areas in Northwestern Pakistan.

Senior al Qaeda leaders are routinely killed at Taliban safe houses, training camps, and compounds during U.S. airstrikes. Numerous Taliban leaders, including the Haqqanis (a father and son team who are based both in eastern Afghanistan and in Pakistan’s tribal areas, as discussed below), Hakeemullah Mehsud, Mullah Nazir, Hafiz Gul Bahadar, Omar Khalid, Mullah Fazlullah, and Faqir Mohammed host al Qaeda’s leaders and foot soldiers. These Taliban commanders conduct cross-border operations in Afghanistan, and aid al Qaeda in doing so as well.

That’s a tiny portion of the most comprehensive answer to the White House spin that you’re likely to find in the blogosphere. Don’t miss it. I leave you with a clip, also via Roggio, from of all places Al Jazeera, which is also under the impression that AQ’s become an integral part of the Taliban’s machinery. But then, what would Al Jazeera know about jihadists?


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I speak for millions of progressives when I say that if Obama has not taken steps to end the war in Afghanistan by the time the 2012 elections are upon us, he won’t receive my vote.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:44 PM

mr_B has spoken. I’ll notify the press. Do you want to supplement this with a press release mr_B or should I just tell that reporters that you’ll be having a press conference from your Mom’s basement?

PackerBronco on October 8, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Thanks for banning that callous Troll, AP.

kingsjester on October 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM

mr. b. we have veterans & patriots down here in redneck land. come visit.

kelley in virginia on October 8, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Quiet as it’s kept, we have more than a few here in LaLafornia also. I’m sure, as a vet with a small army of redneck buddies, I could gather a sizable welcoming committee for a mr_b. visit.

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Ummmmm howdoya figger? We are not ALL raging statist putz`es you know.

NY Conservative on October 8, 2009 at 6:53 PM

I did say “net positive”. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten. Or, move out.

BobMbx on October 8, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Enjoy the 77 virgins, Mr. B.

Another martyr for Allah, courtesy of Allah.

Thanks AP.

BobMbx on October 8, 2009 at 10:12 PM

I and others like me “have their back” more than they could ever know. We want to bring them back alive and well. ordeYou’re willing to sacrifice their lives for a political cause, because that’s what this war really is for conservatives: a wedge-issue to create discord both domestic and foreign in r to play into the hands of Republican electoral politics.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

No warrior wants you or others like you covering their back, because, in the words of one of my favorite posters, you’re a filthy lying coward.

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 9:34 PM

I’d never trust B to ‘cover MY back’. However, he could be useful walking point.

bullseye on October 8, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Is it to early to have a serious discussion about impeachment?

ray on October 8, 2009 at 10:13 PM

..just as Charles Martel knew…

right4life on October 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Charles Martel, The Hammer!

Barack Obama, The Pillow.

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 10:14 PM

No warrior wants you or others like you covering their back, because, in the words of one of my favorite posters, you’re a filthy lying coward.

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Especially since the motto of his “army” is never leave your buddy’s behind.

ray on October 8, 2009 at 10:15 PM

A thought experiment: What if the Taliban’s leadership “promises” not to shelter Al Qaeda and in return we pull back to some sort of wide perimeter around Kabul, only to find a few months later that AQ is indeed returning to Taliban-controlled territory?

Well, heck, Allah – as long as they promise, I mean pinkie swear, that they won’t shelter Al Qaeda. What could possibly go wrong?

uncivilized on October 8, 2009 at 10:15 PM

This is really twilight zone stuff.

I feel as if I were in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Dhuka on October 8, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Note to readers: If you “share Markos’s sentiment” about American contractors deserving what they get when they’re attacked and mutilated, you’re on the wrong site. Farewell, mr_B.

Allahpundit on October 8, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Thanks Allah, I have a good friend who is a contractor over in Iraq. Getting rid of Mr. Bullshit is the only thing that has made me feel good today…

lovingmyUSA on October 8, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Allah – THANKS. When I worked for the Navy I knew a contractor who blew the avionics packages on half of the Shah’s f-14′s when the Shah fell. He didn’t have to do that. He could have just bailed out and made sure he saved his own a$$. He did it to save American and allied lives.

BTW – he did make it out of Iran OK.

The leftist trolls could never begin to understand that type of character.

Thanks again!!!

bullseye on October 8, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Obama Afghan Cultural Adviser Tells General McChrystal She Doesn’t See Any Taliban-Al Qaeda Connections Through Burka: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/10/obama-afghan-cultural-adviser-tells.html

Mervis Winter on October 8, 2009 at 10:25 PM

The purpose of the military is and should only be defending the homeland. Fighting preemptive wars around the world in the name of stopping “terrorism” is a corruption of the military’s true meaning and purpose.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Hitler would have loved it if you had been calling the shots.

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Oh how soon we forget

http://www.specialoperations.com/Images_Folder/library2/achille.html
It was on October 7th

macncheez on October 8, 2009 at 9:28 PM


Four heavily armed Palestinian terrorists in October hijack the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro, carrying more than 400 passengers and crew, off Egypt. The hijackers demand that Israel free 50 Palestinian prisoners. The terrorists kill a disabled American tourist, 69-year-old Leon Klinghoffer, and throw his body overboard with his wheelchair. After a two-day drama, the hijackers surrender in exchange for a pledge of safe passage. But when an Egyptian jet tries to fly the hijackers to freedom, U.S. Navy F-14 fighters intercept it and force it to land in Sicily. The terrorists are taken into custody by Italian authorities. Counter- terrorist units from the U.S responded, including elements of Delta Force and SEAL Team Six, however the situation was resolved before an assault became necessary.

I was thinking about this the other day, when I was looking up the attacks on the US in the last 20 years…

lovingmyUSA on October 8, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Let’s take a look at a partial list of Ozero’s friends and enemies

FRIENDS and people/things to fawn over
Hugo Chavez
Bowing to the Saudi King
The Taliban
The call to prayer is the best sound ever
“rev” G-D America Wright
Billy Bomber ayers
The illegal dictator in Honduras
The “safe schools czar” – who encouraged pedophial relationships
The commie “Green jobs czar”
Trial Lawyers
Timmy “tax cheat” Gaithner and other tax cheats
Ramadan at the White House
Acorn
Suie or whatever you call those pigs

ENEMIES and /things to diss
The PM of England
Joe the plumber
John McCain’s war Injuries
The flag (Grabs his package during the anthem instead of saluting)
The Queen of England
The troops (Shopping when he learned there was no photo op)
Sarah Palin
The COnstitution as a ‘flawed document’
The coal industry
Doctors and the health industry
Christian Symbols at Notre Dame
The Prayer breakfast
Cops
The auto industry

Uhm – Anyone else getting a bit edgy here?

BTW – I was talking with my mom the other day who stays relatively informed for an octogenarian. However, she had not heard one word about the pedophilial ‘safe schools’ bozo. When the SHTF and you run into a ‘journalist’ looking for help, keep their performance in mind folks.

bullseye on October 8, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Mervis Winter on October 8, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Thanks, I keep forgetting to check out that blog–I can always count on you to remind me!

lovingmyUSA on October 8, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Charles Martel, The Hammer!

Barack Obama, The Pillow.

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 10:14 PM

IT’S PILLOW TIME; Yu cant touch dis!

Cybergeezer on October 8, 2009 at 10:42 PM

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA; AN EMBARRASSMENT OF ONE!!!!
MMMMM, MMMMMM, MMMMMMM!

Cybergeezer on October 8, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Of course, you only know about their “end game” what you heard from Bush Administration press releases, which you accept as gospel.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:33 PM

we’ve had 1,400 years of the muslim ‘end game’…and we don’t need any press releases to know what they are all about….just as Charles Martel knew…

right4life on October 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Well said.

Jan III Sobieski knew how to handle the muzzies. His Husaria broke the back of the turkish army at the siege of vienna on Sept 12 1683. Why is it that people just don’t see what is plain to see? Islam only accepts one of three things from us infidels: Death, Conversion or Complete Submission. That’s it.. Peaceful coexistance is not in their playbook.

Sobieski had dozens of other battles against the Turks and Tatars and was successful. When the Polish Husaria went into battle they went in to win. They carried an 18 foot lance, 4′ mail piercing sword, a carbine or bow, two pistols, a battle axe and a saber. The beta males in our society just wouldn’t understand that.

GWB did a great job with the war on terror in spite of being hamstrung by a fourth estate/fifth column and bozos in congress who are as clueless as moss on a rock.

Now we have ozero saying that our sworn enemies are our friends.. Cue the twiglight zone music….

bullseye on October 8, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Note to readers: If you “share Markos’s sentiment” about American contractors deserving what they get when they’re attacked and mutilated, you’re on the wrong site. Farewell, mr_B.

Allahpundit on October 8, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Ain’t been posting on HA long enough to have the privilege of calling for the ban hammer, which I know HA doesn’t take lightly. This is a first for me.

Having said that, let me say this: Right the f*ck on!

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 10:50 PM

If the Taliban have a role in Afghanistan’s future then we have none, and vice versa. If that is his position then it’s time to cut our loses and bring the boys home.

DFCtomm on October 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM

I’d never trust B to ‘cover MY back’. However, he could be useful walking point.

bullseye on October 8, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Yeah, that would work real well! I can see it now……

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Especially since the motto of his “army” is never leave your buddy’s behind.

ray on October 8, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Seriously, LMAO!

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 11:05 PM

This will go down in history as the day Obama surrendered

J_Crater on October 8, 2009 at 11:13 PM

“If the Taliban have a role in Afghanistan’s future then we have none, and vice versa. If that is his position then it’s time to cut our loses and bring the boys home.” — DFCtomm on October 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Maybe. Except that AQ would then have a base in which to regroup and reorganize under Taliban protection and we’d be going back in as soon as they got their sh*t together enough to attack again. Obama’s equivocating about this is not good news. But then, he won’t be around to face the inevitable consequences when the attack comes.

I hope someone is starting to keep a paper trail of possible connections between this man’s personal finances and the Middle East.

Eastview on October 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM

General Barack (Patton) Obama “You American sons of bitches will die for your country to save some Taliban patriot from dying for his.”

Nancy Pelosi “Now THERE’s a general we can believe in.”

MaiDee on October 8, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Ain’t been posting on HA long enough to have the privilege of calling for the ban hammer, which I know HA doesn’t take lightly. This is a first for me.

Having said that, let me say this: Right the f*ck on!

Gang-of-One on October 8, 2009 at 10:50 PM

I haven’t posted in a while because life has caused an interruption in reading blogs, but I’ve been around here for a long time – since the beginning, actually – and what I’ve noticed is that AP will allow reasonable disagreements. If someone is out of line consistently, he/she gets the hammer. Good riddance, mr_b.

Please pray for my nephews – one who has returned from two tours in Iraq, and the other, only 19 years old, who will be going on his second tour in Afghanistan. They are my heros. Always. Having a Commander in Chief who sticks his finger in the air to feel the direction of the political wind, chills me to the bone.

pullingmyhairout on October 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM

As for those pesky Texans, send in the bombers.

Obama knows who the enemy is, its just too bad his are very different than the enemy of everyone else in the US.

Rbastid on October 8, 2009 at 11:57 PM

This pathetic line has already been put forth and slapped back by the Taliban:

U.S. reconciliation offer “lunatic”: Taliban spokesman
Wed Apr 1, 2009 5:51pm EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5303ED20090401?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

KABUL (Reuters) – Taliban insurgents reject a U.S. offer of “honorable reconciliation,” a top spokesman said on Wednesday, calling it a “lunatic idea” and saying the only way to end the war was to withdraw foreign troops.

“This matter was also raised in the past,” said Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, referring to comments last month by Obama, who spoke of reaching out to moderate Taliban.

“They have to go and find the moderate Taliban, their leader and speak to them. This is a lunatic idea,” Mujahid said by telephone from an unknown location.

Why would the Taliban make any concessions or respond to this obvious capitulation from the US when all the signs from Obama are “we are looking for an exit strategy”.

The Taliban know Obama wants to cut and run.They have been getting these signals for months and the increased attacks are a good indicator of this.

Obama and his administration are still out there playing word games like “WE ARE ONLY GOING TO SEND ENOUGH TROOPS TO FIGHT “AL-QAEDA”.
Knowing that most of al-qaeda has been run back into Pakistan,this is a slick way of saying that they are not going to send enough troops to win(fight and defeat the Taliban).
Combine this with the ignorant statements of the Taliban not being dangerous or the enemy and all of a sudden we don’t need many troops.
Dam#, who would have thought that winning in Afghanistan was so easy.
We can just pretend that the jihadist that have been killing our Soldiers and civilians by the thousands are “not dangerous anymore”.
It must be a load of fun being a liberal.All you have to do is just ignore facts and reality,then just make up sh!t to fit the outcome that you want to have happen.

How progressive!!!!

Baxter Greene on October 9, 2009 at 12:13 AM

pullingmyhairout on October 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM

I am sorry for what I know you and their mother must be going through right now.
May God protect and keep them from harm, and bring them safely back to their families.

lovingmyUSA on October 9, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Talibanization of the War.

What a novel idea. Along the lines of the lunatics running the asylum.

Perhaps we can also have child molesters run day care centers. The NAMBLA Czar would be down with that I’m sure.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 9, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Is it to early to have a serious discussion about impeachment?

ray on October 8, 2009 at 10:13 PM

I have mentioned this crap for several months now…somebody here mentioned the constitutional violations Dear Leader can be accused of. That does not include the birthers. Like Glenn Beck says, it depends on “We The People”. Who will be brave enough to bring this forth? Only in 2010 can this be done?

Thank God Track is back. Big relief for momma Sarah.

ProudPalinFan on October 9, 2009 at 12:41 AM

Please pray for my nephews – one who has returned from two tours in Iraq, and the other, only 19 years old, who will be going on his second tour in Afghanistan. They are my heros. Always. Having a Commander in Chief who sticks his finger in the air to feel the direction of the political wind, chills me to the bone.

pullingmyhairout on October 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM

They are America’s heros too! I pray that all our military men and woman remain safe while their Commander in Chief begins his desertion of them. Of all Obama’s faults it is his roguery as CinC that “chills me to the bone” the most. God bless you and yours!

Gang-of-One on October 9, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Will type this again, considering our troops need all the prayers they can get; if anybody is gonna send stuff their way, please send medals/prayer cards/anything related to St. Jeanne D’Arc.

Here we go again, after this, goodnight America.

PRAYER TO SAINT JOAN OF ARC

In the face of your enemies,
in the face of harassment,
ridicule, and doubt, you held firm
in your faith.
Even in your abandonment, alone
and without friends, you held firm
in your faith.
Even as you faced
your own mortality, you held firm
in your faith.
I pray that I may be as bold
in my beliefs as you, St. Joan.
I ask that you ride alongside me
in my own battles.
Help me be mindful that what is
worthwhile can be won when I persist.
Help me hold firm in my faith.
Help me believe in my ability
to act as well and wisely. Amen.

ProudPalinFan on October 9, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Perhaps we can also have child molesters run day care centers. The NAMBLA Czar would be down with that I’m sure.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 9, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Why not, the ‘Safe Schools Czar’ is a dirtbag who actively encouraged a pedophial, statutory rape relationship between one of his 15 year old students and an older man.

Plus we have a tax cheat in charge of the treasury and another tax cheat in the house writing our tax code.

bullseye on October 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM

bullseye on October 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM

Not to mention the new auto czar is a union thug….

lovingmyUSA on October 9, 2009 at 1:32 AM

All the crap he’s done to harm this country can at least be written off to ideology but if he abandons the fight in Afghanistan then that is cowardice, plain and simple.

Yakko77 on October 9, 2009 at 1:51 AM

All the crap he’s done to harm this country can at least be written off to ideology but if he abandons the fight in Afghanistan then that is cowardice, plain and simple.

Yakko77 on October 9, 2009 at 1:51 AM

Its not ideology, but his loyalty that always worries me
Note the date and time :

Late to this discussion but let me say this to the brave General:

When you hear the Azaan from the Capitol this Jumma, you will get your answers,

until then…

macncheez on September 23, 2009 at 12:52 AM

macncheez on October 9, 2009 at 2:32 AM

The Nobel committee just awarded O the Peace Prize.

Can someone remind me what he did to earn it?

Beaglemom on October 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM

The Nobel committee just awarded O the Peace Prize.

Can someone remind me what he did to earn it?

Beaglemom on October 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM

Tell me you’re kidding. C’mon tell me you are kidding. Jack and Squat is pulling off an Al Gore? Michelle Malking is perhaps skiing in CO just like my neighbor’s daughter and Tom Cruise? Am I melting here?

Did he accomplish peace ANYWHERE?

ProudPalinFan on October 9, 2009 at 7:04 AM

Terrorist Yasser Arafat was awarded the same “piss” prize in 1994. I bet at the time many considered this as the very bottom for the Nobel institution… not the case, it seems.

zerobama has the potential to kill many, many more people than Arafish.

mmm mmm mmm mmm.

Rookie on October 9, 2009 at 7:12 AM

No, I’m not kidding

Beaglemom on October 9, 2009 at 7:21 AM

Look on the bright side. After we turn tail and flee from Afghanistan, the President’s Justice Department can prosecute our troops as war criminals along with CIA employees.

olesparkie on October 9, 2009 at 9:55 AM

I speak for millions of progressives when I say that if Obama has not taken steps to end the war in Afghanistan by the time the 2012 elections are upon us, he won’t receive my vote.

mr_B on October 8, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Riiiiiiiiight. Obama could reinstate the draft and send 100,000 to Afghanistan, and you and your fellow travelers will still vote for him in 2012.

olesparkie on October 9, 2009 at 10:10 AM

So, the Taliban is not really an enemy? Then, Obama is not really a commander-in-chief.

BottomLine5 on October 9, 2009 at 12:06 PM

The President who has an Education czar that hangs with NAMBLA and who coached a 16 year old male to just go with it when being sexually assaulted by a 44 yr. old male, the party who is against spankin kids as a form of punishment, some of whose members think anything goes sexually,

endorses the Taliban a group of people who would whip a young girl within inches of her life with a leather whip for being raped , who endorse wife beating, who endorse killing of wives for adultry, who kill gays

Oooohhh how tolerant of the Dimwit (s)

Do they realize if the Taeeebon were to over America the Dimwitted perverts will become an endangered species. I know not likely to happen but still the taleeebon would have great fun with Pinnochio’s education czaritation!

dhunter on October 9, 2009 at 12:58 PM

More evidence Obama’s a pathetic coward.

TrickyDick on October 9, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Well yea Trickey,

I’m very late to this thread…in part, because anybody who knows knows…talleybun and al keeda are, for all practical purpussis, synonymous…There’s no split…what a joke….

jerrytbg on October 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

I TOLD YA

veteranoutrage on October 9, 2009 at 5:53 PM

The question has to be asked:

Can Jug-eared Jesus really be this short-sighted and naive?

Or ….what?

Definitely Nobel Peace Prize material.

Do the idiots on the Nobel selection committee really want America to give up the fight against Radical Islam? If so, they are laying their own throats bare, literally.

hillbillyjim on October 9, 2009 at 11:26 PM

The military was pro-Hillary in the primary, for good reason.

They are screwed right now.

AnninCA on October 10, 2009 at 10:11 PM

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