Socialist millionaire: People who default on their mortgages are like rape victims or something
posted at 4:14 pm on October 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
Only now, after watching this, do I grasp the full horror of what Polanski did to that little girl. Why, he treated her like some common loan applicant, didn’t he?
Seriously, what is it with media liberals minimizing rape lately? First the Polanski spirit squad rallies to defend a child molester, replete with Obama cheerleader Tom Shales hinting that 13-year-olds should be fair game in Hollywood. Now here comes this guy treating subprime borrowers who took out mortgages they couldn’t afford like they’re Jodie Foster being slammed down on the pinball machine in “The Accused.” My memory of commercial law is hazy but signing your name to a contract does usually imply consent, no? Or does he mean to suggest that the poor, as eternal victims of the great bourgeois conspiracy, can never meaningfully consent? That would fit better with the socialist view of the lower class as essentially children, who can’t fairly be held to the same standard of personal responsibility as middle-class “adults.”
And yet, I can’t stay mad at him. For one thing, his willingness to resort to nutty rhetoric like this ensures that he’ll remain a fringe figure. And for another, check out the exchange he had with Hannity about Jesus and Al Qaeda. Sean dodges the question with a joke but that doesn’t mean it’s not a good question. Click the image to watch.
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Leader of the Democrat party.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Obambi’s new Food Czar.
Percy_Peabody on October 7, 2009 at 4:17 PM
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 4:17 PM
huh….but at least it’s not like rape rape. Bank rape, home rape..
Thoughts, Whoopie?
BobMbx on October 7, 2009 at 4:17 PM
It wasn’t a loan-loan, so it’s ok.
I’m not mad at Moore. Anger takes energy and he’s just not worth it.
rbj on October 7, 2009 at 4:17 PM
They didn’t care about it to begin with. Crimes to them are not crimes unless conservatives commit them.
MadisonConservative on October 7, 2009 at 4:18 PM
It’s not a good question because Al Quaeda wasn’t the kind of enemy Jesus was referring to. There’s a reason why the greatest love is giving your life for your brother, not your enemy.
Darth Executor on October 7, 2009 at 4:18 PM
President Michael Moore.
Let that sink in and burn.
portlandon on October 7, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Mikey never met a meal he didn’t like…..and immediately supersize.
GarandFan on October 7, 2009 at 4:19 PM
There’s an ACORN joke here somewhere but I can’t quite figure it out…
gwelf on October 7, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Idiot… Guaranteed a seat at the next Democrat Convention RIGHT NEXT TO Jimmy Carter… Pete and re-Pete…
Khun Joe on October 7, 2009 at 4:20 PM
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/07/breaking-senate-gop-folding-over-health-care-reform/
OT: GOP starting to fold on Obamacare?
Asher on October 7, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I’d rather live in Venezuela.
Pcoop on October 7, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Tub o’ goo.
crazy_legs on October 7, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Exactly. Jesus’ enemy was evil. Al Queda, although evil themselves, is a symptom of the Evil Jesus fought.
uknowmorethanme on October 7, 2009 at 4:23 PM
In honor of George Steinbrenner, one of the greatest capitalists of last quarter-century:
Michael Moore is a fat toad.
jimmy the notable on October 7, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Lol ahahaha
I just got weird looks from my classmates
eater
lol
blatantblue on October 7, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Allowing evil people to do evil things is not love. It’s another form of evil.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:24 PM
AP at his best and at his worse in this post.
CarolynM on October 7, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Ever the cubby chaser.
Terry_Dyne on October 7, 2009 at 4:25 PM
liberals to moore: thanks mike, but we got this.
what is it with 30 republican senators minimizing rape lately?
sesquipedalian on October 7, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Sub-prime loan delinquents & defaulters are like women who flirt and hook up with men and when men don’t buy them expensive gifts , they cry “rape”
macncheez on October 7, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Ugh. I hate when people to simplify the Bible to one verse. It is asinine. Jesus said to love your enemy but NO where in the Bible does it say not use self-defense and defeat people who are trying to KILL YOU! God oftentimes took revenge on Israel’s enemies. I really dislike when people try to simply the Bible.
And no Allahpundit it wasn’t a good question.
terryannonline on October 7, 2009 at 4:26 PM
If Michael Moore truly believes the nonsense that drools from his mouth, his movies would be free.
How about it Micaheal, care to walk the walk?
He has zero credibility.
rukiddingme on October 7, 2009 at 4:28 PM
I also love Al Quaida
In the, uh, Nietzschean sense…
like the wolf loves the sheep! and loves to rip out their throats!
max1 on October 7, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Libs look at all contracts as they see the Constitution – as living documents. The written words mean nothing to them. Part and parcel of viewing documents as living documents without any meaning, other than what someone decides to apply to them, today, signatures are not binding in any way, as they are as much “alive” as the document, itself. This means that ones signature is only binding on a given day, if that binding helps the piberal cause in some way.
This is not news and is not too difficult to see as one of the consequences of the liberals’ desire for a Rule of Man and the denigration of any attempts at a Rule of Law. Why are you surprised?
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Micheal Moore & Meghan Mc Cain on the SAME day??? I remember the “Where’s The Beef”commercials,but today it’s “Where’s The Pork”?, and it’s HERE!
Jeff from WI on October 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Moore’s interviews are nothing more than a series of straw men, questions answered with questions, mockings, really, really bad analogies, and straight up lies.
It is the equivalent of trying to catch a greased pig. (Pun intended.)
Hannity was not up to the challenge. He let his slip through his fingers.
Daddy-O on October 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Moore wasn’t so much minimizing rape as he was exaggerating the plight of loan applicants. Your post implies tacit approval, or a “playing down” of rape, which or course you know didn’t happen at all. It was a dumb comparison but the whole point of it was that blaming the victim is flatly wrong in either case. Where was the minimization?
And needless to say, even a facetious comparison of his comment to Polanski’s actions or the reactions to Polanski’s actions is ridiculous. Aren’t you minimizing Polanksi’s crime by somehow relating it to Moore’s comment here?
crr6 on October 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM
For some reason, I feel the need to watch American Carol again, just for the scene where Bill O’Reilly slaps “Michael Malone”.
malclave on October 7, 2009 at 4:30 PM
You are a victim of stupid moral equivalency.
terryannonline on October 7, 2009 at 4:30 PM
That’s exactly what we have now, except that Moore will never be clean and articulate.
J.J. Sefton on October 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Uh, my guess is “No”. She’s never had one.
oldleprechaun on October 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM
I saw that. I called my Senators Alexander and Corker and both are firm against it….neither office could tell me who the senators were that were SELLING US OUT.
powerpro on October 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM
But, but, but … doesn’t Moore believe in redistribution of wealth or something? He could literally pay off the mortgages for hundreds, if not thousands of mortgage rape victims.
Why doesn’t he do this?
Why Michael … why?
darwin on October 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM
the image says “moore-rape.” K.
V15J on October 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM
That sounds like a nice amendment, but I’m highly skeptical that it wasn’t some kind of trip wire for defunding defense contractors.
If the amendment was as simple as thinkprogress makes it sounds (HUGE IF) I don’t see why anyone would vote against it.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Actually AP is, considering he’s grouped together the whole Polanski debacle with Moore’s relatively innocuous comment here.
crr6 on October 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Highly skeptical. The CBO is about to destroy the Senate Bill.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM
I sat through this interview last night and could have handled Moore much better than Hannity did… including being able to answer Moore’s question about the Gospel reading at last Sunday’s Mass. I was speaking out loud at the television, refuting Moore’s claims and answering his challenges correctly. Hannity is such a lightweight.
D2Boston on October 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM
He’s a human landfill. Fu*k him!
Flyboy on October 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Moore says people who willingly sign contracts are raped; and it’s AP’s fault?
Yeah. Ok.
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 4:34 PM
CBO just said that the Baucus bill would reduce the deficit, and would cost less than what the Senators thought.
I don’t think CBO will be destroying anything. Of course, they’re paid off.
Enoxo on October 7, 2009 at 4:35 PM
No Allahpundit was exactly right on Moore’s comparison. It was a stupid comparison.
terryannonline on October 7, 2009 at 4:35 PM
There’s something wrong with your brain.
crr6 on October 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM
But how much does his health care cost? Looks like a soda drinker…
d1carter on October 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Projection is a terrible thing.
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM
There are some who would say that if you sign a contract, then fail to live up to said contract, you are not a victim. Perhaps caught up in unfortunate circumstances, but not a victim.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM
There’s a buffet somewhere going lacking with a customer…
bradley11 on October 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM
because it for them to vote for anything that has al franken’s name on it. go USA!
sesquipedalian on October 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM
There’s a buffet somewhere LACKING a customer.
There. That’s better.
bradley11 on October 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Right. I said that in my first post.
Try and keep up.
crr6 on October 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Yes. I admire his convictions, but a deep thinker he is not.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM
*because it hurts for them*
sesquipedalian on October 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM
The amendment specifically targets Halliburton, KBR and no one else. If it was a generic bill amendment that targeted any contractor the votes would have been all “ayes”.
Typical democrat poltical ploy so Franken could tell his mindless supporters he went after Halliburton.
darwin on October 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM
I read your statement that way, but it could have easily come across as you calling AP’s comparison dumb, since that was the point of your entire post.
Try to keep up with yourself.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Keeps your eyes and brains on the bottom line.
This disgusting, elephantine turd has seen more $$ than any of us will in our whole lives. If he hates capitalism, WHY DID HE GO ON SEAN HANNITY (where he never regularly goes) TO PROMOTE HIS CRAP DOCO? Cha-ching, it’s all about the money.
Why does he have a cast-iron TRUST set up with just he and his wife on it? That’s pretty money savvy if you ask me.
This guy is a raging hypocrite…a prerequisite to be on the LEFT.
He will choke on the vast amount of gourmet foods his big, fat bank account allows him to feast on.
Gob on October 7, 2009 at 4:39 PM
When someone signs a contract they can’t fulfill, the victim is the counter-party, you blithering idiot. Man, you are stupid.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 4:39 PM
There are some who say that those who lack reading comprehension skills aren’t victims. Perhaps caught in unfortunate circumstances, but not a victim.
crr6 on October 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Thinkprogress … what a joke.
It should be ThinkCommunism
darwin on October 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM
But you still DEFENDED Moore.
terryannonline on October 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Maybe, but again, I’m highly skeptical. Do you have a link to the actual amendment? darwin, at 4:37, noted that it specifically went after certain contractors, which is at odds with a quote from Franken himself.
And it’s not like thinkprogress is known for their willingness to present all facts, even if it hurts the cause.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:41 PM
No, it isn’t.
Al Qaeda is a group, not a person. The IRA is not a terrorist. It is a terrorist organization. We are commanded to love our neighbor, love our enemies and love those that despitefully use us. That love does not trump the necessity of self-preservation and of justice, and it certainly doesn’t absolve us of our duty to protect and defend those persons and institutions we are responsible for. I am commanded to turn the other cheek, not consign my friends and neighbors to annihilation. I guess Moore would have us turn in Jews to Nazis for fear of telling a lie at the door.
God hates things, as should we. God hates lies, deceit, murder and all those religious and political doctrines that men use to justify their wretchedness.
spmat on October 7, 2009 at 4:41 PM
I didn’t know whales could stay out of water that long.
fogw on October 7, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Clever girl, but go look at your post again. It could easily have been read either way.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM
I understand that this is only part of our current economic mailaise however, I was reviewing loans in 1995 from the FHA that included 110% of the value of the property… I was stunned that someone could walk into a house with absolutely nothing down, not even closing costs courtesy of the Federal Gov’t…
At the time I knew this would lead to no good; I had no idea that this was happening on such a large scale and what devestation this would cause.
Babs on October 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Give it time, there won’t be any difference.
MarkTheGreat on October 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Moore is minimizing the status of “victim.” A rape victim is a true victim, I think by any definition of the term. But a person who is contractually bound to the terms of a mortgage document he voluntarily signed is not necessarily a victim, unless you minimize (and morally equivocate) what victimization means.
CarolynM on October 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Everyone should keep in mind the simple fact that in a great many instances, perhaps most, the folks who are defaulting on their mortgages were no different from renters: they put nothing down on an interest-only mortgage! How is that different from renting? No equity to lose at all. Consider the closing costs (often folded into the loan) as a damage deposit. In such cases, I have no sympathy at all for those who default.
Henry Bowman on October 7, 2009 at 4:45 PM
How many of these short skirts were “flippers” that bit off more than they could chew. I wonder if Mr. Moore would change his tune if he realized that he wants to give a pass to a bunch of people who were attempting to make evil profit?
Cindy Munford on October 7, 2009 at 4:46 PM
The only way liberals probably get the girl, is rape.
Hening on October 7, 2009 at 4:46 PM
A rape victim is an unwilling participant.
I’m sure the other half doesn’t need to be explained. But I’m sure someone will have to momentarily.
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Exactly what I was going to say! Putting Al Qaeda in its place is loving. The worst thing God will do to his child is leave us to our own evil.
Innocuous?
Esthier on October 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM
sesquipedalian on October 7, 2009 at 4:25 PM
So any time Republicans object to a Democratic attempt to pile on penalties after the fact, then Republicans support the criminal?
I realize the liberals are required to put their brain in lockboxes, but you are an extreme case.
MarkTheGreat on October 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM
The thinking is that poor people are a) stupid (which of course they wont say outright and b) in a position that none of us can understand so they need special rules because who can blame them for wanting to get out of poverty etc etc.
It’s all masked in a veil of wanting to “help” in return for votes.
Dash on October 7, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Honestly I think it was pretty clear. If I was talking about AP, why would this language follow…
.
The whole point of AP’s comparison is that blaming the victim is flatly wrong in either case? That wouldn’t make any sense at all, unless I was referring to Moore. She read it hastily and as a result she didn’t understand it. Not my fault.
crr6 on October 7, 2009 at 4:49 PM
rihar on October 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM
I’m not sure what you mean by this… do you consider yourself a victim or not?
malclave on October 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Actually, to be legally bound to a contract, the parties that signs have to meet several requirements.
One, you must have reached the age of consent, second, you must not be suffering from “diminished capacity”, ie, you must be of sound mind. Having just written that, I realized that no liberal can ever legally enter into a contract.
oldleprechaun on October 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM
but it’s okay to specifically target acorn so gop reps can brag about it to their constituents. (acorn, of course, has not received many billions worth of federal contracts, but never mind.)
the amendment names halliburton – because of the specific incident that led to its passage – but it actually impacts any DoD contractor.
sesquipedalian on October 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Relatively innocuous?
Man, you must have a terminal case of moral equivalency.
MarkTheGreat on October 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Fat Bastard. Somebody needs to smuggle them into their boiler room and use him for heating oil.
HornetSting on October 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM
It’s more than that. When you sign your mortgage papers, you are told (in like 5 places) what your monthly payments will be. How much will go into escrow, what your APR is, how long it’ll take to off pay off. The total amount paid if you make the minimum each month.
You are even given options on how to shorten the term of the loan by paying it differently (bi weekly instead of monthly). You can refinance.
Nothing is hidden. The paperwork to get a loan is thick.
Apparently, that is very similar to how a rape occurs. According to crr6 and Michael Moore.
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Coming from you, that’s a compliment.
MarkTheGreat on October 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Dear Roger Ailes,
Please dump Sean and get someone with half a brain for 9:00 pm that can run rings around such mental midgets as Michael Moore.
Thanks.
Pasalubong on October 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM
BLATHERING OAF!!!
jgdp on October 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Why is it that liberals always assume that everyone else reacts based on hate and nothing else?
Like those who oppose Obama can ONLY be motivated by hate.
Anyone who votes against a bill sponsored by Franken can only be doing it because they hate Franken.
MarkTheGreat on October 7, 2009 at 4:53 PM
So you, too, have been raped by crr6′s comments?
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 4:53 PM
sesquipedalian: betcha (in Palin speak) that there’s a backstory to this that your liberal resource doesn’t report since liberal reporting is always so slanted, skewed, and misinformed. Just ask the NY TImes….
chai on October 7, 2009 at 4:53 PM
You first.
MarkTheGreat on October 7, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Assign a reason, then blame them for that reason.
That’s pretty typical, actually.
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Fair enough, and that’s how I read it, as my response to your post clearly indicated. But you flowed from a sentence criticizing AP’s comparison directly into one calling Moore’s stupid. Don’t get mad because someone thought you were still talking about AP.
My issue, to which you haven’t responded, is the fact that you think someone who signed a legally binding contract and then failed to live up to it is somehow a victim. That’s stupid.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Allah, can you stop calling Michael Moore a socialist? He’s not. He’s a hardcore capitalist. He just claims to be a socialist because he makes his money peddling far left movies to left wing morons.
Darth Executor on October 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Well, as long as we’re spinning, why doesn’t a liberal bog have the headline… “Moore says blaming the victim in rape is wrong, HA outraged!”
crr6 on October 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Like the morning after a heaping plate of double-jalapeño nachos…
edgehead on October 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Like word-for-word exactly? Because that would be scary.
BadgerHawk on October 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM
This word “victim” I do not think it means what you think it means.
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Pasalubong you said it!
I like Sean Hannity. His show (on radio) is not bad but it’s by far NO THE BEST!
It shouldn’t be hard to take down Moore. He’s as tranparent as TURKMENBAMA.
Know who can do the job the best? Andrew Wilkow and Jim Quinn (Of “Quinn & Rose”).
I’d love to see those two gents pose over his big, fat mordant body with the (figurative) rifle in their hands when they are done too!
Gob on October 7, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Considering the size of his figure, it must be a pretty frickin huge fringe.
catmman on October 7, 2009 at 4:57 PM
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