New Dem plan for public option: Pass it, but give states an opt-out clause?
posted at 9:56 pm on October 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
I don’t get it. Or rather, I don’t get why any fiscal conservative would go for it.
But instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own, the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one…
For conservative Democrats — especially those from states with major private health insurance industry interests — this concession could be key, allowing them to punt a vote on a public plan to local governments. For progressives, it would not be the hardest pill to swallow.
“It is clearly much better than triggers and [Carper's] opt-ins,” said Richard Kirsch, executive director of the group Health Care For Americans Now. “A trigger option is a way to kill the public option and these opt ins are not effective because it leaves it up to state legislatures to set it up…”
Another Democrat working on reform legislation added, “If everyone gets a plan, and states have to affirmatively vote, preferably by referendum, to opt out. I really don’t see a lot of states opting out, for one. And, for two, you get your national [public plan] available everywhere. If a few holes start appearing, it’s not nearly as fatal as if you went with the Carper plan, which after a few years might mean 10 or 20 [state-based] public options. If you go the other way, you’ll probably have like 47 states. It’s a big difference.”
When, not if, some sort of federal tax hike is passed to help pay for this boondoggle — maybe it’ll be a VAT, maybe just an increase in the marginal income tax rates — would residents of states without a public option get some sort of deduction or credit? If not, there’s going to be intense pressure on the state legislature to approve a public option if only to ensure that the locals get something for the tax dollars being siphoned from them. Look at what happened when governors like Sanford and Palin flirted with rejecting stimulus money. Eventually they buckled to pressure from the legislature because it was simply too hard to ask people who were being soaked for $787 billion — which is less than the pricetag on the Baucus bill — to accept nothing in return for their money. Combine that with the fact that forcing private insurers to cover preexisting conditions will mean more expensive premiums across the board and you’ll have people in non-public option states either screaming at the legislature to give them “relief” by approving a cheap government plan as an alternative or else voting with their feet — the prospect of which should be enough to get the legislature to act. Unless I’m missing something, an opt-out scheme is basically just a prisoner’s dilemma to get recalcitrant red states to acquiesce in a government plan, which will provide much-needed political cover for Democrats when the red ink starts to flow and the financial reckoning comes. It won’t be Obama’s fault then; it’ll be Obama’s fault and Rick Perry’s fault and Mark Sanford’s fault and every other Republican governor who signed off on “socialism.” So why would any Blue Dog agree to it?
While you ponder, here’s some fun body language from our glorious Democratic leadership yesterday via The Hill. Watch Pelosi when Reid puts a hand on her shoulder and then when Reid says they’ll support The One on Afghanistan no matter what.
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nyx on October 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM
So what does it mean that Reid creeps Pelosi (the creepiest woman alive on earth) out? It means love!
AUINSC on October 7, 2009 at 9:59 PM
The bottom line is Americans don’t want any of this. If anything gets rammed through by the Dems, they’ll be hell to pay at the polls, and it will all get reversed. Americans are on the warpath – The Messiah doesn’t get it yet. He will, and so will the Dems. Fun and games are over.
Cinday Blackburn on October 7, 2009 at 10:00 PM
It wasn’t a hand hand.
Mark1971 on October 7, 2009 at 10:01 PM
That video is awesome! Apparently she thinks he’s dingy too.
changer1701 on October 7, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Calling her a female dog in heat is getting to be a little bland…
Ideas????
katy on October 7, 2009 at 10:03 PM
$%@$#%$@% Socialists. Plain and simple, #$$#%$#%# Socialists. Welcome to the destruction of the greatest, and last, experiment in self-governance in the history of the human race. Totalitarianism forever.
johnsteele on October 7, 2009 at 10:03 PM
That’s what I’m wondering.
If private insurers have to cover preexisting conditions and have no maximum benefit- will that raise us all up to “Cadillac” plans?
MayBee on October 7, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Kill.
The.
Bill.
Or ya know what? Let’s pass a bill that allows states to OPT-OUT if they don’t want their state funds used to pay for Congressman’s salaries.
Skywise on October 7, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I am confused as to the start date on these plans?
d1carter on October 7, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Dried up, hagged out slunkmeat? (h/t Dan Akroyd)
thomasaur on October 7, 2009 at 10:06 PM
right before the cnn kids singing one of the kids comes out against obamacare http://bit.ly/4rm0mN
ninjapirate on October 7, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Harry and Nancy, sittin’ in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
Oh, yeah, did you get her excruciatingly phony smile at the very end?
misslizzi on October 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM
She’s hoping that he doesn’t rub off on her. Ooops, he already did.
yoda on October 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Katy! Quit insulting dogs. Maybe a cockroach or a dung-beetle? A slug? A blood-sucking leech? A parasitic worm? Just getting warmed up…
indypat on October 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM
COUNT…minus the “O”. That’s what I call her.
SouthernGent on October 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Every “fix” aimed at getting a Blue Dog or a Snowe seems to be worse than the original plans.
myrenovations on October 7, 2009 at 10:09 PM
It’s probably because Harry’s dead meat. Getting touched by a corpse freaks you out.
ddrintn on October 7, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Did I just see the difference between a Nevada goof ball and a California committed, life-long Laa Laa gal?
PaCadle on October 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM
She is embracing her inner feminist…
or Harry’s breath smells like a camels a$$!
katy on October 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Don’t worry, CNN will be digging up some dirt on Willie’s parents in no time! We can’t be having an African-American against ObamaCare. That’s just wrong!
deidre on October 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Man, between this and the CBO report I really feel like the wind has come out of my sails. I still am hoping that the bill is just too much to pass. But I feel like they are doing anything and everything to make it over the hump, only to dump in everything that made it so bad after the vote.
And be honest, would you want either of them touching you? I think I would rather peel off my skin.
Gatsu on October 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Yeah, I’m looking forward to the entire fact check on this kid and his statements.
misslizzi on October 7, 2009 at 10:16 PM
yeah, i don’t think so. I’m amused by their desperation to force this socialist abortion on us.
elduende on October 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM
This shows just how weak this plan is with the electorate and a good number of Dems. Remember, they have the numbers but not the votes. If they did, they’d have passed it already. The more machinations that they go through to make this politically feasible the better the chance that it croaks by year end…I hope.
volnation on October 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM
This is kind of depressing. I miss townhall meetings. I feel like we’re losing.
deidre on October 7, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
- Sir Walter Scott
Would anyone take medicine dispensed at a pharmacy by anyone who looked like Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid?
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Plan Nine From Outer Space.
This really is getting beyond ridiculous.
fogw on October 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM
The only other hope I have with all this is that they literally strip so much out of this thing that Obama would basically be signing a piece of paper that just says HEALTHCARE on it.
Gatsu on October 7, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Their desperation is scaring me. Desperate people throw anything up against the wall and hope it will stick.
For the first time in awhile – I’m scared this is going to pass and we are going to have one very deep dark long depression.
gophergirl on October 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM
They are deserving of each other.
donkichi on October 7, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Is it just the flu speaking or does pelosi look mildly attractive in that video?
Darth Executor on October 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM
A Minger.
Minger: Although now more commonly used to define an extremely visually challenged appearance, the word minger originally came from Scottish Gaelic, meaning ‘septic vagina’.
csdeven on October 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Someone could do a photoshop of Reid as Doctor Frankenstein, Pelosi as Igor and Obama(Care) as the monster.
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Oh, it’s going to pass eventually, with the public option in place as well.
ddrintn on October 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM
It’s alive! It’s alive!!
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM
This is sheer insanity, but that’s what happens when you put a bunch of America-hating, anti-capitalist collectivists in charge of the federal government. I have never seen anything so stupid as this.
Whatever the commies want to do, the fact remains that the federal government is not allowed to just open up companies when it wants. Period. It is a clear violation of the Constitution and as un-American as anything. This is more the type of thing that would fit for a nation like Indonesia, not the US.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I would say that you have just had an embolism. Better call 911, STAT!
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:28 PM
No part of Socialism can ever be optional.
logis on October 7, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Willie/Piper 2034!!!
SouthernGent on October 7, 2009 at 10:29 PM
The US will go into permanent stagnation, but if this sort of crap passes, states will secede and start a nation based on America’s founding documents that carries on the American spirit, unlike this un-Constitutional, collectivist sh!thole that the US has quickly been turning into.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Don’t knock Indonesia. In another 10 years that’s where you may be going for medical treatment.
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Just have to be patient. Every day w/o a vote is a victory. I really think that it’s collapsing under its own weight as we speak, CBO or no CBO. Remember, they scored what they were given and they appear to have qualified their report as being extremely preliminary. The Dems have to have Republican support or it won’t pass – I just don’t see how they will roll the dice on this and take the political heat that is sure to come if this passes on a party line vote.
And make no mistake, the public will be upset in 2010 if this passes and the Dems know it. In the Baucus bill taxes go up in 2010 (not to mention the Bush rollback in 2011), with UE at 10% (or higher), with housing/RE on the precipice and an even shot at a U-shaped recovery. This is political suicide for them and they have to know it. It’s ugly as hell right now and this will only make it worse. How Obama and Congress survive this politically is a mystery to me, which makes passage of this thing that much more mind boggling.
volnation on October 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Heh…it actually looked to me like she was POed that he shoved her away from the mic and took over, promoting himself instead of her. And it does look like a shove to me, in a nice political way: his hand on her shoulder guides her over to the right as he steps over…over…over…until HE is in front of the mic and she is off to the side. lol… Power struggle?
Highlar on October 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Don’t kid yourself. None of this stuff would get reversed. As long as the Traitor-in-Chief is occupying the White House, there will be no legislation being signed that helps the US. The only chance America has is for none of this legislation to get through, or the Precedent to be tossed out for being ineligible. The GOP won’t get veto-proof majorities in both Houses, so this is the end-game, right now, with all of the nation-killing legislation they are trying to shove through. It’ll all be over before the elections in 2010 – for good or for bad.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM
That is precisely correct. If there is no tax credit for opt-out state residents, there would be no point to opt-out. Period.
Knowing the Democrats, and Barackus Caesar, at some point in time down the road any state that should choose to ‘opt-out’ of a Democrat devised national plan will also most likely be hit with future penalties on top of the other immediate negative ramifications that will make resistance futile.
Much like states that don’t enact or uphold other certain federal laws/mandates that result in highway funds being withheld, or education funding being withheld, etc, but they’ll still tax you for it anyway until the state jumps in lock-step.
Whatever happens, if the bill passes with a state opt-out, Barackus Caesar and the Democrats will change the rules at some point and make any opt-out state pay a heavy price for doing so. This would absolutely be a no win situation for opt-out state residents and political suicide for any opt-out state’s politicians if they remain opted-out.
I would not, and will not, trust them any farther than I could throw them.
Giving states an opt-out clause is ludicrous and an act of desperation. If you can’t dazzle ‘em with brilliance; Baffle ‘em with bull $hit. The sole purpose of such a ridiculous ‘concession’ is just to get this boondoggle passed now so they can change the rules later and eventually force any opt-out to opt-in.
SilverStar830 on October 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Opt out like Mark Sanford wanted to with the porkulous, but was forced to by the SC Supreme Court? This plan is DOA.
SouthernGent on October 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM
LOL. I just wish it weren’t true.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM
coodies.
Griz on October 7, 2009 at 10:37 PM
I would agree in July, but if this were all over but for the crying, they would have done it already. I really don’t know what they hell they’re waiting for. They have a bill with HR3200, copy and paste to the Senate and you have shake and bake NHC. They don’t have the votes in their own party, but rather several competing factions that can’t come together. But in the end they can pass whatever they want, but the fact is that (to date) they can’t.
volnation on October 7, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Is it just the flu speaking or does pelosi look mildly attractive in that video?
Darth Executor on October 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM
http://symptoms.wrongdiagnosis.com/cosymptoms/fever/hallucinations.htm
katy on October 7, 2009 at 10:37 PM
There’s a little hostility going on with those two. Cool.
Wouldn’t you like to be the dude who just happens to have a pair of dueling pistols on hand during some of their lovefests?
Guardian on October 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM
To Cinday, I would add that there is the possibility that the SCOTUS would do their job and declare it un-Constitutional (as it clearly is) but I have no faith in the federal judiciary. They are an even bigger problem than the legislative and executive branches.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM
You are making me feel better :)
gophergirl on October 7, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Ditto
volnation on October 7, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Round about the cauldron go
In the poisoned entrails throw
Fillet of Kevorkian snake
In the cauldron boil and bake
Eye of Reid and toe of Ezekiel frog
Wool of dingbat and tongue of Mengele dog
Twisted fork and blind-bureaucrat sting
Lizard’s leg and White House Marxist wing
Maw of ravening ACORN shark
Root of Pelosi hemlock digged in the dark
Cheshire Cat on October 7, 2009 at 10:39 PM
We would be so much better off if Congress and the entire government apparatus were outsourced to a call center in Mumbai.
We are watching America fail miserably, and there doesn’t seem to be a damn thing we can do to stop the despicable slimy thugs in D.C. from getting their way.
MrScribbler on October 7, 2009 at 10:39 PM
how do you spell “CLUSTERFARK” ??
Janos Hunyadi on October 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM
In Austrian?
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM
I think that’s grounds for a sexual harassment suit.
txag92 on October 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM
In the Medical Dictionary it is spelled, O-B-A-M-A.
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Now seems like yet another good time to try and get Ed or Allah to discuss the Arizona option. I’d like to get the thoughts of others on the AZ initiative on next year’s ballot.
DerKrieger on October 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM
No . . . don’t let the bums get away with this. They’re like a fungus, you scrape them off and the just grow back. Reid and Pelosi are simply evil and immoral.
rplat on October 7, 2009 at 10:46 PM
In Austrian it would be D-A-S O-B-A-M-A.
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Under ObamaCare 40 will be the new old age.
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Well Reid puts his hand on Nancys sholder at precisely
0:06,then at 0:07,Pelosi figures out sumpin ain’t right!
Moving along from 0:07 to 0:09,both Reid and Nancy
perform the Side-Shuffle-Two-Step,and finally at
around 0:14,
both Reid and Nancy achieve a Palomino moment,which
could be interpretted as some form of orgasim!
Question: Do Liberals have any form of SEX Bedrooms
in or around the House or Senate,because I
think,Reid and Nancy won’t make it to a
near by hotel!!(Snark).
canopfor on October 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Tenth Amendment Center
DerKrieger on October 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Oops, shoulder,not sholder!
canopfor on October 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM
The scariest part of this is it doesn’t kick in until 2013. The unsuspecting sheeple won’t see any difference in their lives when the elections come up. That was the plan by Obama all along.
sandee on October 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM
I think I saw that on National Geographic once. I think the program was called “The Mating Dance of the Dodo Bird”.
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM
The taxes start immediately. The bureaucracy gets established and staffed up immediately. We the People aren’t herded to the slaughterhouse until 2013.
DerKrieger on October 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM
You mean like the difference b/w eating regularly and, well, not?
volnation on October 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM
I am going to go to sleep soon and when I check HA in the morning this thread is hopefully gone and never happened.
These scums, if they do this, are trying to get the states to suck off the federal teat (more so then the current system).
I wish one of our resident trolls could explain to me why liberals hate liberty.
WashJeff on October 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM
So, just for arguments sake let’s say that ddrintn@10:26 is prophetic and this thing does pass with a public option in tact.
What do we do then? Reproach our government with our grievances? We already did that during the summer at the town halls. Fail.
File a suit and take it to the Supreme Court based on it being unconstitutional? Will the case be killed on the way to the SCOTUS? Will they agree to hear the case? What if they hear the case and then decide that it was constitutional, or even worse, come up with some sort of judgment that allows for psuedo-socialism? What if SCOTUS legitimizes the underhanded slights that the government has and is preparing to perpetrate against the Citizens?
I guess what I am asking is what happens when we have played by the rules to the fullest extent of civility afforded us Citizens under the Constitution? Where will we draw the line in the sand? Or is that line ever moving and we will keep moving with it like the republican party in the name of moderation? Will our rally cry forever be 2010, no 2012, no no 2014?
I have sworn an oath to defend and protect Our Nation and it’s Constitution. I will if needed.
donkichi on October 7, 2009 at 10:56 PM
The Devil is always in the details.
LFRGary on October 7, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Secession, because the federal government would have violated the word and spirit of the Constitution, thereby rendering it null and void, and America would have been killed – save the name.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Isn’t this Roe v. Wade in reverse? Before 1973, there was no Federal law regarding abortion (and there still isn’t, btw). There were just 50 state laws that governed abortion–some were very strict, but a number of states were showing an openness to allowing various exceptions. Then the lawsuit, the penumbra, and the rest is now called stare decisis.
So, as for this bill: the Feds will offer the states a way to opt out of it? Isn’t that (a) diametrically opposite of all the the proponents’ loudly trumpeted claims to cover all the [pick one: 30, 45, 50] million uninsured residents; and (2) contrary to the overarching principle of the 14th Amendment of equal application of the law that allows the taking from the feelthy rich and giving to the real citizens who suffer in Michael Moore’s ‘Murica?
CO2MAKER on October 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM
I’ve asked the same questions for months. I’m ready to support secession if necessary and violently so if I must. I just wonder if there are enough like-minded people or if people will just surrender to the inevitability of a super state that will manage their lives from birth to death.
DerKrieger on October 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Obama will end up failing all on his own, with or without a public option. We can’t afford any more taxation and national debt (HRC and Geitner aren’t in China so often for the cuisine, that’s for sure). Obama is killing the economic machine that makes (made) America great and that’ll be his downfall. All of his plans depend upon a robust economy which won’t happen while he’s in office. And w/o that, he’s (and the Congressional Dems) are sunk.
volnation on October 7, 2009 at 11:06 PM
If this development of the superstate doesn’t force secession by the saner states, then the coming monetary disaster will prompt some states to cut and run, since anything attached to the drowning federal government will be dragged down the abyss with it.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Correct me if I am wrong on this, please! but isn’t there something in this bill that if passed will not allow it to be repealed? Seriously, correct me if I am wrong.
valianthunter on October 7, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I think I saw that on National Geographic once. I think the program was called “The Mating Dance of the Dodo Bird”.
MB4 on October 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM
MB4: Dodo bird,MB,riddle me this,which one has the
Dodo,ahem,hehe:)
canopfor on October 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Have to elect a GOP Congress in 2010 and 2012 and a GOP POTUS in 2012.
DerKrieger on October 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM
OK. They have been doing this for most of the history of our Nation. If I recall, there was a civil war fought over states rights. How would this be different? Because we now perceive the grievances of the confederate states in retrospect to have been wrong or unjustified? How would our claim to grievances stand the test of time should we commit the same act of secession? How would the outcome be any different?
Sorry, I am not trolling here. I am seriously sick of eating a crap sandwich day in and day out. I want to know that we realize where this COULD eventually end up and that it is not some game that college students play around a coffee table in Starbucks.
I am looking for the slightest glimmer of hope that our government understands and fears. Right now, fear is hope.
donkichi on October 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Classic. Even the tools on Morning Joe were howling about this–over and over and over again.
Exit question: Where Harry’s hand go after he dropped it from her shoulder?
BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Must be the results orientated nature of military folks.
Obama isn’t the root problem, he is the symptom.
The ramifications of a break up of the country stricktly due to fiscal matters is even more frightening. Then we owe the world everything that we have, even as individual states. Violence from within and most assuredly violence from the outside.
donkichi on October 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Hey, why not? Obama and his lazy camp followers get their bill, and I don’t have to pay for it.
BobMbx on October 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM
I really like the ad for top colon cleansers on this web page.
Reading about the “healthcare” bill is quite an adequate colon cleanser.
Dhuka on October 7, 2009 at 11:29 PM
I think they’re dating. excuse me while I heave…
BobMbx on October 7, 2009 at 11:32 PM
They remind me of that painting American Gothic, except they don’t look as good.
Dhuka on October 7, 2009 at 11:35 PM
No. This is completely different. Never before in American history have we had to contend with truly anti-America people running the federal government. There is no precedent to The Precedent. And the lunatic Congress we have is, also, unparalleled in American history. America is about to cross the Rubicon.
This is not an issue of states’ rights, but of the nature of America. This is an issue of individualism versus collectivism, as the basis of this nation. States’ rights are a minor issue compared to this. It would be one thing to form a superstate that valued individualism (which would be bad enough, though still beholden to the most important part of the American character) but we are talking about a superstate that prays at the alter of the collective.
The Confederate states had every right to secede. The states created the Union, not the other way around.
Who cares? This is a matter of the very nature of our country. I would rather live in a poor country that valued individualism than a rich one that dictated my life for me. It just so happens that valuing individualism tends to allow much more wealth to be created than with any collectivist nation, but I value my individual freedom over pretty much anything, anyway.
Do you think this federal government is going to go to war to force a state to stay in the Union? It would be the only thing they are willing to fight, and they would lose, as the federal ranks would thin out for many reasons, depending on how many states joined the move. These gutless wonders in the Washington junta couldn’t win a bean-bag fight. They would just cry to the UN. But the energy states would be the ones going, so the old US would have nothing (except in states like California, that have tons of energy but don’t allow themselves to use it – global warming and all).
The Washington junta doesn’t understand, at all, and they have no fear. Ignorance is bliss, you know. That’s why this nation is headed for disaster. Secession is the best alternative. It is clean and legal. And it would offer a chance to throw off some of the outrageous stupidity that has been pushed on us lately, like the desecration of the integrity of contracts with the Chrysler ruling or the desecration of private property rights in Kelo.
progressoverpeace on October 7, 2009 at 11:43 PM
I think they’re dating. excuse me while I heave…
BobMbx on October 7, 2009 at 11:32 PM
BobMbx: Watch the guck,near the up-chuck bucket,I already
heaved,hehe:)
canopfor on October 7, 2009 at 11:47 PM
No compromising it is like letting a serial killer into your home. We don’t need this garbage.
Wingnut on October 8, 2009 at 12:11 AM
That’s the key point right there. So in my mind..Wtf is this? How is this any different at all from just having a public option to begin with?
tartan on October 8, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Thanks for taking the time to hit me back.
I usually like HA and MM to pick up the mood back home (I am in AFG). Lately HA has been a little light on real conversation and debate and more comedic relief than anything else. Topics being posted are great but a majority of the posts seem to completely ignore the seriousness of our situation. Perhaps it is because the summer season has ended and we do not have townhalls keeping the flame of urgency stoked. I don’t know. But thanks for answering the call to more than a canned laugh line or attempt thereof.
Donkichi
donkichi on October 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Ummm…BINGO?
donkichi on October 8, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Or was that rhetorical?
donkichi on October 8, 2009 at 12:37 AM
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