New Dem plan for public option: Pass it, but give states an opt-out clause?

posted at 9:56 pm on October 7, 2009 by Allahpundit

I don’t get it. Or rather, I don’t get why any fiscal conservative would go for it.

But instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own, the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one…

For conservative Democrats — especially those from states with major private health insurance industry interests — this concession could be key, allowing them to punt a vote on a public plan to local governments. For progressives, it would not be the hardest pill to swallow.

“It is clearly much better than triggers and [Carper's] opt-ins,” said Richard Kirsch, executive director of the group Health Care For Americans Now. “A trigger option is a way to kill the public option and these opt ins are not effective because it leaves it up to state legislatures to set it up…”

Another Democrat working on reform legislation added, “If everyone gets a plan, and states have to affirmatively vote, preferably by referendum, to opt out. I really don’t see a lot of states opting out, for one. And, for two, you get your national [public plan] available everywhere. If a few holes start appearing, it’s not nearly as fatal as if you went with the Carper plan, which after a few years might mean 10 or 20 [state-based] public options. If you go the other way, you’ll probably have like 47 states. It’s a big difference.”

When, not if, some sort of federal tax hike is passed to help pay for this boondoggle — maybe it’ll be a VAT, maybe just an increase in the marginal income tax rates — would residents of states without a public option get some sort of deduction or credit? If not, there’s going to be intense pressure on the state legislature to approve a public option if only to ensure that the locals get something for the tax dollars being siphoned from them. Look at what happened when governors like Sanford and Palin flirted with rejecting stimulus money. Eventually they buckled to pressure from the legislature because it was simply too hard to ask people who were being soaked for $787 billion — which is less than the pricetag on the Baucus bill — to accept nothing in return for their money. Combine that with the fact that forcing private insurers to cover preexisting conditions will mean more expensive premiums across the board and you’ll have people in non-public option states either screaming at the legislature to give them “relief” by approving a cheap government plan as an alternative or else voting with their feet — the prospect of which should be enough to get the legislature to act. Unless I’m missing something, an opt-out scheme is basically just a prisoner’s dilemma to get recalcitrant red states to acquiesce in a government plan, which will provide much-needed political cover for Democrats when the red ink starts to flow and the financial reckoning comes. It won’t be Obama’s fault then; it’ll be Obama’s fault and Rick Perry’s fault and Mark Sanford’s fault and every other Republican governor who signed off on “socialism.” So why would any Blue Dog agree to it?

While you ponder, here’s some fun body language from our glorious Democratic leadership yesterday via The Hill. Watch Pelosi when Reid puts a hand on her shoulder and then when Reid says they’ll support The One on Afghanistan no matter what.

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New Yorkers are screwed.

Connie on October 8, 2009 at 12:46 AM

Yah, and if you live on the left coast. Oh, well, yer screwed!

WitchDoctor on October 8, 2009 at 12:46 AM

Great idea! Then a couple years down the road they can start denying Federal funds for X, Y, or Z unless they accept the public option. Keeewwwwwllll.

quikstrike98 on October 8, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Trap play.

The Beltway Crowd respecting ‘States Rights’? Riight.

Somebody’s getting really desperate.

This is like trying to sell a week-old fish; good luck with that.

CPT. Charles on October 8, 2009 at 1:49 AM

Priceless, dude.

WaltzingMtilda on October 8, 2009 at 1:59 AM

Aww, I forgot how to do the block quote thingy. Anyways the “it wasn’t a hand hand” darn near made me spit my beer out.

Kinda cute how Nan moves away from Harry as if he smells like a visitor to the Capitol.

WaltzingMtilda on October 8, 2009 at 2:02 AM

Check out Pelousi’s eyeroll at Dipshite at the end!

Ogabe on October 8, 2009 at 2:17 AM

Have to elect a GOP Congress in 2010 and 2012 and a GOP POTUS in 2012.
DerKrieger on October 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM

I thought I read somewhere or heard it on Fox that there is a clause in the healthcare reform bill that stipulates that once the bill is signed by the big O that it cannot be repealed. Can they do that? Even with a GOP majority and a GOP president? Someone help me, I’m confused.

valianthunter on October 8, 2009 at 2:44 AM

I thought I read somewhere or heard it on Fox that there is a clause in the healthcare reform bill that stipulates that once the bill is signed by the big O that it cannot be repealed. Can they do that? Even with a GOP majority and a GOP president? Someone help me, I’m confused.

valianthunter on October 8, 2009 at 2:44 AM

It doesn’t even matter. The fiscal condition of this country will be so poor by the time the program is implemented that it will probably be shelved, and entitlements and military spending will be slashed. This is all some kind of absurd theater.

DFCtomm on October 8, 2009 at 2:51 AM

Harry Reid: beta male.

Travis Bickle on October 8, 2009 at 3:07 AM

Reid and Pelosi! Together in . . . uh . . . harmony??

Oh, they are nasty pair of weasel–I mean–**weasel-like pseudo-humans.

But it looks like they would make a wonderful pair of tag-team wrestlers. I am still working on a good name for them though. Something catchy.

Still, Pelosi`s hair is just to die for, don`t you think? And that may well happen if this Obamacare goes through. How much she pay for that hair, anyway? Gotta ask Edwards, I guess . . . .

**I apologize to all of the true weasels out there. I admire these mammals of the otter family. And ferrets, too.
A lot of negative allusions to weasels and ferrets in English. Well, investigators are likened to ferrets as they ferret out stuff. Maybe we better let loose some ferrets in Congress. Ferret Czars!

Sherman1864 on October 8, 2009 at 4:09 AM

I thought the new Dem “plan” was to hide under the bed and hope everything somehow works out in the end?

SuperCool on October 8, 2009 at 4:22 AM

Looks like a photo op of the first family of hell. Mr. & Mrs. Satan.

Jeff from WI on October 8, 2009 at 4:55 AM

Harry Reid: beta male.

Travis Bickle on October 8, 2009 at 3:07 AM

More like a theta, sigma or epsilon eunuch. By the way, you talkin’ to me?!

J.J. Sefton on October 8, 2009 at 6:28 AM

No no no! Kill this bill permanently. Its wrong and they do not have the constitutional authority to pass it.

I guess its time for another rally in DC, this time we all go.

dogsoldier on October 8, 2009 at 6:34 AM

If at all, why can’t a government option only be used like Unemployment. I know when you lose your job with some life insurance you keep coverage til you next job.

tomas on October 8, 2009 at 6:46 AM

Just imagine how much better off we would be if they put this time and energy into doing something actually productive with themselves.

Terrye on October 8, 2009 at 6:54 AM

And if people think this is contentious, add on cap and trade and see where the mood of the country is then.

Terrye on October 8, 2009 at 6:57 AM

Coincidence she scoots to her left when he talks of the war?

Alden Pyle on October 8, 2009 at 7:21 AM

So in other words, any way you slice it, this socialism is still going to cause a massive, widespread financial disaster for the entire country while destroying our insurance system.

Democrats: SURE!@! LET’S SHOVE IT THROUGH!@!! YEEAAARRRGGGHHH!@!

Good Lt on October 8, 2009 at 7:53 AM

Simple, federal run healthcare is unconstitutional …

And you thought they were serious when they squawked over Bush spying on library cards … And they now sit silent why the federal government takes possession of your medical records. Say is the 4th Amendment gone now?

Shame …

tarpon on October 8, 2009 at 8:03 AM

This nation has been screwed and put out to dry. The muslims hope and change will start a civil war in this country. The good old days are gone and the new socialist age is here for the US as it is growing with problems in Europe. We can all thank the sorry ass members of congress and the main stream media for all of this and it should never be forgotten.

bluegrass on October 8, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Aww, I forgot how to do the block quote thingy. Anyways the “it wasn’t a hand hand” darn near made me spit my beer out.

Kinda cute how Nan moves away from Harry as if he smells like a visitor to the Capitol.

WaltzingMtilda on October 8, 2009 at 2:02 AM

I’m glad I hadn’t gotten my coffee yet! That was great!

lovingmyUSA on October 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM

They’re floundering, folks. Throwing more stuff at the wall hoping something sticks or else confuses us so much we don’t notice the damn things been passed and no one knows what’s in it. Will the states that opt out if that’s even possible, still have to help pay for the states that take it? If so, that means we will be paying for failed states that have been fiscally irresponsible with all their entitlements. Lord, help us.

Kissmygrits on October 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM

That video is hilarious. I always wondered if creepy people had the capacity to find other people creepy. I guess they do.

mr.blacksheep on October 8, 2009 at 10:00 AM

See the tension and raised eyebrows on Pelosi immediately after the words “we’ll support it”.

Aren’t you supposed to change your mind AFTER the public announcement?

RegularJoe on October 8, 2009 at 10:51 AM

donkichi on October 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Good talking with you, Don. There were some lulls in seriousness. I think that it was just a break from how intense and serious things had become, along with the idea that many thought the true danger had passed (that some of the legislation had finally died, for all intents and purposes). Well, now everyone realizes that these bills will not die natural deaths. It’s going to take a stake through the heart or holding the legislation in direct sunlight long enough to make them burn to a crisp and truly disappear. Some people might also be surprised to find out that the fiasco in Copenhagen didn’t deter The Precedent one little bit. He pretended that nothing happened and just continued on his push to destroy America.

Well, we’ll see what happens. Stay safe, Don. It’s not being made easy for you, out there. It’s good to see that McChrystal is taking a public stand. I hope he prevails, for everyone’s sake.

progressoverpeace on October 8, 2009 at 11:23 AM

I thought I read somewhere or heard it on Fox that there is a clause in the healthcare reform bill that stipulates that once the bill is signed by the big O that it cannot be repealed. Can they do that? Even with a GOP majority and a GOP president? Someone help me, I’m confused.

valianthunter on October 8, 2009 at 2:44

I’d like to see the link to that if you have it. Sounds fishy to me.

I’m unaware of any mechanism that could, legally, make a law incapable of being repealed. I mean, the entire bill of rights can be legally repealed if they vote on a Constitutional amendment abolishing those amendments. (see Prohibition)

MannyT-vA on October 8, 2009 at 5:38 PM

They can always repeal any law, but they’re counting on the same trick FDR used in Social Security. He made it applicable to everyone, not just those who needed it, and said that if everybody benefits nobody would ever be able to repeal it. It’s a tactic of buying our votes with our own money. We, the Sheeple, of the United States of America have sold our birthright for a mess of pottage.

flataffect on October 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM

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