An end run around the filibuster for public option?
posted at 11:37 am on October 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
According to the Washington Examiner, Harry Reid has not stopped rummaging around in his bag of tricks for the public option. Despite plummeting approval ratings in his home state, Reid wants to push the more radical agenda, but in a way that keeps Republicans from effectively blocking it:
Senate Democrats desperate to find a way to pass a health care bill that includes a federal insurance plan may have come up with a way to do it without putting moderate members who oppose it in political jeopardy.
Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is weighing a plan to bring the final health care bill to the floor without a public option — making it much easier to get the 60 votes needed to prevent a Republican filibuster — and then adding the provision later as an amendment.
The public option amendment would be there waiting, but the 60-vote test would technically be on a bill without the government plan. Then moderate Democrats could drop out for the vote on the public option, which requires just 51 votes for passage.
Reid’s spokesman confirmed that Reid is considering this approach, but it depends on a couple of conditions. First, the non-public-option bill has to pass a filibuster, and with this trick getting public attention, that will be less likely. All of the Republicans will line up against it, and with the kinds of taxes being discussed by the Finance Committee, some of the Democrats may not want to put their name on the bill, either. And not to be too tacky, but all 60 Democrats have to show up for the vote, and the health of Robert Byrd makes that at least an open question.
Afterward, the House would have to adopt the bill outright rather than approve their own. Otherwise, the Republicans could filibuster the conference report, and some Democrats would likely join if it contains a public option. The odds of the House adopting a Senate version outright seems low, especially with House Democrats fuming over a particular tax provision in it:
More than half of the Democrats in the House have signed on to a letter denouncing a key element of the Senate Finance Committee’s health care legislation as labor unions draw a line in the sand on paying for reform.
The Democrats are attacking a plan to finance expanded health care by taxing expensive health insurance plans. The plan, sometimes cast as a tax on “Cadillac” plans, would in fact include the health care plans of many public employees and union members and has triggered a revolt from Obama’s labor supporters and their many allies on the Hill.
The letter from 154 House Democrats to Speaker Nancy Pelosi urges her “to reject proposals to enact an excise tax on high-cost insurance plans that could be potentially passed on to middle-class families.”
“This is not an obscure detail of health care reform,” said Connecticut Rep. Joe Courtney, who drafted the letter. “Taxing health benefits was explicitly debated in the campaign by presidential candidates and people running for Congress.”
The big objection comes from unions, which are not exempted from this tax in the Baucus plan. Big Labor has no intention of paying for the ObamaCare plan, especially since their funds are already strapped for health-care coverage in the economic crisis. Unfortunately, Baucus’ plan relies on that tax for enough revenue to make the plan deficit neutral — which will fail anyway, as the excise tax will force insurers out of those Cadillac plans anyway, including the unions — and can’t be stripped out of the bill without massively increasing taxes elsewhere. And that’s without the public option.
It’s certainly one of Reid’s options, but it would be almost impossible to pull off. It does show, however, how underhanded Reid is willing to get in order to insert a program into a bill that has generated outrage and opposition from all but the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Remember all of that talk about transparency and openness from Democrats in 2006 and 2008?










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Transparent as mud.
And the really scary thing? If it weren’t for blogs, we’d never even know about it.
Bob's Kid on October 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Go ahead… Make my day!
Khun Joe on October 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Go ahead and do it. You will go down in history a the people that passed the largest entitlement know to ma only to have it undone. You people are really a bunch of POS.
mcl2177 on October 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Sounds like a perfectly legitimate maneuver to me. A bitter minority able to thwart the majority party through cheap parliamentary tricks seem far more ominous.
Bleeds Blue on October 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM
If this were any other line of work, we would call this fraud or false advertising, bait and switch, etc., and it would be subject, hopefully, to lawsuit and/or a plunge in revenue.
In other words, this is nothing but criminal activity that must be stopped.
Diane on October 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM
WashJeff on October 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
November 2010 is coming for you, Harry. It’s Tom Daschle all over again.
Pablo on October 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Repost…formatting error.
Say whatever you need to say to get power. That is the lesson of those elections.
WashJeff on October 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
The dirty Bertie school of transparency.
seven on October 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Well,your approval of it is just proof that the tactic is 100% wrong.
portlandon on October 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Remember all of that talk about transparency and openness from Democrats in 2006 and 2008?
ha ha ha ha ha ha…..Yeah right.
SHARPTOOTH on October 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM
So basically what they’re doing is voting on a blank unwritten bill, giving Harry Reid a blank check to write anything he wants?
Otherwise it is an impossible situation, and the bill will be impossible to implement, impossible to pay for, and the democrats are going to do it anyway?
Swell.
Skandia Recluse on October 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Please read the Constitution… The something by Hamilton or Jefferson… You REALLY need some perspective…
Khun Joe on October 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Is this the nuclear option?
WashJeff on October 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I hope the 21%ers do it. After all that’s happened I can’t think of a better way to finish destroying the socialist agenda and Obama.
elduende on October 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Where there is a will (even against the American people who don’t want it) there is a way.
Beaglemom on October 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT
The American people aren’t already mad enough that you’re not listening to them about this heath care takeover by the federal government.
Now tell them to go f*ck off and die by doing an end-run around the filibuster, Harry.
WE DARE YOU.
Good Lt on October 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Filibusters and 60 votes clotures are not in the constitution. These rules are merely long standing rules of the Senate.
WashJeff on October 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Sounds like a perfectly legitimate maneuver to me. A bitter
Us folks in Nevada will determine Harry Red’s future in politics in 2010. I for one cannot wait.
VegasRick on October 7, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Unions can afford it. Give up giving millions to politicians and advertisers.
Simple.
AnninCA on October 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Very scary. Our Media sucks.
bridgetown on October 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Perhaps you should be working on your resume.
rjoco1 on October 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Not really.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. Just ask the Democrats from 2000-2008.
Keep going. Your Congress is SO POPULAR right now that they can afford to alienate themselves a little more from the will of the electorate.
Good Lt on October 7, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Say a prayer that the idiots who elected this criminal have wised up.
Think of the thrill of seeing him ousted by the electorate.
Hening on October 7, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Ed is right on target here – the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner – you won’t see the public option in the Senate Bill.
For them to find a way to pass a public option, given all the restrictions that the Democrats have placed on themselves to pay for it – well, it would be the equivalent of inventing a self-licking ice cream cone.
Just ain’t gonna happen.
A public option can only be paid for ONE WAY – and that’s the way the Europeans and the Canadians do it.
YOU RAISE TAXES ON ER’BODY.
HondaV65 on October 7, 2009 at 11:51 AM
The majority of American’s don’t want it, Moron. So cram it thru anyway regardless of what we want?
Knucklehead on October 7, 2009 at 11:52 AM
He’ll be back here next Novemeber wondering what the hell happend to Hope-n-Change as well.
Let the 21%ers go. They know not what they do, and that’s a political benefit to us.
Good Lt on October 7, 2009 at 11:53 AM
A government of the government, by the government and for the government. Screw the people, who cares about them?
Daggett on October 7, 2009 at 11:53 AM
quick, where’s my gun
Onager on October 7, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Why?
Good Lt on October 7, 2009 at 11:55 AM
The blogs, TalkRadio and FoxNews are essentially the ONLY ones presenting all angles of the news…and openly discussing what it means. This thread is a perfect example.
for example, the LameStreamMedia would have us believe that a bunch of Doctors showed up in white coats to the White House…and they were just “concerned physicians”. They were actually hand-picked activists, and hand-picked by HCA…a lobbying oragnization DIRECTLY tied to Obama
and the media will NOT look closely at Reid’s underhanded methods to slip the government takeover of health care down our throats!
maybe that’s why the FTC, U.N. and FCC are all looking to shut down free speech…including the blogs, TalkRadio and FoxNews.
Justrand on October 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Filibustering isn’t dissent. It’s just politics. Or are you comparing the 2.67 billion tea party marchers who just visited the nation’s capital to the noble dissenters who spent years blocking civil rights and ant-lynching legislation.
And, I’m pleased to see a group of elected officials with the courage to do what they think is right and then defend it on the campaign trail. A refreshing change.
Bleeds Blue on October 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Cram it through….or disguise it?!—-Either way, it’s still a pig.
Rovin on October 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM
ARNIE DOES NOT SUPPORT OBAMACARE!!! Fecking Dem liars
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=49080
Apologetic California on October 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I wasn’t really sure public option was truly dead until I saw that the Finance Committee insisted on waiting for the CBO results.
That was the real tell-tale sign.
Obama’s big message push will be deflated.
I am sure the CBO is going to shock people.
AnninCA on October 7, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Vote him OUT!!!
capejasmine on October 7, 2009 at 11:59 AM
I think I’ll call various Blue Dogs and tell them that I don’t care how they vote because I understand the game the Dems are playing, and if their party passes this nightmare, they will still be held accountable.
Patrick S on October 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Yeah, it will be a refreshing change for you when you have to change your drawers after you crap your pants when you see all those new taxes you’re going to be stuck paying.
Invest in Fruit of the Loom, you’re going to need them.
Knucklehead on October 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Says it all. The little worm KNOWS the polls say most people, even Democrats, hate this thing, yet he’s intent on cramming it down our throats. With representatives like this, who needs dictators?
If we have to fight this kind of radical subversiveness from here on out, this country’s in a heap of trouble.
petefrt on October 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM
The GOP has one choice in all these shenanigans -call it a travesty against Democracy, vow to roll it back when elected and walk out, using a liberal photo-op, say, like a wash bowl with the name Pontius Pilate on it and a guillotine in the background with a “let them eat arugula” sign on it. But then, I dream.
Don L on October 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Fixed it in the interests of accuracy for ya.
Patrick S on October 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Harry’s determined to achieve that single-digit approval rating for Congress. And with stupid actions like this, they’ll get there in no time flat.
kingsjester on October 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Maybe I’m not an expert on Senate rules, but can this really work? If a bill without a public option passed a cloture vote with 60 votes, wouldn’t the Senate have to vote on THAT bill, not a different one with the public option in it?
If a bill without a public option passed the Senate, if some Senators afterward wanted the public option, wouldn’t they have to introduce it as a SEPARATE bill, which could then be filibustered, and thereby killed if they couldn’t get all the Democrats and at least one Republican for cloture?
Steve Z on October 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM
We are on it!
VegasRick on October 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Sheppard Smith said that 60% of people are in favor of a public option on FOX yesterday.
rjl1999 on October 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM
I’m more concerned about what Rush has been saying will happen.
Reid has also been talking about putting the entire bill as an amendment on a House bill restricting pay for CEOs and executives of companies that received bailout money.
MobileVideoEngineer on October 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Knucklehead on October 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM
OH SNAP!
txag92 on October 7, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Filibustering is dissent. If the Democrat were filibustering, which they often threatened to do during the Bush Administration, you’d be praising it and reminding the party in power of the need to respect the rights of the minority and the need for checks and balances.
Now, its the Democrats who must be reminded that they’re there to SERVE ALL of the people, not simply to RULE AND LORD OVER the people who didn’t vote for them.
See, you don’t get to exist in a vacuum that started in January of this year. There was history BEFORE Obama, and we’re here to remind you of your side’s existence before Obama as well. Because you engaged in the very same tactics you condemned.
LOL
So – taxpayers protesting their government’s insane spending and rapid unchecked expansion in the midst of a depression it’s causing are RAAACCCIIIISSSTTSSSS?
Yawn. Never heard that one before. Where’s the NAZI accusation as well? You’re slipping.
I’m glad you like it.
See you next November. You’ll LOVE the change then.
Good Lt on October 7, 2009 at 12:08 PM
If they think it’s right, why would they use clever end runs around the process to make it happen?
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Public support is apparently increasing for ObamaCare. We are being worn down by the left. Get ready, because its coming.
You can also get ready for Crap & Tax and the hideous VAT (Value Added Tax) is coming, too.
This is a coup, and the left is winning.
Dave R. on October 7, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Could someone explain to me how they are able to offer amendments after the Senate has voted to end debate.
agmartin on October 7, 2009 at 12:16 PM
They desperately want to pass it.
But they need to figure out a way to protect the Blue Dogs.
They are counting on being able to deceive the independent and conservative elements in the Blue Dog’s districts.
They want to give the Blue Dogs the ability to say, “Hey, I didn’t vote for it.”
The tactic for this is to contact the Blue Dogs now and advise them that you are aware of the scam and will still hold their feet to the fire if any bill goes through.
justltl on October 7, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Good! If your company is taking taxpayer money to keep from going under, that is no time to be handing out fat checks to the top fatcats who’ve never had to worry about paying for groceries or rent for a day in their lives!
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Smith also said thousands drowned two days after Katrina struck and hundreds of bodies were piled up in the superdome. Smith is a bleeding heart liberal that Fox tolerates to stay “fair and balanced”.
Rovin on October 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 12:25 PM
I onder what you are going to be saying when the Pay Commie-Czar moves to limit what you can earn?
Dave R. on October 7, 2009 at 12:27 PM
I generally supported supported Democratic filibusters but I never thought of it as dissent. People who have power aren’t dissenters, and, D or R, that describes every member of the little club they call the Senate. If Republicans want to use extra-legal, extra-Constitutional rules to block legislation, then Dems can use it to pass it.
M
They do it because they think it’s right, but they want to do it in a way that gives their colleagues the most cover. Perfectly legal maneuver. And the voters will have their say. Just as God and James Madison and Bobby Byrd intended.
Bleeds Blue on October 7, 2009 at 12:31 PM
I stand corected; much appreciated.
Now, where is that phone book? Time to bring back a REAL filibuster!
Khun Joe on October 7, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Yeah like the filibuster.
Oh I forgot, it’s only legitimate to use the filibuster on supreme court justice nominations.
jhffmn on October 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM
The Democrats are attacking a plan to finance expanded health care by taxing expensive health insurance plans. The plan, sometimes cast as a tax on “Cadillac” plans, would in fact include the health care plans of many public employees and union members and has triggered a revolt from Obama’s labor supporters and their many allies on the Hill.
To make a general point on these HC plans: they are a part of total compensation. In other words, these workers have accepted less elsewhere to have these plans. I did sonmething similar. I had two job offeres. I took the one with post-retirement benefits and a larger 401k match vs. a bigger defined benefit pension plan and slightly more current salary. This was my decision. I am an insulin dependent diabetic. My choise, after dealing with my personal reality, was based on the following:
1) A higher DB pension payout was meaningless due to my substantially higher post-retirement mortality. Plus, being a single parent, my child would get zippo when I died.
2)A higher 401k match would build a larger 401k balance that I could leave to my family.
3) I have higher expected post-retirement medical needs. So the private plan will produce a higher life expectancy.
4) The salary difference didn’t adversly impact my lifestyle.
I chose the job that best suited my situation and better met my needs. In other words, HC plans are part of the total picture so taxing them in isolation implies all other financial aspects are identical. So, if now you say high dollar HC plans are evil and are taxed into oblivion – Will the salary structure increase to compensate?
Jed_Eckert on October 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Now that I support. I always thought the GOP should have forced the Dems to talk pre-2006.
WashJeff on October 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM
“Feel lucky, punk?”
Akzed on October 7, 2009 at 12:40 PM
The likelihood of me, or you, or most of the population ever becoming a CEO or CFO or a similarly filthy rich big-wig is incredibly slim. Why don’t you direct your ‘GOVURMET LIMITED PAY! OMG!!1!!11″ argument towards the insane amount of taxes payed by the average Joe and Jane? Why not ease their burdens?
And also, those whose business is directly funded by government money should be prepared to play by government rules, or do without the money.
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Gah – paid.
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 12:48 PM
..this, by the way, was NOT the tune this ass-clown was singin’ back when the Democrats filibustered against a Republican majority.
VoyskaPVO on October 7, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM
The basic issue is that the Government changed the rules after people agreed to play.
Jed_Eckert on October 7, 2009 at 12:51 PM
FIFY.
jhffmn on October 7, 2009 at 12:52 PM
If it’s right, you wouldn’t need “cover” for it. You could explain what you are doing and why you are doing it. That they are incapable of it suggests they know it’s not “right” at at all.
lorien1973 on October 7, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Well then, why didn’t you say that in the first place?
Something like that is a dirty trick no matter who plays it.
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 12:54 PM
It is by definition dissent (from the party in power), whether you consider it so or not. Then you’re a hypocrite.
Yes, they are. Pretending words don’t have meaning doesn’t then render them meaningless.
Democrats want to pass a sh*tty piece of crap in Congress. The GOP thinks it’s a bad idea and is DISSENTING against it and it’s propoments. One of the ways they can DISSENT is to filibuster.
The Democrats, so confident that this bill can stand alone on its merits LOL, want to avoid that instead of hunkering down and dealing with it. Because they’re soooo brave and confident that what they’re doing is right. Sooooo confident that they’re trying to shove this turd through the back door when they think nobody is looking. Now why would they do such a thing with legislation you claim is the most popular EVAH?
Because. It’s crap, they know it, they know they’re going to get the blame for the implosion of the HC system once ObamaCare is implemented, and they don’t want to own it.
Tough. They own it. You own it. It’s your Administration that’s doing all of this.
Bush is long gone. Obama is failing. Reality’s a bitch sometimes, isn’t it?
Good Lt on October 7, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Do you have me confused with someone else? I was speaking for myself, nobody else. My main issue is that the rules changed. This is the same as taxing “Caddilac plans” (see my post above). I have a major issue with Government deciding pay rates in private industry. For Government bids by private companies the Govt either pays an acceptable negotiated fee, or salary is dependent on the margins in the bid. Hence even with, ex. , military bids the Govt doesn’t directly control salary. The issue with the banks is gray area. I view it like a child moving home after blowing $50k in the first 3 months after college – OK, but now you play by my rules. For the banks that were forced to take TARP money without the need then the GOVt has no business dictating pay.
Jed_Eckert on October 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM
That’s what it was. Talk with never any intention of actually draining that swamp.
highhopes on October 7, 2009 at 1:09 PM
I’d know about it. I read the Examiner. ;) Not a bad conservative paper, really. And its handed out free each day to people hopping on/off the subways. :)
Highlar on October 7, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Bleeds Blue is one of those “liberals” who think they know better than the public. Congress is forcing through the state seizure of healthcare for our own good. We are too damned stupid to know what we should be doing so they’ll do it for us. It’s a paternalistic attitude that is more than a little offensive.
highhopes on October 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Anyone know the rules in West Virginia should Byrd retire to the great burning cross in the sky? Special election? An end around a la Massachusetts? An appointment immediately?
West Virginia has a democrat governor, that much I know.
SouthernGent on October 7, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Do you think people like Dave Letterman or Oprah are going to have to be covered by a public option plan? Or will they get to keep their current health care like we will?
scalleywag on October 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Just curious. If Robert Byrd meets his Maker this fall, what rules are in place for his replacement?
parteagirl on October 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Reid’s dying gasps?
jeanie on October 7, 2009 at 1:54 PM
My God, America is hovering on the brink right now. Look who is between our will going over the edge and into the valley-or not…I have no more fingernailsleft to chew…
lovingmyUSA on October 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Sooner or later the idiots in DC will come to understand that WE, The People have two things they must have:
VOTES and MONEY
2010
TN Mom on October 7, 2009 at 2:06 PM
the AP has officially notified Obama and the rest of us that is is ok to have HR3200 because the fever of the opposition has broken.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091007/ap_on_bi_ge/us_ap_poll_health_care
it their Morning in America
r keller on October 7, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I guess Harry has decided he doesn’t care about re-election and is going full in. Makes sense I guess, he’s toast no matter what. This way at least he gets a nice ambassadorship to St. Kitts as a thank you from Obama.
angryed on October 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Moron: 47% of Americans pay $0 income tax. The top 1% of people pays 40% of income. You sir are the very definition of a useful idiot.
angryed on October 7, 2009 at 2:48 PM
You really don’t get what is happening, do you?
Dave R. on October 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Ooh, it’s a scawy internet d**khead! I’m afwaid!
…not.
First of all – got an independent, reliable source or two to back up that retarded statement? Yeah. Thought not.\
Secondly, YOU are the (useless) idiot here. Even IF, as you say, nearly half of Americans don’t pay income taxes, that tax is only the tip of the iceberg. Almost every thing you buy and service you use has had costs jacked up by taxes.
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM
The government is saying “our money, our rules, and one of those rules is you can’t give the top honchos bonuses while we’re bailing out your business.”
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Yes it is. In the nuclear winter that will follow, the dhimmicrap party will come to it’s inescapable demise. A dhimmicrap won’t be able to be elected to the office of pond scum sniffer.
Blacksmith8 on October 7, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Can you hear me Ciro Rodriguez, Charlie Gonzalez, Sheila Jackson-Lee?
Blacksmith8 on October 7, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
Blacksmith8 on October 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Is this some yankee new fangled sex talk?
Blacksmith8 on October 7, 2009 at 3:55 PM
“our money, our rules”?
Um, got news for the Government…it’s OUR money, OUR rules. Without us, they got nothing. And frankly, I’ve been thinking for years that we need a really good tax revolt in this country. They pass this crap sandwich, I will declare myself an independent contractor and go off the f’in grid.
No more of my money.
tickleddragon on October 7, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Well I’ve only got one source and it’s not independent. Stupid Ass go look it up at the IRS.
btw does dark-star = dim bulb? just askin’?
Blacksmith8 on October 7, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Just one more thing: IT’S NOT THEIR MONEY!!!!
Blacksmith8 on October 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I’ve got the solution for all these folks that want the public option.
You pay for it. Let the rest of us opt out, and NOT pay for it.
I want to keep my insurance. I want the choice to look for my own doctors/practitioners. I want government OUT of my life. There are a few things that the Constitution give as responsibilities to this government. Those are the only ones they should have.
Get OUT of my life, or I will fight it out.
tickleddragon on October 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM
You’re right, I should have been more specific. It is taxpayer money, and they are supposed to watch that it is used wisely when used to bail out a company…and I doubt that being given as bonuses for people who are already well-to-do is a very good use.
That’s not good for your case, then.
My, I do love the eloquence demonstrated by my fellow ‘conservatives’ when I dare to disagree.
FYI, for what little it’s worth to you, my username was one I made up long ago – I forget my exact train of thought but something along the line that our ‘city on a hill’ was becoming a dim light.
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 4:20 PM
RedState is saying the Senate GOP morons are folding on health care and will NOT filibuster a health care bill — time to melt the phone lines. Link: Senate GOP Folding Over Health Care Reform
MaureenTheTemp on October 7, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Come on guys and gals, can’t we stop using the term ‘progressive’?
Use the proper term: ‘STATIST’
Sapwolf on October 7, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Well gee, once everyone knows what he is up to,how can Reid possibly pull this off?
Terrye on October 7, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Just called Voinovich’s office.
If this government-controlled healthcare plan passes we’re f*cked.
The GOP will have gone closer to triggering a third party.
Sapwolf on October 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM
If ObamaCare passes, that will all be for naught, and the only ‘triggering’ able to make any sort of difference will be the kind that requires bullets. Barring a race-specific epidemic, we’ll NEVER be able to undo the mantra of “evil rich white men are trying to take your free healthcare!!!!!” We’re just too outnumbered.
Dark-Star on October 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM
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