Video: The light bulb goes … off
posted at 12:15 pm on October 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
I blame all of our woes on Thomas Edison. If he hadn’t insisted on creating the first practical incandescent light bulb, why, we all would still be living in a Luddite paradise, albeit a dark one. We could still burn oil lamps — er, no, that throws off carbon, too. How about candles? Better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness, after all. And that’s true, as long as it’s a single candle, and not a bunch of them, or your carbon footprint might equal that of Godzilla, or Al Gore, whichever is bigger.
Nick Gillespie at Reason takes a critical look at the abolitionist movement aiming at Edison’s world-changing invention, and the poor replacement that bureaucrats will leave us:
In September, the European Union banned the sale of 100-watt incandescent light bulbs, with lawbreakers facing up to $70,000 in fines. Over the next few years, bans on lower-wattage bulbs kick in. In the United States, similar legislation comes into play in 2012. The idea is to kickstart the market for compact fluorescent lights (CFLs), which use less energy than conventional incandescents. Although CFLs present any number of problems (even beyond a much higher initial cost), governments all over the globe are determined to make them the new standard.
Invented in its modern form by Thomas Edison in 1879, the light bulb became synonymous with a brilliant idea. Now, it seems, it’s just one more symbol of a nanny state that increasingly dictates more choices in our public and private lives.
Two years ago, I began replacing my incandescents with CFLs, mostly to help save energy and replacement costs. Reason correctly states that CFLs give off an inferior level and quality of light and do not work with dimmers, which actually helps reduce the energy costs of incandescents. But the biggest problem with CFLs is not the noticeably poorer quality of the light, but the clean-up they require when they break, as I wrote a year and a half ago:
What happens when an incandescent bulb hits the floor? Simple: sweep it up, and try not to step on a shard of glass with bare feet. Here’s how people need to handle a broken CFL:
1. Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
2. Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.
3. Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
4. Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
5. Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes and place them in the glass jar or plastic bag.
6. Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.
7. Immediately place all cleanup materials outside the building in a trash container or outdoor protected area for the next normal trash.
8. Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing cleanup materials.
9. Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states prohibit such trash disposal and require that broken and unbroken lamps be taken to a recycling center.
10. For at least the next few times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming.
11. Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.
In other words, we’re saving a few pennies at best on energy costs with CFLs over incandescents — and in return, making our homes potential toxic-waste areas and polluting landfills with mercury. It’s an insane policy that can only be justified by radical environmentalist lunatics.
Update: While on the subject of environmental lunacy, watch what happens when a journalist tries to ask a few tough questions of activists:
The Age Of Stupid preaches the doomsday scenario of human extinction by 2055 and says humans will be to blame for their own demise because they fly too much. But Franny Armstong, director of The Age of Stupid, and many of the people at the movie’s premiere flew to New York for the party. Phelim [McAleer] put them on the spot for flying while trying to deny that travel right to others.
His pointed questions didn’t sit well with the organizers of the event or the environmentalists who attended. The film makers and their security team ejected Phelim despite the fact that he had journalistic credentials to cover the event and had done exactly what journalists are supposed to do — ask probing questions.
As Phelim tried to continue his reporting from the sidelines, the security team repeatedly blocked his camera and his view of the environmentalists headed into the premiere.
The Age of Stupid, indeed.










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On my boat I’m going with all LED’s… Close to a 75% drop in amp usage…Btw I’m building my own…I ordered the basic LED’s from Mouser Electronics…It’s just a matter reducing the voltage…DC of course.
jerrytbg on October 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Dang it! I mean 120V AC, normal household current.
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Well, this is typical of the CFL advocates. Just blow off the real, potential problems that those bulbs have (imagine if all of those mercury-filled bulbs happened to leak in a water reservoir) and justify their existence with generalities and platitudes. Your name says it all.
ICBMMan on October 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM
I’ve been stockpiling incandescents, halogens and ammo since January 20, 2009.
I refuse to use those stupid CFL’s and have enough real bulbs to last me at least 20 years.
If all else fails, I can always trade them (or a box of ammo) for a beaver pelt when I go off the grid!
Flyboy on October 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
…..And you voted for obama..Quit licking the lightbulbs, dummy. They’re not an ice cream cone!
HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
I applaud the effort.
jerrytbg on October 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Nope, not a chance. You don’t see them giving up flying to film on location, either, do you? Environmentalism for thee, but not for me….
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Where are you getting your CFLs? The Home Depot ones suck.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM
I’ve never replaced one and I started installing them 3 years ago. I don’t replace incandescents willy-nilly, though. I wait for them to burn out.
CDeb on October 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM
DC is more expensive to wire in many cases and some appliances don’t run on it.
I thought about it when I was building my cabin. I stopped, and stopp all electrical on it (it is built now I have to work on inside) as I can’t find a DC outage fridge or oven that isn’t sky high to buy.
I think I am going to get a pot bellied cast iron stove for my “stove” and just deal with no electricity and build a “cold pit” for food that needs refridgeration.
The advantages of Alaska… endless trees and permafrost.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM
You’re 100% right on that one! We’re only planning to use it for lighting.
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
The house we rent was built in 1942. One of the kitchen cabinets is still tin-lined — it was originally the icebox. Now that’s old tech! :-)
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Mostly Sam’s CLub.
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
My experience is that some fraction of the CFLs fail quickly (there isn’t actually anything to burn out, so I guess they are probably leaking), while the rest can go on for extended amounts of time.
Mostly I just got them because I don’t like spending money on air conditioning, and they don’t heat up the room the way incandescent bulbs can.
Count to 10 on October 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM
I tried the one shaped like a barrel and decided they had a few generations to go before they got it right. Just now getting used to the LED flashlights.
Time to waste a potato, or two.
The way the CFL’s are going over just wait until folks hear what it will take to run the DC circuit you referenced. Even the wiring in new homes is a mess.
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Question, are ANY CFLs built in America?
Or, as I’ve read before, are we outsourcing out light to China and India?
Romeo13 on October 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM
becareful with old tin… it has lead in it.
Good thing my little cabin is little. I am thinking about doing a solar panel. And Solar panel is DC powered mainly. As is wind power (and there is a lot of wind at my cabin) so that is an option as well.
But when you have a choice like going on the grid, or being gridless… you think about what you have now compared to what you don’t need. I would love a working fridge, but the solar panel and wind turbine would mainly be used for that ONE appliance.
And you always wonder how people back int he day made it… and if you could do the same? If anything ever happens.. most of the world is dead. Who cares about light bulbs then.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM
So you are proably using GE or Sylvania. The Home Depot does not carry name brand CFLs, only there store brand. Maybe I will try the GE bulbs.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
They nearly burnt my house down.
There cool and save on your electric bill, but who cares if your house is a pile of ashes.
http://deadenders.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/watt-the-cfl-walmarts-trying-to-kill-me/
deadenders on October 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
I only know of one and they are sold at Fred Meyer but I don’t remember the name.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Me too…hoarding light bulbs…
HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
With LED’s using 1/10th the power of incandescents, you could afford to run all your lights off of a single circuit.
You could use a single 50VDC supply to power the whole house, less than $100 and 95+% efficient.
You could also have a cheap step down transformer with a full wave rectifier and capacitor as a back up incase the good supply goes down. (Modern power supplies are very reliable.)
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
I’m thinking they are GE, I’ll have to open up a fixture when I get home to check.
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM
I agree with both of you on wiring an entire house with DC..
However …when it comes to lighting with LED’s it’s pennies on the dollar in comparision to 120V AC…
jerrytbg on October 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM
WHOA! Talk about scarey! I am glad your house didn’t burn down.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM
I usually just break off the glass, then use a pair of pliars to grab and twist what’s left of the base. Double checking to be sure the power is off first, of course.
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Businesses have been using fluorescent bulbs for well over fifty years, yet I don’t remember anyone complaining about the environmental impact they cause. Now all the sudden the political right is taking up the environmental approach in an attempt to poo-poo CFLS. Kinda hilarious if you ask me. Right wing environmentalists?…hahahaha.
Raise your hand if you ever had a javelin throwing contest with fluorescent tube bulbs, or just smashed a few for the hell of it? Well, according to the right, you just created a Super Fund site!
CFLs have their drawbacks, but the energy savings far outweigh them all. Do the math. For 23 watts of electricity you get 100 watt equivalent light output.
Right now they are the most practical standard light bulb available, till somebody comes up with something better. I’ve been using them since 9-11. I’ve only had to replace three of them in that 8 year span, whereas I would have replaced at least 20 incandescent bulbs in that time.
I’ve saved myself alot of money, since I like a well lit home. What I don’t like about CFLs is they don’t usually break, but they do get dimmer over the span of a few years. Also they interfere with some of my electric guitar effects. And incandescent light is just better light for indoors. I have 6 outdoor lights under my soffits and each has a 13 watt CFL in them. That’s only 78 watts of electricity to light the outside of my house up and they look great.
OxyCon on October 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM
potatoes work and you won’t shock yourself.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Racist!
AsianGirlInTights on October 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM
I’ve found the PERFECT replacement for my incandescent bulbs used for exterior lighting…. I save ALL the oil from changing oil in the cars and boat. The I place it in torches around the house to provide exterior lighting. I take a blow torch and light them….
In order to keep the smell of burning oil outside the house, I open all he windows and turn my A/C down to 65.
CC
AHHAHAHAHA Good times!!
NJ Red on October 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM
When buying CFLs (we call them “Gorbs”) you have to pay attention to the color temperature more than when buying incandescents. If you like “cool white,” color temperature will be around 4100k. The higher the k reading, the “bluer” the light will be; the lower the k, the light will be more yellow.
We display art, and the CFLs really screwed us up until we got the color temperature thing down.
itsacookbook on October 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM
I keep my A/C at 45 to keep my beer cold while it’s in my hand…… :)
HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Sorry, CDeb, I don’t think the purpose of my question was clear. Let me re-ask it: now that we know of the severe problems that CFLs pose, why do you and others still have them installed? Do you plan on going back to incandescents?
My point is that while many on this blog and others nod their heads in agreement about how idiotic it is to buy these bulbs and use them, they presently use them in their own homes.
I have to say that it’s a little hypocritical.
ICBMMan on October 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Every facial line and wrinkle looks way worse in anything but incandescent.
No fluorescents after 40!
marybel on October 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM
curiousity is the main reason why people do it.
You don’t think? And when it actually isn’t working i.e. time, brightness, color, the fact that it is dangerous if it breaks…. makes people say no.
Hypocritical, I think you are going a little past the critical stage.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM
I’ll do that in my own house where I know the wiring and maybe somewhere else if I have my voltage detector handy. But I’ve seen way to many backwards wired sockets and switches to even stick my Klein’s in an unknown socket.
And its not the cost of the power supply that would put off making a dedicated circuit, it is making that circuit that is going to cost.
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Nah… a pair of Grp 31 deep cycle batt’s and a 100W solar panel…gives you a 100+ amp hrs using 50% discharge rule…
How many 1/10th amp LED’s could you run…
This gives the basic system to expand with over time…
Not to mention the exp you get in understanding how it all works…
jerrytbg on October 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM
You people are nuts.
I replaced all my bulbs with CFLs over 3 years ago. ALL are still burning brightly.
The amount of mercury in these bulbs will fit on the head of a pin. Who’s afraid of a little mercury?
faraway on October 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM
me.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Maxlite makes the best CFL’s (I refuse to buy GE). They have no flicker (as I have migraines) and they have a very white light close to day light. However, I won’t put them in the bathroom as they will still make you look jaundiced.
moonsbreath on October 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM
My husband went out and purchased two lamps while I was recouperating from surgery…..he also brought a box of CFLs.
Let’s just say the bomb that went off in our home was probably seen in Japan….
I explained the Mercury issue:
I told him to use gloves when he opened the package, that he should vacuum out the Jeep because it probably has Mercury in it because of his purchase, hell just wash the entire Jeep, just in case…
I told him that he needed to go and take a shower right away since he was IN THE AISLE of these little Mercury bombs….
I told him that he also needed to call the county clerk and change his political affiliation to democrat for bringing those greeny bulbs into our home.
Yes, I am evil and my husband is very aware of that, so he packed up the bulb, after establishing that the light ‘sucked’ and we will be returning them to the store.
HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM
My wife works in the insurance business and there are a lot of fires started by these Chinese poison pods. We have had a few of these go bad in our own home and it is kind of scary when you pull them out see the scorching and stink that they make. I buy a few extra regular bulbs whenever I go to the store. With the price of gas maybe going through the roof you might need them to help keep you warm in the winter.
jistincase on October 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Stand up. Stand up, my dear brethren. Put away your fear of mercury.
faraway on October 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM
damn, just something else for me to stockpile. the plain old lightbulb.
does anyone know how to stockpile chocolate? my husband says i won’t need it because we’ll be in the dark & just be having sex all the time, but i don’t know….
kelley in virginia on October 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM
hmmm If it’s dark, you may be having sex all the time.
/ little man
faraway on October 6, 2009 at 2:39 PM
I know I’m sounding critical, but I don’t really know how to word my viewpoint, otherwise.
There is the ongoing argument that office buildings and shopping centers went to the fluorescent tubes for lighting, and consequently, we’ve been putting mercury in our water supply ever since, or so the implied conclusion states. Liberals and RINOs have already made that argument, and they claim that conservatives are only targeting after CFLs because of the environmentalist’s lobby behind them. While I understand that argument, they’re also leaving out several facts, such as CFLs containing more mercury than tubes because of their compact size…oh, and the more pressing argument: tubes are not being mandated while banning incandescents.
This is cliche, but people say that curiosity killed the cat. In this case, all of you that bought CFLs didn’t necessarily make the incandescent bulb ban happen, but I think you indirectly contributed to it. Now, it will be impossible to reverse the ban, unless strong conservatives are elected in 2012 to Congress, and maybe they can repeal the ban.
I agree that the CFL bulb option can be made available in the marketplace, and it is important that people are allowed the right to decide if the bulb would be beneficial for their household. But I believe it is absolute horses–t to be told that all consumers HAVE to buy it…for ze glory of ze planet.
ICBMMan on October 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM
In general I agree. But most people bought them to “save” not realizign the problems associated later.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I wonder if anyone has considered that the CFLs are obviously more complex to manufacture. ie many more components and more complex components. (unless you consider a tungsten filament complex).
So, all of those components require energy to manufacture, transport and assemble into the final product.
Also, if I break an edison bulb, I get out the vac and clean up the glass, except for the inevetible piece I will step on with bare feet.
Howerver, with the algordumbulb, when that breaks, we need to expend a lot more in materials and energy to properly clean up the mercury.
Besides, can uncle fester generate the voltage to light up a mercury filled dim bulb??
bullseye on October 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Exactly. And therein lies the problem.
You do realize that one drop of mercury can contaminate 100 gallons of water, right?
ICBMMan on October 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM
The CFL craze is another example of the political idiots latching on to some “solution” to a problem when it is a poor solution at best. The mercury issue in CFL’s should be enough to make the enviros reject them outright, but somehow the global warming maniacs have decided that CFL’s are the solution and incandescent bulbs are evil.
If those in power really wanted a good solution they would promote more research in LED bulbs. LED bulbs are making good progress, but are still in their technology infancy as far as replacing regular bulbs. Once the technology is advanced, they will be much better than CFL bulbs; better light quality, higher efficiency, longer life, price competitive, and no mercury!
By the way, CFL light hurts my eyes, so what the heck am I supposed to do when incandescent bulbs are outlawed and LED bulbs are not quite there yet? Take aspirin every day?
Snidely Whiplash on October 6, 2009 at 2:54 PM
The loon toon, frog licking, Gaia worshipers only offer the world dissonance, hypocrisy & platitudes.
The whole Gaia worship movement is about POWER. Their POWER and how they can subdue the rest of the populace.
locomotivebreath1901 on October 6, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Okay, let me get this straight, CFL’s are an evil, chi-com conspiracy to take away our God given right to freedom of illumination (unless your choice for illumination is CFL’s, in which you are part of the conspiracy and a green, Gore-lovin’ lefty to boot) and poison us all while burning down our houses. Even though nobody was worried about the tube version that has been in our homes offices and schools for generations, or all the other sources of mercury.
And we must stockpile all forms of incandescent bulbs even though not all incandescent bulbs will be banned.
Love em’ or hate em’, I don’t care. Banning them is wrong, but don’t hate the folks who like them.
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Every person’s light source should be a portrait of Obama hanging in ther living room.
Grafted on October 6, 2009 at 2:58 PM
We slept too long. The Obama radical liberals will do permanent damage to our country.
GaltBlvnAtty on October 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Semi-OT: I recommend staying away from LED Christmas lights if you are in area that receivesd snow. LEDs Christmas lights have steel leads, not copper like the traditional Christmas lights. Steel rusts. Rust does not conduct electricity. Rusty LEDs will not light and you are NOT going to remove the rust from the leads each season.
LED lights inside the house…go for it.
LED lights outside the house (assumming snow)…stay away.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Walmart.
Mangy Scot on October 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Several years ago, I switched my 1924-built home to all CFLs. It was awesome because of how much it reduced the stress on the electrical system – fewer blown circuits when i ran the window AC unit & the TV. I knew they had mercury in them but I assumed incorrectly that it was in the base, contained. Thank goodness that when I broke one, I didn’t have kids (probably poisoned myself a bit, but no more damage than usual :)
The home I have purchased since has a dimmer on 90% of the switches. Plus, the areas that are hard to replace (shower stall), the CFLs lasted 4 months. I have a few CFLs, but generally don’t work well in my home.
Please Nanny, may I still use incandescent? I promise to turn the lights off when i leave the room.
mdenis39 on October 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM
I have no idea whether or not Proud RINO is a troll but if I were a RINO I certainly wouldn’t be proud of it.
beachgirlusa on October 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM
You must sell aspirin.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM
My brother told me a story about how his 10yr old girl came home from school badgering him about how much energy and money they would save if they switched to CFLs. My brother’s reply, “How much do you think we would save if you turned the lights off when you leave the room?”
She was silenced and not amused.
mdenis39 on October 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM
LOL Not a bad trade-off, if a trade-off there must be….
beachgirlusa on October 6, 2009 at 3:01 PM
My own experience with Compact Fluorescent Light bulbs has been mixed. They do last a LOT longer than incandescent bulbs for what is considered to be the equivalent luminosity, and I’ve probably saved about 30% on my electric bill since replacing my incandescent bulbs. I’ve only had one burn out in the past year.
However, they don’t put out as much light as what their manufacturers claim is the equivalent incandescent bulb–you probably need a 23-watt CFL (“equivalent” to a 100-watt incandescent bulb) to get as much light as a 60-watt incandescent bulb, at least at first. Many of them start out dim when they are first turned on, then gradually get brighter over a period of 5 to 10 minutes. This can be a problem if a person wants to turn on a lamp in an office and do close work right away, unless you plan to turn the light on 10 minutes ahead of time.
I haven’t faced the massive cleanup problem for a broken CFL yet, but it doesn’t sound like fun if it occurs in winter. If you need to thoroughly air out the room with outdoor air at 15 degrees F to disperse the mercury, the fuel required to reheat the room might outweigh a month’s worth of electricity savings.
CFL packages are also harder to open than those of incandescent bulbs, presumably to protect them against breakage during shipment, but a person usually needs a good strong pair of scissors to open them, with the risk of accidentally cutting into the CFL and releasing mercury.
The last figure I read was that a CFL contains about 5 milligrams of mercury, and the toxic standard for mercury in air is 0.2 milligrams per cubic meter. If a CFL bulb breaks, the mercury must be diluted in at least 25 cubic meters (883 cubic feet) of air, about as much air as in a 10 ft x 10 ft x 8 ft bedroom. Even with all windows open, a typical room will exchange its air with the outside about once every two hours, and it would take about 4 1/2 hours to get the mercury concentration down to 10% of the toxic limit. So, if a CFL breaks indoors, shut all doors to the room, open all windows, and stay out for at least 5 hours, then clean up the bulb and pay to re-heat the room to a comfortable temperature.
Steve Z on October 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM
I to have a stash of regular incandescent bulbs…and just about everything else I need to live when the economy and society crashes and burns. (While Obama fiddles…)
I am prepared to keep what is mine in that event.
I am among those that feel…better to have a condom and not need it than need one and not have it.
faraway
Get some facts before you attempt to defend that which you clearly have no knowledge of…
How much money does it take to screw in a compact fluorescent light bulb? About $4.28 for the bulb and labor — unless you break the bulb. Then you, like Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine, could be looking at a cost of about $2,004.28, which doesn’t include the costs of frayed nerves and risks to health.
The DEP sent a specialist to Bridges’ house to test for mercury contamination. The specialist found mercury levels in the bedroom in excess of six times the state’s “safe” level for mercury contamination of 300 billionths of a gram per cubic meter. The DEP specialist recommended that Bridges call an environmental cleanup firm, which reportedly gave her a “low-ball” estimate of $2,000 to clean up the room. The room then was sealed off with plastic and Bridges began “gathering finances” to pay for the $2,000 cleaning. Reportedly, her insurance company wouldn’t cover the cleanup costs because mercury is a pollutant.
In the past…recent past…I’ve replaced some of my incandescent bulbs with those crappy little CFLs. They don’t last worth a damn and I couldn’t see worth a damn by them either.
Army Brat on October 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM
My daughter used to leave the hall light on all the time. I got tired of reminding her, so I bought LED bulbs and put them in that fixture. At three watts, I figured she could leave the light on without running up the electric bill. Now the light is so dim she doesn’t even bother turning it on. Problem solved.
Mangy Scot on October 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Yeah that is really going to work with us “Northern States” at 10 degrees or lower.
Can we say busted pipes?
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Well, I have now found a joint venture to my organ harvesting business on E-bay……
Starting 2012, I will have 100W Reveal Incandescent Bulbs……starting bid $100 for a box of FOUR!
HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM
gIRL–YOU CRACK ME UP! :)
lovingmyUSA on October 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Similar question that I ask on drug prohibition threads:
Why was an amendment needed to ban alcohol, but one is NOT needed to ban incandescent light bulbs?
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM
All hale Thomas Edison!
http://www.centennialbulb.org/
Burn this, Pelosi!
TexasJew on October 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM
I have one of those mercury infested light bulbs and I have to say that it works pretty damn well. Hopefully I never break it but it gives off enough light and seems like it will never burn out.
Having said that, the government has no business meddling in yet another market. Idiots. Do they prefer we start killing whales again for their blubber to power our oil lamps?
Daemonocracy on October 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Had the same thing happen last year, in a table lamp. Was right there to watch it. The base got hot, began to sputter, glowed red and smoked, and then welded itself into the socket before I could turn it off,.
So now there is a box full of CFL’s in the basement and a hoard of incan’s in the closet.
These things ARE fire hazards, in my humble opinion.
Yoop on October 6, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Great!
The actress who played one of my favorite TV characters, FBI agent Scully, turns out to be a complete moron in real life.
What is in the latte out there?
Freaks!
Sapwolf on October 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Flyboy on October 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
You are not alone….
Also, are there any CFL’s that are made in America? Or are the all made in China?
Koa on October 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM
You know what, I’ll be honest with you, the only way this suppression of speech can be stopped is by having about 10 to 20 huge bouncer types, a few Marines, Seals, etc. protecting the rights of those of us who wish to ask difficult questions.
Can you imagine what would happen if one of these hippie dreks put his hand up to shield a camera held by a former Navy Seal? And when the police come over to find out what’s going on – specifically, why is the hippie laying on the ground bleeding profusely from every orb on his body – they can simply say, “He assaulted me while I tried to do my job and I protected myself, that’s all there is to it, officer.”
These pigs will continue to do this kind of stuff, whether it’s at a “Environmentalist” meeting or some other left-wing “consciousness raising” wing ding, until we start making them pay a price for doing it.
STOP LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH IT, OR IT WILL NEVER STOP!!!
Joe Pyne on October 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Or, would EPA regulations allow CFLs to be made in America?
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I use both. TomE’s bulbs burned out fast in the garage and the exterior lightings. Replacing them with the CFLs worked beautifully. But a 100w CFL is murder to read by, so I still get 200w and 3-ways for those purposes. Also have the big brass chandilier that uses tear-drop bulbs – gotta stock up on those.
CFLs sell themselves for many applications and are utterly worthless in others. Making them the law is just stoopid.
Kinda like low flow toilets and shower heads. My kids teachers make a big deal about conserving water and the sweetums bring this nonsense home. I tell them, “you live in a river valley – why do you need to conserve water?”
Sometimes I think liberals do these things just so they can yell, “Jump” at us and watch us do it.
Cricket624 on October 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM
The hamfisted, carbon-footprint nannies of the Gaia-cult never attempt to quantify the additional fugitive emissions of atmospheric mercury associated with CFL manufacture.
Mercury poisoning in third world CFL plants is precisely the kind of environmental injustice that Obama’s benighted czar Van Jones bemoans here.
/hypocrisy on stilts
Terp Mole on October 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Ding-ding-ding-ding!
Winnah!
Oldnuke on October 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Apparently the Liberal/Wacko/Environmental criteria for a “good idea” is that it be:
1. Radically different from whatever has been working fine for a hundred years or more.
2. Forced upon society by people who have absolutely no knowledge of the subject. (Anyone with actual education or experience is branded an “industry tool”)
3. Way more expensive than any previous solution. This is the Liberal way of getting everyone to pay Penance for not being Liberal enough.
landlines on October 6, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Fluorescents of any kind give the wife a headache because of the pulsing effect. Most folks don’t notice them but after her brain injury(car accident from a mental patient probably high on something), she cannot live in that kind of environment. Stocking up on incandescents and when their used up, I’m loading up the rifles and going politician hunting :) I’m sick to death of the Marxist crap these idiot elitists are forcing upon us. I would rather die defending my rights defined in the constitution than live under their boot. I’m betting, I’m not the only one who will be losing their cool in the near future.
larvcom on October 6, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Radical Environmentalist Lunatics = Marxist Socialist Fascist
… and this crap is being force fed to our kids in public schools.
Seven Percent Solution on October 6, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Does that mean that everyone who bought a fuel efficient car instead of an SUV, is responsible for the CAFE standard?
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM
If LED lights last as long as the red light LED’s that I used to buy for my home projects, they should last 100,000 hours. That’s almost 12 years, being left on 24/7.
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 4:53 PM
The one’s that I bought, look pretty well sealed to me.
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 4:54 PM
I wouldn’t say directly responsible, but they contributed to it. Think about it. The government and the jerks at GE or Government Motors will use consumer numbers to determine if there are enough suckers that will buy their crappy products.
By buying products like CFLs and Priuses (or its equivalent), these people give credence to the premise behind the creation of those products.
ICBMMan on October 6, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Still an inferior bulb and does not work with dimmers either, LED bulbs are a non-toxic alternative to CFL’s. They cost more but last even longer and use even less energy than CFL’s. They work best as task lighting like under cabinet lighting or canister lighting as they are not as bright as incandescent or CFL’s. They are difficult to find too.
If this ban really goes into effect, LED’s are the dirrection I will go.
lwssdd on October 6, 2009 at 4:56 PM
So the marketplace is socialist now?
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Aren’t we all missing the point here?
The federal govt is telling us what kind of lightbulbs we are ALLOWED to use. Similar to the debate (and subsequent banning) of CFC-based freon, they did this based on unsound (to say the least) science. They didn’t care. They did it anyway. And we let them. Again.
Soft tyranny is still tyranny. If we allow them to make such mundane decisions for us, as frequently as we are allowing them to do it, they are getting the clear message that they can do any damn thing they want. And they can.
runawayyyy on October 6, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Live Free. Or Die. For your Incandescents?
Come on. Embrace the mercury.
faraway on October 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM
MME.
Morons Making Excuses.
profitsbeard on October 6, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Maybe this is why the BO administration & Congress are insane.
They suffer from Hg poisoning.
Badger40 on October 6, 2009 at 5:11 PM
And meanwhile, out here in the stix of BFE I require a heavy duty pick-up for outdoor work & so I am punished bcs of this.
And so those dependent upon the technology of the incandescent bulb where there is no other working alternative will be punished as well.Govt solutions: they work so well.
/sarc
Badger40 on October 6, 2009 at 5:13 PM
My 5th grade teacher brought in an aquarium filled with mercury. We were tickled when we put our hands in it and nothing stuck to them as we pulled our hands out.
It didn’t effect me at all. But, I wasn’t very good at baseball afterwards for some reason.
faraway on October 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Hmm. I thought I was the only person on the planet who went through CFL’s as fast as I used to go through incandescent bulbs. I don’t see any benefit. Period. Want energy savings? Unplug your chargers when you’re not using them. Same with your LCD or plasma TV, your computer, etc…put them on a power strip, and shut them off when you’re not using them. You’ll save more than you ever will by turning your house into a HazMat zone.
uncivilized on October 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Not everybody. The law is dumb. There are also lots of inventors trying to figure out how to make incandescent bulbs efficient enough to avoid the ban. Contrary to what most of the CFL haters have stated here, not all incandescent bulbs will be banned. And the ban will not even take effect for all bulbs under the ban at the same time.
If there is an outcry from “Joe Sixpack” when he finally understands how the ban will affect him, how much do you want to bet the ban will be pushed back until it no longer matters and quietly goes away.
As far as I know, no ban in a free market has gone into effect. 2010 will be a year to watch though. And will foretell what happens in North America in 2012
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Than I have got to stop buying Home Depot sh*t!!!
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Ahh it’s only dangerous when it vaporizes in the air.
Or you ingest it.
Playing around with it for a bit is no big deal.
Badger40 on October 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Send your light bulbs to Washington!
Improper disposal of compact fluorescent light bulbs is very dangerous to your family and to the environment. In some states, it is illegal to put these light bulbs in your trash.
It’s easy to dispose of compact fluorescent light bulbs properly. Just send them to your Senator or Congressman in Washington. Or send them to the EPA.
You can find your Senator’s mailing addresses for your Senators and Congressman at http://www.SendYourLightBulbsToWashington.com
Or send your used light bulbs to EPA headquarters in Washington:
Environmental Protection Agency
Ariel Rios Building
1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20460
Isn’t your family’s health worth the small postage cost? Don’t you want to help save the planet from this environmental nightmare? You’ll sleep better at night knowing your deadly mercury-containing light bulbs are with the experts in our nation’s capital. Send your light bulbs to Washington!
daveundis on October 6, 2009 at 5:27 PM
No, not all of us. You are correct this is tyranny plain and simple. This issue is not about whether these light bulbs are good for the environment, or give off better light for less money. It’s about freedom. Freedom of choice, freedom from government interference. The very things our ancestors fled their homes to escape. The very concepts that over the years they have fought and died to preserve. What gives the government the right to tell me, or you, that I cannot use whichever light bulb I want. What’s next telling me what I can or can’t eat? Oh Wait…They’re already doing that. Save energy, why? If it’s available and I can afford it why shouldn’t I use it? You can’t save energy, you can only change the rate at which it becomes unavailable for use and we can’t actually affect that much. Trust me the universe will not notice what kind of lightbulb we use nor will it care. There is more energy available than we could ever imagine using all we have to do is tap it in whatever form we can find it. It’s there for the taking. Save energy, only a feeling non thinking progressive could even imagine such a concept.
Oldnuke on October 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM
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