Video: The light bulb goes … off
posted at 12:15 pm on October 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
I blame all of our woes on Thomas Edison. If he hadn’t insisted on creating the first practical incandescent light bulb, why, we all would still be living in a Luddite paradise, albeit a dark one. We could still burn oil lamps — er, no, that throws off carbon, too. How about candles? Better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness, after all. And that’s true, as long as it’s a single candle, and not a bunch of them, or your carbon footprint might equal that of Godzilla, or Al Gore, whichever is bigger.
Nick Gillespie at Reason takes a critical look at the abolitionist movement aiming at Edison’s world-changing invention, and the poor replacement that bureaucrats will leave us:
In September, the European Union banned the sale of 100-watt incandescent light bulbs, with lawbreakers facing up to $70,000 in fines. Over the next few years, bans on lower-wattage bulbs kick in. In the United States, similar legislation comes into play in 2012. The idea is to kickstart the market for compact fluorescent lights (CFLs), which use less energy than conventional incandescents. Although CFLs present any number of problems (even beyond a much higher initial cost), governments all over the globe are determined to make them the new standard.
Invented in its modern form by Thomas Edison in 1879, the light bulb became synonymous with a brilliant idea. Now, it seems, it’s just one more symbol of a nanny state that increasingly dictates more choices in our public and private lives.
Two years ago, I began replacing my incandescents with CFLs, mostly to help save energy and replacement costs. Reason correctly states that CFLs give off an inferior level and quality of light and do not work with dimmers, which actually helps reduce the energy costs of incandescents. But the biggest problem with CFLs is not the noticeably poorer quality of the light, but the clean-up they require when they break, as I wrote a year and a half ago:
What happens when an incandescent bulb hits the floor? Simple: sweep it up, and try not to step on a shard of glass with bare feet. Here’s how people need to handle a broken CFL:
1. Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
2. Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.
3. Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
4. Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
5. Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes and place them in the glass jar or plastic bag.
6. Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.
7. Immediately place all cleanup materials outside the building in a trash container or outdoor protected area for the next normal trash.
8. Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing cleanup materials.
9. Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states prohibit such trash disposal and require that broken and unbroken lamps be taken to a recycling center.
10. For at least the next few times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming.
11. Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.
In other words, we’re saving a few pennies at best on energy costs with CFLs over incandescents — and in return, making our homes potential toxic-waste areas and polluting landfills with mercury. It’s an insane policy that can only be justified by radical environmentalist lunatics.
Update: While on the subject of environmental lunacy, watch what happens when a journalist tries to ask a few tough questions of activists:
The Age Of Stupid preaches the doomsday scenario of human extinction by 2055 and says humans will be to blame for their own demise because they fly too much. But Franny Armstong, director of The Age of Stupid, and many of the people at the movie’s premiere flew to New York for the party. Phelim [McAleer] put them on the spot for flying while trying to deny that travel right to others.
His pointed questions didn’t sit well with the organizers of the event or the environmentalists who attended. The film makers and their security team ejected Phelim despite the fact that he had journalistic credentials to cover the event and had done exactly what journalists are supposed to do — ask probing questions.
As Phelim tried to continue his reporting from the sidelines, the security team repeatedly blocked his camera and his view of the environmentalists headed into the premiere.
The Age of Stupid, indeed.










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I have had at least one, maybe two burn out, which is a disappointment since they’re supposed to last longer. All the others are still going strong. I haven’t had them installed long enough to tell you if they generally last as long as advertised, though.
Caiwyn on October 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Maybe that’s what I bought. Whatever they were, they were expensive.
AnninCA on October 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM
LEDs are a great lighting source. I have replace all my incadescent flashlights with LEDs. Only a matter of time when LEDs or some other high tech will fill the void that the outlawing of incadescents will create. [unless the government screws up with that too].
docdave on October 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Uh-oh…I kind of like CFL’s
Started using them when they first came out and were expensive. Not to save the planet, but because I like them.
Like any incandescent bulb, some last longer than others.
Somebody should have told me they don’t work in ceiling fans and garage door openers. I guess they didn’t tell the bulbs I use in them either. An incandescent in the garage door opener might last a week. I think I had to change one CFL in five years in the same garage door opener sockets.
Not enough light, just put in a bigger bulb.
I like the non-yellow light.
Older CFL’s might take a while to start up, haven’t noticed it in newer one’s. Don’t really notice it at all any more in older one’s either.
And they put out a whole lot less heat. That’s why I don’t have one in the heat lamp, the only non-CFL bulb in the house…until LED bulbs come down in price…
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM
yup….same thing here.
AnninCA on October 6, 2009 at 12:51 PM
I bought mine at Menards.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:51 PM
I’ve found the PERFECT replacement for my incandescent bulbs used for exterior lighting…. I save ALL the oil from changing oil in the cars and boat. The I place it in torches around the house to provide exterior lighting. I take a blow torch and light them….
In order to keep the smell of burning oil outside the house, I open all he windows and turn my A/C down to 65.
CC
CapedConservative on October 6, 2009 at 12:51 PM
The pressure to use CFCs stems from the AGW warm-mongers, who believe, against all evidence, that reducing electricity consumption will reduce CO2 production and “save the planet” from catastrophic “climate change.”
This is just the first blow from this misguided neo-Luddite ideology, which would have us living in shacks and going to bed at sundown to avoid using electricity.
Wait till Cap-and-Tax takes effect.
MrLynn on October 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM
I don’t have any Menards locations by me, but I’ve found that they can be purchased on Amazon.
amerpundit on October 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM
I have gone through 20 to 30 CFLs over 2 to 3 years. My experience is that CFLs have the same life of an incandescent. have not calculated it out, but the energy savings does not make up for the extra costs of the CFL.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM
actually I was speaking about ninja pirate’s comment. It wasn’t about you.
And I actually have a VERY expensive LED light witht he LED bulbs, which I bought about a year ago. And I hate it… it hurts my eyes when I read and the “glare” is not my idea of a great headache.
so anywho. Pick your battles elsewhere.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
This is a line of attack we MUST continue.
The State Media has made hypocrisy the greatest of all sins, primarily because it was an easy way to hammer cheating Republican politicians while defending Democrat ones.
This leaves a large opening to attack the enviro-elite since they have absolutely no desire to live by their self declared moral principles. Essentially, it is to tough to give up my private jets, limos, etc – so I’ll just force the plebs to give up theirs and produce a net good.
I think we can easily turn that around though – so if someone like Gore won’t give up his extravagant lifestyle, he obviously does not believe the global warming BS he is selling.
18-1 on October 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
WashJeff, I purchased 3 packs to replace the accent lights in my living room and foyer. After rplacing the one’s in th foyer, the wife told me to take them back for incandesants. They were rated at 40 watts apiece, same as the incandesants, but gave off a lot less light. It felt like the foyer was lit with a nightlight.
I refuse to use the CFL’s with my small kids in the house. There’s no way I’m going to risk heavy metal poisoning to ‘save the planet (/sarc)’.
I guess I’ll need to stock up as well
Phil-351 on October 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
I refuse to have these in my house. We have kids and are planning on getting a dog and I just don’t need the extra worry.
Great videos–I’ll definitely be forwarding them.
Niere on October 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Brought to you by the same mentality that gave us the toilets that have to be flushed 3 times for #2.
Chickyraptor on October 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
By the way and just to be clear:
I was kidding about trying to reverse your impact. I find voluntary sacrifices honorable, especially if it’s something that makes you happy.
amerpundit on October 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Remove all the incandescents in your house, and you’ll need to run your furnace more in the winter.
MrLynn on October 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
This replacement bulb is like …
those stupid gas cans that don’t open when you need them to, stay open when they should close, and spill more gas than the can that they replace.
J_Crater on October 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
I replaced all of the bulbs in my house with CFL’s over a year ago and have only had one burn out, I believe that it was defective. The packaging indicated that when turned on they should remain on for at least four minutes, any less would decrease there service life.
farright on October 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM
I dunno – ages ago I was taught in school that “real art” only developed in human cultures AFTER the basic necessities of life had been mastered – such as reliable sources or production of food and water, and shelter and safety. Only then does man have the “liesure” time to devote to artistic endeavors. That’s what they taught me anyway.
Well … if that is true … then how much does a culture have to develop before it has the “leisure” to tolerate idiots dictating to them how they live their lives? We’re at that point – we’re at the point of tyranny by the minority and have been for some time. How far down in the dumps do we have to sink before we’re willing to tell these stupid people to go take a long walk off a short pier?
And … can we get there soon so I can have the pleasure of telling them?
HondaV65 on October 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM
I do agree. I was disappointed in the amount of light it provided. I would not use them in the scenarios you mentioned.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM
The other problem with all flourescents is that they generate RF interference which creates havoc in any wireless system as well as creating noise in a soundstage environment.Not a issue for some but a hassle for me, I’m just self centered and egotistical. I guess that makes me presidential material…
inevitable on October 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM
I have 12 of these in a basement ceiling and they suck. They are noisy and each bulb is a different light level.The wall switch gets hot as hell when you set them on dim. Not my definition of ” works”.
squidly on October 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM
I.e., do not use them in bathrooms and closets.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Are they all booked up at the FEMA Camps yet?
Oh, that’s right the Age of Stupid Libs have those ready for US. Sorry, I forgot my bad.
Is it possible for people to have even less common sense than we see today?
The Feds think that we should live on OBAMACARE and let them Cap and Tax us because we’ve been letting them incrementally tell us what to do FOR YEARS.
Seat belts (that used to be voluntary), Toilets that are so regulated now you have to flush them twice just to get them to flush the crap away from your house, Shower heads that only allow 2.5 gallons per minute so you wind up having to take a shower 2x as long because you can’t get cleaned up, and the list goes on and on.
THEY TELL US WHAT TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE LET THEM.
PappyD61 on October 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM
I bought a couple specifically for an enclosed outdoor fixture since I have to get up on an 8 ft. ladder to change my porch light. The extended life was what attracted me. First one burned out quickly, so I bought another thinking it was defective. Second one was worse. Very annoying considering the difference in cose and hauling out the ladder.
Cindy Munford on October 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM
How long before some enterprising anarchist throws CFLs into crowded places for the entertainment value of the ensuing pandamonium? Prolly a good way to stop or disperse any kind of public gathering I’d say.
OTH, think of the compliance mushroom when they begin forcing chain of custody procedures for purchase, use and disposal?
DanMan on October 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM
That was a general comment, not aimed at you at all. I recently argued with a nut, albeit an educated nut, who defended Obama as a moderate (as opposed to a radical marxist as I believe) by claiming there was no real difference between President Bush and Obama, after all President Bush signed stimulus bills, enacted the prescription drug bill, wanted open borders, pushed for TARP, etc. I appreciate many things about President Bush, but he was played hell on the conservative movement.
I think conservatives have to do a better job explaining what is and is not conservatism. Republicanism and conservatism are not the same thing, but the average citizen does not know the difference.
Somehow we need to get the word out that conservatives are for real freedom. We don’t want to tell you what kind of light bulbs you have to use, how much water is in your toilet, or what kind of toilet paper you have to use. If you want to clean your attic and make a few bucks with a garage sale, knock yourself out. All we ask is that you take down the signs you put up all over the neighborhood.
flyfisher on October 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM
No problem, I figured you were kidding. But it would be your water/electric bill anyway, not mine.
Yea, we have those stupid toilets at work, hate them. You think the manufacture would install them in their own bathrooms and try them out before they sell them. Now on to getting rid of the stupid paper towel dispensers that dispense half of what you need to dry your hands. The manual ones will only work if your hands are dry, otherwise the paper will tear when you try to pull it out.
CBP on October 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM
This is Texas. Refrigerated air is more precious than heat.
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM
About three years ago, I was doing some office cleaning for the lady I keep books for. She had purchased several 4-packs of the CFL bulbs and left them sitting on the floor in front of the cupboard where they belonged, where they were then run over by her young grandson on his little three-wheeled thing. So one, two, or three bulbs in each package were broken. LIKE A FOOL, I opened the packages (a couple were already split open)to retrieve the unbroken bulbs so I could put them away. I used a dustpan and hand-held broom, then a vacuum to clean up the rest of the mess.
Within a couple days, I woke up with acute pain in both my shoulders, my elbows, and wrists. I wondered if I’d over-exerted myself somehow. Another couple days, my fingers and feet were badly swollen, and I felt clammy and sweaty. Wondered if I had flu. Two weeks later, none of these symptoms had subsided, I finally relented and went to my physician. More tests than I wanted revealed a mild case of mercury poisoning!(Like there is such a thing!) I underwent chelation therapy for six months before I finally had relief from the acute joint pain. Who knows yet what the permanent damage to my system may be.
So, the above-prescribed method for disposing of the bulbs may seem over-the-top, but if you’re foolish enough to purchase CFLs, abide by it! I have warned all my family and everyone I know against them. I will burn propane lanterns and gasoline torches before I have CFLs in my home!
Cornhusker on October 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM
can’t be any worse then motion detector toilets.
Being female and that flushing on you is the worst experience when sitting down.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM
We do all this almost everyday in ranch country, except planting new trees.
Got too many of the damn things now and Momma Nature reproduces more than I could use in a “score” of lifetimes.
We also clear brush by the acres, in the old fashioned way… burn, baby, burn.
Of course, we like to think of it in Al Gore’s terms… we’re doing our part to give the earth a temperature.
TXUS on October 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM
I currently have a couple hundred incandescant’s in my attic – I need to get to work, my goal is have at leat 1,000 of each wattage stockpiled by the time production ends.
Maybe I’ll sell some to friends. Maybe.
WWS on October 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM
You may want to check the socket.
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM
If y’all would stop being so mean to Barry, his !!eleventy!-Gigawatt smile would light the universe forevs.
Christien on October 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM
I really like the CFL, only 3 downs for first down, exciting play. You have the Ontario Roughriders, Calgary Stampeders…I never new Candian Football players were toxic….
GO BIRDS!
igglesphan on October 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM
CFL’s don’t work with timers, so you often just leave them on 24/7.
About half I buy crap out in a few weeks, so I probably buy about twice as many bulbs as I actually need.
Who really takes all those clean-up precautions, unless there’s a small child in the house?
Heh, if God wanted us to burn mercury for light, he’d have us passing mercury instead of sulfur and methane.
petefrt on October 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM
This replacement bulb is like …
those stupid gas cans that don’t open when you need them to, stay open when they should close, and spill more gas than the can that they replace.
THAT IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE FED GOV BOONDOGGLES.
Our gas can finally got a crack in it so we had to go buy a new one. SURPRISE…..The Federal gov’t now makes it illegal to EVEN MANUFACTURE the old cans (the ones that just had screw on lids). Now they have this handle that you can’t take off with one had you have to have both hands to even get the thing to work. And then the little “flow valve” (which restricts vapors) actually causes you to spill the gasoline on the mower and so MORE VAPORS GET INTO THE AIR FROM THAT than would have otherwise!!!
We found a lawn mower repair place and they had 6 of the old kind still left. We bought them all. Next time I mow….I’m going to spill extra gas on the driveway just to piss off Al Gore and the Light Bulb Nazis.
PappyD61 on October 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM
It is the pressure treated lumber disaster repeated. Years ago, arsenic treated lumber was used building decks etc. The lumber still decayed and had to be replaced, but arsenic is forever. In trace amounts it is carcinogenic, in higher amounts it is deadly poison. Arsenic is an element and never decays. Arsenic has been measured in plants growing near such structures. I have read a proposal to grow special ferns where pressure treated lumber has leached to take up excess arsenic, and then be disposed of as hazmat. It is in half the backyards of America, no longer identifiable from safe lumber. If the lumber is demo’d the arsenic is still there for your tomato plants
Mercury is also an element. It is forever. We already have to arsenic test our drinking water. The Great Lakes already have a mercury problem.
This law has to be repealed. Meanwhile stores are pushing these bulbs, they are going into homes everywhere and old bulbs are going into landfills, not hazmat barrels
I have read China is making huge tungsten purchases. Tungsten is a metal used for incandescent bulbs. From a great article on tungsten
entagor on October 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM
You can’t turn CFL’s on and off at will, lest they lose their so-called efficiency and longevity.
Thank you Phillips and the US government. Sadly, when this legislation was passed, President Bush rolled over and let it happen without a fight. Not that he could have effectively vetoed it.
REPEAL THIS LAW TOO!!!!!!!!
J.J. Sefton on October 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM
This reminds me of the water-poisoning MTBE environMENTALists forced us to put in our gas in CA. If they had done ANY research prior to legislating the debacle, they would have know not only is MTBE a by-product of refining that oil companies had to pay to get rid of, but also that it is carcinogenic, hydrophillic (seeks our water), and does nothing to improve fuel efficiency.
Instead, after poisoning several water supplies, CA taxpayers got to pay to get the crap out of our gas. And never an apology to the scientists who tried to warn them.
NTWR on October 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM
I’ve had too many burn out to justify the cost – they didn’t last the 5-7 years as advertised.
I tried to replace incandecent in a few “globe fixtures” and because the bulb with the light rating I wanted was too big for the globe, I ended up with less light.
I have also had at least two CFL bulbs’ electronics short circuit to where smoke poured out of the base. One was in a ceiling fixture and the other a lamp.
I still have a couple CFLs, but I won’t leave them on when I’m not home.
SouthernRoots on October 6, 2009 at 1:10 PM
We’re the stupid whacked out environmentalists, and we’re here to make life miserable for you. Not for ourselves, mind you….but YOU MUST BE PUNISHED!!!
capejasmine on October 6, 2009 at 1:10 PM
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=LED+Bulbs&x=0&y=0
LED Bulbs
mankai on October 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM
I bought some of these 4 years ago for a foyer light that requires a 14 ft ladder. Notta one light has burnt out and the foyer light is on every night.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Not trying to pick a battle; I’m just saying that I happen to believe that LED lights are mostly going to get better than they are now. That is, unless government interference fouls things up.
But I’m sorry to hear that your light is not working out for you.
Snowed In on October 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM
I guess that’s another thing nobody told my CFL’s.
One outdoor fixture on timer, one on photovoltaic switch, several on manual switches.
In all the years I have had CFL’s (I don’t remember how many, but I started using them when they became widely available) I have only had to replace one of the outside bulbs.
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM
I am curious how they are going to work when it is -20 outside. I have one in the outside light (due to moose in my yard) and this is the “test” winter run. I have a feeling I will need to buy some regular bulbs soon.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Ugh, the Edison bulb was a piece of crap when it was invented. Tesla’s light bulb was cheaper and more efficient. Edison = overrated.
I’ve never had a CFL bulb go out – the ones I have had, I’ve had for 3+ years or so now. Haven’t bought a lightbulb in years. If you don’t like the quality of the light, you know, get a frickin lampshade instead of buying a crappier, less efficient product because doing so is the opposite of what your political opponents want.
Proud Rino on October 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I LOLed.
Snowed In on October 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Wifey can do it, too! All she needs is a funnel, or one of those things I read about here a little while ago…
/searching for that hilarious Hot Air thread… I think it was one of the “Finally!” ones… you guys know the one I mean, help me out here! :-)
Back on topic: Putting incandescent light bulbs on a DC circuit prolongs their life extraordinarily. I think that’s why the original Edison bulbs have survived. Edison was a proponent of having the nation wired for DC, but DC lost out to AC because the latter can travel over wires with less attenuation.
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM
That is the kicker. The light bulb manfacturers push this stupid law. Lberals and “environmentalists” are always in the tank with big business.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Thanks for the warning. I’ve been stockpiling regular bulbs for some time now, primarily because I always do the opposite of governmental desires, when legal to do so.
But your story is a serious reason to avoid these stupid bulbs, and to tell all friends and family what might be in store for them.
In the meantime, best of luck down the road.
TXUS on October 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM
One of the things I like about living in an older house: I don’t have to put up with the John Breaux crapper.
CDeb on October 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM
They flicker when it is cold outside. Hope the moose likes stobe lights.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Thanks, I will look into them.
Cindy Munford on October 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM
stobe => strobe
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM
The are a PITA. LED’s are suppose to be this new up and coming for home even though they have been around for at least 15 years that I know of. I have a LED on my keychain that works to find the key hole on my door. But if you want to read (and since we know where I live) it is hard and kills your eyes and gives you a headache. I have the LED lamp and a LED book light and it still hurts my eyes to read.
We are just going downhill. I am waiting for my two cords of wood for my fireplace to help with the heat as well as have some light. Gosh that sounds bad.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM
How cold?
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Yes, I agree! I refer to that experience as the “anti-bidet”. ;-)
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:18 PM
All I know is I’ll be stocking up on all the odd-ball incandescent bulbs I use (like under my microwave, ceiling fans, floodlights, etc.) before the ban comes. At least until LEDs come in.
Iblis on October 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM
They will be very dim, the CFL’s don’t like the cold.
CBP on October 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM
2:37-2:49 = The liberal’s definition of freedom.
What kind of sick and twisted world do those people live in to sit and call US fascists?
Ryan Gandy on October 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Traitor.
HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM
CFL must liberals better for you not to have one go out. Any recommendations on how to put lamp shades on canned lighting?
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Chicago winter cold. I have seen at 10 above, so you should get some interestind results in AK.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM
You guys must be buying cheap CFL’s or something. I used them for many years in my previous home where the power was so crappy that incandescents burned out all the time. Once I switched to CFL’s, I had no issues and no burned out bulbs for over 5 years!
My new home of two years has all CFL’s that I put in when I moved in and I have replaced none of them. Also, the light seems fine to me but I have been accused of being a mole by my wife. :-)
BierManVA on October 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM
I’ve got a spot in my house where I can see two ceiling bulbs from two different switches, more or less directly overhead. At night, I put on both and one created bright white light and the other took 2 minutes to warm up to a lousy yellow color. Guess which one is in a rarely used circuit?
My husband is a sucker for anything that is supposed to save money so we started using the CFLs years ago — and had that “I must have gotten a lemon” experience described above also. I will not buy any more. At least when the old-fashioned light bulbs go out, they do so without a long drawn-out “Is it getting dim in here or is it me?” period.
zenscreamer on October 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM
But what about the mercury? Mercury kills endangered species and children.
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM
If we got rid of mercury in thermometers for the sake of the children, why are we putting up with it in our light bulbs?
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Ha! Ha! Hilarious, but so terribly painful to watch the idiocy.
misslizzi on October 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM
I just don’t see how someone calling him/herself environmentally aware could ever justify using putting a known neurotoxin into the environment. What do you think, P.R.?
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Where are you buying them? The majority of mine are from The Home Depot, and they suck.
WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM
3 40W bulbs will cost you $14 at Sam’s Club.
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Here’s the thing about this whole cfl issue: it betrays the absolute religiousness of the left on all things liberal. CFL bulbs, according to a recent Canadian study, will actually consume more electricity in Canada. What no one figured in was the fact that incandescents not only light the house but heat it as well. In cold climates that added value makes up for wasted electricity in producing lumens.
That doesn’t even speak to the disposal issues and a myriad of others. It’s just a simplistic solution offered by Libs which somehow punishes the West.
Global warming, carbon footprints, ozone holes, vanishing forests … issues magnified by liberal lenses into monstrosities.
MaxMBJ on October 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM
I have one in my back porch light. It won’t come on at all once it reaches +8°. At >+9 it will eventually brighten after about 5 minutes.
kirkill on October 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM
I saw those the other day and almost grabbed them.
Did you try them?
cozmo on October 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Exactly, Ed. Most busy people will take the path of least resistance – simply put the broken or dead bulb out in the trash.
Short-sighted and stupid. The mercury will end up in ground water. It’ll make mercury contaminated seafood seem almost meaningless.
marybel on October 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM
We now know why Proud Rino is, well, a ‘Proud Rino’.
PR voted for obama….there is something more than just Mercury in those bulbs…….
HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Disposal? eh, I’ll just toss ‘em out the car window onto the Garden State Parkway. They’re less toxic the the dems in office.
bloviator on October 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM
For many of you out there that bought CFLs (yes, including you, Ed), I understand that your intentions were for financial reasons or saving energy, but I’m afraid you helped contribute to this madness. If a significant number of consumers refused to buy the CFLs, regardless of the hype, the initiatives that GE and the government supported for buying CFLs could have been easily thwarted, including the incandescent bulb ban.
By buying the CFLs, you in essence provided a mandate for GE and Congress to seriously consider banning the original light bulb.
Yes, this is a criticism to my fellow conservatives. All you had to do was the initial research on how CFLs were more trouble than they were worth. In the short term, you may have saved money, but in the long term, you enabled this utter nonsense to be initiated in 2012. Here’s a question, to Ed and the others: do you still have those CFLs installed?
ICBMMan on October 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Good way to get back at a neighbor you don’t like….throw a bag of busted CFL’s into his garden….easier than sneaking into his house and welding a bark collar on so he gets an idea of how much his dog barks……
HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM
I wonder why Proud Rino picked that nic? Given that “RINO” stands for “Republican In Name Only”, calling oneself “Proud RINO” is like calling oneself “Proud Hypocrite.”
What about it, P.R.?
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM
It sounds like you’ve had a pretty significant amount of mercury exposure already if this sentence is any indication.
Proud Rino on October 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM
LED lights will pulse at 120Hz. Flourescent lights do as well. To work best, LED’s need to be run off of DC, not AC. I suspect that if they become more popular, indoor wiring will change so that all lights run off of a single low voltage DC source, instead of 120AC.
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM
I hate those bulbs. They were in a very nice hotel we stayed at this summer, but the light was awful. A few weeks ago they were on sale at Costco — with the rebate,they were almost free, but I returned them anyway becuz of that horrible light. I guess I’ll stock up on incandescents in December 2011.
LASue on October 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Yeah, but lots of other things kill far more endangered species and children, and the positive effects of more efficient lightbulbs are obvious. The fact that they are some tradeoffs and that it’s not 100% perfectly awesome doesn’t mean the idea is therefore worthless.
Proud Rino on October 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I’ve been hearing that canard for years, but I’ll place the average Grey Cup game against the typical Super Bowl, and you can judge which is inferior.
YYZ on October 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
you know, someone like yourself should think before you speak.
upinak on October 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
And if that’s so, why do you support adding toxic mercury to the environment? If mercury can do this much visible damage to a person’s brain, what is it doing to your children? Don’t you care about that?
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Best place for LED’s. Not cheap though…
jerrytbg on October 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Last step in cleaning up a CFL
12. contact trial lawyer to sue government and corporations for selling highly toxic materials which caused stress, physical and mental illness to you and your family. Also to pay for clean up fees.
GE will get boned on this one…Paybacks are a bitch.
I think lead in chinese products are more safe.
Avatar72 on October 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM
No, they’re not “obvious”! That’s my point! I say that the negative effects (mercury poisoning in the environment) far outweigh their actual effect on decreasing global warming. Someone else upthread pointed out that mercury, being an element, never breaks down. How are you going to clean it up once it enters the water supply? What about fish die-offs? What about mutated frogs? Don’t you care about any of that?
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I picked up a pack last year. I have them mixed in with the CFL’s. The big problem I have with the LED’s is that they they are good spot lights, but lousy area lights, since LED’s project a beam of light, instead of 360 degrees like flourescents and incandescents.
I haven’t had any problem with them. I have also been using CFL’s almost exclusively for the last 3 years, with no burnouts. Only two incandescents left in the house. Those bulbs are fused into the socket, I’m going to have to break them to get them out. That is another advantage to CFLs and LEDs, since they don’t heat up so much, they shouldn’t fuse to sockets the way incandescents could.
MarkTheGreat on October 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Yeah, he was a “dim bulb”!
chickasaw42 on October 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM
If (when!) we buy a house, I plan to install a low-voltage DC lighting system. All by itself, that will save much more energy than even the most efficient CFL running off 12V AC, and it won’t poison the environment with toxic mercury.
Mary in LA on October 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM
So is Hollyweird going to have to use CFL technology in their cameras and set lighting etc?
chickasaw42 on October 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM
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