Video: The light bulb goes … off

posted at 12:15 pm on October 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I blame all of our woes on Thomas Edison.  If he hadn’t insisted on creating the first practical incandescent light bulb, why, we all would still be living in a Luddite paradise, albeit a dark one.  We could still burn oil lamps — er, no, that throws off carbon, too.  How about candles?  Better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness, after all.  And that’s true, as long as it’s a single candle, and not a bunch of them, or your carbon footprint might equal that of Godzilla, or Al Gore, whichever is bigger.

Nick Gillespie at Reason takes a critical look at the abolitionist movement aiming at Edison’s world-changing invention, and the poor replacement that bureaucrats will leave us:

In September, the European Union banned the sale of 100-watt incandescent light bulbs, with lawbreakers facing up to $70,000 in fines. Over the next few years, bans on lower-wattage bulbs kick in. In the United States, similar legislation comes into play in 2012. The idea is to kickstart the market for compact fluorescent lights (CFLs), which use less energy than conventional incandescents. Although CFLs present any number of problems (even beyond a much higher initial cost), governments all over the globe are determined to make them the new standard.

Invented in its modern form by Thomas Edison in 1879, the light bulb became synonymous with a brilliant idea. Now, it seems, it’s just one more symbol of a nanny state that increasingly dictates more choices in our public and private lives.

Two years ago, I began replacing my incandescents with CFLs, mostly to help save energy and replacement costs. Reason correctly states that CFLs give off an inferior level and quality of light and do not work with dimmers, which actually helps reduce the energy costs of incandescents. But the biggest problem with CFLs is not the noticeably poorer quality of the light, but the clean-up they require when they break, as I wrote a year and a half ago:

What happens when an incandescent bulb hits the floor? Simple: sweep it up, and try not to step on a shard of glass with bare feet. Here’s how people need to handle a broken CFL:

1. Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
2. Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.
3. Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
4. Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
5. Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes and place them in the glass jar or plastic bag.
6. Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.
7. Immediately place all cleanup materials outside the building in a trash container or outdoor protected area for the next normal trash.
8. Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing cleanup materials.
9. Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states prohibit such trash disposal and require that broken and unbroken lamps be taken to a recycling center.
10. For at least the next few times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming.
11. Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.

In other words, we’re saving a few pennies at best on energy costs with CFLs over incandescents — and in return, making our homes potential toxic-waste areas and polluting landfills with mercury. It’s an insane policy that can only be justified by radical environmentalist lunatics.

Update: While on the subject of environmental lunacy, watch what happens when a journalist tries to ask a few tough questions of activists:

The Age Of Stupid preaches the doomsday scenario of human extinction by 2055 and says humans will be to blame for their own demise because they fly too much. But Franny Armstong, director of The Age of Stupid, and many of the people at the movie’s premiere flew to New York for the party. Phelim [McAleer] put them on the spot for flying while trying to deny that travel right to others.

His pointed questions didn’t sit well with the organizers of the event or the environmentalists who attended. The film makers and their security team ejected Phelim despite the fact that he had journalistic credentials to cover the event and had done exactly what journalists are supposed to do — ask probing questions.

As Phelim tried to continue his reporting from the sidelines, the security team repeatedly blocked his camera and his view of the environmentalists headed into the premiere.

The Age of Stupid, indeed.

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If you like your light bulbs, you can keep your light bulbs.

LibTired on October 6, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Reason correctly states that CFLs give off an inferior level and quality of light and do not work with dimmers

They have ones that work with dimmers now.

lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I’m not getting the damn things and will buy the old ones on the black market if necessary.

I have children and they knock over and break things and I’m not turning my house into a toxic waste dump because some tree-hugging idiot wants to “make a difference”.

NoDonkey on October 6, 2009 at 12:20 PM

In the process currently of purchasing as many incandecents as possible before the regulations kick in.

I’d like to have any 100w bulbs as I have rounds of .45ACP, but that’s just me.

BTW, As soon as the LED tech edges forward only slightly more, there will be absolutely zero need for CFLs. LEDs use a miniscule amount of power, and never burn out. The only problems I’ve had with the LED flashlights I use at work are the connections and circuits, espcially on the multiple-LED ones. And they are bright as hades!

JamesLee on October 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Sad thing is that Bush was the one who signed the legislation banning incandescents. We can’t blame this one on Obamarx.

UltimateBob on October 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM

And then they’ll demand more legislation to deal with the inevitable buildup of mercury in landfills from people simply throwing them out.

brak on October 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM

In other words, we’re saving a few pennies at best on energy costs with CFLs over incandescents — and in return, making our homes potential toxic-waste areas and polluting landfills with mercury. It’s an insane policy that can only be justified by radical environmentalist lunatics.

Reason #1 why I have a cupboard full of incandescent light bulbs

Beaglemom on October 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I’d like to have any 100w bulbs

Grr. I’d to have AS MANY 100w….

Stupid fingers….

JamesLee on October 6, 2009 at 12:22 PM

They have ones that work with dimmers now.

lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Let me run right on out and buy some now!!!!

paragon27x on October 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I had a few CFLs that had burned out. Like a good person on spaceship Earth, I took them to my county recycling center on the hazmat day. The guy working behind the counter took them and THREW them into a big metal dumpster where they BROKE releasing the TOXIC mercury vapor into the air. So much for my good deed for the planet.

Mangy Scot on October 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Whaling for a little oil to burn anybody? /sarc

I’m all for saving energy where possible, but the benefits of this bulb are outweighed by the problems it creates.

bbordwell on October 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Folks, remember where they got the term ‘mad as a hatter’

Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Hording them already.

kahall on October 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I tried using CFLS for 2, maybe 3 years, for purely financial rasons, and have since started converting my lights back to incandescents. The main issue I have with CFLs is that they do NOT last long enough to save money via electrical savings. These bulbs die at best at the same rate as incandescents, but cost more per bulb.

I think I have junked about 30 (thirty) CFLS so far. I will stock up BIG time on incandescents if the ban is not overturned.

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

paragon27x on October 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Just saying. It’s a false reason to be against them. They have problems, but not working with dimmers isn’t one of them.

lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

The free market will provide alternatives if incandescent bulbs can be beaten on cost and performance.

So far CFLs have to be legislated into use, proving they are inferior products.

The market figured this out much to the chagrin of the lefty nanny statists and closet communists in the environmental movement.

Reality and science really don’t matter, its all about how they feel.

Neo on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Time to stock up on incandescent, if I can find them.

Daggett on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I have a couple of cases of 100′s and 60′s tucked away in the attic. I may buy more, in anticipation of the inevitable black market.

mojo on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I’ve been stocking up on incandescents since last fall.

Vashta.Nerada on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I have a CFL right above me and I hate the light that comes out of it… and I worry about the mercury…

I might get LED bulbs some time…

ninjapirate on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

What year do we go to one square of toliet papaer and one flush per day?

Dire Straits on October 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Stockpiling List:
Ammunition
Incandescent Light Bulbs

Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I had a few CFLs that had burned out. Like a good person on spaceship Earth, I took them to my county recycling center on the hazmat day. The guy working behind the counter took them and THREW them into a big metal dumpster where they BROKE releasing the TOXIC mercury vapor into the air. So much for my good deed for the planet.

Mangy Scot on October 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I’d have reported that little Haz-Mat issue to your State Authorities, just for giggles.

paragon27x on October 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM

CFLs and Obama have a lot in common. They’re both dim blubs.

kingsjester on October 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM

LEDs use a miniscule amount of power, and never burn out. The only problems I’ve had with the LED flashlights I use at work are the connections and circuits, espcially on the multiple-LED ones. And they are bright as hades!

JamesLee on October 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I just bought a couple of LED bulbs a week ago ($15 / bulb). The bulbs, though, are designed as an accent bulb (which is what I needed). LEDs will truly have the long life that CFLs are touted to have.

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Where was the Environmental Impact Study of CFL’s?

Did I miss that?

Wander on October 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

bulbs, not blubs.
oops

kingsjester on October 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Sad thing is that Bush was the one who signed the legislation banning incandescents. We can’t blame this one on Obamarx.

UltimateBob on October 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Exactly. Everyone must disabuse themselves of the notion President Bush was a conservative.

Oh yeah, CFLs SUCK!

flyfisher on October 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

CFLs stink. I have been using them for awhile and they literally get dimmer and dimmer and take longer to “warm up”.
This is in 70 degree weather no less. I basically just leave all the lights in my house on all the time now to avoid the warm up issue. I am going to replace them with regular bulbs as they go and hoard up on incandescents.

Rocks on October 6, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Reason correctly states that CFLs give off an inferior level and quality of light and do not work with dimmers

And the pain they cause for people with glaucoma and retina problems like myself is excruciating.

These loon’s are trying to kill me, I tell ya.

Knucklehead on October 6, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Mangy Scot on October 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Home Depot has a “recycle” container by the customer service desk. Funny thing when I used it, it was overflowing. Long life bulbs…my arse!

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Someone once told me that using a dimmer actually uses more energy than keeping the light on it’s brightest setting.
Is that true?

bridgetown on October 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM

In other words, we’re saving a few pennies at best on energy costs with CFLs over incandescents

I sure as h*** don’t see any savings with CFLs. Those suckers burn out as fast or faster than my incadescents. I absolutely hate them.

Which highlights an important point about the free market. If CFLs were really better and really provided a cost savings, they would have found a place in the market and would have eventually been adopted by the public. On the other hand, with the government mandating that we buy these white elephants, there is no incentive to really make them cost-effective.

PackerBronco on October 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Who wants to dim a CFL bulb? You can barely see with one in the first place! I hate them.

rockmom on October 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I have a couple of cases of 100’s and 60’s tucked away in the attic. I may buy more, in anticipation of the inevitable black market.

mojo on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I’ve been stocking up on incandescents since last fall.

Vashta.Nerada on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

This is REALLY beginning to sound like a discussion about ammo….

UltimateBob on October 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I loathe everything these bulbs stand for. You want to use ‘em to save a few pennies fine, but don’t force the rest of us to.

Anyone up for starting incandescent speak-easies? Where we can bask in the warm glowing warmth and orangish beauty of tungsten. Mmm.

somewhatconcerned on October 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM

CFLs and Obama have a lot in common. They’re both dim blubs.

kingsjester on October 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Funny… still laughing…

bbordwell on October 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM

that can only be justified by radical environmentalist lunatics

cannot possibly be justified by “radical environmentalist lunatics” (although I’m not sure whom, exactly, you’re picturing with this phrase.)

When something’s this illogically out-of-whack, you need to follow the money. There’s nothing environmentally friendly about the bulbs, so why are the enviro groups behind this? Who contributes to their causes, who stands to “clean up” big time, while we’re running around in haz-mat suits to clean up, small time?

I don’t know the answers — I’m just practicing my Glenn Beck skills, here.

notropis on October 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM

CFLs and Obama have a lot in common. They’re both dim blubs.

kingsjester on October 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM

… and neither will last for longer than four years.

PackerBronco on October 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I know Moby is a dope, but…

Not Gillian Anderson!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

greggriffith on October 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Everyone must disabuse themselves of the notion President Bush was a conservative.

flyfisher on October 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I personally live under no such delusion. Many on teh left still do.

UltimateBob on October 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM

This is REALLY beginning to sound like a discussion about ammo….

UltimateBob on October 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Been stocking up on that, too.

Vashta.Nerada on October 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM

ninjapirate on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Different kinds of CFLs have different kinds of light. And the LED ones are super white. I personally can’t tell the difference between yellow light CFLs and yellow light incandescents.

But as for the mercury … tadaa! Wal-Mart to the rescue!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17831334/

hahahahaha

apollyonbob on October 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Where in the Constitution does the Federal Government have the right to tell Americans what kind of light bulbs they can and cannot use.

It is high time we start suing these morons and eliminate some of the pencil pushers in unconstitutional agencies that think they can tell us all what we can and cannot do.

What happened to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

ScottyDog on October 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I’ll never understand it….build some friggin Nuke plants and we could all decorate our homes like christmas 24/7/365. There is absolutely no need to “save” energy.

Mord on October 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM

lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

True… I’m just tired of my Fam asking me dumb questions and complaining about the CFL’s they have bought…. after telling then not to.

Reached my CFL BS threshold.

paragon27x on October 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM

JamesLee on October 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Summed it up nicely. CFLs are a stopgap at best until LED-based lights hit the mainstream. They’re going to be a lot more efficient even than CFL lights. For that matter, LED-based lighting will replace a lot more than just CFLs. I’ve already seen LED-based 2×4 lights, and the light quality was much, much better than fluorescent fixtures.

Trust me on this one; I specify lighting fixtures.

(On the other hand, if you like the old-style incandescents, I’ll be happy to sell you my slightly-used-but-not-so-much-that-they’ve-burned-out bulbs.)

Snowed In on October 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM

It’s just a matter of time before they have to “inspect” your home to ensure the environmental safety of the children. You’ll see.

marklmail on October 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM

They don’t use CFL’s in the White House. There are already enough “dim” bulbs in there.

Dire Straits on October 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I changed to the new bulbs a few years ago for selfish reasons… to save money. Now, it’s hard to gauge these things precisely, but measured against the months from the previous year, my electric bills did go down an average of 5% which is significant and enough to pay for the bulbs in the first year’s use (and they do last a rather long time).

mankai on October 6, 2009 at 12:34 PM

I was using CFLs before any legislation was passed and have been really happy with them. I think I’ve replaced 1 or 2 of them and they were the early versions. The later ones I have are a little off on color but I have them behind a glass diffuser so it’s hard to tell the difference.

That said I really want the LED manufacturers to step up and provide an affordable alternative.

alilianstrom on October 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

So, Ed, are you switching back to incandescents?

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

If you like your light bulbs, you can keep your light bulbs.

LibTired on October 6, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Outstanding cross-thread post! ROTFLMAO.

highhopes on October 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

You know, I have all CFL lights in my house and love them, I dont think they should be mandated, but they are cooler and if you buy the right kind, give off just as much light.

Squid Shark on October 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

The most important point to remember about all these leftist groups is that they know best, you must be told what to do, how to spend your money, and how to spend your time. If you question them, they work to shut you up rather than answer the questions.
 
The frightening consequences of their ideology above truth/moral relativistic attitude is that, one day, someone who is truly evil will become powerful enough to rule them. History is littered with bloody examples of how their movements start out and how they finish.

ClanDerson on October 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I have never understood the claim that CFLs give off inferior light. I always preferred the whiter light they give off to the off-white/yellowish hue of normal light bulbs.

MadisonConservative on October 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

The real green motto : “The rules are meant for thee, not me.”

TQM38a on October 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I just bought a couple of LED bulbs a week ago ($15 / bulb). The bulbs, though, are designed as an accent bulb (which is what I needed). LEDs will truly have the long life that CFLs are touted to have.

Yes, so far I think most I’ve seen have been just for accent lighting, although I think I saw one at Sams a week ago that was a floodlight. Was looking for other stuff and didn’t look too closely.

Like I said, the tech needs to advance just a bit more, and manufacturing needs to step up, and those prices will come down quickly.

Hmm, imagine that… Free Market!

JamesLee on October 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

This is REALLY beginning to sound like a discussion about ammo….

My local TV station ran a short piece on the fact that ammo is selling faster it can be produced. The brain-dead, lefty reporter ended her presentation with the statement that maybe “we” should limit how much ammo people can have.

Another fine example of “journalism”.

Mangy Scot on October 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I’m just going to go back and start using torches.

And pitchforks.

NoDonkey on October 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Stock up on: REAL light bulbs, REAL toilet paper, Bullets, Guns, Sugar, Alcohol, etc. list growing

Jeff from WI on October 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Where was the Environmental Impact Study of CFL’s?
Did I miss that?
Wander on October 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

That’s the worst thing about CFL’s, In the name of Gaea, we’re distributing mercury throughout our homes.

How can that be a good idea?

Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I’ve been stocking up on incandescents since last fall.

Vashta.Nerada on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Ditto. Not because I like them or can’t afford the CFLs, but because their continued use will undermine the left’s utopian visions of stupidity.

amerpundit on October 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Democrats: Putting the jerk in knee jerk!

drjohn on October 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I think CFLs put out better light, not worse. Seem brighter to me. Hmmmm…

Abby Adams on October 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I had a few CFLs that had burned out. Like a good person on spaceship Earth, I took them to my county recycling center on the hazmat day. The guy working behind the counter took them and THREW them into a big metal dumpster where they BROKE releasing the TOXIC mercury vapor into the air. So much for my good deed for the planet.

Mangy Scot on October 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM

A good friend of mine had a similar experience with asbestos siding that he wanted to remove from his house. He followed all the rules, carefully removing the siding while wearing protective clothing, gloves, goggles, respirator, etc. and stacking it neatly on plastic sheeting. He then carefully wrapped the stacks of siding in several layers of plastic sheeting and took them to the landfill where he had to pay extra to dispose of asbestos.

The guy at the landfill tossed them onto a pile of other garbage, tearing apart the plastic wrapping and exposing the asbestos.

UltimateBob on October 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

The future of lighting will also include OLED. Flexible thin panels that emit light will create alot of new ways to light rooms. For example, the whole ceiling could be a light, but when the “light” is off, you just see a white ceiling. Here is another example of an OLED light.

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Stockpiling List:
Ammunition
Incandescent Light Bulbs

Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Add premium toilet paper…

And GOLD.

TXUS on October 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

In an old episode of This Old House, they visited Mr. Edison’s home and they were still using the original bulbs from when he lived there. And they stay on 24/7. Maybe that has changed by now and of course they didn’t discuss how effiecent they were but it was interesint.

Cindy Munford on October 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Okay, so… I don’t disagree with the point that the nanny state has no business telling you what lightbulbs you can or can’t buy. However, let’s not get our panties in a twist about the supposed inferiority of CFLs. They have some significant advantages.

I actually replaced all the lightbulbs in my house with CFLs over a year ago and our electric bill has dropped significantly. And that’s not all: because the wattage of the CFL bulbs is significantly lower, you can actually install much brighter CFL bulbs in your light sockets.

For instance, suppose you have a socket that only supports a 60w incandescent. An equivalent CFL would draw 13w. But you can put a 32w CFL into that same socket for a brightness equivalent to a 120w incandescent.

In short, you can double the brightness of your lights and still cut your energy consumption in half. For those of us with houses that don’t get a lot of natural light, this is a pretty good trick.

Yes, cleanup is more complicated if you break one. But honestly, cleaning up a broken incandescent isn’t much better (there’s still plenty of glass and white powder to get out of your carpet), and the danger from the mercury content is overstated due to manufacturers’ natural fear of lawsuits.

Yes, it is wrong for the nanny state to distort the market by outlawing incandescents, but let’s not turn CFLs into the next right-wing boogeyman. We’re conservatives, not luddites.

Caiwyn on October 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

I like incan’s but right now they are overly expensive here.

CFL’s are absolutely cheap, and no clue as to why.

But someone mentioned LED’s. If you have ever had an LED light (I am talking actual lamp light) they are worse then CFL’s by a long shot and do not help your eyes at all. While everyone can rave about them, LED’s are going to be the next “thing” for light in the house…. as some environemtnal org is going to scream about mercury in the land fills soon.

I think I am just going to stock up on wax and start making candles… wait, that might be air pollution.

We are doomed.

upinak on October 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Abby Adams on October 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

It depends. some CFLs put out true white light and they are very good. Others give off a yellowish glow and they are just miserable.

lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Stockpiling List:
Ammunition
Incandescent Light Bulbs
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Add premium toilet paper…

And GOLD.

TXUS on October 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

maybe “we” should limit how much ammo people can have.

My ammo shop limited me to two boxes the last time I went by and that’s because they want to make sure they have enough for all of their customers.

So it’s already being implemented, but not because of anything the government is doing.

Besides making us all want to buy rooms full of ammo by being corrupt/incompetent jackasses, that is.

NoDonkey on October 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Stock up on: … REAL toilet paper …

Jeff from WI on October 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Save some for the Cubans!

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM

The amount of mercury is tiny and the entire mercury scare itself- at the levels it currently is at- is manufactured alarmism by environmentalists.

Yes, mercury is toxic; but primary from long exposure to high concentrations. The milligrams in lightbulbs, if disposed of with reasonable care (rather than the silliness listed above) will not poison your house for all time. Millions of bulbs in landfills are definitely NOT a good idea, however. The LED solution will be best when it’s fully ready (from a cost perspective).

michaelo on October 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I don’t mind going back to oil lamps — as long as I can use whale oil.

rbj on October 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I’m just going to go back and start using torches.

Heh. I’ve told people that I will never buy another CFL, and if I can’t get anything else, I’ll burn freakin’ candles! Hows that for your CO2 POLLUTION?

JamesLee on October 6, 2009 at 12:41 PM

I smell a home lighting czar.

farright on October 6, 2009 at 12:41 PM

It depends. some CFLs put out true white light and they are very good. Others give off a yellowish glow and they are just miserable.

lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

The first time you use the white light it really throws you off. I do like the bright white ones, but I will get rid of those to as the burn out. Not worth the extra costs.

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:41 PM

I have never understood the claim that CFLs give off inferior light. I always preferred the whiter light they give off to the off-white/yellowish hue of normal light bulbs.

MadisonConservative on October 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

And I have the opposite preference. I don’t want the lighting in my home to resemble an office or airport terminal with glaring white light as opposed to a softer glow. I suspect that CFL and lighting manufacturers will adapt to market demands over time but current lighting fixtures are not always a good fit for the super-bright CFLs.

P.S. I didn’t really notice all that much difference until I moved into a house previously owned by a lighting designer. Just the type of incandescent lightbulb one uses makes a huge difference.

highhopes on October 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM

When you have children, the energy savings from CFL’s are nice, since the kids think light switches are one way – ON. I’ve replaced the incandescent in a lot of the light fixtures that have multiple bulbs, or will stay on for long periods of time, such as the porch lights or those on timers. But for lights that go and off frequently, such as the bathroom, I hate the CFL’s, just too long of a warm up time.

If I want to feel good about saving the environment, I go out in the side yard and pee. It saves 7 gallons of water, fertilizes the grass, and makes the wife jealous that she can’t do it. Gotta love living in the country.

CBP on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I’m having trouble finding replacements for my bathroom CFL’s. They had them. Now, they are nowhere to be found.

Irritating. Two burnt out.

But thanks for the tips on clean-up. I had no idea!

AnninCA on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I think we should all set bonfires, burn coal, and cut down a tree every night after this stupid ban goes into effect. I’ll start planting trees now just so I can cut ‘em down later.

amerpundit on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Re: Youtube video

Oh Agent Scully, how far you’ve fallen.

rihar on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Just use the new solid state (LED) bulbs. Expensive but they last forever, use very little energy, they are made of sand and are the most advanced things on the planet.

GunRunner on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

upinak on October 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Like I said, in most cases LED lights are not ready for the mainstream. But I’ve seen some darn good ones already.

Of course, for every “darn good one”, you can bet there are about ten cheap import knock-offs. I’ll bet you saw one of those things, upinak.

Snowed In on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

GunRunner on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Where can you get them?

mankai on October 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Smoking. Check.
Seat belts. Check.
Bicycle helmets. Check.
Food source used for fuel (ethonol – sp?). Check.

Fast food. Coming.
Sugary foods and drinks. Coming.
Light bulbs. Here.

Health care. Maybe.
VAT. Maybe.
Cap and trade. Maybe.

Environmentalists and do gooders are going to enslave us all.

BowHuntingTexas on October 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM

As for the mercury issue that some people have mentioned as a concern: you put about 1000x as much mercury as a CFL lamp contains into your body when you eat certain types of fish.

Therefore, I propose that we ban fish.

Snowed In on October 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM

If I want to feel good about saving the environment, I go out in the side yard and pee. It saves 7 gallons of water, fertilizes the grass, and makes the wife jealous that she can’t do it. Gotta love living in the country.

CBP on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I think I’ll flush every toilet in my house one extra time each day in honor of your sacrifice for Mother Earth.

amerpundit on October 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Caiwyn on October 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Are your CFLs burning out just as quick as incandescents?

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM

If I want to feel good about saving the environment, I go out in the side yard and pee. It saves 7 gallons of water, fertilizes the grass, and makes the wife jealous that she can’t do it. Gotta love living in the country.

CBP on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

ROFL

Caiwyn on October 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Just as the light bulb is used in cartoons to show that the character has an idea, I think the CFL should become the universal symbol of a bad idea.

VanPalin on October 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Did anyone have CFLs emit a low level light after turning off the switch for the light? This has happened more than three times, in different light sockets, in my house.

WashJeff on October 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I use a mixture of light bulbs and, yes, the CFL’s do put out poor light. Sometimes they need to warm up like the big long ones in office buildings.

But, even if they are the God’s gift to mankind, exactly why should our government tell me to use one or not?

THAT is the issue.

We are seriously going under a dictorial style system that only has the trappings of republicanism, liberty, and freedom.

TexasDude on October 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Ultimately it comes down to this: Some people like incandescents, others like the CFLs. We can debate which is better from now until the cows come home. We can even introduce relatively new concepts like LEDs for general home use.

Some of us might be overestimating the problem of mercury, while others might be underestimating. Some might have it just right.

But none of the options should be banned by the federal government.

amerpundit on October 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Just saying. It’s a false reason to be against them. They have problems, but not working with dimmers isn’t one of them.

lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

The hell it isn’t!

jimmy2shoes on October 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM

AnninCA on October 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Try lightbulbsdirect.com

farright on October 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM

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