Senate committee delays ObamaCare for CBO cost analysis
posted at 10:55 am on October 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Senate Finance Committee bowed to pressure from members and constituents alike in postponing a vote on the Baucus plan for overhauling the American health-care system. Democrats had tried to push the bill out of committee before the Congressional Budget Office could review the proposal and project its costs, fearing that another harsh analysis could kill the Senate effort before it has a chance for a floor vote. With its gimmicky excise tax on insurers offering “Cadillac plans” and the Chairman’s Mark fee, the chances of a positive analysis seems mighty slim:
Senators learned Monday that a committee vote on health-care reform will be pushed back to later this week, and perhaps into next week, as they await an estimate on how much the overhaul would cost.
But if the news of the delayed vote disappointed them, Democratic leaders in the Senate took heart from pro-reform statements from some high-profile Republicans, including former Senate majority leader Bill Frist and former health and human services secretary Tommy G. Thompson.
The Senate Finance Committee wrapped up work Friday on a reform bill, but committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) promised his members that before voting they would have a “reasonable” amount of time to review the bill’s price tag, as assessed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. That report, committee aides said Monday, will arrive later than expected.
The panel’s vote is expected to be close, and passage could hinge on a handful of senators who have indicated that the CBO’s report may sway them.
The SFC had little choice but to wait for the scoring. Barack Obama set the bar in his speech to the joint session last month in which he demanded a bill that would not add to the deficit. Since the CBO has firmly insisted that the House versions of ObamaCare explode the deficit in the short and long terms, the pressure for a deficit-neutral approach has landed on the Senate, and the Baucus plan appears to be the Democrats’ last hope for it.
However, Baucus relies on some very unlikely funding for his plan, which the CBO will certainly view with a jaundiced eye. The CBO has shown a willingness to use dynamic tax analysis to project future revenues from other proposals on health-care reform, which in this case would challenge most if not all of the expected $259 billion Baucus expects to get from his “Cadillac-plan” excise fee. If that revenue stream disappears, then the Baucus plan will actually perform worse than the House bills, even without the public option, in regards to deficits.
The CBO will also want to look at the subsidies in the Baucus plan. As I reported earlier today, the Joint Committee on Taxation projects that the refundables from health-care exchanges will exceed total tax liabilities on individuals in 72% of all returns. That means that taxpayers will have to find $330 billion cash in giveaways. Where does that money originate? Who pays? The CBO will want to answer those questions in order to score it against deficit expansion.
Small wonder some Democrats wanted to rush this out of committee without a CBO analysis. However, a season of outrage from constituents has belatedly taught enough of the Beltway denizens that taxpayers don’t want to buy a pig in a poke. We will see what happens when the CBO scoring hits, and I’d predict that it won’t be pretty for Democrats — and they know it too, or they wouldn’t have attempted to sell us that pig in a poke in the first place.









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So the fix at the CBO is in??
BigWyo on October 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM
HA!
Texican Ben on October 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Is this the Vapor Bill they were talking about before where it would come out of committee and be voted upon without “legislative language”? i.e. it would be whatever they said AFTER it got voted upon?
UnderstandingisPower on October 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Time for that CBO dude to be called to the White House for another private arm twisting…I mean meeting.
Knucklehead on October 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Hate: airport delays.
Love: Obamacare delays!
misslizzi on October 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM
You mean the Dems can’t sneak this one in?
Mr. Joe on October 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Rumor on the radio this morning (doctor on Sec. Bennett’s show) Democrat leadership is encouraging their members to vote of cluture(sic?) requiring 60 votes then voting against the Bill (51 votes required) making sure it passes. Everyone needs to call their senators. Considering that mine keeps bragging about the public option being slipped in a back door even though I specifically wrote that I was against that option. They don’t care what we think.
Cindy Munford on October 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Wasn’t the head of the CBO called to the White House earlier this summer to talk to the President? The first time in history that a President felt the need to have an official talk with Congress’s accounting office. I wonder if that talk will have any effect on the analysis?
CBP on October 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM
You want to know how to clean up this crap for the long-term?
When I grow up I want to be Thomas Sowell.
pugwriter on October 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM
I can guarantee you that Obama will try and put even more pressure on the CBO to sugar coat this abortion of a bill. However, I don’t think that will work now. This thing has stalled long enough for everyone to know exactly how much it will cost and who is going to pay for it. And that is why no politician in his/her right mind will vote for this mess.
Johnnyreb on October 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Chicago 2016!!!
LibTired on October 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM
“Democratic leaders in the Senate took heart from pro-reform statements from some “WASHED UP WANNABE’S, “including former Senate majority leader Bill Frist and former health and human services secretary Tommy G. Thompson.”
WWS on October 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I can’t decide if the Democrats are more corrupt or more incompetent.
I tend to lean towards incompetent. These people have no idea what it is they are doing, I’m convinced.
And the very little knowledge they do have regarding health care, they use to steal money from the taxpayers, in order to dole it out to their donors.
Kill this bill at any cost.
NoDonkey on October 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I’m pretty sure the CBO’s numbers are racist!
Fishoutofwater on October 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I just had Laura Ingraham on in the car. She was interviewing some Dr. Meghan Krauthammer from Doctors for America. Surprisingly, Doctors for America is Doctors for Obama. Who would have thought that?
daesleeper on October 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM
So what happens if/when the CBO shoots this one down as well? Do the Dems go back to the drawing board yet again or do they just say the hell with the American people and ram this thing through?
Something tells me it’ll be the latter.
Doughboy on October 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Here is Hot Air’s topic on that meeting. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/21/why-did-obama-meet-with-the-cbo/
CBP on October 6, 2009 at 11:05 AM
The whole thing is illogical. What happens when people give up their “Cadillac plans”? Where does the revenue come from then? This is a shell game. That is all that it has ever been to get to a single-payer system. Good grief. Scrap it all!
JAM on October 6, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Quick!
Gotta hide, roll around and funge some of these costs so that we can continue to maintain “plausible deniability” as to those costs of this boondoggle-in-the-making!
Obamacare = FAIL
Good Lt on October 6, 2009 at 11:06 AM
If any Democrat sponsered bill makes it to Obama’s desk, and he signs it, then his credibility will be shot. He will validate Rep Wilson’s outburst and be branded a lying liar by everyone outside of his faithful. And he will never ever be trusted again by America. The jig will be up to the independents.
uknowmorethanme on October 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Reality > Liberal Ideas
It’s hard work when you can’t write bills with unicorn dust.
jhffmn on October 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM
The GOP can’t even get dog-in-manger credit. This is a Dem clusterflub from A-Z.
Har dee har haaaaarr.
Akzed on October 6, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I suppose that because Baucus really has no bill–only a conceptual vision (or whatever the hell they’re calling it)–no one can answer this. Still, I’ll ask. Does anyone believe that Dems are going to allow an excise tax to be imposed on Cadillac plans enjoyed by unions? As I recall, one of the house bills specifically exempted union plans from treatment (of some kind, but I forget) that was going to be adverse to other insurance plans.
This is a trainwreck. I know I’ve heard this elsewhere at HotAir, but it bears repeating: Dems shouldn’t be allowed to plan anything more complicated than a child’s birthday party, and they shouldn’t be allowed to operate anything more extensive than a neigborhood lemonade stand.
Where’s my pitchfork?
BuckeyeSam on October 6, 2009 at 11:08 AM
COMEDY GOLD feauting Megan McCain on TMZ
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0910/paparazzi_doesnt_recognize_meghan_mccain.html
RobCon on October 6, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Is there any doubt that this won’t be a huge boondoggle?
Has there ever been a government program that wasn’t?
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Related: Congressional leaders fight against posting bills online
obladioblada on October 6, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Quick, get some extras in lab coats to start singing Obama loves the little Children.
jhffmn on October 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM
No offense, but don’t they use Pixie dust?
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I’m with you, Buckeye — anyone got a plan for how to make any progress in one of the most corrupt, gerrymandered states in the Union, the People’s Republic of Massachusetts?
zenscreamer on October 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM
In all seriousness, what’s the end game for us here? Yes, we’ve won battles (townhalls, probably the death of the public option, and these delays) but this monster is going to pass. What then?
Good luck repealing anything. So what’s next? Why are we celebrating?
Trent1289 on October 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Three thoughts:
A. It’s a trick.
B. It will be included in some unrelated bill that no one reads and passed.
C. It’s a trick.
D.C. is smoke-and-mirrors land. The only cure is to impeach the Healthcare-”Reform”-Giver-in-Chief and and remove all the corrupt thugs in Congress.
Oh, wait. There’s no one who will lead that charge. We’re skroot.
MrScribbler on October 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Tax revolt.
ROCnPhilly on October 6, 2009 at 11:13 AM
CBO meetup at the White House …
Can we see the bill?
tarpon on October 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM
We’ve won battles, but the ideological war wages on. The next major battles will be crap-and-betrayed and amnesty, along with the second porkulus bill which they’re trying to disguise by not using the word “stimulus”.
And the big showdown is of course 13 months from now in the midterms. The GOP must retake the House in order to effectively block Obama’s agenda for the rest of his first(and hopefully only) term.
Doughboy on October 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM
They’ll try some kind of pincer movement, like they’ve come up with for cap-and-trade: the bill looks like a good buy there because of the excruciating new carbon tax they’re putting in place….
a rock and a hard place.
zenscreamer on October 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it…again I turn to a book I recently found title “The Roosevelt Myth”. It seems after getting the CCC and WPA through, plus a tripling of the deficit from a projected $1billion in 1933 to $3.3billion (the phrase more debt than all presidents in all of our history combined was coined at this time), Roosevelt wanted to get the National Recovery Act passed. With no bill to review a photo of a folded newspaper was used as a prop to display during the vote. It passed of course. Note, the NRA was declared unconstitutional later.
DanMan on October 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM
And the White House is only “postponing” its visit with the Dalai Lama after China “scores” American policy at a later date. Economic advisors could not be reached for comment.
Rovin on October 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM
I’m dubious.
SouthernGent on October 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM
They are going to need the Achievers to continue producing revenue to fund this monster and the rest of their Statist system.
What happens when they don’t cooperate with their own enslavement??
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM
This will be the same as amnesty. That bill was not really “killed” is was sent back to comittee. It can come roaring back at any time. That is why it is important to pay attention to what Congress is doing on a daily basis.
Johnnyreb on October 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I hope the CBO reacts to Obama the way the IOC did!
parteagirl on October 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Ummm..we don’t even have the legislative majorities to do anything about it. They can’t even get it though without procedural wrangling and shoving it through with reconciliation (not a genuine majority, ie 61 votes).
That’s why the Democrat kabuki dance this past summer was so hilarious – IT WAS ALL THEIR IDEA, THEIR BILL AND THEIR AGENDA ITEM. And their majorites and White House.
Can you believe they wanted to shove this through in two weeks without nobody raising a peep about it? Tells you all you need to know about this administration.
And as such, it is going to be entirely their fault when the system collapses. Not rooting for its collapse, but that’s the inevitable result.
We’re going to need to remind everyone in 10 years why were’ absolutely bankrupt and can’t pay off any debt anymore.
Remind them which party HAD TO HAVE this plan and did. And which party stood athwart with the majority of the American people as said “NO.”
Good Lt on October 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Paging John Galt….
zenscreamer on October 6, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I think they were planning to use pixie dust for green energy after bankrupting the coal power plants that provide 48% of our energy supply.
I keep getting all the unicorns, rainbows, pixies, and fairies used to make liberal policy work mixed up. What was it they were going to use to disarm Iran? Rainbow juice?
jhffmn on October 6, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Delay gives us even more “quality time” as the filthy liar in the White House continues to campaign. I fully expect another round of town halls, national speeches, and allegations of those racist naysayers.
highhopes on October 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM
If just ONE of the 60 Democratic senators votes NO on cloture, the bill is dead.
We’re soooo close! Melt the phones!
parteagirl on October 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Didn’t Frist have his opportunity to destroy the republic a few years ago?
Go away!
katy on October 6, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Dude, going Galt isn’t feasible in the real world. Besides the inevitable free-rider problem (you know, “achievers” who agree with you in principle, but would love to stay behind and take the sweet new job openings/promotions), this lawyer ain’t excited about fleeing to the mountains to camp/farm. It’s either that or living off the government’s dole and that would make me a hypocrite.
I ask again, for those of us who don’t really see going-galt or revolution as viable options, what’s our plan?
Trent1289 on October 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM
What ever happen to – KILL THE BILL!!!!! ?
katy on October 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM
CBO. The thugs know where you live.
enoughalready on October 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Chalkie 2016
Knucklehead on October 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Which is the scary part. There is a whole lot of radical agenda outstanding and not a whole lot of time left before politicians want to throttle back and campaign as centrists. The whole reason why there was urgency over Obamacare was that the filthy lying coward needed the fall free to work on other stuff.
The question is if there is a time when the rats cut their losses on healthcare and move on to amnesty or some other arguably more winnable agenda item.
highhopes on October 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Will the CBO include today’s costs for purchasing those white coats?
fogw on October 6, 2009 at 11:24 AM
So the CBO wants people to die in the streets just like me?
/SARC
gwelf on October 6, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Look out for the hokey stick graphs.
If we get people back to work that is insurance coverage for 18 million when you include families of workers.
seven on October 6, 2009 at 11:25 AM
The delay is to continue beating the bushes for Republican support, and there are still “safe” weasels who may just do that. I think it’s pretty good news that Party discipline is holding but the pressure continues on Snowe et al, as well as some “moderates” on the sidelines. If the CBO offers any figleaf of cover, don’t be surprised if some of them go streaking. Might actually be a good thing since it will re-rile up the base.
Randy
williars on October 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM
If there’s one thing even more toxic than Obamacare, it’s amnesty. Nobody wanted it 2 1/2 years ago during good economic times. And it’s safe to assume even fewer people want it now with unemployment at 9.8%.
Crap-and-betrayed will likely be nearly as controversial once word gets out about how much it’ll cost the individual taxpayer.
Obamacare is pretty much it for a legislative victory for the Dems and this Administration. There’s a reason Demint said this would be his Waterloo if it fails.
Doughboy on October 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Chicago 2013 !!!
Where I want I-bama to be residing.
TXUS on October 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM
PAINT SH!T ANY COLOR AND IT STILL STINKS…
Ltlgeneral64 on October 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM
I don’t know why the CBO report would sway anyone. Typical government programs cost several times the predictions made while the legislation was cooking.
I don’t expect any kind of break with tradition here.
applebutter on October 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM
There is something wrong with a government who cannot figure out a way to provide insurance to folks who don’t have it…who want it and can’t afford it, without turning into a monstrosity that costs billions of dollars we don’t have and threatens to affect every single person who currently has health care and is happy with it. If that was truly their goal, which obviously it wasn’t, surely even these feckless rumps could have cobbled something together that would address the real issues.
scalleywag on October 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM
That’s part of the problem, I don’t see any other viable options.
As taxes inevitably go up, people are going to drop out of the system, making it necessary to raise taxes in a viscous cycle until it all collapses.
It can happen on a gradual basis, or we can take matters into our own hands.
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM
In 1966, medicare cost 3 billion dollars.
In 1990, CBO said it would cost 12 billion.
In 1990, it actually cost 107 billion.
That’s all you’ll ever need to know about “estimates”
If CBO says it’s bad; it’s going to be worse.
lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM
I hate to be a downer, but this “emergency” health care “reform”, doesn’t even kick in until 2013. Obama planned it that way to get re-elected. You see most of the sheeple will forget about it’s passing because it will not have been implemented yet.He hopes to be securely in office when the sh.t hits the fan. Too late to do anything then. If the Republicans can re-take both houses of Congress then we have a chance.
sandee on October 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Economics is hard.
jukin on October 6, 2009 at 11:46 AM
The Statists can’t be stupid enough to not know that as taxes go up the economy slows down.
It’s basic logic: Punish an activity, and you get less of it, Reward an activity and you get more of it.
They have to know that this type of scheme of more and more taxation will destroy the economy.
They’re either too stupid to understand that, or that’s the goal they had in mind in the first place.
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Rahm has the CBO directors wife and kids in his office,….(for milk & cookies of course) until it’s findings are released.
“When can we leave?”
“Eat your F***ing Cookies”
portlandon on October 6, 2009 at 11:51 AM
I hope you’re right Ed … I really do.
HondaV65 on October 6, 2009 at 11:54 AM
GD I hate the liberal media.
SirGawain on October 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Want to bet that Barry calls in the head of the CBO for a pep talk prior to the release of the cost figures?
GarandFan on October 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Going Galt is perfectly feasible and is working right now, didn’t you get the memo? A huge percentage of Achievers in this Country are hoarding their Wealth, taking less pay, using the tax code to their advantage (Write off those losses, yo!) and doing everything to bring about an “Atlas Shrugged” scenario. Have you seen the Tax receipts going into the FedGov? Like all leaderless movements, figure out your own way to pull the beast down.
Three More Years….
GunRunner on October 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Don’t believe it. Once passed, how much you want to bet is is “accelerated” if it looks like Barry is going to be replaced. This is just too shiny a toy.
Besides, with all the changes, how do you know that they just won’t change this section?
GunRunner on October 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
more on going galt: stop spending unless you have to. this hurts other businesses, i realize, but you accomplish 2 things: you save more of your own money & you pay less sales taxes. and its the local govts that scream loudest when they don’t get their sales taxes.
we have to pressure these lying America-haters every way we can.
kelley in virginia on October 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM
It’s a feature. The more you are made to suffer, the more you will need them.
lorien1973 on October 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM
who above said that we have to watch Congress everyday?
a “mom” on Beck said a few weeks ago that she & her friends used to talk fashion & the price of groceries. now they talk of nothing but politics. good for you MOMS!
kelley in virginia on October 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM
PIG IN A POKE!
scalleywag on October 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Very good points – however I would be real careful on the tax side of things.
There has to be a way of interrupting the “Tytler Cycle”, Going Galt maybe the only way, but if anyone has any better ideas, we’re all ears.
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Kind of like an abused wife.
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 12:18 PM
spider pig, spider pig
workingforpigs on October 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Maybe they’ll force the CBO to put white coats on the pig and sell it to us anyway.
Schadenfreude on October 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Love it! Are the CBO people the only ones in government doing their jobs?
CBO to Obama: You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.
Where have we heard that before?
2009: The year the unelected number-crunchers at CBO saved the Republic.
Obama to William Ayers: Hey, dude, could you arrange for something to go bump in the night in Elmendorf’s house? We could arrange for ACORN to compensate you with a tenured position at Hahvid…
Steve Z on October 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Former members of the Government. They probably haven’t read the bill.
Steve Z on October 6, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Short of American citizens taking to the streets, there is no way we are going to stop them from passing something. Rest assured that that “something” will not be good for us. They have never been this close and given the losing streak Obama is on, they will do whatever it takes to pass something while they still have the muscle.
mountainmanbob on October 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM
I’m not interested in this Baucus plan, even though I really supported public option. So I’m glad to see we’ll have real information.
I don’t understand how the Senate could have even considered NOT waiting, given all the focus on this bill. That would have been a disastrous move.
The CBO analysis could have really made them look, yet again, as though they were ramming through a bad bill.
AnninCA on October 6, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I think they did take to the streets. Every pro-reform march failed dismally. The opposition caught everyone’s attention.
At this point, it comes down to truly Congressional votes.
AnninCA on October 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM
To be fair, the Senate Finance Committee has probably been the most responsible when it comes to dealing with this issue. That’s not to say I support their bill but, unlike HR 3200, their work is a little bit more than just a radical socialist wish list.
highhopes on October 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM
How long does it take for someone to not read a bill? Is a reasonable time one millisecond?
cavman on October 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
This whole debacle has me on edge, and stressed to the max. The fact that hubby has surgery on Thursday doesn’t help either. But I’m grateful for insurance right now, and hopefully in the future.
I’m ready to make more calls, and hell…at this point, I’m ready to make appointments, and toddle my behind up to Washington, if that’s what it takes. An angry menopausal woman on their heels, griping, and b!tching…muwhahahahahahaha!!!
capejasmine on October 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Gee, Woman’s Sufferage was a complete failure? Prohibition (the reform not the results)? Both of these pro-reform movements was based largely on marches and civic activism. I put the current environment in much the same category unlike, say, the ERA amendment which was more an ideological cause than a legitimate cultural movement.
You like everybody in California have no sense of history- just a tiny little warped view that
highhopes on October 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Democrat Football & Economic Logic:
They thought we would lose by 30 points, and we only lost by 24.
We Won!
PaddyJ on October 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
I’ve been saying this for years: when “Atlas Shrugs”, it won’t be a handful of geniuses moving off to an invisible canyon somewhere. It will be millions of taxpayers quietly realizing that the federal government is not on their side.
We will never out-reproduce a class of people while we have to pay to raise their own children before our own. And we will never out-demagogue a movement that prides itself on freedom from the constraints of reality.
Conservatives have one, and only one, source of power: the fact that we produce the vast majority of this nation’s wealth – and pay virtually all its taxes.
Obama couldn’t find enough Democrat taxpayers to fill his freaking CABINET — and that’s just the showpiece one; is anybody out there really enough of an idiot to imagine that his neo-Communist Czars have ever paid what they think of as “everybody else’s fair share”?
Starve the beast. It’s our only hope. Don’t pay zero; it’s too easy to get caught. Instead, gunk up the system as much as you can. Fill out all the most elaborate deduction schemes you can think of. When it’s all said and done, go ahead and pay the 5% for defense – it’s worth it. But don’t pay the additional 2.5% of your income that should be adequate for domestic spending until the federal government has proved they can control themselves enough to use it properly.
And then add your own personal touch. Maybe once you’ve dodged everything you possibly can, overpay the total by about 17 cents. When they try to refund it, get in a rabid letter-writing campaign and demand that they take it back. Anything to gunk up the system.
logis on October 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance Trent.
Nothing easy about it I’m afraid.
Chaz706 on October 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Curses! Foiled again! If it weren’t for those meddling citizens…..
BobMbx on October 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Short of armed revolution… not really. Going Galt seems to be the better idea.
Chaz706 on October 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM
The “tea party” march was successful, as were the townhalls in expressing voter dismay with healthcare reform was the point I was making.
I’m unclear on the point you’re making, to be honest.
AnninCA on October 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM
I won’t believe the CBO estimate any way:
1.) It’s not the legislative language. Even they said they couldn’t adequately analyze the cost unless it was in the final legislative language.
2.) Suddenly after meeting with Obamarx, they miraculously lowered their estimate on the House bill.
They all lie!
TriciaNC on October 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Why don’t the post what got sent to the CBO ?
J_Crater on October 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM
That’s the way I see it, I really wish there were a better way, but if we don’t stop this we’re all in for a world of hurt.
These types of Collectivist systems have always failed but only after a lot of people suffer.
If our ‘Rulers’ won’t listen to marches and tea parties, maybe they will listen to a general strike by the achievers and producers.
I don’t see any other way.
Juno77 on October 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM
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