More Pelosi: McChrystal needs to stop giving speeches; Petraeus: Afghanistan needs “substantial” commitment

posted at 6:54 pm on October 6, 2009 by Allahpundit

For once, she has a point. Sort of.

“Let me say this about about General McChrystal, with all due respect,” Pelosi said, according to a transcript sent my way by a Pelosi aide. “His recommendations to the president should go up the line of command. They shouldn’t be in press conferences.”

McChrystal warned in a speech last week that pursuing a narrower mission in Afghanistan than the one he outlined in a recent assessment envisioning a broad counterinsurgency strategy would be “shortsighted.”

In the interview last night, Pelosi hit McChrystal for his public declaration. “I think that that’s not where this debate takes place,” she said. “The president gets the recommendations of the military.”

McChrystal’s speech wasn’t nearly as tough as his critics pretend, but even so, surely he realizes that by speaking out he’s creating political pressure on the commander-in-chief. The public’s more apt to trust a field commander’s assessment of troop levels than the far-flung D.C. bureaucracy’s in the first place, but combine that with the fact that The One, as a liberal Democrat, bears the burden of being presumed weak in military matters and McChrystal is throwing around a lot of weight here — which isn’t something a commanding officer should have to deal with from a subordinate. But if the answer is for him to kindly shut his mouth, how to address this incisive pushback from William Galston at TNR?

McChrystal is offering his professional judgment well in advance of a presidential decision. Yes, he’s doing it in public, but that’s something that small-“d” democrats should welcome. Combined with the leaking of his report, his London speech has triggered a public debate that is much more robust and better informed than it would otherwise have been.

Jones suggested that military advice should “come up through the chain of command,” while Gates chastised that it is “imperative” that military and civilian leaders “provide our best advice to the president candidly but privately.” How quickly we forget: That was the rationale used to muzzle General Eric Shinseki during the run up to the Iraq war. Wouldn’t we have been better off to have had a no-holds-barred debate involving senior military officials prior to the invasion about the number of troops it would take to stabilize Iraq after the invasion? Wouldn’t we have had the kind of public discussion that the American people deserved but did not get?

How do you protect the president’s prerogative as commander-in-chief while minimizing the risk that ideological/electoral considerations in the White House will trump valid military concerns? To some extent it’s a problem built into civilian control of the military, since you’ve got a political person atop the chain of command, but it’ll never be taken lightly again after Shinseki. One compromise solution is to give dissenting generals a public forum by having them testify before Congress about strategy, but that raises worries about separation of powers and has politicized clusterfark potential if Congress is controlled by the opposing party and is trying to use the dissenters to undercut the president.

No good answers. While you try to come up with one, here’s a double whammy of conservative grassroots all-stars: Liz Cheney defending McChrystal on “Morning Joe,” even in the teeth of Shinseki-related objections from Mike Barnicle, and Sarahcuda urging The One to stay the course on Facebook.

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Update: America’s superstar general is more coy than McChrystal was by refusing to define his terms, but he knows how these comments will be interpreted. More military weight thrown at The One:

Gen. David Petraeus, the head of the U.S. Central Command, said that the situation in Afghanistan needs “sustained and substantial” commitment.

His statements echoed the assessment made by the senior U.S. general in Afghanistan, Stanley McChrystal.

However, Petraeus, in his comments Tuesday to a convention of the Association of the United States Army (AUSA), refused to detail what a substantial commitment means and whether it would translate to sending more troops into Afghanistan.

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Wait a second, is Pelosi in his chain of command?

Quick answer: no.

Red Cloud on October 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

BO hired him…

d1carter on October 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Mike Barnicle? Flamin’ Jackass.

BTW the main reason Shineski got his job was because he’s from Kaua’i, about 100 miles west of where O’bama claims to have been born.

Del Dolemonte on October 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

If Obama would sh*t or get off the pot this wouldn’t be an issue.

Meanwhile soldiers are getting blown away for no discernible purpose.

Anders on October 6, 2009 at 7:00 PM

If Ogabe actually spent some time working on the problem rather than gallivanting (thats right I said gallivanting) around the world on his continuing “Look At Me” tour, maybe our generals wouldn’t feel the need to sidestep the normal process.

Bishop on October 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Hey Nazi Pelosi, I suggest you take your own words seriously and apply them to the current crop of leftist goons in Congress trying to run this country into the ground:

It’s time to drain the [eff'ing] swamp!!!!!!!

Sweet_Thang on October 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM

First of Nancy, it is the “chain of command”. Stupid b!tch. Second of all does anyone other than myself think that the General did what he did to MAKE Obama actually pay attention to what is going on over there. How much time has The O spent talking about the war compared to..oh I don’t know say…health care? I say good for McCrystal. I hope that he keeps holding Obama’s feet to the fire. Believe it or not, war really a is a life and death situation.

milwife88 on October 6, 2009 at 7:02 PM

His recommendations to the president should go up the line of command

As far as I know there is no “chain of command” between the general and the President. There’s the General and above him the President.

Since Obama never speaks to the General I don’t blame him from “talking through the media” since Obama has been unapproachable by any other means.

Guardian on October 6, 2009 at 7:02 PM

And Speakers of the House shouldn’t be popping off to Syria to conduct their own “foreign policy.”

Wethal on October 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Quit b*tching and give our military the tools to finish the job, you plastic bag of sh*t.

HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM

How about a nice prayer for Petraeus, since he has cancer and is still kicking butt and taking names!

upinak on October 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Up your clacker, Bella Pelousy!

Guess it was ok to go to Syria when President Bush was the Commander In Chief.

Oh man, I’d love to see this pile of cat sick kicked out on her nasty keister!

Gob on October 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM

It’s time to drain the [eff'ing] swamp!!!!!!!

Sweet_Thang on October 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM

and give the farmers some water for the crops.

upinak on October 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Allah,

McChrystal’s speech wasn’t nearly as tough as his critics pretend, but even so, surely he realizes that by speaking out he’s creating political pressure on the commander-in-chief

.

Uh huh a seasoned military officer is doing this, he knows exactly what he is doing. What does that tell you? Something about what’s going on inside the ranks. First you know General Stanley McChyrstal isn’t a rookie so why is he using this very public strategy to apply political pressure on the Commander in Chief? And why is Nancy Peolsi out front instructing a General, a General in the field, whose chain of command doesn’t include her? President Obama doesn’t think he looks weak and indecisive now? How does it look having Nancy Pelosi insert herself into this issue? So the Speaker of the House is going to fight all the President’s fights for him? Why? Progressives (The New Left) have no clue how to use the Military Instrument for National Security.

And don’t think for a second McChrystal or Patraeus are concerned about Pelosi she can’t do much more than she is doing right now. Bringing attention to an issue that doesn’t make the President look very good in the eyes of the American People.

Dr Evil on October 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Well that’s two … The best generals America has says it’s either all in or out.

tarpon on October 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

These people don’t respect the military so they can stow the crap about ‘all due respect’.

The military had it tough under Clinton and many, many non-coms quit. Now that we are in a war and we have personnel in harms way, the choices are not that simple.

The American people have elected pure idiots to run this nation. It is a simple fact that the greatest military in history is going to have a hard time dealing with the worse administration and congress in history.

I’m guessing military coup is out of the question? That being the case, screw chain of command when it’s filled with incompetent, self serving, dimwits that would sacrifice brigades of enlisted souls if they thought it could get them elected or richer.

Hening on October 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Liz Cheney is great! She’s so eloquent.

terryannonline on October 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Can Obama even grasp the concept of victory without thinking its jingoism.

rob verdi on October 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Hey, this poor general has done everything but put a gun to the Commander in Chief’s head. What more can he do, bury the fallen on the White House south lawn?

Or would that be racist?

manwithblackhat on October 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM

We’re really screwed if McChrystal and Patraeus resign.

mimi1220 on October 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Pelosi is an utter trainwreck.

rob verdi on October 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Maybe, just maybe, if President Pantywaist would stop campaigning and actually start leading, this would be a non-issue.

But I fear, he and his ‘advisers’ are using their collective ‘intellectualism’ to determine which route to take, all the while our troops are dying because of this indecisiveness.

As a veteran, I find his conduct disgusting.

Gothguy on October 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM

If his recommendations should follow the line of command, why did obie meet with him in Copenhagen. It was an apparent friendly meeting, so why. Perhaps the criticism from those that thought he should meet with the General. Is the strategy based on criticism.

rjoco1 on October 6, 2009 at 7:10 PM

How about a nice prayer for Petraeus, since he has cancer and is still kicking butt and taking names!

upinak on October 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM

AMEN

IowaWoman on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Pelosi is an utter trainwreck.

rob verdi on October 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Yep. Fortunately, I don’t think she will Speaker for much longer. THANK GOD!

terryannonline on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Why can’t this McChrystal fella shut the F up and stop playing politics with our national security. What is next? A liberal general undermining a conservative president if we ever have one again.

Afrolib on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

who’s going to tell Liz that she should go on Red Eye…since they have more viewers?

r keller on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I think it is time for people to understand that the military is an apolitical institution, and that as part of that deal on issues of major strategy the commanders will neutrally state their opinions if asked–and that includes to the media. It is a way for the people to understand what is going on–the concept of the honest broker.

For it is not the job of the United States Armed Forces to make life politically palatable for the politicians. General McChrystal gave his opinion on a military subject when he was asked. He did not impugn character or motive. He did not attack. He indicated that the final decision would be followed and the plan of the day executed. He did exactly what an officer is supposed to do–state his opinion, right or wrong, forthrightly.

We need more of this, period, and if Democrats don’t like it, tough. And if Republicans after them don’t like it, tough. The Armed Forces are a seperate institution and not an extension of either political party. Maybe, just maybe, when the politicians–and their young inexperienced aides–start figuring out that the Armed Forces and the national military strategy are something not to be treated as part of a perpetual campaign for the benefit of themselves, we can get to Ms. Pelosi’s desire for advice to be private (however convenient it may be for the moment, to be discarded later if a Republican there be in the White House). But, as I indicate in my first paragraph, I’m not sure that is really wise anyway. At this juncture in history–not a chance.

The politicians do not own either the country or the military. The people do. They–people and pols both–would do well to remember this. The politicians only hold a trust, not a trust fund of political capital to be spent as they see fit.

Senior officers should be able to speak with stoic bluntness and not have to play the politician–and then should be able to execute faithfully the orders of the chain of command. Thus, if pols and their supporters don’t want the military or the wars it fights politicized, then don’t politicize it. Let the battle of ideas be fought in the public arena, and then let the real battle be fought, or not.

Horatius on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

If only the witch would fly a broom. We should be so lucky.

Schadenfreude on October 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

We’re really screwed if McChrystal and Patraeus resign.

mimi1220 on October 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I don’t think they will resign. I hope not!

terryannonline on October 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I don’t recall her telling the Clarks et co. to shut up.

Schadenfreude on October 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Stop giving speeches??? WTF
Look at the POTUS and the number of speeches he has given.

Speaker Pelosi….quit the botox treatments, they truly are affecting your brain.

WORST SPEAKER EVER!!!!!!

SmallGovtGuy on October 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Why can’t this McChrystal fella shut the F up and stop playing politics with our national security. What is next? A liberal general undermining a conservative president if we ever have one again.

Afrolib on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Uh, obama PICKED McChrystal, idiot.

HornetSting on October 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM

AP,

How many generals do you know personally?

I’m serious.

Christien on October 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I really want to know who isn’t this current Administration going to Alienate? That’s the short list.

Dr Evil on October 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Change course or add troops. Or start writing the letters to the parents your own goddam self.

And incrementalism should’ve died with McNamara, or hasn’t this year’s boy-genius figured that out?

Doorgunner on October 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM

General McChrystal is just doing all he can to save our brave soldiers. The Dems don’t care about them AT ALL.

Our soldiers need us now more than ever. I’m a “Soldier’s Angel”. If you would like to sponsor a soldier (a care package a month and a card a week) PLEASE check out this awesome organization.

http://www.soldiersangels.org/

I’ve been doing it for 3 years and just got my 6th soldier today. They need us now, more than ever. Look who is their Commander In Chief!

Gob on October 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM

First you know General Stanley McChyrstal isn’t a rookie so why is he using this very public strategy to apply political pressure on the Commander in Chief?
Dr Evil on October 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

He and Petraeus are both much, much smarter than either Chicago Jesus or San Fran Nan…they are getting their expert opinions out there in the public eye, where there can be no denying who said what. This is absolutely brilliant – because if/when The One forks things up by doing nothing at all, there won’t be any doubt as to who’s responsibility it was. “Inherit” this, big boy.

uncivilized on October 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

The generals would contact Zero directly but Obambi is always away on vacation.

viking01 on October 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Wait a second, is Pelosi in his chain of command?

Quick answer: no.

Red Cloud on October 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

But Nancy? We wouldn’t mind if you decided to take a first hand look at Afghanistan, and give your assessment of what’s needed. As a tax payer, I won’t gripe one bit about the cost to us, to send you to the front lines, so you can get a first hand look, and see for yourself, just what’s needed to be done, to make this a success for the U.S., as I’m sure that’s what you want too. Also… in keeping with your liberal ideology, and such, we won’t squawk a bit, that you would NEVER user, or carry a gun, and we know, and respect your values, in the fact that you would never want a gun used by another, in your defense. So you go, and well….let us know! ;)

capejasmine on October 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Perhaps General McChrystal told Obama what he needed six months ago and only now, due to Obama’s avoidance, felt like he had to escalate the situation in the interests of our soldiers and war effort.

Men in McChrystal’s position get where they are for a reason. He knew exactly the impact a public appeal would have on Obama. He weighed the risks and did what he had to do. I don’t fault him, not with Obongo in the White House. Shut up, Nancy.

flyfisher on October 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Hey Nancy…

… How is that “the CIA lied to us” press conference treating ‘ya?

Seven Percent Solution on October 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

. . . and Pelosi needs to blow it out her ear or the orifice of her choice.

rplat on October 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM

We Must Win in Afghanistan
Today at 2:57pm
For two years as a candidate, Senator Obama called for more resources for the war in Afghanistan and warned about the consequences of failure. As President, he announced a comprehensive new counterinsurgency strategy and handpicked the right general to execute it. Now General McChrystal is asking for additional troops to implement the strategy announced by President Obama in March. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, sisters and brothers in harm’s way in Afghanistan right now. We owe it to all those brave Americans serving in uniform to give them the tools they need to complete their mission.

We can win in Afghanistan by helping the Afghans build a stable representative state able to defend itself. And we must do what it takes to prevail. The stakes are very high. The 9/11 attacks were planned in Afghanistan, and if we are not successful there, al Qaeda will once again find a safe haven, the Taliban will impose its cruelty on the Afghan people, and Pakistan will be less stable.

Our allies and our adversaries are watching to see if we have the staying power to protect our interests in Afghanistan. I recently joined a group of Americans in urging President Obama to devote the resources necessary in Afghanistan and pledged to support him if he made the right decision. Now is not the time for cold feet, second thoughts, or indecision — it is the time to act as commander-in-chief and approve the troops so clearly needed in Afghanistan.

- Sarah Palin

lovingmyUSA on October 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM

If the General doesn’t give speeches, how will Obama know what he needs? It’s not like they talk much.

Ronnie on October 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Can Morning Jive Joe stop with the what if’s already. These people are obsessed with gotcha’s and major interrupting.They dont hear a thing of whats being said,due to wanting to POUNCE on the well informed and WAY smarter guest

justonevictory on October 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM

which isn’t something a commanding officer should have to deal with from a subordinate.

…if we had a “commanding” anything up there…but, alas…the wind is blowing…

What is next? A liberal general undermining a conservative president if we ever have one again.

Afrolib on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

We will have one again, sooner than you wish, and they will talk, as sure as the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. I don’t approve of it, but Nancy, and leftards, have dual standards, and that’s what this is all about.

Schadenfreude on October 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Why can’t this McChrystal fella shut the F up and stop playing politics with our national security…

Afrolib on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Feel free to tell that in person to the assembled family of serviceman wh has died in the past month.

Or STFU, jackass.

Doorgunner on October 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Why can’t this McChrystal fella shut the F up and stop playing politics with our national security. What is next? A liberal general undermining a conservative president if we ever have one again.

Afrolib on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

There’s no such thing as a “liberal” General.
Active-duty, anyway.

mrt721 on October 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

I love how Liz owned Joe and the panel. They kept trying to side-track her, but she knew what she was talking about and didn’t let go! She is her father’s daughter! I love the dig she got in at the end when they asked her about the Olympic failure–she said she was disappointed because “it was embarrassing for the President and embarrassing for the country”…Loved it!

lovingmyUSA on October 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Gen. David Petraeus, the head of the U.S. Central Command, said that the situation in Afghanistan needs “sustained and substantial” commitment.
His statements echoed the assessment made by the senior U.S. general in Afghanistan, Stanley McChrystal.

In other words, no “voting present” allowed.

Thanks GEN Petraeus.

ted c on October 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

I won.

I’m present.

The buck stops over there. The line of command doesn’t point at me.

No sir. There may be flies on other guys, but they ain’t no flies on me.

Dhuka on October 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

I have a feeling McChrystal tried what Nancy suggested, and that it didn’t work. How many months did Obama go before being publicly pressured into talking to him again??

xax on October 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

This, I’m sure is somehow Bush’s fault…or McChrystal and Petraeus are racists….or anything but having a man-shild as CIC.

jukin on October 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM

How do we keep military actions from being politicized? I do think it is a problem and has been for decades.

terryannonline on October 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM

This is a case where two general’s are “managing the boss.”

Someone has to do it.

ted c on October 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

From now on I will refer to Nancy Pelosi by her rightful name (it’s hate speech Nancy like Congressman Grayson ya know?). Nan your new name is Barbie, Witch of the House (or some final variation).

The woman is a pawn. And I must say the reason that Petraeus and McChrystal are going outside the chain of command might, just might be for the sake of the thousands of men on the ground in harms’ way for this country.

Could it be that they know that Our American Jesus is playing politics with this issue (and using it as leverage for Congressional negotiations with GOP or House Dems that might be “hawks”)?

Is it possible that they KNOW that he really wants to pull out our even create another Vietnam to humiliate the military (the Left hates the military based on what John Kerry and Dick Durbin, John Murtha said about the troops in Iraq).

I would believe the Generals. Is it possible that they see WEAKNESS in Our American Jesus?

Barbie the Botox Witch of the House (see her new name is already evolving) needs to go back to her broom closet and cry and moan about the “violence” of San Fran 30 years ago.

Geeesh.

PappyD61 on October 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

It’s possible I don’t have all the facts (where have I heard that before) and I understand that the Gen is commanding US forces but is it possible that since he is not getting what is desperately needed from his CIC, he was simply begging our allies to assist?

no sarc tag – I’m serious. Our boys are dying and our Precedent is out to lunch. Wouldn’t you send out an SOS too?

gopmom on October 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Why can’t this McChrystal fella shut the F up and stop playing politics with our national security…

Afrolib on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

In your ear dipstick. McChystal has elected to voice his opinion and will take his blows if necessary. If Obama doesn’t like it he can fire him. So, to quote you . . . why don’t you shut the F up.

rplat on October 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

When the CiC is an undecicive wuss of an eunuch, the general has a moral obligation to speak up.

The generals learned how to do/not do this in Iraq. Good on them. This way the blame is put at the feet of the responsible one.

Schadenfreude on October 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Allah “No Good Answers”

This isn’t an intellectual exercise. This is our National Security, they took an oath to protect us. They know things none of us know.

Dr Evil on October 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I served under both Carter and Clinton. They were bad but I can’t imagine having this a$$hat at the top of my chain of command. General McChrystal has done the nation a service by exposing teh One’s waffling.

farright on October 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

The General did send his report up the chain. Nanny might be a little farked that she didn’t get a copy but he did send it where it was supposed to go. Hussein promply announced it was going to sit while he thought about what to say in Copenhagen, the Planned Parenthood gala and what to get Mama for the 17th yippee. Pelosi would prefer we not think about Bama’s sense of priority right now.

Of course, Obama has issued unworkable and dangerous ROE’s to McCrystal, based on Bama’s extensive understanding of warfare, which are costing US and Afghan lives and enabling the Taliban to be more aggressive and effective. So Bama knows how to enable the enemy.

If I were McC, I might put a little pressure on the man, meself. I want as few of my commanders as possible writing condolences letters to families of soldiers lost in battle, least of all by stupid rules. I want to make the Taliban commanders write those letters…unless I can kill them too. Then the Taliban REMF’s can write the letters…unless a UAV can interfere. Actually, I don’t care much if the Taliban letters ever get written, but better they be writing than soldiering.

Harry Schell on October 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Pelosi needs to shut her stupid trap and resign.

It is tyranny having this obviously corrupt and stunningly incompetent woman, with influence over our lives and the future of our country.

The Democrat Party is an illegitimate, festering sewer of utter idiocy.

NoDonkey on October 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

If the Americans would focus their energy on taking oil fields and other sources of mvslim wealth, it seems it would then be easier to pacify the region–and less important to do so.

Kralizec on October 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

And Pelosi ought to be in jail for her un-Constitutional and illegal trip to Syria. I saw this and was ticked that the interviewer didn’t hit Nanzi with this obvious point. Pelosi likes doing stuff like this, just as when she called Tea Partiers “Nazis” and then complained about name calling because we tell the truth about the Traitor-in-Chief.

progressoverpeace on October 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Knucklehead on October 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM

CHECK THIS OUT:
It happened on Sept. 21, 1991, when Gen. Petraeus was commanding the Third Battalion of the 101st Airborne in Fort Campbell, Ky. He was at a live-fire training exercise. A soldier tripped on his M-16, and it discharged. The bullet hit Gen. Petraeus in the chest.
He was taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. A local surgeon got beeped and called in. He was told there was a Life Flight helicopter coming in with a guy with a gunshot wound to the chest. He was hemorrhaging.

The surgeon rushed to Vanderbilt and arrived before the helicopter. It landed, the elevator doors opened, and the surgeon saw a soldier on a gurney with a tube in his chest. A uniformed man was next to the patient, along with a nurse carrying bottles of blood draining from the wound.

Doctors at busy Vanderbilt hospital were used to treating gunshot wounds, and the fact that the patient was military was “a nonissue,” as the surgeon said the other day in a telephone interview.

What was an issue was that the patient had lost a lot of blood, was pale, and was losing more.

The surgeon had to decide whether to open Gen. Petraeus up right away or stabilize him. The general was conscious, so the surgeon said, “Listen, I gotta make a decision about whether to take you straight to surgery or stabilize you first, give you blood.”

Gen. Petraeus looked up at the surgeon and said, “Don’t waste any time. Get it done. Let’s get on with it.”

“That’s unusual”, the surgeon told me. “Usually patients want to stabilize, wait.” This one wanted to move.

At this point I’ll note that the surgeon that day 16 years ago was Dr. Bill Frist, who later became Sen. Frist, and then Majority Leader Frist. He had never met Gen. Petraeus before.
Dr. Frist got Gen. Petraeus to the third-floor operating room, opened his chest, removed a flattened bullet that had torn through the top of a lung, stopped the hemorrhaging, took out part of a lung.

The operation was successful, and within 24 hours Gen. Petraeus asked Dr. Frist if he could be transferred back to the base hospital so his soldiers wouldn’t be too concerned. “As soon as he was stable, we got him over there. His soldiers were first and foremost in his mind. That’s why they like him so much.”

Gen. Petraeus, says Dr. Frist, now describes his wound to troops as damage done by a round “that went right through my right chest–happily over the ‘A’ in Petraeus rather than over the ‘A’ in U.S. Army, as the latter is over my heart.”

Over the years, Dr. Frist and Gen. Petraeus became friends. They found they’d both done graduate work at the Woodrow Wilson school at Princeton, where Dr. Frist is about to return as a teacher. They ran the Army 10-miler in Washington together–”He left me in the dust!” exclaims the doctor–and the Frists spent time with Holly Petraeus when her husband was fighting in Baghdad.

The majority leader also visited Gen. Petraeus in Iraq, and wound up, three years ago, standing with him “on a hot, dusty compound” where the general was leading exercises training young Iraqi soldiers.

Mr. Frist says that after observing the young recruits carry out their exercises, Petraeus gathered them around and told them what happened on that fateful day in 1991. He introduced the senator and told them of the role he’d played. “He didn’t say we got the majority leader of the Senate here, he said, ‘This was my doctor.’” Why was he telling them the story? “The point was to tell them, ‘Listen, if you’re not perfect right now you can grow, you can make mistakes, people are forgiving, you’ll grow.’” The point was also to thank the soldiers at Fort Campbell who cared for them in the minutes after he was shot.

What does it all mean? Life is interesting, mysterious, and has an unseen circularity. You never know in any given day what’s going to happen or who’s going to have a big impact on you and on others. A future military commander got shot, and a future leader of the Senate stopped the bleeding.
What Mr. Frist, a supporter of more time for and renewed commitment to Iraq, gets from the story is this: What he saw and heard that day 16 years ago, is what he’s seen from Gen. Petraeus in the years since: “straightforward decisiveness” and a “call for action with results.”

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110010448

lovingmyUSA on October 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM

I’m on the General’s side. He keeps asking for more troops and armament, and Obama is busy chatting it up with Letterman and Oprah.

Palin/Cheney 2012

cubachi on October 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM

If the Americans would focus their energy on taking oil fields

Kralizec on October 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

That really ought to help the PR battle – yes, we’re in it for the oil after all.

gopmom on October 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM

This seems to be Obama’s Vietnam.

Too bad Howard Dean wasn’t the nominee in 2008. Obama is too slimy.

Spathi on October 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

. If Obama doesn’t like it he can fire him.
rplat on October 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

And I’m afraid that is what he’s going to do. He’s going under the bus.

Knucklehead on October 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

If the Americans would focus their energy on taking oil fields and other sources of mvslim wealth, it seems it would then be easier to pacify the region–and less important to do so.

Kralizec on October 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Hear, hear. All threats from the arab/persian/muslim world start and stop with control of the gulf oil fields. That is the key to everything.

progressoverpeace on October 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

This seems to be Obama’s Vietnam.

Too bad Howard Dean wasn’t the nominee in 2008. Obama is too slimy.

Spathi on October 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Afghanistan is nothing like Veitnam.

terryannonline on October 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Obam’s being pulled from the one side, e.g. historian Bob Dallek, telling him that his presidency will be destroyed by Afghanistan like the Great Society was by Vietnam, the New Deal by WWII et cetera.

On the other hand, he knows that if he abandons Afghanistan and we’re hit again by AQ, his presidency will be over.

So, he’s apparently going to split the baby for now. Send 20,000 or so and see what happens.

Muddling through may buy him more time but it won’t solve the problem.

SteveMG on October 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

“His recommendations to the president should go up the line of command. They shouldn’t be in press conferences.”

—- Nancy Pelosi

The only chain of command our newest general, Pelosi, understands is…

Soros > Podesta > Ballerina > Obama > Pelosi > Reid.

McChrystal, Petraeus, Gates: Chopped Liver.

TXUS on October 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Why should San Fran Nan care what the General says….Don’t they lie all the time.

Dire Straits on October 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

uncivilized on October 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

They are only concerned about the power grab that’s entailed in this so called health insurance reform bill…this is a sticky wicket.

“Nancies” are being outflanked GRIN.

Dr Evil on October 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

No, Afghanistan won’t be Obama’s Vietnam but it does take away political capital that he can use domestically.

This is why the left is against it. They know that attention directed toward Afghanistan is attention taken away from the European-style statist government they want.

SteveMG on October 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Why should San Fran Nan care what the General says….Don’t they lie all the time.

Dire Straits on October 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

No silly….that is just the CIA (according to Mrs. Pelosi).

terryannonline on October 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

If the Americans would focus their energy on taking oil fields and other sources of mvslim wealth, it seems it would then be easier to pacify the region–and less important to do so.

Kralizec on October 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

So we are there to exploit the oil wealth of the muslims? WTF???

lovingmyUSA on October 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

TXUS on October 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Funny!

Now, had McChrystal been going outside the chain of command to report the maltreatment of gays, then he’d be a hero. Since that wasn’t the case, well, sit down General….

—and call me Madam Speaker, I think i’ve earned it.

ted c on October 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Takes no shiz Liz.

the_nile on October 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Afghanistan is nothing like Veitnam.

Is that because it’s longer than Vietnam?

Spathi on October 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

yeah right…up the chain of command while the Messiah goes to dinner with Hugo Chavez for pointers on how to ignore these kind of messages so he can continue to spread Radical Islam and Socialism…..

NO WAY NAZI PELOSI!

SDarchitect on October 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Perhaps McChrystal sees the situation as more desperate than the “Generals” in the White House. While they wax, wane, and ponder what to do next, McChrystal is the one sending troops into harms way while WAITING for Barry to mull over his options.

Bet anything Barry is LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT.

GarandFan on October 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM

There’s no such thing as a “liberal” General.
Active-duty, anyway.

mrt721 on October 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Uh, when he was active, Clinton’s fellow Arkansas Bubba Wes was as liberal as they come. And ended up getting fired after he almost started World War 3.

Del Dolemonte on October 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Wait a second, is Pelosi in his chain of command? Quick answer: no. Red Cloud on October 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Ummm she IS 2 heart beats away…that ought to make us all drink.
Interesting that he spent longer with dufus’ from Congress on this than the GEN (25 min).

Dingbat63 on October 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Yeah, OK – Pelosi???

You’re disqualified from commenting because of past rank partisanship.

Generally speaking, the generals should make their recommendations up the chain of command.

And, generally speaking, if the Prez rejects their recommendation in favor of a policy the generals oppose that unnecessarily puts our troops at risk for no worthwhile purpose, the generals ought to tender their resignation.

Now then – - – what about the general who, reading the tea leaves, believes the Prez is headed towards rejecting his recommendation & embracing policy that will get young men & women killed for no good reason?

McChrystal is a counter-insurgency expert. Obama just appointed him for the Afghan theatre 6 months ago & appointed him knowing where his expertise lies. The notion that Obama is even considering pulling back from a counter-insurgency strategy

BD57 on October 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

So we are there to exploit the oil wealth of the muslims? WTF???

lovingmyUSA on October 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

He’s suggesting that we cut off the biggest source of funding for the Islamic world – oil. Not a bad idea, really, and quite frankly we don’t have much to lose on the PR front on that matter – the libtards have firmly cemented the nonsense of American oil imperialism as one of the primary reasons for involvement in the ME for the better part of a decade.

Dark-Star on October 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

We’re not fighting a nationalist movement in Afghanistan. It’s a radical sectarian movement that doesn’t have the support of the people.

Really, the quality of the trolls here is awful.

SteveMG on October 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

is appalling.

BD57 on October 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

if you haven’t seen drudge in the past few, check it.

ted c on October 6, 2009 at 7:34 PM

From Reuters:

Stephen Cohen, an expert at the Brookings Institution think tank, said it was “inconceivable” that Obama would abandon a counterinsurgency strategy so soon after launching it.

SteveMG on October 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Why can’t this McChrystal fella shut the F up and stop playing politics with our national security. What is next? A liberal general undermining a conservative president if we ever have one again.

Afrolib on October 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Wow, did you have to work hard at being this stupid, or is it a natural talent.

That really ought to help the PR battle – yes, we’re in it for the oil after all.

gopmom on October 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM

This is the problem, stop waging a PR/PC war and wage a REAL WAR.

MadDogF on October 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Der Leader and Pelousy – doubling down on stupid

TheVer on October 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM

So we are there to exploit the oil wealth of the muslims? WTF???

lovingmyUSA on October 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

First of all, it is not theirs. They stole the fields in their forced nationalization waves of the 50′s and 60′s. We would just be retaking the fields.

Secondly, it is not to exploit anything. The oil fields are the sources of the arab/persian/muslim world’s political and financial strength, from which their threats to us flow. The only way to neutralize them is to retake the fields. This is a point of war, not exploiting oil or anything of the sort. Without the fields, the arab/persian/muslim world shrivels up and dies. With the fields, they pose serious threats to the stability of the world and the existence of the Western world. They have been 50 years to show that they can do something productive with the power of the fields, but, instead, they use them to do nothing but destabilize the world. When we want the war to end, we will take the fields and end it. until we do that, we will never be safe from them.

Thirdly, they (the arab/persian/muslim world) have discussed using “the oil weapon”. We must neutralize that weapon, and we have the responsibility to do so, as with any other weapon they use against us.

progressoverpeace on October 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM

On the “Chain of Command” issue, I have catageorically dissappointed in the collossal suck up that is SecDef Gates.

He is a disgrace!

A commanding officer has a duty to his men, if bypassing Gates is what it takes to carry out your duties as ordered, so be it. And if Obama fail to allocate the resources requested, both duty and honor require that McChrystal falls on sword, takes one for the team, and resign in the most public way possible!

Archimedes on October 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Is that because it’s longer than Vietnam?

Spathi on October 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Is that really the best you have? Really?

AsianGirlInTights on October 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM

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