Video: Michael Yon, “Firefights”

posted at 12:15 pm on October 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

In this case, the video serves as just an appetizer to the commentary Michael delivers in his post. As Washington debates over Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s cri de coeur for more resources and a deeper commitment to the fight in the Af-Pak theater, Michael underscores the necessity for focus on the war, as opposed to, say, a sports event that won’t take place for another seven years. We’re losing men on the lines, and we need to decide whether they’re sacrificing for a mission we think worth fighting:

We need more gear and more forces now. We can outfight these enemies and we can win the war, but at this rate a favorable outcome is difficult to imagine. This war shows signs that it will become more intense than Iraq at its peak. As with my twelve dispatches from 2006 warning that we were losing this war, the warnings over the past couple of years seem to be falling on incredulous ears. We will lose the war unless we get more troops and more gear soon.

This weekend we lost eight more soldiers in a firefight. I learned about it while they were still fighting, but did not report it until just before the media broke the story the next day. Still unreported, to my knowledge, sources tell me that FOB Keating was destroyed and that troops were under siege for up to 24 hours before Air Force Para-rescue got them out. (Subject to confirmation.) The fighting will only intensify. We can beat these guys, but not under current conditions.

I have not yet heard that we lost that base in the firefight. If so, that’s a blow to our operations against the Taliban. Global Security describes its position and its utility in the war:

Forward Operating Base Keating is located in the Nuristan Province of Easern Afghanistan, about 15 miles from the Pakistani border. As of March, 2008 it was a small outpost home to Bravo Troop, 1st Squadron, 91st Cavalry Regiment, 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team.

FOB Keating and the 1-91 also oversaw Combat Outpost (called COP’s) Warheit, a satellite outpost of Keating that is about a three and a half hour hike up the mountain. Small outposts like Warheit are usually home to one or two platoons of soldiers from the ANA and U.S. Military and are usually set up in very remote areas to watch for any increases in Taliban activity.

In the vicinity of FOB Keating and COP Warheit Bravo Company and the ANA were also attempting to keep the peace between the villages of Nagar, Papristan, Jimjuz, Binuz, upper and lower Kamidesh. Those villages had been fighting amongst each other long before coalition forces entered the area.

A stronger presence could have held the position, and its loss — if indeed it is lost — makes it more difficult to gather intel on Taliban operations in the area. Without a presence that can be defended against this kind of attack, the locals will have little incentive to work with Coalition forces to stop Taliban raids and will have to start cutting deals with the people who can hold the ground in that area.

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Ladies and gentlemen, pray for our troops. They need our prayers and support more than ever. It is only going to get worse and there will be no help from our CIC or congress.

milwife88 on October 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I rewatched Ken Burns’ “The Civil War” over the weekend. The parallels between the current wars and the Civil War, pre-Grant/Sherman/Sheridan, are remarkable. Back then, we decided that the war, once we were in it, and even though it was not a war we sought, was worth winning. We now face that same choice.

Regrettably, we’re proving the band Rush right, when they sang “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” From the citizens, that’s almost acceptable, given what else is on our plates right now. From the political leadership however, it is the central duty in their job description – and they’re refusing to do it, one way or the other. A better reason for pink-slipping the lot of them I could hardly imagine.

Blacksmith on October 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM

it is a sad day….

and for those who can no see the devistation… click here and maybe grow a little wiser.

upinak on October 5, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Soldiers of the West can beat the islamic barbarians, if allowed to do their jobs.

Rebar on October 5, 2009 at 12:26 PM

It was reported somewhere that FOB Keating was in the process of shutting down and the units were being transfered to other bases. I can’t verify.

This gives the Taliban a huge propaganda card to play. If they knew the base was in the process of being shut down then any sort of attack followed by the removal of the American forces, whether scheduled or not, will be used by them as an example of how they are winning and the Americans are cutting and running. The attack does not need to be successful, just like Tet wasn’t, but it is the image that counts.

This was a fierce coordinated attack however, and to do that you need intelligence. The Taliban are not lacking in that regard.

Just A Grunt on October 5, 2009 at 12:27 PM

We must not fight to win.

The Obama Doctrine.

profitsbeard on October 5, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Victory requires political will, national will and military capability.

I’ll let you decide which of those three we possess.

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Military capability. I am doubtful about national will and I am sure the political is willing us to loose.

Holger on October 5, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Hoping this will not be Vietnam Redux.
I try to be optimistic-but it’s hard, considering the vapid, apathetic, amoral,lazy American pulic attitude about this war in general (& probably everything else).
Making no stand IS taking a stand.
And since everyone is a coward & is frightened of standing up for what is right, we will continue down this road.
I pray these men do not sacrifice in vain.

Badger40 on October 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I pray these men do not sacrifice in vain.

Badger40 on October 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM

And women.

Badger40 on October 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM

When we first became involved in Afghanistan the Left insisted this was going to be another “quagmire” like Vietnam. We see now that they intend to make certain their prediction comes true.

drewas on October 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM

OT:

Beware, Ed. Obama’s coming after you.

FTC: Bloggers must disclose payments for reviews

faraway on October 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Obama does not call one whit about the troops and has no idea what he wants to accomplish in Afghanistan.

His only goal is to stumble upon whatever path will help him politically, regardless of whether that path leads to loss of military lives or ends in success or failure for the country.

justltl on October 5, 2009 at 12:37 PM

‘care’, not ‘call’

justltl on October 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Uh, McChrystal’s strategy is to abandon these far-flung posts. Unfortunately, it isn’t happening fast enough.

corona on October 5, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Here’s some video from FOB Keating in August. “Douchebaggery” makes an appearance in part4.

exception on October 5, 2009 at 12:52 PM

The US CAN WIN any war it wants to militarily. It is only politically that we choose to lose wars. And it is our representative leaders who are doing the choosing.

nolapol on October 5, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Military capability. I am doubtful about national will and I am sure the political is willing us to loose.

Holger on October 5, 2009 at 12:30 PM

We should be careful to address Afghanistan rationally and factually — there are great men’s lives at stake here.

Obama may be a leftist, an idiot, and a complete ignoramus when it comes to military affairs of every kind, but he is presumably being informed by our best, and many of the opinions we are hearing are that “we cannot kill our way to victory there” and that “there may be nothing there to win”.

Guys like Ralph Peters have been savage critics of Obama, but not everyone on the military right believes that sending more troops there is a good idea. Some believe we should get the hell out of that cess pool now. I am in no position to question the experts on Afghanistan.

Jaibones on October 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

Wow all i can say is wow

First in our church there are several members who just left for afghanistan

Second we are receiving reports of requests for supplies
for wounded warriors (like underwear), socks
tshirts military spec of course

Hygene kits
Toothbrushes

From what i heard so far apparently when the soldiers are wounded they are moved very rapidly and their gear is sometimes misplaced.

So they dont have the items they need (even basic sanitary) items

to all the democrats i say this.
Our church right now just sent the first aid packages to our troops.

If you BASTARDS DARE to Surrender or loose this war..
We the american people will come AFTER YOU..
I personally will be on your dammed mansion doorstep

So you best get off your God damned ASS obama and you pussy democrats

Or i personally will smack you accros your face.

You liberals all disgust me.

a vet..

veteranoutrage on October 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM

“we cannot kill our way to victory there” Jaibones on October 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM

This is about a decision. Obama should make it and go. More troops on the ground doesn’t equate to more killing. Controlling the situation and turning the tide is usually the goal. The General has a plan, presumably one that takes into consideration those concerns. All the politicizing wastes lives. Obama does not want to make this decision because either way it is an unpleasant one and he can’t hack it.

nolapol on October 5, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Yes, he is being advised by patriots who know what they are doing. He is also being advised by like-minded anti-American apologists who view our strengths as a threat to the world order. One guess as to which side he actually listens to.

Sea Dragon on October 5, 2009 at 1:29 PM

You cannot kill your way to victory, but hardcore insurgents will not kill themselves. COIN strategy is about convincing those who can be convinced to put down their arms, and killing those who cannot be convinced.

BohicaTwentyTwo on October 5, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I am not interested in Victory

Barack Obama

pseudonominus on October 5, 2009 at 1:46 PM

His only goal is to stumble upon whatever path will help him politically, regardless of whether that path leads to loss of military lives or ends in success or failure for the country.

justltl on October 5, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Bingo.
Just another day at the office for him.

Badger40 on October 5, 2009 at 2:14 PM

His only goal is to stumble upon whatever path will help him politically, regardless of whether that path leads to loss of military lives or ends in success or failure for the country.

justltl on October 5, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Yeah. Pretty much.

tuffy on October 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM

On October 25 Platoon Sgt. Mitchell Paige and 33 marine riflemen emplaced 4 water-cooled 30-caliber Brownings on a ridge to defend Henderson Field. By the time the night was over the Japanese 29th Infantry Regiment had lost 553 killed or missing and 479 wounded among its 2,554 men. The Japanese 16th Regiment’s losses were not accounted for but the 164th’s burial parties handled 975 Japanese bodies. Total American estimates for Japanese casualties on that ridge were 2,200. All the men in Mitchell Paige’s platoon were either killed or wounded during the night of fierce fighting. Mitchell Paige moved up and down the line placing dead and wounded troops back into foxholes and firing short bursts from each of the four Brownings to deceive the Japanese that a force still held the ridge.

Today this would be reported as “AMERICAN PLATOON LOST TO ENEMY AMBUSH“.

How many Taliban were exterminated over the weekend? It doesn’t seem to matter to anybody. How often do you think the Taliban can jump at the chance to lose 10:1, even if they wanted to?

Chris_Balsz on October 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM

This is about a decision. Obama should make it and go. More troops on the ground doesn’t equate to more killing. Controlling the situation and turning the tide is usually the goal. The General has a plan, presumably one that takes into consideration those concerns.

nolapol on October 5, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I have a sort of linear understanding of anti-terrorism military campaigns — that we are there to kill every last POS Islamist that dares to shoulder a weapon. It’s not a well-informed view, I admit.

McChrystal has been ripped by some for the perception that his PC ROE are going to get thousands of our guys killed by these sub-human scum, so it is quite refreshing to me to see him rip Obama for dithering.

But like I said — it’s sobering to read Ralph Peters saying “let’s get out“.

Jaibones on October 5, 2009 at 3:20 PM

It is really poop or get off the pot time

LincolntheHun on October 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Still unreported, to my knowledge, sources tell me that FOB Keating was destroyed and that troops were under siege for up to 24 hours

This tell me that they were not allowed to have any real air support. Change the ROE, so that our military can protect themselves. Scorched earth.

Johan Klaus on October 5, 2009 at 5:30 PM

You cannot kill your way to victory,

BohicaTwentyTwo on October 5, 2009 at 1:39 PM

That is exactly how we won WW2.

Johan Klaus on October 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM

When we first became involved in Afghanistan the Left insisted this was going to be another “quagmire” like Vietnam. We see now that they intend to make certain their prediction comes true.
drewas on October 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Pygmalion, a self-fulfilling prophecy

DSchoen on October 5, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, pray for our troops. They need our prayers and support more than ever. It is only going to get worse and there will be no help from our CIC or congress.

milwife88 on October 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Yes. Now more than ever.

I am puzzled by something concerning this battle. Where were our AC-130U Gunships? The sensors and firepower on board could have been useful. I doubt these tribal thugs would have surface to air missiles and even if they did the gunships would have prevailed…

Zorro on October 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

…we’re proving the band Rush right, when they sang, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

Blacksmith on October 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I am making a bumper sticker out of that one!
http://www.makestickers.com/home.asp

lovingmyUSA on October 5, 2009 at 7:07 PM

First of all you can “Kill your way to victory” It is called “Violence of action” and it saves more lives than it takes. Second of all, I would like to see the left take the same stance against Barack that they did against Bush. If our men don’t even have the basics, then they can’t effectively fight. It’s called Morale. The left blasted Bush because he didn’t send every troop a ballistic vest. There was a huge controversy over the Striker vehicle (Which happened to be in the testing phase)
If the president doesn’t man up, and fight this to win, we will be burying more of our brave, and Afghanistan will lose more civilians. If we use the concept of “Violence of action,” and kill more Taliban in a short period of time with robust displays of power we will win. It seems to me that the Democrats have no problem using our troops, but don’t want to take care of them. In the 90s under Clinton we Marines were issued hand me downs from the Army. We bought everything we needed for the job, and all we had on our backs were torn flack jackets and ratty gear. Under Reagan and Bush the troops were priority one. Under Obama it seems, he wants them to do the job, but isn’t acting like a “Commander in chief.”

webdemon on October 5, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Mr.Morrissey is spot on here. This is the reality illiberals choose to actively not think about. Have you no shame, Obama? You spend four months choosing a dog yet you choose to meet with your general only when it serves your purpose to berate the man for serving his country as you are not,Obama? Shame on you! These soldiers are fighting a tough enemy and YOU brag about swatting a fly? Pitiful in the extreme, Obama!

Sherman1864 on October 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM

First of all you can “Kill your way to victory” It is called “Violence of action” and it saves more lives than it takes. Second of all, I would like to see the left take the same stance against Barack that they did against Bush. If our men don’t even have the basics, then they can’t effectively fight. It’s called Morale. The left blasted Bush because he didn’t send every troop a ballistic vest. There was a huge controversy over the Striker vehicle (Which happened to be in the testing phase)
If the president doesn’t man up, and fight this to win, we will be burying more of our brave, and Afghanistan will lose more civilians. If we use the concept of “Violence of action,” and kill more Taliban in a short period of time with robust displays of power we will win. It seems to me that the Democrats have no problem using our troops, but don’t want to take care of them. In the 90s under Clinton we Marines were issued hand me downs from the Army. We bought everything we needed for the job, and all we had on our backs were torn flack jackets and ratty gear. Under Reagan and Bush the troops were priority one. Under Obama it seems, he wants them to do the job, but isn’t acting like a “Commander in chief.”

webdemon on October 5, 2009 at 7:16 PM

In fairness to General McChrystal, we do not know what political parameters were imposed on him when he was ordered to take command.

But we can guess, can’t we?

Chris_Balsz on October 5, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Please, everyone, if you know of Army, Marine, Navy, Air Force personnel deployed to Afghanistan, send them a package today. Dried fruit packets, wet wipes, books, whatever is appropriate. USPS has a 12x12x5-1/2 box for the military which costs only $11.95 no matter how heavy your items. Do it today. If you do not know of anyone, please go online to the various organizations happy to send items on your behalf. The troops so appreciate it. Thanks.

Mae on October 6, 2009 at 4:54 AM