Telegraph: Obama furious over McChrystal speech in London

posted at 11:36 am on October 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Do you think that a President might get a little miffed when his battlefield commander goes public in demanding a decision from his Commander in Chief?  Would a President get his feathers ruffled when that commander also publicly pronounced other options unacceptable and compared them to letting half a building burn to the ground?  Just possibly, according to the London Telegraph:

According to sources close to the administration, Gen McChrystal shocked and angered presidential advisers with the bluntness of a speech given in London last week.

The next day he was summoned to an awkward 25-minute face-to-face meeting on board Air Force One on the tarmac in Copenhagen, where the president had arrived to tout Chicago’s unsuccessful Olympic bid. …

An adviser to the administration said: “People aren’t sure whether McChrystal is being naïve or an upstart. To my mind he doesn’t seem ready for this Washington hard-ball and is just speaking his mind too plainly.”

Well, at least McChrystal finally got a face-to-face meeting with the President after that speech.  After McChrystal’s appearance on 60 Minutes, it seemed as though it would have taken an act of Congress to get McChrystal some face time with Barack Obama.

As for naïveté, the real question is about Obama’s comprehension of the war and international relations, especially after the embarrassing performance in Copenhagen.  McChrystal may not know the ways of Washington, but that’s not his battleground.  It seems as though Obama knows Afghanistan less than McChrystal knows the Beltway, and that should be much more of a concern for the White House and its advisers than whether McChrystal is playing by Marquess de Queensbury rules while speaking publicly.

Jules Crittenden says that Obama should have learned a lesson about stalling generals while they await the CinC’s direction:

Theoretically Obama must be PO’d at Petraeus, too, because he essentially, if more diplomatically, said the same thing a couple of weeks earlier.

The big question now is whether this is going to be about Obama’s ego, or about winning in Afghanistan. If any general is ill-advised to shoot his mouth off, this business may also teach the administration something about blowing off generals at (unnecessarily extended) criticial moments and insisting that political parameters trump military ones in wartime.

McChrystal didn’t act insubordinately by speaking his mind.  This is not even close to the situation which forced Harry Truman to cashier Douglas MacArthur in the Korean War, when MacArthur dared to publicly challenge Truman’s authority and judgment.  McChrystal may have acted in an impolitic manner, but at this point, I doubt McChrystal cares much for political niceties.  He has waited weeks for an answer to his analysis and request for more troops and resources, and he’s apparently not worried about being honest about his assessment in public.

Up to now, Barack Obama has made good moves in supporting the war in Afghanistan and adopting intelligent positions on resourcing and strategy.  But as I wrote earlier, he’s reached a point where he has to decide whether he’s willing to go in for the long haul and actually win this fight over a period of years, or whether he will cave to his Left and refuse to make that kind of commitment.  Hopefully, Obama will stick to his commitment made during the campaign to fight the war to a successful conclusion and break the backs of radical Islamists in the Af-Pak theater, but he’s going to have to actually make a decision instead of voting ‘present.’  If a speech by McChrystal that states nothing but the obvious gets this far under his skin, I suspect that decision will be a retreat.

Update: Jazz Shaw argues that McChrystal ought to be cashiered for insubordination, but there’s one fundamental problem with his argument.  Nothing McChrystal said contradicts what the White House has said all along on either tactics or strategy.  In fact, the only reason McChrystal’s speech is controversial at all is because the White House appears to be wavering now on Afghanistan, which isn’t McChrystal’s doing.  Nothing in McChrystal’s speech differs from the “one voice” argument in the present status; it’s that it might differ if Obama changes direction.

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Honor.

the_nile on October 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM

no one, and I mean no one messes with the Messiah’s EGO!!!

SDarchitect on October 5, 2009 at 11:38 AM

And the result of a retreat is that this war will be lost.

WWS on October 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM

the only way McChrystal keeps his job now is to announce he is a TAX CHEAT!

Mmmmmmmmm Mmmmmmm Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

SDarchitect on October 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Disgrace in Chief.

WisCon on October 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM

B.O. can take the time to meet with the moron moonbat leader of SEUI every single week, but he can’t seem to fit in any time to see Gen McChrystal, his battlefield commander?

I would say the current guy occupying the White House needs to get his priorities squared away, real quick.

If anything, at least now Gen McChrystal has B.O.’s undivided attention.

pilamaye on October 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I’ve watched M*A*S*H… I’ve learned that insubordination is the highest form of patriotism.

mankai on October 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Honor.

the_nile on October 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Duty.

VegasRick on October 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM

What does McChrystal know about war anyway? He’s only a General. It’s not like he got a Law Degree from Harvard or anything. /sarc

kingsjester on October 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Overheard on the USS Obama …….

“Damn those torpedos, full speed reverse.”

fogw on October 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Thin skin.

loudmouth883 on October 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Present.

obladioblada on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

1. From past couple of years, I thought the “revolt of the generals”, speaking their minds, was a good thing.

2. If he fires McChrystal or allows him to resign he’ll lose Petraeus.

aquaviva on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

B.O. can take the time to meet with the moron moonbat leader of SEUI every single week, but he can’t seem to fit in any time to see Gen McChrystal, his battlefield commander?

I would say the current guy occupying the White House needs to get his priorities squared away, real quick.

If anything, at least now Gen McChrystal has B.O.’s undivided attention.

pilamaye on October 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Yep. And the rest of us are watching to see his reaction.

VegasRick on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Maybe O has a plan to enter Pok-ee-ston and wander around for 40 years. Then he’ll lead his people to the promised land.

Or something.

BobMbx on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

1. THE ONE and HIS WIFE regularly remind us how concerned they are with military families.

2. Makes sense: since they are state side their votes actually count.

3. We know that our soldiers overseas don’t get their ballots counted (see Virginia, NY etc).

4. Point 1 now makes sense.

Stephanie on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

no one puts Barry in a corner.

negentropy on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Protein Wisdom has it right. McChrystal deprived Obama of a scapegoat. So it’s only “Blame Bush,” which is past its sell-by date.

Wethal on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Is Obama’s strategery to just sit by and let the casualties mount so that the majority of Americans turn against the war and demand a withdrawal?

Doughboy on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Will Obama punch the air with his little fist?

notagool on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Obama is the new Munson.

PaulMorphy on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

An adviser to the administration said: “People aren’t sure whether McChrystal is being naïve or an upstart. To my mind he doesn’t seem ready for this Washington hard-ball and is just speaking his mind too plainly.”

I think the general knew full well what he was doing.

tgharris on October 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I know these too generals worked very hard to get to where they are but if they truely believe that they need more troops and Obama’s not going to give them to him they should resign!

mcl2177 on October 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Gen McChrystal shocked and angered presidential advisers with the bluntness of a speech given in London last week.

The administration was shocked at angered that their empty campaign rhetoric was being exposed as empty campaign rhetoric.

(I copped this from someone–h/t them)

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM

The big question now is whether this is going to be about Obama’s ego, or about winning in Afghanistan.

Obama’s Ego is always what it’s all about….

pseudonominus on October 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM

On the other hand, it appears the British foreign minister is mad at President Obama for not backing his generals.

Back your general and send more troops, David Miliband urges Barack Obama

JeffinSac on October 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Yep. And the rest of us are watching to see his reaction.

VegasRick on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Truman fired MacArthur for the same thing. Then we lost the Korean war…no..wait….we’re still there…..

BobMbx on October 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

McChrystal knows that every day, American lives actually depend on what he does and the actions he takes, while Obama likes to pretend that thousands will die if we don’t immediately fix our ‘broken’ health care system. I know who I would rather follow.

LASue on October 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Honor.

the_nile on October 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Duty.

VegasRick on October 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Country…

“Duty,Honor,Country -— those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying points to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn.”
- General Douglas MacArthur at West Point on 12 May 1962

publiuspen on October 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

People aren’t sure whether McChrystal is being naïve or an upstart.

Oh? And they get this by talking to who? THIS people is sure! McChrystal told them the truth and had the audacity to say it out loud. He is making it hard for them to hide their ignorance, and that is what upsets them.

MikeA on October 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

“People aren’t sure whether McChrystal is being naïve or an upstart. To my mind he doesn’t seem ready for this Washington hard-ball and is just speaking his mind too plainly.”

The administration being run by a naive upstart is being upstarted by an accomplished, combat proven general?

Say it ain’t so, Joe.?

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

I would want to be on record too, if I saw a Commander-in-Chief deliberately putting my troops in harm’s way!

I’m bettin’ we see a resignation coming from McChrystal before the week is gone.

joedoe on October 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I can’t see how McChyrstal was insubordinate with his comments since he didn’t oppose any orders or policies now in effect.

But I do find it a bit, for want of a better word, troubling when military officers are trying to influence policy with public statements more than carry out policies. Whether McChrystal was trying to do that – I think he was – can be debated.

It’s clear where McChyrstal wants to go. Fine. Make those recommendations in private to the commander in chief. Publicly, be as neutral as possible.

Yes, he’s in a tough position due to the dithering of this White House and he has to answer the questions as to whether an alternative to a surge could work. I guess the appropriate answer is to duck the question.

The more important point is that the White House is upset because they’re not going to follow his recommendations. If they were, why be angry.

SteveMG on October 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I trust that McCrystal fully understands that he isn’t the right person for the job if Obama decides to go with Biden’s ideas. Why would he care if Obama is upset? He obviously has made up his own mind about how to handle the situation.

Either it’s a fit or it’s not.

AnninCA on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

“There is no substitute for victory”. Gen. MacArthur

RobCon on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

1. THE ONE and HIS WIFE regularly remind us how concerned they are with military families.

Stephanie on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

They are liars.

fogw on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Honor.

the_nile on October 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Duty.

VegasRick on October 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Country.

unclesmrgol on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Afghanistan is just a distration from the real war against the American middle class.

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I’ve been keeping a fervent hope that Gens. McChrystal, Petraeus, and a few thousand other top military officers are members of this organization. These guys are our last line of defense from these fascist lefties in political control right now.

Fishoutofwater on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I’m sure Stan McChrystal would love to meet his naive upstart boss for a training jump on Nijmegen drop zone at Ft Bragg….maybe a nighttime, full combat equipment jump, followed by a full up briefing after the 12mile ruck march in 3hours.

Workouts.

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Obama is busy saving jobs:

nut jobs

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I’ve had anecdotal evidence for months that the military not only does not like but despises Obama. Things will get worse.

elduende on October 5, 2009 at 8:06 AM

elduende on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Country…

“Duty,Honor,Country -— those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying points to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn.”
- General Douglas MacArthur at West Point on 12 May 1962

publiuspen on October 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Well done!

VegasRick on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Time to hit the road. Kind of ironic he’s gotta grow a pair to pull out. See what I did there?

The Calibur on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

McCrystal’s a well-known hot-head who is action oriented and gets results. BO hasn’t met with him, talked to him, given him anything he has asked for- like orders or support- so now BO is peevish when McCrystal speaks his mind? Get off you damn ass and get to work, Mr. President. Or is this above your pay grade also?

MarkT on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I know these too generals worked very hard to get to where they are but if they truely believe that they need more troops and Obama’s not going to give them to him they should resign!

I suspect the Good General is considering that. The lives of thousands of military people are in his hands and he’s being shot down everytime he asks for something.
Something’s gotta give and I suspect it’ll be this man’s patience.

mjk on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Obama is in way over his head on being President as opposed to acting like one.

The man has to stop acting like assuming the title of CIC is way above his paygrade. Do your damn job!

Guardian on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

no one puts Barry in a corner.

negentropy on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Hahahahaahaha.

LibTired on October 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM

If a speech by McChrystal that states nothing but the obvious gets this far under his skin, I suspect that decision will be a retreat.

I’m afraid you may be right, Ed. God help our soldiers.

CP on October 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM

When Gen McChrystal and Obama had their 25 minute meeting on Air Force One, the only one with any honor was the one in uniform.

I would bet that McChrystal will eventually step down, if his assessment and requests are ignored or not granted.

Star20 on October 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM

But I do find it a bit, for want of a better word, troubling when military officers are trying to influence policy with public statements more than carry out policies. Whether McChrystal was trying to do that – I think he was – can be debated.

Why? I don’t get it. Obama has completely confused the public on this situation. I at least now know what the military leaders in the area think. That’s a breath of fresh air.

Why shouldn’t people know exactly what the military leaders think?

I have no illusion that all generals are brilliant and right. But I also can’t see what the problem is here. Obama isn’t a dictator.

AnninCA on October 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Or is this above your pay grade also?

MarkT on October 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Yes.

mjk on October 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Maybe we should be asking Ritchie Daley to intercede for us and get BO to work on Af’stan.

Or maybe just ask Daley direct and bypass the middleman.

MarkT on October 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

0bama clearly wants to lose this war, and is setting up the military (from McChrystal to the privates) to take the blame.

Not only will the “distraction” of the war be gone, it’ll be the perfect setup to gut defense spending for even more buying off of unions and other core leftist constituencies.

Rebar on October 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

McChrystal may not know the ways of Washington, but that’s not his battleground.

Sorry, but this assessment floating around that McChrystal doesn’t know politics is also naive. McChrystal is a senior military officer and now the senior Commander in Afghanistan. Once you reach the senior officer ranks, you’re doing A LOT of politicking. It may not be Washingtonian politics, but it’s politics nonetheless.

McChrystal knows exactly what he’s doing: he’s fighting for the troops and he wants to win the battle.

The Obama Administration is in a quagmire. If they bail on Afghanistan, they’ll be exposed for lying and the appeasers that they are. If he acquiesces to McChrystal, his Left/radical base revolts. IF he relieves McChrystal from his command, McChrystal is free to talk and can make matters worse for Obama.

The Obama Quagmire.

conservative pilgrim on October 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

The part where an advisor questioned if McChrystal was Naive gave me a hell of a laugh. The Pres might be one of the most childish and naive leaders of all time, who not to mention has only been a true POL for less then a decade, yet they’re saying that about someone who, as a army leader, had to deal with so much political BS. Top notch Comedy there Barry.

Rbastid on October 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Obama is busy saving jobs:

nut jobs
whack jobs
and letterman #&%$ jobs

…dang keyboard.

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Hey Ed, have you read Andy McCarthy’s latest? I’d like to know your reaction.

This Mission Is Not McChrystal Clear
Our troops are not in Afghanistan for a social experiment.

flyfisher on October 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

no one, and I mean no one messes with the Messiah’s EGO!!!

SDarchitect on October 5, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Except maybe the IOC?

glennbo on October 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Obama is busy saving jobs:

nut jobs
whack jobs
and letterman #&%$ jobs

…dang keyboard.

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I’ve had anecdotal evidence for months that the military not only does not like but despises Obama. Things will get worse.

elduende on October 5, 2009 at 8:06 AM

True, from grunts to commanders.

fogw on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Obama is busy saving jobs:

nut jobs
whack jobs
and letterman #&%$ jobs

…dang keyboard.

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Hey Ed, have you read Andy McCarthy’s latest? I’d like to know your reaction.

This Mission Is Not McChrystal Clear
Our troops are not in Afghanistan for a social experiment.

flyfisher on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Obama is busy saving jobs:

nut jobs
whack jobs
and letterman #&%$ jobs

…dang keyboard.

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Obama is busy saving jobs:

nut jobs
whack jobs
and letterman #&%$ jobs

…dang keyboard.

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Obama is busy saving jobs:

nut jobs
whack jobs
and letterman #&%$ jobs

…dang keyboard.

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

no one, and I mean no one messes with the Messiah’s EGO!!!

SDarchitect on October 5, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Except maybe the IOC?

glennbo on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

GEN McChrystal follows this creed:

Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit-de-corps of my Ranger Regiment.

Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.

Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong, and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task, whatever it may be, one hundred percent and then some.

Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress, and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.

Energetically
will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.

Readily
will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.

Let’s see how the naive upstart in the WH can compare to a man who has spent 30 years living by this creed…..

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Hey Ed, have you read Andy McCarthy’s latest? I’d like to know your reaction.

This Mission Is Not McChrystal Clear
Our troops are not in Afghanistan for a social experiment.

flyfisher on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

I trust that McCrystal [sic] fully understands that he isn’t the right person for the job if Obama decides to go with Biden’s ideas. Why would he care if Obama is upset? He obviously has made up his own mind about how to handle the situation.

Either it’s a fit or it’s not.

AnninCA on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

It isn’t a fit, and McChrystal has won.

If Barry dismisses him, it will be an interesting political season. Not that it won’t be, with conservatives accusing Barry as fiddling while Rome burns, but the accusation will have an enhanced aura of truth should McChrystal retire and take his show on the road.

Barry’s going to cave. Count on it.

unclesmrgol on October 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM

GEN McChrystal follows this creed:

Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit-de-corps of my Ranger Regiment.

Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.

Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong, and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task, whatever it may be, one hundred percent and then some.

Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress, and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.

Energetically
will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.

Readily
will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.

Let’s see how the naive upstart in the WH can compare to a man who has spent 30 years living by this creed…..

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

A whole, entire 25 freakin’ minutes? You have got to be kidding. How much time did “the one” spend in hobnobbing in Copenhagen? He’s had the plans on his desk since the end of August – our guys are dying and he keeps on campaigning. BO is a disgrace to this country.

Alibali on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Obama isn’t a dictator.

AnninCA on October 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Yet.

VegasRick on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Doughboy on October 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Too late.

The Calibur on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

The part where an advisor questioned if McChrystal was Naive gave me a hell of a laugh.

No kidding. That’s the one thing I think of Army Rangers (right?) who are trained so well with an ability to kill people and kick a** and take names. They are, like, so naive.

mjk on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

pardon double post, something just went haywire.

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Sorry for multiple posts…computer problems!

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Sorry for duplicate post. No idea how that happened.

flyfisher on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Dang keyboard.

LibTired on October 5, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Obama: I worked to hard to get where I am. Call me Commander in Chief!
General: Yes, Ma’am.

Christian Conservative on October 5, 2009 at 11:54 AM

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Superweird. First, mine posted before I was done typing, then the multiple posts???? Must be HA.

Laura in Maryland on October 5, 2009 at 11:54 AM

uh huh! I thought I fat fingered the submit button

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Dump him and pull the troops out of the Middle East. It’s the only chance at peace over there.

The Dean on October 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

McChrystal knows that every day, American lives actually depend on what he does and the actions he takes, while Obama likes to pretend that thousands will die if we don’t immediately fix our ‘broken’ health care system. for HIM as he is THE WON. I know who I would rather follow.

LASue on October 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

FIFY

nolapol on October 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Keep watching out for your soldiers, Gen McCrystal.

Obviously Barry has no capacity for same as all he can see these daze is the brickwall of the Peter Principle he’s walked right into.

Shivas Irons on October 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Obama sees McChrystal as part of the vast right-wing conspiracy that Clinton recently confirmed still exists.

BuckeyeSam on October 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

McChrystal retire and take his show on the road.

Barry’s going to cave. Count on it.

He seems young to retire. I guess I assumed he’d just go do something else.

I think the new crop of military guys aren’t like the old ones, who got skewered for taking every assignment and NOT speaking up.

Better to be hired and fired for that assignment for the right reasons is what I’m suggesting.

He wouldn’t have any real cause to continue to argue the point if he’s relieved of this assignment. No payoff for him.

AnninCA on October 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Yep, must be Hot Air.

flyfisher on October 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

The general knows full well what he is doing. Its Obama who is clueless. This general will retire if reguired.

Its called honor. The lord obama the great PBUH would have to look that concept up in a dictionary.

sonofdy on October 5, 2009 at 11:56 AM

GEN McChrystal will keep doing the right thing by those in his command as he has always done.

In most positions of leadership, there are actually responsibilities. In others, there are only perks.

I’ll leave it for you to decide which jobs those are.

ted c on October 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Just a few months ago this was the “good war” and Obama put McChrystal on the ground. McChrystal evaluated the situation and gave Obama fair warning that things are going very bad in Afghanistan. Obama now wants to waffle while he gets pounded by the far left and our young troops die.

How can McChrystal continue to follow orders from a “leader” that can’t lead?

joedoe on October 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM

This stuff is cutting into Obama’s dating time.

The General needs to shut up and let his soldiers die quietly.

The Obama Doctrine.

profitsbeard on October 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Dump him and pull the troops out of the Middle East. It’s the only chance at peace over there.

The Dean on October 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

You seem out of practise. Where’s the part about getting rid of the Jewish state and how Hitler did bad things, probably?

mjk on October 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Maybe McChrystal is smarter than his boss…duh, of course he is.

Obama…where narcisism meets The Peter Principle.

Wyznowski on October 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Decisions? I don’t need to make no steenkin’ decisions!

Since Obama’s never made ANY hard decisions in his life, how he’s going to handle a plate full of them is going to be interesting to watch. The Empty Suit wanted the job, remember. Now that he got it, he’s actually going to have a record of decisions made/not made on his lifetime resume. As an earlier poster stated, “Present” is not an option for this egomaniac. Something tells me Obama’s getting ready to cut and run, and his minions are speedily developing the necessary spin.

bradley11 on October 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM

The 25 Minutes was just for a tongue lashing, not for any real discussion of the situation.

nolapol on October 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Oh, and Dean, FYI =- Afghanistan isn’t usually considered in the Middle East. I believe it’s considered part of Asia.

mjk on October 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Hey, give Obama a break. He’s had a full plate ramming health care nobody wants down out throat, then there was vacation time, then more ramming, then run to Copenhagen to pay off his Chicago thug buddies, now it’s anniversary date.

All that crummy soldier in Afghanistan has invested is his life. Damn peons want everything.

Jeff from WI on October 5, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Why shouldn’t people know exactly what the military leaders think?

Nope. Their job is to carry out the orders even if they oppose them. If they can’t carry out the orders, they can resign. We simply can’t have military leaders undermining the president’s command by attacking/criticizing his orders.

Yes, they can give recommendations as to how a mission can be done. Number of troops, et cetra. We see that with Congressional testimony et cetera.

But as to what the policy should be, I think they need to be silent.

Obviously, one can argue that McChyrstal was just giving his recommendations on how the overall policy can be carried out. But it’s clear to me that he was doing more than just that.

We have one commander in chief, even if he is a bad one.

SteveMG on October 5, 2009 at 11:59 AM

We now literaly ahve a commander in chief ignoring what the people on the ground are telling him.

I support the 40,000 troop increase. And I am probably one of the 40,000 who will be called.

sonofdy on October 5, 2009 at 11:59 AM

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