Telegraph: Obama furious over McChrystal speech in London

posted at 11:36 am on October 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Do you think that a President might get a little miffed when his battlefield commander goes public in demanding a decision from his Commander in Chief?  Would a President get his feathers ruffled when that commander also publicly pronounced other options unacceptable and compared them to letting half a building burn to the ground?  Just possibly, according to the London Telegraph:

According to sources close to the administration, Gen McChrystal shocked and angered presidential advisers with the bluntness of a speech given in London last week.

The next day he was summoned to an awkward 25-minute face-to-face meeting on board Air Force One on the tarmac in Copenhagen, where the president had arrived to tout Chicago’s unsuccessful Olympic bid. …

An adviser to the administration said: “People aren’t sure whether McChrystal is being naïve or an upstart. To my mind he doesn’t seem ready for this Washington hard-ball and is just speaking his mind too plainly.”

Well, at least McChrystal finally got a face-to-face meeting with the President after that speech.  After McChrystal’s appearance on 60 Minutes, it seemed as though it would have taken an act of Congress to get McChrystal some face time with Barack Obama.

As for naïveté, the real question is about Obama’s comprehension of the war and international relations, especially after the embarrassing performance in Copenhagen.  McChrystal may not know the ways of Washington, but that’s not his battleground.  It seems as though Obama knows Afghanistan less than McChrystal knows the Beltway, and that should be much more of a concern for the White House and its advisers than whether McChrystal is playing by Marquess de Queensbury rules while speaking publicly.

Jules Crittenden says that Obama should have learned a lesson about stalling generals while they await the CinC’s direction:

Theoretically Obama must be PO’d at Petraeus, too, because he essentially, if more diplomatically, said the same thing a couple of weeks earlier.

The big question now is whether this is going to be about Obama’s ego, or about winning in Afghanistan. If any general is ill-advised to shoot his mouth off, this business may also teach the administration something about blowing off generals at (unnecessarily extended) criticial moments and insisting that political parameters trump military ones in wartime.

McChrystal didn’t act insubordinately by speaking his mind.  This is not even close to the situation which forced Harry Truman to cashier Douglas MacArthur in the Korean War, when MacArthur dared to publicly challenge Truman’s authority and judgment.  McChrystal may have acted in an impolitic manner, but at this point, I doubt McChrystal cares much for political niceties.  He has waited weeks for an answer to his analysis and request for more troops and resources, and he’s apparently not worried about being honest about his assessment in public.

Up to now, Barack Obama has made good moves in supporting the war in Afghanistan and adopting intelligent positions on resourcing and strategy.  But as I wrote earlier, he’s reached a point where he has to decide whether he’s willing to go in for the long haul and actually win this fight over a period of years, or whether he will cave to his Left and refuse to make that kind of commitment.  Hopefully, Obama will stick to his commitment made during the campaign to fight the war to a successful conclusion and break the backs of radical Islamists in the Af-Pak theater, but he’s going to have to actually make a decision instead of voting ‘present.’  If a speech by McChrystal that states nothing but the obvious gets this far under his skin, I suspect that decision will be a retreat.

Update: Jazz Shaw argues that McChrystal ought to be cashiered for insubordination, but there’s one fundamental problem with his argument.  Nothing McChrystal said contradicts what the White House has said all along on either tactics or strategy.  In fact, the only reason McChrystal’s speech is controversial at all is because the White House appears to be wavering now on Afghanistan, which isn’t McChrystal’s doing.  Nothing in McChrystal’s speech differs from the “one voice” argument in the present status; it’s that it might differ if Obama changes direction.


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Without reading any comments, we all know this brouhaha over McCrystall is bullsheet, do we not?

Earlg on October 5, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Bullsheet…The President flies to Copenhagen to make a presentation to the IOC. He spends a day glad-handing Royalty and elected heads of state as well as IOC members. Then, he spends just twenty-five minutes with the Commander of Allied Forces Afghanistan. The Commander who is engaged in a deadly struggle with terrorists. Did we not lose eight troops last weekend? And you call bullsheet? Leadership by photo-op/sound bite does not do justice to our brave men and women in combat. Maybe it is the bullsheet to which you were referring…

Nozzle on October 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Unfortunately for Dear Leader, McCrystal could care less for Washington politics, what he does care for is the lives of those that serve under him. Obama should be no different, yet he is indifferent. It would not surprise me if both Patreaus, and McCrystal turn in their stars. Why should they want to finish their careers serving a hack who has no regard for the troops on the ground.

If the Generals where to step down, how would America judge them? I think that most would see them as the Hero’s they are, Obama on the other hand…

M-14 2go on October 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Laughing !

CEA_Agent on October 5, 2009 at 8:51 PM

McCrystal wanted to get the Pied Piper’s mind off of the Olympics and on to more important things. We will see if it worked.

Or maybe the General just wanted to see if the boy wonder at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. has any balls.

Really Right on October 5, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Obama is getting his soldiers killed. Getting OUR sons and daughters killed.

You want treason? The 2007 NIE report was treason.

General McChrystal is just trying to save his soldiers lives.

scotash on October 5, 2009 at 9:08 PM

WTF does Obama expect. When a CIC is utterly incompetent, a theatre commander has to get his attention. Period.

BottomLine5 on October 5, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Said Obama after the highly anticipated, 40-minute chat on the Rose Garden patio: “I have always believed that what brings us together is stronger than what pulls us apart.”

BHO quote after the Beer Summit. They got 15 more minutes with Obama than the General did.

tatersalad on October 5, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Strangely, not furious at Iran for killing our troops in Agstan and Iraq.

ronsfi on October 5, 2009 at 9:45 PM

I’ll follow McCrystal and Petreaus into Hell…. Obama can go to…. oh… never mind.

MNDavenotPC on October 5, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Really Right

…really, really wrong.

Earlg on October 5, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Honor.

the_nile on October 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Duty.

VegasRick on October 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Oath

JellyToast on October 5, 2009 at 6:18 PM

One of the unofficial mottos of Poland is Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna which means God, Honor, Fatherland. Interesting that Ozero screwed Poland but when you consider that those three concepts are antithetical to him, it makes sense.

bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Don’t ya just know McCrystall thinks Obama Bin Lyin is a pussy and wants to slap him arounf like the candy ass little bitch he is.

Alden Pyle on October 5, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Maybe not, but if Ozero ever visits the Afghan theater I can hear the following from McChrystal ” Mr President, we would like to give you the honor of walking point”

The community organizer in chief wouldn’t have the faintest clue. ….

bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Don’t ya just know McCrystall thinks Obama Bin Lyin is a pu&&y and wants to slap him arounf like the candy a$$ little b8tch he is.

Alden Pyle on October 5, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Maybe not that, but I can hear the following from McCrystal if Ozero visits the Afghan Theater. “Mr President, I would very much like to give you the honor of walking point. This is a great honor for you sir”

Mr. Community organizer in chief would not have a clue…

BTW – the stop filter is a bit annoying. I quoted someone else’s post and apparently the stop filter blocked the post. It must be on some type of sliding scale by author. It would be nice if we had a chance to correct posts instead of them being dumped into the electronic abyss

bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 10:08 PM

lovingmyUSA on October 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Thankyou!
He’s AFROTC, took the enlisted oath. I did not see it, hopefully in 4 years Palin will sign his Commission, and he will be accepted into the pilots or drone program.
We shall see a lot can happen in 4 years and he has a lot of work to do between now and then!

dhunter on October 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM

2Brave2Bscared,

That’s strange. Because that logic was used in Iraq, and was a part of the success of the “surge”.

exhelodrvr on October 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

General McChrystal is a good man, a great American soldier and what we want to see leading our military in combat.

Obama is a nobody compared to him.

Phil Byler on October 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Liberals were all about people speaking “truth to power” during the Bush administration.

liberals could not get enough of General Sanchez trying to cover his butt by blaming Bush.

No whining about chain of command then.

liberals could not get enough of the man that put the NSA wiretapping program on the front page of the NY Times.

To liberals,he was a hero for outing Bush’s illegal activities.

Until it was exposed that they were not illegal and democrats including Obama supported the program and still do.

That was when “dissent was patriotic”.

Now anything that makes Obama look bad is racist and treasonous.

Could liberals be anymore full of sh!t.

Baxter Greene on October 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

What! And nobody wants to charge Hussein with insubordination for not addressing more important issues than trying to sell Chitcago to the IOC?

What a joke!

Where are the Jobs?

BigMike252 on October 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

dhunter on October 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Congratulations on having such a great son. College is hard, much harder when you have to be up by oh-dark-thirty to get some P.T. on! Hope he stays safe.

Side-note, the President’s signature does not show up on the commissioning certificate. It is an appointment “by the President” however, it is signed by the secretary of the respective service and the service chief.

Rightwingguy on October 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

One of OBAMA’S ADVISORS called McChrystal naive or an upstart???!!! Wow…well what do you expect from an administration that gives out toys as diplomatic gifts? And what better way to try to discredit a man who has risen through officer’s ranks in the Army to a position of theatre commander by calling him naive or an upstart? Any military officer in any one of the services understands fully the politics involved here! (So do their spouses, by the way…) I would call McChrystal honorable, responsible, loyal to those who serve under him, loyal to his nation and his oath but NAIVE and UPSTART???!!! Oh HECK no! Methinks when the administration points that finger in McChrystal’s direction and call him names they ought to look at the other fingers pointing back at them. The administration presumes too much. To anyone from the Obama administration who might cruise conservative blogs looking for dirt: go ahead and call this man and others like him these names. Many many many of us out here in the country at large know better.

Driefromseattle on October 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Rightwingguy on October 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Thanks Rightwing I was hopin Sarah would sign the commission, oh well, it will be an honor for him if he makes it and I’m proud he’s gotten this far sounds like you know the drill, I’m just learnin along with him.

dhunter on October 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

My biggest concern is that Obama is troubled merely by the term “surge” and may very well make a decision based upon his own personal experience with that term. To this day, Obama has never admitted that the troop surge worked in Iraq. He may see this as a situation which forces him to agree that it did. Obama may make a decision which could jeopardize lives because of his hurt pride and that’s serious stuff.
This is where rubber meets road for Obama. He can define a new maturity level, and a new perspective for himself right now. Obama needs to focus on the task at hand and decide on it’s own merits. He needs to let go of the past and he needs to listen carefully to the generals in addition to others he may consult.
My prayers go out for the soldiers in Afghanistan and for their loved ones.

tartan on October 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM

dhunter on October 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

The road in ROTC is long and tough, but if he works hard and really wants that commission, he’s sure to get it. Happiest moment of my life was taking the commissioning oath after 4 years of hard work.

I know my mom was always interested in what I was doing. She asked me things like “If there is a hurricane, what does the ship do?” (I was in Navy ROTC) Honestly, one of the only reasons I made it through that program was because of the support of my parents.

He’ll learn a great deal of Honor, Courage, and Commitment in ROTC. You’ll learn a lot as he explains what the military and ROTC are like. You’ll both gain an unprecedented first-hand experience why this country is so great.

God Bless.

-RWG

Rightwingguy on October 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM

My prayers go out for the soldiers in Afghanistan and for their loved ones.

tartan on October 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM

I was listening to hannity about a week ago and a lot of miltary parents/spouses were calling in. I don’t remember ever hearing so much emotion and pent up rage on talk radio in the last 20 years. … I don’t think team ozero really understands what is happening…

bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 11:24 PM

MB4 on October 5, 2009 at 8:07 PM

By the way, MB4, outstanding explanation (as usual) on the oath’s.

Rightwingguy on October 5, 2009 at 11:30 PM

McChrystal spoke his mind, good for him, I didn’t see any impropriety or breah of protocol in that. If this is the only way to get the attention of a self-obsessed, narcissist, egotistical, ME-ME-ME ‘comamnder in chief’…then be it, whatever it takes…as for Ohbama being ‘furious at the general’, well, mr prez, life’s a b^%$h….isn’t it, when things don’t get your way… meanwhile, we can only hope that he’s careful with that ‘fury’, or he might get an enlarged heart as a consequence and who knows…will implode or somehtin’ and leave us all bereft of his political genius :-(…

jimver on October 5, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Could it be that Obama is intentionally ignoring Afghanistan in order to create a greater crisis?

It is typical for politicians to live in a different reality than the those on the battlefield, making self-serving political decisions rather than winning strategy.

But ignoring his combat general while glad-handing the Olympic committee seems more than irresponsible — it appears intentional.

Glen Beck ran some audio today which gave more evidence for the create-a-crisis method of changing the social landscape.

I used to think Obama was only a poor executive manager. He’s really a clever poser.

Pazman on October 6, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Housekeeping:

Some HTML gone awry on the header.

atheling on October 6, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Right after the inauguration, I read an article by an Obama “insider” who said that the Prez is completely “uninterested” in foreign affairs. He prefers to focus on domestic issues.

This guy has no clue what the scope of his job entails.

2012 can’t come soon enough. Bloody hell.

atheling on October 6, 2009 at 12:18 AM

I trust that McCrystal fully understands that he isn’t the right person for the job if Obama decides to go with Biden’s ideas. Either it’s a fit or it’s not.
AnninCA on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Strange? McCrystal was hand picked by Obama FOR the job!

Biden’s ideas?

Seriously, Biden believe a helicopter he was flying in near the Af-Pak boarder was FORCED down by AQ controlled SNOW BALLS!

As far as a tool for the purpose of making a decision ask Biden what he thinks should be done……………………and do the opposite!

DSchoen on October 6, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Or maybe the General just wanted to see if the boy wonder at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. has any balls.
Really Right on October 5, 2009 at 8:59 PM

I would venture to say that the General, as well as most of the rest of us already know the answer to that question. ;-)

galvestonian on October 6, 2009 at 12:58 AM

I trust that McCrystal fully understands that he isn’t the right person for the job if Obama decides to go with Biden’s ideas. Either it’s a fit or it’s not.
AnninCA on October 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Strange? McCrystal was hand picked by Obama FOR the job!

Biden’s ideas?

Seriously, Biden believe a helicopter he was flying in near the Af-Pak boarder was FORCED down by AQ controlled SNOW BALLS!

As far as a tool for the purpose of making a decision ask Biden what he thinks should be done……………………and do the opposite!

DSchoen on October 6, 2009 at 12:42 AM

I have to agree. My thought is that I trust that the country is starting to realize Ozero isn’t the right person for the job.

As far as Biden, I think there is something to the aneurism he was treated for. I knew someone with a similar issue who could not help saying whatever was on their mind. Of course, the lamestream media was too busy tracking down alsaskan tanning beds to report on something that could have serious consequences “Hey Putin, you’re a real dork”

The thing that bothers me though is that it seems that the community organizer in chief has some kind of end game planned that we aren’t seeing yet. This smells of Cloward-Piven.

bullseye on October 6, 2009 at 12:59 AM

it seems that the community organizer in chief has some kind of end game planned that we aren’t seeing yet. This smells of Cloward-Piven.

bullseye on October 6, 2009 at 12:59 AM

on afghanistan? you think? a ‘crisis-strategy’? or somethin’ directly from the alinksy book, or maybe a little red book of his own :-)…hmmm…

jimver on October 6, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Well, I was going to say this is the first time I’ve ever agreed with everything written in a post by ALLAHPUNDIT….but then I scrolled back up and see it’s Morrissey. It figures.

Well put, Mr. Morrissey. I’m concerned by the polling data. America seems to disagree with you, but I think that is due to mixed information coming out. Hopefully people can all get their heads on straight about this because it’s critical.

Again, well done.

gocatholic on October 6, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Well when you see the usurper taking time to tell his virgin birth story to the IOC in an attempt to get a payoff for his rich Chicago buddies instead of taking the time to respond to a matter as urgent as war strategy it makes sense the General felt he should speak out.

I’m sure he had sent word thru channels he was waiting for a response long before his comments were made. There were several comments recently about Zero’s lack of engagement with his military command. This was an issue that has been brewing with more folks than just McChrystal.

Mr Purple on October 6, 2009 at 2:15 AM

My own assesment of the wars in iraq and afghanistan

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

I want it to be known that while i studied a lot
of military history (in the order of over 300 books)
that i personally read i am not an official military
hstorian and i do not possess any advaned degree.

While i served in the US army i was never in combat
i was a 63b (wheeled vehicle and power generator mechanic)
during peacetime only.

I came in to the service right after vietnam ended.

Now i wish to go back in time to vietnam and compare
the strategy looking at both the military and political
straqtegy at the time and compare it to todays climate.

The military strategy there was simple.
Without enough manpower to engulf the
entire country in order to deny access to the north vietnamese,
the us choose instead to train and bolster the south vietnamese
army.

This would increase available manpower
and by using forward firebases located at key areas
they would contol key routes thus achiving the same goal.

A side effect of this strategy was the idea of bait hold and
release where the military would lure the enemy into a fire zone
kill them and then move to another area (the dreaded body count)
statistics.

This didnt work for three reasons, but the key reason was
the enemy (the communists) using the us media and some
members of congress convinced the american people
that the war wasnt worth fighting.

This is right from the books by both carl von clausewitz and
Sun Tzu and some might argue Antoine-Henri Jomini as well.

War is really defined as the use of force to break the enemies
will to resist. It is also defined as politics by other means,
meaning the use of military force to bring about political change.

Now remember the definition (to break the enemies will to resist)
in this case vietnam first and iraq and afghanistan
We the free west are the enemy not the other way around.

In military stategy you must both control and hold key access
routes and deny such access to the enemy.

You also must not allow the enemy to escape into a safe area
to re-arm, heal their wounded, gather inteligence or to
plan new attacks no you must break the enemies will to resist.

Now encirclement of the enemy usually resulting in captured
enemy soldiers usually is a good indicator of sucess, not
the body counts of vietnam.

In vietnam it is well documented that certain us senators
hollywood actors and democrat liberal elitists activly
helped the enemy (meaning the communists) win the war.

They did this by following a three step 2 phase
plan to undermine the war and ensure the usa was defeated.

This involved the news media, politicians and communist
activists on the main streets of the USA.

The plan was to

A. increase us troop casualties specifically
B. provide news coverage of U.S GI’S dead or wounded
C. convince americans that the war was unwinable

The final plan was to

D. Pull out all us troops
E. Promise to provide funding
F. find a reason to pull the funding

thus handing over an entire country
to a viscious and deadly enemy.

This is exactly what the democrats
liberals and hollywood actors did 30 years
ago in vietnam.

And now in 2009 we again see the following
steps being prepared again.

consider this very carefully.
Obama and the democrats were handed a realtivly
peaceful iraq and all they had to do was to hold on
and not do anything stupid for 24 months.

Same thing in afghanistan all they had to do was to
show some resolve and strength and they would win.

But in less than 9 months the situation has gone from
we almost won 2 wars to we may very well loose 2 wars.
And in the democrats eyes the best part is
they will blame Former president George Bush for the
more than 2 million dead in each country after
they force a withdrawl..

This is nothing short of organized mass murder and treason.

Here is the plan again with notes updated for 2009

The plan was to

A. increase us troop casualties specifically
Obama has done this by begging the muslim countries
for forgiveness for our so called sins.

B. provide news coverage of U.S GI’S dead or wounded
Democrats working with both the islamic terrorists
and the news media are providing 24 hour a day
pro islamic terrorist coverage.

C. convince americans that the war was unwinable
This is a no brainer as all the news networks
each day had a daily body count of US DEAD
The news media only showed the Islamic scumbags
as great fredom fighter while on our own
congress floor our own senators called our own maries
baby killers, raists and murders.

This is TREASON – working for our enemies
and was committed on the floor of our own congress
by our own senate and house of representatives.
The final plan was to

D. Pull out all us troops
Hell obama and the democrats have al but stated
they are pulling out of iraq in 12 months.
and in afghanistan they cant Yet do this
so obama and biden floated the idea of
using drones to replace men on the ground.
Remember vietnam (here ya go)..

E. Promise to provide funding
Sure just like in vietnam right
There is already talk of using the entire
defense budjet to give all the illegal mexicans
free obama care for life..
I can very easily see the democrats stating
we dont have the money to protect the afghans
let them pay for it
vietnam redux anyone?

F. find a reason to pull the funding
Oh thats the easy part just claim
suddendly that the muslims we were supposed
to protect violated the womens right clause
and volla – problem solved.

The issue is this

Each time we nearly won a war in the last 40 years
the democrats WORKING for our enemies
turned the tide against our own troops.

The end result was

In cuba the democrats pulled out or more correctly
broke their promise.
Result: thousands dead.

In vietnam the democrats again pulled out
Result: 2 million dead.

In cambodia the democrats turned the other way
while the genocidal pol pot killed and butchered
Result: 2 million – some estimates say 20% of the entire
population murdered

In rawanda bill clinton turned a deaf ear and didnt lift
a finger neither did the democrats.
Result: almost 1 million dead in a month.

Now in iraq and afghanistan
the democrats in congress and the house
and all of hollywood and the news media
are again going to abandon both
countries and our soldiers who payed
such a heavy price defending their right to freedom.

I now wonder if the democrats are the enemy.
I now wonder if the democrats are working for the terrorists.
I now wonder if the democrats are even americans.

Because they are poised to betray another two nations
and an estimated 4 million will die.

Unless we stand up and stop them
by all means necessary..

It is plain to me that after 40 years
the democrats, liberals and hollywood and the news media
are not americans but are working for the enemies of
the United States of America and your family and mine.

veteranoutrage on October 6, 2009 at 2:43 AM

McCrystal cares about the lives of those who serve under him. Obama cares about…….Obama. Its really that simple.

volsense on October 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

About McChrystal.

Graduated from West Point in 1976 and began training at the Special Forces School at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, two years later.

• Moved to South Korea in 1981 to work for the U.N. Command Support Group.

• During the Persian Gulf War, served as an Army briefer and commanded the 75th Ranger Regiment in Saudi Arabia.

• Completed yearlong fellowships at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government in 1998 and in 2000 at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York City, where he reportedly ran 12 miles every day from his Brooklyn home to his Manhattan office.

• In 2001, was appointed chief of staff of military operations in Afghanistan. Two years later, he was selected to deliver nationally televised Pentagon briefings about military operations in Iraq.

• From 2003 to 2008, led the Pentagon’s Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), which oversees the military’s most sensitive forces, including the Army’s Delta Force. McChrystal’s leadership is credited with the December 2003 capture of Saddam Hussein.

• Oversaw a task force that was criticized in 2006 for abusing detainees and harsh interrogation methods at Baghdad’s Camp Nama.

• Praised (and inadvertently outed as a commander) by President George W. Bush in June 2006 after his special-ops team located and killed Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq. McChrystal reportedly accompanied his men to the bombed-out hideaway in Baquba where al-Zarqawi lay to help identify the body.

• As commander of special-operations forces in Iraq, he sent troops returning to the theater back to their original neighborhoods — a system he has suggested for general infantry soldiers in Afghanistan as head of a recent task-force review.

gordo on October 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Obama: “Let me be clear, I have no idea what I’m doing. Adam Smith was right when he wrote before the election that 141 days as a useless Senator was not enough experience to be a dog catcher in Washington D.C. I hereby resign due to complete and utter incompetence. Now I’m going out somewhere to get all wee-wee’d up”

adamsmith on October 6, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Commentators who say Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, is pressuring the White House to accept his ideas or else didn’t pay close attention to his remarks last week in London.

“I’m certainly not going to circumvent any political leadership, because at the end of the day the political leadership are the people who I work for, and I’m proud to do that,” McChrystal told the International Institute for Strategic Studies last Thursday. Once a decision on troop levels is made, he said, he will carry it out.

ted c on October 6, 2009 at 9:09 AM

gordo on October 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Obama just can’t stand being around a real man. That’s why he can’t bear talking to him.

Mojave Mark on October 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Unfortunately, McChrytstal goes along with the new insane policy of not shooting unless you’re shot at and no shooting if any civilians are around. This is a guaranteed recipe for defeat and needless American casualties.
.
We might as well end it with less dead soldiers if we are not going to fight it for real.

FactsofLife on October 6, 2009 at 9:30 AM

So fire him Obama and find yourself a useless hand puppet to carry out your dangerous and incompetent policies.

rplat on October 6, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Update: Jazz Shaw argues

lol, “moderate” voice, JUST another brown noser sniveling for MSM commendation.

maverick muse on October 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

really, Ed….The Telegraph?

let’s take a look at their sources;
First,
“According to sources close to the administration”
wow, those “sources” are CLOSE!
Then,
“An adviser to the administration said”

holy cripes, they talked to “an advisor” !

Finally,
“A military expert said: “They still have working relationship but all in all it’s not great for now.”

There it is then, they got “a military expert” to confirm the story.

Great work Ed !
I hear the National Enquirer is looking for some good reporters…..”sources say” they pay pretty well….

greataunty on October 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

gordo on October 6, 2009 at 8:55 AM

GREAT LINK! thanks

maverick muse on October 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Obama Inc. can’t even target the LEAK of McChrystal’s Report.

No, they target McChrystal and the Report. That proves they have no intention of observing his report, and no intention of supporting their field commander, and our troops in Afghanistan. They have their own agenda, and to hell with the USA and the free world. Marx goes marching on, enabling al Qaeda and the Taliban, at peace with their religion of peace, at war with all that reflects the virtues of Western Civilization.

Following Afghani 30-years of war, catch the points surrounding McChrystal reference regarding Afghan’s 2001 high expectations for hope and change that were unrealistic, to be dashed by the insurgency that grew as NATO receded and then lagged behind. More than ever, PERCEPTION MATTERS. Afghans cast their lot practically, where indicators prove. Their tribes never divide within. And each locale has its own truths, and those truths that historically were predictable are no longer traditionally viable. Afghanistan is a terribly complex mosaic of volatile relativity. The deterioration still occurring is based upon fear and violence.

Exactly how does an overview of the situation now in Afghanistan threaten this administration?

The Gates/Obama criticism of McChrystal references the important chain of command, emphasizing the ultimate CITIZEN COMMITMENT to whatever national effort/decision. Hence, if indeed Obama is to represent the “will of the people” then the people should indeed listen to McChrystal’s London address.

My original criticism of Obama ordering McChrystal to STFU still stands; McChrystal is the NATO Commander in Afghanistan and has the obligation to keep NATO members informed, not just the POTUS.

maverick muse on October 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM

My prayers go out for the soldiers in Afghanistan and for their loved ones.
tartan on October 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM

I was listening to hannity about a week ago and a lot of miltary parents/spouses were calling in. I don’t remember ever hearing so much emotion and pent up rage on talk radio in the last 20 years. … I don’t think team ozero really understands what is happening…
bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 11:24 PM

This is sad. And I can see why they are worried. Clearly there is a communication failure between Obama and the Generals. Obama needs to rely on his “political skills” or whatever such thing he claims to have and deal with this situation much more appropriately.

tartan on October 6, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Obama just needs to appoint a “decision czar” then he can just go back to being present and unaccountable as usual.

workingforpigs on October 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM

I posted this comment in the Headlines, above on the same subject

The WH is already in a noose and it was not caused by the General speaking out. The WH set itself up by declaring war strategy in a political campaign.

However useful this is to get elected, such strategy ends election day. Citizens care more about their own physical safety than political high fives

entagor on October 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM

The WH is shooting itself in the foot. By jumping on the General the public takes notice and might even read his remarks. The General appears to be moderate for one leading a war. His comments would have been an opportunity for a skilled politician

It looks infantile to lead a charge against your own General. He is removable if he is that bad

entagor on October 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM

It’s like John McCain said – “Obama claimed he’d follow Bin Laden to the gates of Hell, but now he won’t even go to the caves where he lives.”

America should’ve listened to John McCain.

I.M. Shatner on October 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I don’t know what the general said. I don;t care what he said. If it pissed Obama, I fully support it.

angryed on October 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Reassurance from Obama, “I’ll make up my own mind!” without reading any reports, without conferencing with my field generals, without knowing anything except how to fail abroad, how to ruin America from within.

White House: Obama will make up own mind on Afghan

The White House said Tuesday that President Barack Obama considers it “tremendously important” to listen to Congress about the flagging war in Afghanistan but won’t base his decisions on the mood on Capitol Hill or eroding public support for the war.

“The president is going to make a decision — popular or unpopular — based on what he thinks is in the best interests of the country,” press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters.
ANNE GEARAN, AP

maverick muse on October 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM

angryed on October 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM

The general did not say anything to disrespect anyone in his speech discussing Afghanistan. Obama’s people leaked the report to the press themselves. The general already had his London speaking engagement that Obama knew of without objection.

My point remains: Gen. McChrystal is the NATO Commander in Afghanistan, not merely Obama’s General. Obama does not have the authority to demand the NATO Commander not to conference with his NATO forces.

Obama would use this opportunity not only to ruin McChrystal’s career (Obama selected McChrystal in order to force him out of the way before Obama retreats from Afghanistan) but also Obama is using this opportunity TO RUIN the US NATO ALLIANCE.

maverick muse on October 6, 2009 at 4:07 PM

I hear the National Enquirer is looking for some good reporters…..”sources say” they pay pretty well….

greataunty on October 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

The Enquirer sure got the reportage on John Edwards right, didn’t they?????

I’m just saying…

Khun Joe on October 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM

It can’t be that bad …

Code Pink‘ rethinks its call for Afghanistan pullout
In Afghanistan, the US women’s activist group finds that their Afghan counterparts want US troop presence – as well as more reconstruction.

J_Crater on October 6, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Anyone who has seen the movie Inglorious Basterds…Aldo Rains, has a line toward the end, where Hans Landa tells Rains, he will be shot for killing the other German solider with him. Aldo replies, no I won’t, you are the one, I have to deliever, they will just chew my ass for shooting him….”I’ve had my ass chewed before”

I bet if you asked General Stanley McChyrstal, if that has ever been his experience, in his Military Career, he might answer in the Affirmative GRIN. If it moves the President of the dime, regarding National Security re, the Afghan Campaign, isn’t it worth an ass chewing? Besides you know how tough those General’s backsides are, they are like well worn leather LOL!

Dr Evil on October 6, 2009 at 6:38 PM

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