Paying for pre-existing conditions is like running down to the insurance company to pay for your house thatis ALREADY on fire!

Not really. I work in auto insurance and that type of conduct is simply put Fraud. However there is a vast difference between property and health. Property can be burnt down and be rebuilt or replaced. Dame to your health can have permanent and/or long lasting effects. I’d sooner burn down my house than gamble on my health.

That may or may not be an acceptable arrangement but you are way off base to suggest that it is BS.

Why terminology may have been strong but I won’t argue probabilities with you because in the end you and me are gonna disagree regardless and I can tell their probably would be no compromise.

What is WRONG with the chicken-sh*t GOP!? Unless the Dems outright made Obama king of the USA, what better material could the Reps possibly need to crucify them on the airwaves?! Give any of us (minus trolls and moderates) on HA thirty seconds of primetime coverage and I can guarantee we’d lay out a better offensive against Herr Obama and his minions than any anything we’ve seen come from the RNC thus far.

GET A PAIR!!! Our country is at stake, you fools!

It will make insurance more expensive than it is now. Insurance companies are in the buisness of risk so if the risk is higher so is the price! Plain common sense……

How is that demanding that you pay for my condition?

spypeach on October 5, 2009 at 8:17 AM

You missed the point entirely. It’s not about you and your pre-existing condition. It’s about the pool of individuals and how health insurance is priced. Rattl3r was claiming that he/she should had the right to not pay any more as an individual seeking insurance as he does through his employer. If an individual is out there seeking insurance and expecting to pay the same rates they do as part of a pool of workers, then, yes, they are demanding others pay for them.

To not include pre-existing conditions in pricing health insurance is essentially demanding that others subsdize your condition

A lot of people who have pre-existing conditons have healthy periods where they pay thousands into the system without submitting high claims, and we pay premiums just like you. How is that demanding that you pay for my condition?

So you’re telling me with my epilepsy that I’m shit outta luck? My employer’s healthcare plan basically in essence forces the insurer to cover me. But if I bought through BCBS on my own without it being through my employer then I’d be shit outta luck. My premium would be so high I couldn’t afford it. I oppose the public option but jacking up premium’s on people with pre-existing conditions, especially conditions they were born with is bullshit.

I agree, I also have chronic condition that I’ve had since I was 14, I was a Air Force brat so I was covered till I was 18, after that, I had to make sure I had a good job so that I could get on a group plan, so that I would be covered. There are times I have been without Insurance, but I worked through it, usually the doctors would let me make payments. I’m married now, and my husband has a good job with good insurance so I’m covered now. We pay high premiums for the best option, and I have gone several years without really having to use insurance much, and then there are times that we use it a lot. My point is I agree with you that having a pre-existing condition should not cause us to have to pay more. I’ve paid into the insurance system for over 20 years now, sometimes they make money because I don’t have any claims, and sometimes they lose money when I’m sick, that’s just the way it goes.

I really hope that Obama and company fail to pass this bill, it is just wrong. They need to keep there hands off of my healthcare.

I oppose the public option but jacking up premium’s on people with pre-existing conditions, especially conditions they were born with is bullshit.

Rattl3r on October 5, 2009 at 7:30 AM

You don’t get it. Health insurance is all about probabilities. Nobody is sitting around and figuring out how to “jack up” premiums to stick it to epileptics. To not include pre-existing conditions in pricing health insurance is essentially demanding that others subsdize your condition. That may or may not be an acceptable arrangement but you are way off base to suggest that it is BS.

Any problem with setting up the public option as plan B if and only if private insurance premiums spiral out of control? Why, yes: Between requiring all Americans to carry insurance and requiring all insurance companies to cover people regardless of preexisting conditions, the final bill’s practically guaranteed to generate that spiral.

So you’re telling me with my epilepsy that I’m shit outta luck? My employer’s healthcare plan basically in essence forces the insurer to cover me. But if I bought through BCBS on my own without it being through my employer then I’d be shit outta luck. My premium would be so high I couldn’t afford it. I oppose the public option but jacking up premium’s on people with pre-existing conditions, especially conditions they were born with is bullshit.

Cut the Mc Cain, Collins, and Snowes loose right now GOP.

Jeff from WI on October 5, 2009 at 5:33 AM

I’m all for free range RINOs.

Pass this Dems. It will be war if you do.

I aim to misbehave.

The Ronin Edge on October 4, 2009 at 11:53 PM

“Stand your ground. Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”

Captain John Parker, April 19 1775, Lexington MA

Here is another, fellow patriots! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZkvkLmkYVg

When they go for the second set of persecutions, there will be blood. Spiritk9 on October 5, 2009 at 2:32 AM

Dude, I don’t think we can afford to wait for a FIRST set of persecutions (prosecutions?), and I don’t think many people intend to wait for a first set either.

The GOP MUST stand united against any bill that changes the healthcare system into what the libs want. Until Congress can come up with something that actually helps the system, I say the GOP needs to stay hands off. The dems have the votes to pass it, I say let ‘em pass it. Let THEM take the responsibility.

I know there are many who are afraid the left will get all the “credit” when their healthcare bill works out. Trust me, there isn’t a single option on the table by the left right now that can succeed. Period. The crap they’re forcefeeding this nation is going to backfire. Badly. And they know it.

There is a reason they don’t want to pass it without GOP support: They do NOT want to take the blame when it fails.

We’ve got to stop playing into their hands and GIVING them bright shiny pairs of jackboots to kick our arses with.

The Dems want to make every doctor, nurse, and their assistants in the US members of either AFSMCE or SEIU. Not only do they kill off the evil profiteers that actually create medical innovation and new medications, they get kickbacks from the windfalls of their union thugs.

It’s amazing how transparent this power grab is and yet so many people buy into it. Do so many people think that these sleazy politicians are more interested in providing health care for us unwashed idiots than in making sure they have a huge source of union slush-funds, kickbacks, and corruption???

SIGH!!!

They want punitive actions for people that don’t play along. That means they make criminals of protesters and decent, honest Americans that want to retain their right to choose.

What they will get in return is burned buildings and piles of dead. Guaranteed it’ll come to that. Not when the first group of people are initially prosecuted, but when they are sentenced for basically not being progressive socialist fascist lemmings and the government refuses to back down and change the rules. When they go for the second set of persecutions, there will be blood.

I can only hope that the anger and violence is directed where it needs to be, at the pigs at the “top” that did it to us over our objections.