Shhh: White House negotiating for public option behind the scenes
posted at 8:40 pm on October 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
I’ve always thought that they’re better off going for a liberal bill that the left will love and the right will hate rather than some weak-tea compromise that will only irritate both sides. In the former scenario, they get rapturous press and GOTV support from progressives next year; in the latter, they get a disaffected base and plenty of angry conservatives at the polls regardless. The GOP picks up seats either way but there’s no reason necessarily to think they pick up more in scenario one than scenario two.
Sounds like The One’s figured it out, although predictably he’s unwilling to gamble his political capital on full-throated support for a government plan. Better to save that sort of thing for, say, the Olympics, where there are few political consequences to flaming out spectacularly.
But now, senior administration officials are holding private meetings almost daily at the Capitol with senior Democratic staff to discuss ways to include a version of the public plan in the health care bill that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., plans to bring to the Senate floor later this month, according to senior Democratic congressional aides…
At the same time, Obama has been reaching out personally to rank-and-file Senate Democrats, telephoning more than a dozen lawmakers in the last week to press the case for action…
“The challenge is to go to the (Senate) floor, hold the deal,” said Steve Elmendorf, a lobbyist who was chief of staff to former House Democratic leader Dick Gephardt. But “they are more involved than people think. They have a plan and a strategy, and they know what they want to get and they work with people to get it.”…
He has met repeatedly in private with Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, who has floated a proposal to allow states to set up government plans as a fallback if commercial insurers do not control premiums.
Any problem with setting up the public option as plan B if and only if private insurance premiums spiral out of control? Why, yes: Between requiring all Americans to carry insurance and requiring all insurance companies to cover people regardless of preexisting conditions, the final bill’s practically guaranteed to generate that spiral. Robert Tracinski:
The Baucus bill includes an “individual mandate” that requires everyone to buy health insurance-but not inexpensive, high-deductible catastrophic health insurance. Instead, it imposes a requirement for pricier comprehensive coverage that pays for routine costs like annual checkups. The bill then requires that insurance companies provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, and that they charge customers at high risk of medical problems the same rates as those with lower risks-which means that these extra expenses will have to be paid for by raising everyone else’s premiums.
And then the Baucus bill delivers the knock-out punch: after forcing us into expensive comprehensive insurance plans and driving up the cost of those plans, the bill would impose a massive 40% tax on “gold-plated” plans-which turn out to include the health-insurance plans of many in the middle class. So that drives up the cost of insurance even higher.
You can see why it doesn’t much matter whether or not we have a “public option” in the original bill. Everything else in the bill is designed to make private health insurance unaffordable-so that in a few years, people will clamor for a government-subsidized “public option,” and the same politicians who destroyed private health insurance can make a big show of coming to the rescue of their victims.
A fascinating hypothetical: What if the Democrats push through a bill without a public option, the GOP takes back Congress next year, and then Tracinski’s nightmare comes to pass? Would the GOP have the stones to try to repeal the individual mandate (quite possibly) or the requirement that preexisting conditions be covered (quite impossibly)? Would they dare consider “riding to the rescue” by passing some sort of limited public option? That sounds like an insane question to ask, but remember who we’re talking about here.
Follow the Tribune link and read down to the end and you’ll find the Democrats leaning hard on congressional waverers with polls about how much support the public option allegedly draws. Funny how those polls change once you introduce the possibility of adverse consequences. I’m tempted to say that the GOP should start a message blitz about those consequences ASAP, but given the near certainty that the individual mandate and preexisting coverage provisions will pass, what good will it do in the end?









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Which is why we need to get rid of the appeasers like McCain or Collins. I don’t want a negotiated less liberal bill than proposed. I want Republicans who fight the whole idea to begin with.
highhopes on October 4, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I have a feeling that this might not even get to a floor vote in the Senate. I think a few Republicans will risk their jobs and stall this for the good of the country with every trick they can.
I believe we haven’t seen the true conservatives begin to fight.
gophergirl on October 4, 2009 at 10:32 PM
It’s quite astounding and frightening when you step back and realize that your government is dedicated to destroying an entire industry in order to achieve a state of supplicating serfdom.
rrpjr on October 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Own it democrats..
The more Americans hear from Obama and learn about what is actually in this health care bill,the worse it gets for democrats every month.
Own it democrats..
Just like you own the failed stimulus….
Own it democrats…
Just like you will own the failure in Afghanistan if you don’t provide the military with “all” the resources they will need and 100% support from the White House.
Own it democrats.
See you in 2010.
Baxter Greene on October 4, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Secret meetings? Ah, doesn’t sound so transparent. I’m sure we’ll see all of this on CSPAN. What? No?
pjean on October 4, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Does Snowe think this will be political cover for her?!
Maybe all this public option was just kabuki so they could start this slow march to socialized medicine…and permanent power. The mental health provision they stuck into the TARP raised my premium, and I foresee lots of those mandates in the future.
The Reps still don’t get it: WE DON’T WANT ANY BILL.
PattyJ on October 4, 2009 at 10:42 PM
It really is a nightmare. We might get the moderates if the Dems shove this down our throats, but if Palin is still anywhere on the horizon, those some dumb*sses will run screaming back to Zero.
I base this upon one idiot acquaintance who epitomizes every worthless stereotype of the moderates. He’s disappointed by Obama for leaning too far Left but very impressed by his pant crease and absolutely convinced that Palin is an imbecile who’d be so much worse (basically, he believes every Leftist smear of her and thinks SNL’s Palin is the real one).
I love Palin, but she’s got her work cut out for her with these stupid moderates.
Kensington on October 4, 2009 at 10:44 PM
gofher girl at 10:32.
I hope you are correct. I wish I could share your confidence.
GaltBlvnAtty on October 4, 2009 at 10:46 PM
It was a Automobile Holocaust!!
canopfor on October 4, 2009 at 10:11 PM
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ROTFLMAO!
Bravo!!!!!
highhopes on October 4, 2009 at 10:29 PM
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That is funny!
JellyToast on October 4, 2009 at 10:31 PM
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highhopes/JellyToast: Thanks:)
canopfor on October 4, 2009 at 10:48 PM
I’m one of the many Vets who receive healthcare from the VA…
I think it’s great but have this gut feeling it’s going to go down that Event Horizon…
The dirty little secret they aren’t telling anybody is how it’s going to change and has already started…
Every time I see my doctor they ask me if I have a Living Will yet and try to get me to talk to someone about it…
I had an “End Of Life Counseling encounter” and I ain’t dying ! Something is in the works to change it…
jerrytbg on October 4, 2009 at 10:52 PM
:) I don’t know if it’s stupid confidence but I just have a feeling that this fight isn’t over and that our side will prevail. Maybe with a little divine intervention but we will win. It’s too important not to.
gophergirl on October 4, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Does anyone know what will happen to existing “fee for service” health care practices if Obamacare passes? My pediatrician has been fee for service for years- you pay him up front and file and get reimbursed from your own insurance yourself. He was able to cut two full-time office staff and keep costs down for everyone. Just spoke to him last week. He seems to believe that he’s immune to whatever happens to health care because he doesn’t deal with insurance. Is he right? If he is, why wouldn’t all practices switch to fee for service practices?
parteagirl on October 4, 2009 at 10:58 PM
He’s like a pedophile, he just won’t give up.
Or like the Pink Bunny, he just keeps going, going, going–
As will the democrat congress if they force us to eat this crap sandwich.
Dhuka on October 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Why doesn’t some conservative in the republican party raise holy hell! I haven’t seen one yet! I’m don’t trust them anymore.
MCGIRV on October 4, 2009 at 11:04 PM
As with HillaryCare, medicare, and medicaid – it would be illegal for any physician to accept payment directly from a patient. Your pediatrician needs to read the bill. And you’re absolutely correct, every physician would do it.
Marcus on October 4, 2009 at 11:06 PM
You MUST be a liberal!
I had 30 plus years in the automobile business, what Highhopes said, as he is dead on.
Strong sales like that would mean EVERYONE would pay sticker price (or more) for every purchase. No discounts, no rebates, and the used cars would be worthless.
But here’s the other problem with your theory.
Most people FINANCE their cars. Even worse, most people do this with as little money down as possible. Most don’t even put enough money down to cover the taxes and other fees!
The second they drive the car off the lot, they owe thousands more than it is worth. They are “upside down.” They have no equity.
They might trade once, and if their credit was beyond awesome, they might even get away with carrying the inequity of the last car over into the new one. But after that purchase, they wouldn’t be able to trade again until the car was completely paid off.
And God forbid if they totaled the car if they still owed money own it! Wouldn’t be pretty!
gary4205 on October 4, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Barry and His Congress are like that petulant child we have all seen in the big box store.
He keeps throwing things in the cart, and Mommy keeps saying “No.” to little effect.
Then Mommy sees that he has a really fragile, really expensive item aimed at the cart…..
hillbillyjim on October 4, 2009 at 11:21 PM
After writing my senator, Bill Nelson, time and time again to express my displeasure at a “government” option. This weekend I receive an email happily informing me that all is not lost and that the Democrats in the Senate are racking their brains for someway to assure that the gov. option survives and prospers. It’s good to know that all my correspondence have gone for naught. It’s bad enough when your representative disagrees with you but to willfully ignore your differences is annoying to the extreme.
Cindy Munford on October 4, 2009 at 11:25 PM
This is a Marxist coup, and Obama intends to win.
Dave R. on October 4, 2009 at 11:36 PM
This just means the Democrats are going to own a septic tank full of legislation before it’s all over with.
Griz on October 4, 2009 at 11:41 PM
If it is any consolation. I wrote Debby Stabenow demanding that she hold Geitner accountable. From the E-mail response I got, it turns out that holding Geitner responsible means for economic issues means that I must also support prosecuting Bush administration officials for torture.
highhopes on October 4, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Well, gee, that’s hardly a stretch at all. You know what is really irritating is it probably some snotty little 20-something fresh out of college coming up with all this obtuse replies. You know that they twist everything to make it appear that they are following the will of their constituents. I am calling his office tomorrow.
Cindy Munford on October 4, 2009 at 11:51 PM
ALL Red states need to follow Arizona’s lead and mount a 10th Amendment challenge to socialism.
DerKrieger on October 5, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Uhm, Sarah Palin???
bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Aw C’mon man, you can’t be serious. If obama was really a Marxist, he’d be appointing communists to cza….. oops never mind, you are right!! :)
bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 12:27 AM
My son and I recently Saw “Escape from witch mountain”. The one scene in there was great.
Some overbearing feds walk into a small town bar and start throwing their weight around. They get p*ssy with the sheriff and the Jack booted thugs draw their weapons. Two seconds later the feds realize that every patron in the bar is armed and they are looking down the barrels of 30+ weapons.
Feds leave meekly.
Kind of odd to have a state’s rights thing in a hollywood movie (Probably wasn’t even directed by John Milnius)
bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Reminds me of Saint Jeanne D’Arc of Domremy, France. Her goal as mandated by God=give France their king, alongside the troops. I wanted a replica of her banner for a tea party, but is very hard to find what’s painted in the center.
Since I don’t want anybody burned alive either literally or metaphorically, I wanna make sure (be reassured) that Sarah is protected. IMHO, there has to be a serious GOP change and put her to run the party. There is a serious lack of cojones in DC.
Men in the party can’t complain and not let a chick do what she has to do-clean things up so Dems QUIT MAKING THINGS UP!
Here’s Saint Jeanne D’Arc prayer, pls. copy, paste and send to the troops or whoever needs some strength:
PRAYER TO SAINT JOAN OF ARC
In the face of your enemies,
in the face of harassment,
ridicule, and doubt, you held firm
in your faith.
Even in your abandonment, alone
and without friends, you held firm
in your faith.
I pray that I may be as bold
in my beliefs as you, St. Joan.
I ask that you ride alongside me
in my own battles.
Help me be mindful that what is
worthwhile can be won when I persist.
Help me hold firm in my faith.
Help me believe in my ability
to act well and wisely. Amen.
ProudPalinFan on October 5, 2009 at 12:58 AM
My son and I recently Saw “Escape from witch mountain”. The one scene in there was great.
Some overbearing feds walk into a small town bar and start throwing their weight around. They get p*ssy with the sheriff and the Jack booted thugs draw their weapons. Two seconds later the feds realize that every patron in the bar is armed and they are looking down the barrels of 30+ weapons.
Feds leave meekly.
Kind of odd to have a state’s rights thing in a hollywood movie (Probably wasn’t even directed by John Milnius)
bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 12:32 AM
I got that movie (well-all three!) You know that the sheriff and the waitress are the ORIGINAL KIDS? Look again and you will see. Too bad there was not some sort of “Tony” and “Tina” minor twist; even though I know that would’ve veered the movie away from the youngsters, who did a kickass job.
ProudPalinFan on October 5, 2009 at 1:01 AM
Correction: Current movie title is Race to Witch Mountain.
ProudPalinFan on October 5, 2009 at 1:03 AM
What would happen if this bill passes with the mandate and we all refuse to buy “acceptable” health insurance — like 30 million of us? Then what? They throw us all in jail? The put a lein on us all?
Christian Conservative on October 5, 2009 at 1:05 AM
What they will do is what the IRS does. Every year right before filing time a couple of people get sentenced for tax evasion. The IRS (led by noted tax cheat Timmy Geithner) make sure that the lamestream media covers it thoroughly.
It’s like the old practice of public torture, execution and sticking the person’s head on the pike. Let the commoners know their place in society.
The other thing they will do, which will be evil, is that they will deny treatment for those people and their families. It might not be overt but it could be in the form of “Sorry, we rejected your form because you did not check box 65. Please resubmit. However, note that we need to start the process from the beginning”
bullseye on October 5, 2009 at 1:26 AM
IF they push Americans too hard into this serfdom crap I think they’re going to have more than elections and polls to worry about.
They want punitive actions for people that don’t play along. That means they make criminals of protesters and decent, honest Americans that want to retain their right to choose.
What they will get in return is burned buildings and piles of dead. Guaranteed it’ll come to that. Not when the first group of people are initially prosecuted, but when they are sentenced for basically not being progressive socialist fascist lemmings and the government refuses to back down and change the rules. When they go for the second set of persecutions, there will be blood.
I can only hope that the anger and violence is directed where it needs to be, at the pigs at the “top” that did it to us over our objections.
Spiritk9 on October 5, 2009 at 2:32 AM
What’s “in a bill” these days seems a moot point.
Recent history has shown that, in this congress particularly, legislation that few have read gets pushed through – and even then changed after the fact.
Any conservative who wishes to retain his or her seat in 2010 would be wise to stay far away from any sense that they endorse this travesty.
PaddyJ on October 5, 2009 at 2:39 AM
The lefties simply think that the idea of making ANY profit from sick people is immoral. Well, now that I think about it, they think that making profit at all is immoral, unless, of course it is THEIR profits (“Attn: Mr. Moore, you’re limo is waiting”).
The Dems want to make every doctor, nurse, and their assistants in the US members of either AFSMCE or SEIU. Not only do they kill off the evil profiteers that actually create medical innovation and new medications, they get kickbacks from the windfalls of their union thugs.
It’s amazing how transparent this power grab is and yet so many people buy into it. Do so many people think that these sleazy politicians are more interested in providing health care for us unwashed idiots than in making sure they have a huge source of union slush-funds, kickbacks, and corruption???
SIGH!!!
shorebird on October 5, 2009 at 2:55 AM
Any GOP participation on this bill and we own it. Period. If they float this thing and it sinks like a big poopy, the first thing they’re going to do is say “But the GOP signed on! It’s THEIR fault.”
The GOP MUST stand united against any bill that changes the healthcare system into what the libs want. Until Congress can come up with something that actually helps the system, I say the GOP needs to stay hands off. The dems have the votes to pass it, I say let ‘em pass it. Let THEM take the responsibility.
I know there are many who are afraid the left will get all the “credit” when their healthcare bill works out. Trust me, there isn’t a single option on the table by the left right now that can succeed. Period. The crap they’re forcefeeding this nation is going to backfire. Badly. And they know it.
There is a reason they don’t want to pass it without GOP support: They do NOT want to take the blame when it fails.
We’ve got to stop playing into their hands and GIVING them bright shiny pairs of jackboots to kick our arses with.
Mad Mad Monica on October 5, 2009 at 4:23 AM
Dude, I don’t think we can afford to wait for a FIRST set of persecutions (prosecutions?), and I don’t think many people intend to wait for a first set either.
Fishoutofwater on October 5, 2009 at 5:09 AM
Cut the Mc Cain, Collins, and Snowes loose right now GOP.
Their weasily personalities only bring down a possibly viable party. This bill, which will destroy the middle class employer paid insurance, will be the death knell to anyone that touches it.
Jeff from WI on October 5, 2009 at 5:33 AM
Terrific video, Jelly Toast!
Here is another, fellow patriots! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZkvkLmkYVg
onlineanalyst on October 5, 2009 at 7:03 AM
“Stand your ground. Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”
Captain John Parker, April 19 1775, Lexington MA
highhopes on October 5, 2009 at 7:24 AM
I’m all for free range RINOs.
highhopes on October 5, 2009 at 7:25 AM
So you’re telling me with my epilepsy that I’m shit outta luck? My employer’s healthcare plan basically in essence forces the insurer to cover me. But if I bought through BCBS on my own without it being through my employer then I’d be shit outta luck. My premium would be so high I couldn’t afford it. I oppose the public option but jacking up premium’s on people with pre-existing conditions, especially conditions they were born with is bullshit.
Rattl3r on October 5, 2009 at 7:30 AM
You don’t get it. Health insurance is all about probabilities. Nobody is sitting around and figuring out how to “jack up” premiums to stick it to epileptics. To not include pre-existing conditions in pricing health insurance is essentially demanding that others subsdize your condition. That may or may not be an acceptable arrangement but you are way off base to suggest that it is BS.
highhopes on October 5, 2009 at 7:38 AM
I agree, I also have chronic condition that I’ve had since I was 14, I was a Air Force brat so I was covered till I was 18, after that, I had to make sure I had a good job so that I could get on a group plan, so that I would be covered. There are times I have been without Insurance, but I worked through it, usually the doctors would let me make payments. I’m married now, and my husband has a good job with good insurance so I’m covered now. We pay high premiums for the best option, and I have gone several years without really having to use insurance much, and then there are times that we use it a lot. My point is I agree with you that having a pre-existing condition should not cause us to have to pay more. I’ve paid into the insurance system for over 20 years now, sometimes they make money because I don’t have any claims, and sometimes they lose money when I’m sick, that’s just the way it goes.
I really hope that Obama and company fail to pass this bill, it is just wrong. They need to keep there hands off of my healthcare.
spypeach on October 5, 2009 at 7:59 AM
A lot of people who have pre-existing conditons have healthy periods where they pay thousands into the system without submitting high claims, and we pay premiums just like you. How is that demanding that you pay for my condition?
spypeach on October 5, 2009 at 8:17 AM
You missed the point entirely. It’s not about you and your pre-existing condition. It’s about the pool of individuals and how health insurance is priced. Rattl3r was claiming that he/she should had the right to not pay any more as an individual seeking insurance as he does through his employer. If an individual is out there seeking insurance and expecting to pay the same rates they do as part of a pool of workers, then, yes, they are demanding others pay for them.
highhopes on October 5, 2009 at 8:49 AM
Backroom politics.
Pay for play.
It’s the…
Chicago Way!
PaddyJ on October 5, 2009 at 9:03 AM
He is determined to go AGAINST the american people! He has been told we don;t want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xler8bmw on October 5, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Paying for pre-existing conditions is like running down to the insurance company to pay for your house thatis ALREADY on fire!
It will make insurance more expensive than it is now. Insurance companies are in the buisness of risk so if the risk is higher so is the price! Plain common sense……
xler8bmw on October 5, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Heh, heh; This is some of the pay back from the White House for rooting against the Chicago Olympics!
Cybergeezer on October 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM
It would be more economical for my family to pay the outrageous “fee” for choosing to abstain from the government’s crap system and buy our care out behind the urgent care under the cover of darkness. We’ve got good insurance so I’m sure we’re under the umbrella of massive taxation for being responsible and covering ourselves presently. We would certainly be put in a very tight spot financially if this passes – but we will NEVER submit to the “Nanny in DC.” She best keep her teats to herself lest she eventually find herself on the wrong end of a citizen-wielded mastectomy.
What is WRONG with the chicken-sh*t GOP!? Unless the Dems outright made Obama king of the USA, what better material could the Reps possibly need to crucify them on the airwaves?! Give any of us (minus trolls and moderates) on HA thirty seconds of primetime coverage and I can guarantee we’d lay out a better offensive against Herr Obama and his minions than any anything we’ve seen come from the RNC thus far.
GET A PAIR!!! Our country is at stake, you fools!
citrus on October 5, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Not really. I work in auto insurance and that type of conduct is simply put Fraud. However there is a vast difference between property and health. Property can be burnt down and be rebuilt or replaced. Dame to your health can have permanent and/or long lasting effects. I’d sooner burn down my house than gamble on my health.
Why terminology may have been strong but I won’t argue probabilities with you because in the end you and me are gonna disagree regardless and I can tell their probably would be no compromise.
Rattl3r on October 5, 2009 at 8:51 PM
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