Secret UN report: Iran knows how to build a bomb

posted at 6:36 pm on October 4, 2009 by Allahpundit

I don’t mean to be alarmist but I’m starting to think they’re interested in building a bomb.

Two years ago, American intelligence agencies published a detailed report [i.e. the 2007 NIE] concluding that Tehran halted its efforts to design a nuclear weapon in 2003. But in recent months, Britain has joined France, Germany and Israel in disputing that conclusion, saying the work has been resumed.

A senior American official said last week that the United States was now re-evaluating its 2007 conclusions.

The atomic agency’s report also presents evidence that beyond improving upon bomb-making information gathered from rogue nuclear experts around the world, Iran has done extensive research and testing on how to fashion the components of a weapon. It does not say how far that work has progressed…

American officials say that in the direct negotiations with Iran that began last week, it will be vital to get the country to open all of its suspected sites to international inspectors. That is a long list, topped by the underground nuclear enrichment center under construction near Qum that was revealed 10 days ago…

Most dramatically, the report says the agency “assesses that Iran has sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable implosion nuclear device” based on highly enriched uranium.

This would be the same “secret” report that France’s foreign minister has been hounding IAEA chief/Iranian stooge Mohammed ElBaradei to release for weeks now, only to be met with hemming and hawing about how it’s “incomplete” and “there’s no concrete proof.” Evidently the proof was concrete enough for UN analysts to, um, put together an entire report on it, but leave it to the stooge to try to keep that rather pertinent information out of a raging international debate lest it increase pressure on Iran.

As for that portentous aside in the Times piece about there being a “long list” of suspected nuclear sites — which is entirely true, although you wouldn’t know it from the high-fiving going on over the revelation of a single secret site last week — will that list ever be published or will the public go on being misled into thinking that the UN inspections at Qom on October 25 are some sort of game-changer? Remember, the supposed “breakthrough” by which Iran would send its uranium to Russia for enrichment is important if and only if we know for certain that they’re not doing any additional enriching on the sly themselves. If there’s a “long list” of other suspected secret sites, then obviously we can’t know that. So much for the breakthrough.

Incidentally, that October 25 date is actually beyond the two-week deadline laid down by Obama last week and will come slightly more than a month after Iran first acknowledged the existence of the Qom facility, which we know gives them ample time to hide any evidence there. But who cares? This fiasco has reached a point of such absurdity that while Obama’s busy lobbying Medvedev to support sanctions against Iran, Netanyahu’s meeting secretly with Putin to kindly request that Russian scientists stop helping Iran to build their bomb. Quote:

“There has been Russian help. It is not the government, it is individuals, at least one helping Iran on weaponisation activities and it is worrisome,” said David Albright, a former weapons inspector who is president of the Institute for Science and International Security.

However, Israeli officials insist that any Russian scientists working in Iran could do so only with official approval.

Exit question: I know I’ve asked this before, but in light of the spiralling fears about a Sunni/Shia nuclear arms race in the Middle East, it bears asking again. Ever wonder how Saddam would be reacting to this if he was still in charge in Iraq?


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in light of the spiralling fears about a Sunni/Shia nuclear arms race in the Middle East, it bears asking again. Ever wonder how Saddam would be reacting to this if he was still in charge in Iraq?

Exit answer, it would not matter if we gave Iran the same remedy that we gave Iraq. I say if they want a nuke, we should give ‘em one. A used one.

MikeA on October 4, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Maybe it`s for peaceful purposes.

/sarc

ThePrez on October 4, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Well given any decent engineering grad student could come up with a crude but workable atomic bomb plan now a days, that is really not news.

Mr. Joe on October 4, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Well given any decent engineering grad student could come up with a crude but workable atomic bomb plan now a days, that is really not news.

Mr. Joe on October 4, 2009 at 6:43 PM

If that was true one would have been used by now

Quit with the silly chit.

CWforFreedom on October 4, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I’m starting to think they’re interested in building a bomb.

No You have it wrong. How many times does Iran have to tell the world that they are enriching uranium for peaceful purposes?

dentalque on October 4, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Mr Joe- I realize you meant the plan only…read the article again:

The atomic agency’s report also presents evidence that beyond improving upon bomb-making information gathered from rogue nuclear experts around the world, Iran has done extensive research and testing on how to fashion the components of a weapon. It does not say how far that work has progressed

CWforFreedom on October 4, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Most dramatically, the report says the agency “assesses that Iran has sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable implosion nuclear device” based on highly enriched uranium.

Implosion devices are far more sophisticated than the simpler and more reliable “bullet” type device. If they are near to making an implosion device they already have the “bullet” type weapon.

Guardian on October 4, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Usually when a crazy little man running a totalitarian dictatorship, threatening to blow up the world can just be dismissed as simply a crazy little man running a totalitarian dictatorship, threatening to blow up the world.

Not so much this time.

gopmom on October 4, 2009 at 6:49 PM

My comment above was sarcasm. (Don’t be obtuse.)

dentalque on October 4, 2009 at 6:49 PM

No surprise- The deal was for Iran to get the bomb in exchange for easing off the pressure so the One could pull US out of Iraq.

Obama made the situation worse by failing to get garuntees from the Russians what Iran will be allowed to do with the bomb, and including hands off Afganistan in the deal.

Obama made the situation even worse by encouraging the extremist islamist elements. Now Hamas rules and would kill off the rest of the PA if not for the nightly mop ups by the IDF.

One day we will wake upand there will be no more Iranian nuke program beacuse Israel will be forced to take action by the rest of the world’s burying their head in the sand.

If the One provides Israel with the technology to bust the bunkers completely it will be a done deal for a good ten years or so, if not many may perish in the retalliation, but not as many as a nuclear Iran brining on the thirteenth imam.

Reality Check on October 4, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Like the facility at Qom our intelligence has probably known this for some time.

The question is what are we/they doing about it? (See the SNL bit for the answer!)

Most likely no one will really get serious about Iran’s nukes until they drop one one someboby — then all h*ll will break loose!

We will have peace in our time — until we don’t! God help us! (or in AP’s case Whoever help us!)

rebuzz on October 4, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Of course they can.

It is only a secret to the UN.

Dhuka on October 4, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Please, please, please can someone on the international stage just say:

“No! Fuck Off! You don’t need nuclear technology for electricity. You’ve got a shitload of oil to make electricity and it’s an insult that you expect us to believe that. Now dismantle the reactors by Friday, we’re going to bomb them.

The longer our planet goes along with this little joke about Iran needing nuclear energy, the harder it is going to be to stop them.

uptight on October 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM

HuffPo has the banner headline “Don’t Overestimate Iran” or something with the link to newsweek.com and the cover story on Iran which is a quick 4 page read if only to dance in the mind of a liberal for 10 minutes or so. There’s plenty of room.

Marcus on October 4, 2009 at 6:53 PM

There is no way Saddam would produce weapons of mass destruction. Just ask the Israelis (nuclear) and Kurds (chemical). /s

Phoenician on October 4, 2009 at 6:53 PM

A senior American official said last week that the United States was now re-evaluating its 2007 conclusions.

Of course they’re re-evaluating the 2007 intel conclusions that Iran had halted its program.

How else could they lay their own failures, present and future, at the feet of Booosh?

TXUS on October 4, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Exit question: I know I’ve asked this before, but in light of the spiralling fears about a Sunni/Shia nuclear arms race in the Middle East, it bears asking again. Ever wonder how Saddam would be reacting to this if he was still in charge in Iraq?

Shhhh Allah. That won’t help Michelle’s children.
Enriching uranium to use for medical purposes? /s

HornetSting on October 4, 2009 at 6:54 PM

One of the instances where I agree with that washed up, Good old panderer McCain:

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran!

But alas now we have elected a President that is more likely to side with Iran when Isreal is forced to do the job we should have had the courage and intestinal fortitude to do!

Bush II, had a brilliant plan in taking out Saddam putting the US forces in the heart of the mideast and winning the hearts and minds of a large part of the population of a country smack dabb in between Israel and her gravest enemy, the gravest enemy of the whole region.
Unfortunately Bush II like Bush I choose not to fight back against his enemies domestically and let them drive his and the GOP approval into the toilet, and in the mideast he failed to finish the job by not taking out Iranian nukes as a result.

The time window is about to close on any meaningful operation.

dhunter on October 4, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Marcus on October 4, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Don’t overestimate HuffPo!

rebuzz on October 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Ever wonder how Saddam would be reacting to this if he was still in charge in Iraq?

Triple his efforts to build his own bomb.

My hunch is that Fareed Zakaria is right about one thing (and only one on this issue): Iran will not actually build a nuclear bomb. That is put one together.

They’ll announce six months from now or a year that they’ve developed all of the components for one but out of an interest for peace and brotherhood, they’ll not actually put one together.

But they’ll reserve the right to do so in the interest of the Islamic world and to curtail Zionist actions.

Can they do this without actually testing one? I guess not. But the very threat that they will is enough to influence the rest of the region to their liking.

SteveMG on October 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Who didn’t already know this? Seriously?
Come on!

bridgetown on October 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM

SteveMG on October 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM

I wish/hope you’re right — I FEAR you’re wrong.

If they build it, they will bomb!

rebuzz on October 4, 2009 at 6:58 PM

What do we stand to gain- at least, what would the administration say we have to gain?

We know that Russians are helping the Iranians and we’re conflicted as to whether its state help, or simply individuals. What do we do? We try to strike a deal to allow enrichment to take place in Russia, coupled with removing a land-based missile defense near its border.

We also have this NIE from ’07, but from what I’ve read, the “conclusion” was based on a guess and it clearly said so in the estimate. I think this administration chose to read it the way they did, and is now having to read it another way.

All the while, we’re negotiating…what, exactly?

BKeyser on October 4, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Who didn’t already know this? Seriously?
Come on!

bridgetown on October 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM

The left needs it shoved so far up their arses that they can read it from the inside out.

CWforFreedom on October 4, 2009 at 6:58 PM

The sweet smell of uranium

blatantblue on October 4, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Meanwhile

IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi flew secretly to France on Sunday for meetings with Chairman of the United States Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen and French Chief of the Defense Staff Gen. Jean-Louis Georgelin.

Cuffy Meigs on October 4, 2009 at 6:59 PM

All the while, we’re negotiating…what, exactly?

BKeyser on October 4, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Our peace, our safety, our security — AWAY!

rebuzz on October 4, 2009 at 6:59 PM

“bomb” is such a judgmental word. It’s not a bomb-bomb, think of it as a nuclear warm and fuzzy device.

rbj on October 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM

I Pray for the strength of Israel. This is all so freakin’ pathetic.
I am so SORRY Israel that we elected Obama.

bridgetown on October 4, 2009 at 7:01 PM

If that was true one would have been used by now

Quit with the silly chit.

CWforFreedom on October 4, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Incorrect. It is in fact rather easy to build a ‘gun’ type device. The problem comes in having enough highly enriched Uranium to make it work. They very well could have built mock gun type devices, but as of now they don’t have enough Uranium to make a working device.

Implosion devices are far more sophisticated than the simpler and more reliable “bullet” type device. If they are near to making an implosion device they already have the “bullet” type weapon.

Guardian on October 4, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Like I said, they may have a mock device, but from the intelligence I’ve seen, they don’t have enough Uranium for any kind of bomb yet. But I agree, if they have the expertise to make an implosion device, that is rather disturbing.

Jeff M (Formerly Jeff_McAwesome) on October 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM

This world is headed straight into a brick wall, and most of the people and almost all of the political class are stepping on the accelerator. Anyone with a brain has seen this coming for YEARS AND YEARS, but it is the morons in control.

progressoverpeace on October 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM

My guess is if we had not invaded Iraq in 2003, the sanctions and no fly zone policy would have lost steam and we would have been forced to relax or end them.

Then, we would have Iraq and Iran pursuing nukes with absolutely no good options to stop them.

Iran was always the #1 target in my opinion, we were on the right path and with a 5-10 year strategy to take them out, but we got bogged down in Iraq for too long and let the Libs take over the debate and convince enough people that we had to stop and pull back.

There are only 2 options that I can see. We either allow Iran to have nukes, or we go in and have another full scale war to take out their nuke and conventional abilities.

Either option will be horrible, but we need to make the decision quickly while there is still time. I hope our President can stop flying around and going out to dinner and attend to this most sobering decision he will have to make.

tatersalad on October 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM

. I hope our President can stop flying around and going out to dinner and attend to this most sobering decision he will have to make.

tatersalad on October 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM

HOPE and change we can believe in.
Yes, this is sobering. Can people on the left be sobered??? I’m not so sure and that is terrifying.

bridgetown on October 4, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Iran was always the #1 target in my opinion, we were on the right path and with a 5-10 year strategy to take them out, but we got bogged down in Iraq for too long and let the Libs take over the debate and convince enough people that we had to stop and pull back.

tatersalad on October 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM

We didn’t get bogged down in Iraq. Bush let the left paralyze him. There were ample opportunities to attack Iran, as retaliation for what they were doing in Iraq, but Bush was too scared and stupid to do it. The time the Iranians snatched those Brits in the gulf was a big invitation to take Iran apart. We chose to do nothing, like a bunch of total fools. When the traitor-in-chief was elected, America declared national suicide (as everyone knew that he was on Iran’s side) and that was that.

It’s all up to Israel, now, and they will destroyed for taking out Iran and saving the world. That is the disgusting pit of a world we live in.

progressoverpeace on October 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM

We should have taken Iran out years ago when they held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.

IrishEi on October 4, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Dr. ElBaradei has long been reluctant to adopt a confrontational strategy with Iran, an approach he considers counterproductive

The IAEA’s version of Larry Wilkerson.

They think they should be making policy.

SteveMG on October 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM

“The prospect of such a man obtaining nuclear weapons is worrying. The unspoken question is this: is Mr Ahmadinejad now tempting a clash with the West because he feels safe in the belief of the imminent return of the Hidden Imam? Worse, might he be trying to provoke chaos in the hope of hastening his reappearance?”

Good thing that the Intelligence Agencies of the United States of America are all driven by politics and fear of actually doing their jobs to protect the Citizens of this Country in lieu of prosecution…

… Otherwise, I might begin to start to worry.

Seven Percent Solution on October 4, 2009 at 7:19 PM

so maybe we shouldn’t trust a guy named Mohammed on matters of international nuclear security?

cpr on October 4, 2009 at 7:20 PM

so maybe we shouldn’t trust a guy named Mohammed on matters of international nuclear security?

cpr on October 4, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Or Hussein.

progressoverpeace on October 4, 2009 at 7:22 PM

We didn’t get bogged down in Iraq. Bush let the left paralyze him. There were ample opportunities to attack Iran, as retaliation for what they were doing in Iraq, but Bush was too scared and stupid to do it. The time the Iranians snatched those Brits in the gulf was a big invitation to take Iran apart. We chose to do nothing, like a bunch of total fools. When the traitor-in-chief was elected, America declared national suicide (as everyone knew that he was on Iran’s side) and that was that.

It’s all up to Israel, now, and they will destroyed for taking out Iran and saving the world. That is the disgusting pit of a world we live in.

progressoverpeace on October 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Bush could not just ‘attack’ Iran back then. It was not a good option to just attack with an occupying force in Iraq with an unstable insurgency to deal with. If Iran decided to fight, we could not have dealt with both at the same time. The plan was to overthrow Saddam which we did with speed and precision, then install an Iraqi gov’t who could then control a most welcome population, then we could pivot and go after Iran. Iran knew this was the plan, so they were mostly responsible for arming, training and supporting the insurgency in Iraq to slow us down and stop us from continuing the march.

You can say a lot of things about Bush, but I would never call him ‘scared’. The man had courage our current President only dreams about having.

tatersalad on October 4, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Who didn’t already know this? Seriously?
Come on!

bridgetown on October 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM

I agree. I knew it and I’m just some old woman in Iowa!

IowaWoman on October 4, 2009 at 7:24 PM

The report was interpreted as Iran stopping their efforts in 2003 because Bush didn’t want to fight Iran and Iraq at the same time. Now it’s incorrect interpretation serves a different purpose.

Time for a flush.

Spiritk9 on October 4, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Look at the “up” side of this–when Israel finally bombs Iran, all hell will break out and our oil supplies will dry up. The dems will have to start drilling here–there will be no choice. Plus, when everyone is lined up at the gas stations, and gas prices are sky-high–we can also blame the dems–two for the price of one…Is it time to stock up on survival gear yet?

lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 7:28 PM

You can say a lot of things about Bush, but I would never call him ’scared’. The man had courage our current President only dreams about having.

tatersalad on October 4, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Bush held the line on Iraq and Gitmo – thank G-d – but he was cowed by the left into nonaction on everything else. And we certainly could have taken out Iran while we were fighting in Iraq. We were already fighting against Iran with much of what was going on with the SHiite militias in Iraq. Bush’s 2nd term was a sharp veering to the left.

The major difference is that, under Bush, Israel could have attacked Iran and known that the US would stand behind them (both during the operation and after). With the Traitor-in-Chief in charge, that has all changed. The US is now an enemy of Israel and is licking its lips at the prospect of pouncing on Israel after an attack on Iran.

Get ready to hit the brick wall, because it’s coming.

progressoverpeace on October 4, 2009 at 7:28 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/02/AR2009100204020.html

FTA: ‘”If by early next year we are getting nothing through diplomacy and sanctions,” says scholar Kenneth Pollack of the Brookings Institution’s Saban Center, “the entire policy is going to be revealed as a charade.”

A charade an expert says Pinnochio pulls off a charade wilst goin on parade!

How bad does it have to get before we rid ourselves of the pest?

dhunter on October 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I agree. I knew it and I’m just some old woman in Iowa!

IowaWoman on October 4, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Hey–I’m an old woman in Iowa too!

lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Lets see,where to begin,oh ya,ImWearingADinnerJacketNutJob,
that would be Irans President,Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stalled
and bought time,there was his grand speech at the Columbia
University,and his grand speech at the UN back in 2007 where
Iran’s Muslim faithful saw “lights” when delivering speech at the United Nations.
————————————————————
PRESIDENT SEES LIGHT SURROUNDING HIM

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2005/november-2005/ahmadi_revelations_291105.shtml
————————————————————

So,Nutjob has stalled and bought time,is ready to assembly line mass-production of nuclear warheads,has built a bunker
deep under a mountain,expects the 12th Iman or whats his
name to crawl out of the well,and allow Persia,after thous
ands of years of waiting, make their third attempt at taking
the world over once again!!

And,Team Obama is busy being DISTRACTED by their own hand!

Its the Clinton Circus all over again,

DeJavu all over again!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 4, 2009 at 7:30 PM

When are you Americans going to wake up?

9/11 wasn’t enough?

You fell asleep again and elected a weak President.

I fear something much worse than 9/11. Even after that you’ll go back to sleep again after a few years.

So frustrating.

Crux Australis on October 4, 2009 at 7:34 PM

We should have taken Iran out years ago when they held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.

IrishEi on October 4, 2009 at 7:17 PM

IrishEi: Act of War comes to mind!!:)

canopfor on October 4, 2009 at 7:35 PM

“Due to extreme and illegal pressure from the terrible United States and those Zionist fools, we’ve been forced to defend ourselves, rather than build nuclear power plants. We now have several dozen nuclear warheads and won’t hesitate to use them at the first sign of an attack. We will wipe Israel and the United States off the map.”

(Just trying to stay ahead of the Iranian speech writers)

Hey, Obama, whazzzup, ma’ man? You up for some hoops? Nothin’ else goin’ on, right?

GoldenEagle4444 on October 4, 2009 at 7:35 PM

1. Bush caved to the left. It started at Faluja. There should be no Faluja, al sadr et al.

2. Obama caves to the left holding the doors open for retaliation cells being setup in the US, even subsidising visas for our enemies to come ‘study’, and destroying US security apparatus.

I hope we can survive this administration, it will take years to recover.

Reality Check on October 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM

And,IS the Missile Shield Priority One,

Or,is Team Obama’s Social Engineering and constant camapigning,to get ever more Liberal VoterBots the
key to National Security,jus sayin!!!!!!!!!!!

F-22 Raptor as well has down been kicked to the curb,
or is it under da bus,so many cuts,its hard to keep
track!!!!!!

canopfor on October 4, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I agree. I knew it and I’m just some old woman in Iowa!

IowaWoman on October 4, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Hey–I’m an old woman in Iowa too!

lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Hey I’m a guy in IA on the IA SD NE border

dhunter on October 4, 2009 at 7:55 PM

No silly. Iran is enriching uranium for their new nuclear powred cars.

royzer on October 4, 2009 at 7:56 PM

powered

royzer on October 4, 2009 at 7:57 PM

So frustrating.

Crux Australis on October 4, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Join the club. How do you think those of us who are actually awake feel?

Oldnuke on October 4, 2009 at 7:57 PM

They know how to build a bomb, and their missile capability has improved a lot. Gosh, should be a fun 2010, eh?

hawksruleva on October 4, 2009 at 8:09 PM

No silly. Iran is enriching uranium for their new nuclear powred cars.

royzer on October 4, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Crazily, I could almost believe that a nation that has to import most of their gasoline could be trying to develop a nuclear energy program. But the last I checked, nuclear power pants don’t require 2-stage solid-fuel missiles.

hawksruleva on October 4, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Waiting to see if the specter of Iranian WMD holds more water for the Socialist PTB/MSM than Iraqi WMD.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 4, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Hey I’m a guy in IA on the IA SD NE border

dhunter on October 4, 2009 at 7:55 PM

ted c and milwife88 are also from Iowa! I’m in Des Moines. Wasn’t today a beautiful Iowa fall day?!!!

lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 8:58 PM

We all knew that NIE report was a treasonous report when it was issued.

It’s our fault as a collective public for allowing the sham to stand.

scotash on October 4, 2009 at 9:08 PM

“I don’t mean to be alarmist, but…”

Concerns Over Iranian Nuclear EMP Threat
EMP, an intense burst of energy from an exploding nuclear warhead high above the Earth. Experts believe such an attack could destroy all electronic devices over a massive area, from cell phones to computers to America’s electrical grid.

Within a year of that attack nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can’t support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity, said Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy. That would be a world without America, as a practical matter. And that is exactly what I believe the Iranians are working towards.
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/tag/electro-magnetic-pulse/

EMP Attack Would Send America into a Dark Ages
In a matter of seconds, an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack or a geomagnetic storm would set America back to the 14th century,

Security experts warn that even one nuclear device in the hands of a rogue nation could be used against the United States in a devastating electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack…If a nuclear device designed to emit EMP were exploded 250 to 300 miles up over the middle of the country, it would disable the electronics in the entire United States,” says Nordling, president and CEO of Minneapolis-based Emprimus. “That would disable the entire electric grid. It would disable communications, it would disable fuel manufacturing and production, it would disable hospitals and medicines, it would disable 911 call centers
Everything else would be shut down
, Nordling says.

“Water treatment facilities, food storage facilities, everything would be gone,” Nordling says. “Financial records would be wiped out. Your investments would be gone. Your medical records and prescriptions would be zapped.”

Forget about your computer and the Internet, heating and air conditioning, supermarkets, telephones, and radio and television. Banks and ATMs would shut down, credit cards would become useless, and hospital operating rooms would close.

While vehicles made before 1970 might still work, they would be useless. That’s because gasoline could not be obtained, and newer cars and trucks, disabled by the pulse, would block the roads and highways. In most cases, the damage to chips would be permanent. Because tow trucks would not operate, cars would never be cleared from roads.
The vast majority of Americans would die from starvation or disease or would freeze to death, according to William Graham, who was chairman of the bipartisan congressional Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack. Yet at a hearing of the House Committee on Homeland Security on July 21, Graham testified that the government has done virtually nothing to address the effects of such an attack on the civil sector.

“People say it would bring us back to the 1800s, but it’s worse than that because in the 1800s there was a much larger sector that did farming and produced food, and there weren’t so many people living in inner core cities,” Nordling says. “All that has changed.”

lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM

The Iranian nuclear bombs will only be used for disinfecting things.

Just like Zyklon-B was.

Obama has the historical sense of a blind cave fish.

profitsbeard on October 4, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday that “Israel is number one threat to Middle East” with its nuclear arms, the official IRNA news agency reported.
This is what you get with a muslim, no surprise here. He is gone at the end of the year so NOW he says how he really feels.

royzer on October 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM

lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Yes it surely was!
From another thread I was given this little gem:

http://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/cicero.htm

it is extremely long and extremely relevent, seems our struggle has been going on for decades and is one only Gods’ will, will win!

dhunter on October 4, 2009 at 10:00 PM

profitsbeard on October 4, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Think about the writers you admire. Do you admire them for their heavy sarcasm, and the heavier the better? Consider Allahpundit: Do you think he would consider himself clever for saying anything so leaden? Would you consider him clever, or wouldn’t you detect that something was wrong with him?

Kralizec on October 4, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Of course Iran knows how to build an A-bomb. Simple schematics are available on the internet. What they are working on is being able to put one on a missile and have it detonate 600 meters above the target. It does them no good to drive to the Israeli border in a truck and set one off. It would do moderate damage, but the Israeli response would NOT be proportional.

GnuBreed on October 4, 2009 at 10:19 PM

dhunter on October 4, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Excellent! The last paragraph made me shudder…
“But perhaps all this is in keeping with natural law. The children of Hamlin followed the Pied Piper to ruin, the people of Germany and Italy followed Hitler and Mussolini, the lemmings of Norway rush to the sea to drown, and the grunions of the West Coast rush from the sea to flop on the beach and die. The Roman Republic was destroyed when the urban leaders pampered its populace with free handouts…Perhaps Benjamin Franklin knew what he was talking about when he told the young nation, after it had adopted its Constitution, in substance, that they had gained a free and independent nation but did not have the common sense to keep it.”

lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I’m reminded of the Civil War battle of Iuka, Mississippi. Gen. Grant was supposed to attack the north side of the town as soon as the guns of Gen. Rosecrans’s army were heard attacking from the south. As it turned out, Rosecrans managed to barely win the battle without the slightest help from Grant. Why? Grant received an erroneous telegram saying that Lee’s army had been destroyed at Antietam and that the Confederate commander and his generals were prisoners. Grant apparently figured that the war was over and sent a copy of the telegram to the Confederate defender of Iuka, Gen. Van Dorn, saying no need for futher bloodshed was necessary and that he should surrender. Van Dorn figured that he had six hours to reply, which gave him plenty of time to turn his forces on Rosecrans, and then when night fell, to get out of Iuka. Grant and his staff apparently thought the war being over was a good excuse to party, and they never did get into the action. Later, they claimed they never heard the sound of the battle on the south side of town. In the modern case, we keep giving Iran time to talk, to consider, to see the light, while they take advantage of the delay to build their nukes and defeat us and our sanctions. This has been going on for years, yet we never learn. Nothing is as important to Tehran as regime security and nothing says security like a nuclear capability.

NNtrancer on October 5, 2009 at 12:15 AM

NNtrancer on October 5, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Man I love HotAir. This is good stuff NN.

GnuBreed on October 5, 2009 at 12:48 AM

This country has got to stop talking about “if” Iran gets nukes and prepare for “when.” I hate to admit it, but I think it’s a done deal.

Every day another little leak comes out saying they’re closer and closer and I think the day is rapidly approaching when the leak will be a mushroom cloud over some “test” place in the Middle East followed by air raid sirens over Tel Aviv.

The half-assed efforts of the European Union to “stop” Iran combined with Russia, North Korea and China’s complicity have pretty much guaranteed that the single most unstable, dangerous regime in the area will wind up a nuclear power.

Joe Biden knew this day was coming. It’s the ONLY time I’ve ever agreed with him. The sad part is, he and his president have doomed the world to a future held hostage by Iran and dozens of tin pot dictators like them.

How we protect this country should be the concern now. Because Iran would like nothing more than to hand a dangerous little suitcase to Al Qaeda.

Mad Mad Monica on October 5, 2009 at 4:29 AM

This country has got to stop talking about “if” Iran gets nukes and prepare for “when.” I hate to admit it, but I think it’s a done deal.
Mad Mad Monica on October 5, 2009 at 4:29 AM

<<>>
Well said MMM…
Sad to say that even here on H.A. it seems to be more important to bitch about what side of the tracks we stand on than really looking at where things stand. I knew there was a problem when this thread was not even started until 24 hours after it broke. (Some time late Sat. afternoon) My post will make the 72nd of the thread, but hey put a Palin thread about her yet released book and you get 720 posts. 1621 posts to celebrate Oimafailure’s trip to visit with the Olympic committee. When my son lands in Afghanistan one day in the next couple of weeks, I seriously doubt he will care if Oicantdobasicmath’s trip failed. He will care if some time in the next year his face melts off. I seriously doubt his wife and 4 year old daughter will care either.
Soon without the support of any world power backing them, Israel will be forced to begin bombing the 2 known sites in Iran. They will also bomb any area in Iran they see as a future threat, there are reports of two others. On that day the gloves will be off and everyone will know what country backs what country.
We know right now that OmgIsaidI400timesinthatspeech will once again fail to take care of our interests, America’s interests. He will either stand with the glazed eyes of a 5 year old or the grin of a man who just accomplished what he set out to do from the beginning, destroy America. All the while the ussr, russia for those who are politically correct, will be shipping them everything they need to pass nukes to every taliban like group in the Middle East. You’ll be able to see the glow 3 or 4 galaxies away. Meanwhile here in the good ol’ USA we will continue the argument of who has bigger balls or ovaries, republicans or democrats.
That is how dumbed down we have become, the politicians have been throwing a rubber ball against the door and watching us chase it across a well waxed floor and bang our heads, over and over. Not just one party, but all the parties have done this to us. Like Pavlov’s dogs, they ring the bell and we salivate as if they will begin to feed us the truth. The have known for years that Iran was working on all these nuke projects and all the leaked “secret reports” confirm it.
Quit bitching and whining people, quit saying we told you so and get on Washington’s back to take immediate action against Iran NOW. You think we don’t make a difference? How many times have the TV news people used H.A. quotes lately? They are listening, we’re just too busy fighting about balls and ovaries.

brianpierre on October 5, 2009 at 5:35 AM

Sending uranium to Russia is a step BACKWARDS. If Iran buys reactor grade enriched uranium from Russia, Iran can devote all their enrichment resorces (electricity, centrifuges and engineering) to the higher levels of enrichmnent. This will INCREASE Iran’s throughput of highly enriched uaranium.

burt on October 5, 2009 at 5:40 AM

Russia is the one who’s teaching people like North Korea and Iran and soon to be Chavez. Timing is everything people. geeze.

johnnyU on October 5, 2009 at 6:49 AM

Is there really anyone out there who still thinks Iran will not have a bomb? They are working hard at that now and with Obama in office for more then another three years, it is pretty much a given now that the world will have to deal with an atomic Iran; unless Israel fixes that problem.

MikeA on October 5, 2009 at 8:32 AM

The report’s existence has been rumored for months

And the IAEA has said the “secret report” is BS:

Time and again unidentified sources feed the media and Member States with misinformation or misinterpretation

Time and again the American public believes whatever crude propaganda that is fed to them.

Whatever information you need to build a bomb you can yet at the library. Or maybe they got it here.

dave742 on October 5, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Trinity was over half a century ago. It was accomplished with slide-rules and chalkboards and a helluva lot of people and money. How hard could it be for a rogue nation to duplicate this accomplishment when it has access to PCs and American degrees?

How are we going to surgically eliminate the nuclear sites? We can get a lot of them, but, if they’ve been playing us all this time, they might already have it together and some weapons built. These things can be hidden. We’ve passed the point of being able to physically eliminate the nuke program.

On the other hand, the oil fields of Iran, their oil tanks, pipelines, pumping stations, etc, cannot be hidden.

Let’s blow them up.

It’ll shine the light of truth on the middle east:

1. It’ll show who needs the oil more – those buying it or those selling it.

2. It’ll show all the OPEC nations that their oil is not a shield against civilized justice.

3. It’ll defund the nuke program and all military efforts – the tip of the spear may do the damage, but it’s the shaft that gets it to the target.

4. It’ll give us a new reason to drill. (Which is why the Dems won’t do it.)

5. It’ll frustrate the hell out of the terrorists because Iran won’t be able to rebuild without our permission – they can keep building it, we can keep destroying it and we’ll see who gets tired first.

When you go to war, you don’t fight it as you find it, you shape the battlefield to your advantage.

Cricket624 on October 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Cricket624 on October 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Damn straight!!!!

lovingmyUSA on October 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Welcome to the world of “WELL DUH”!
 
And “What were you thinking?”
 
Oh btw: “Here’s your sign.”

Blacksmith8 on October 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM

When you go to war, you don’t fight it as you find it, you shape the battlefield to your advantage.

Cricket624 on October 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

emphasis mine

Blacksmith8 on October 5, 2009 at 11:29 AM

We should have taken Iran out years ago when they held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.

IrishEi on October 4, 2009 at 7:17 PM

IrishEi: Act of War comes to mind!!:)

canopfor on October 4, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Quick quiz: What little man filled with hate was a kidnapper, torturer, negotiater during the prelude to the “Jimmy Carter Desert Classic”?
 
hint:rhymes with dinnerjacket [heb:sabourjian]

Blacksmith8 on October 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I looked mote into this story, and its origins are not unexpected. This story is a baseless accusation that was made by Israel 6 weeks ago, and has been recycled in the media ever since. It’s still making headlines. First, let’s be clear what the story is about. The NYT article linked to in this thread says:

“The report’s existence has been rumored for months, and The Associated Press, saying it had seen a copy, reported fragments of it in September.”

Here is the AP article that the NYT is talking about, which is from September 17:

google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j9EVzzCsT-QwKFtWDzgF6ZLue6BgD9APALJ03

In the AP report from that date, it says:

“The document, titled ‘Possible Military Dimension of Iran’s Nuclear Program,’ appeared to be the so-called IAEA ‘secret annex’ on Iran’s alleged nuclear arms program that the U.S., France, Israel and other IAEA members say is being withheld by agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei — claims the nuclear watchdog denies.”

The NYT article also mentions the report as being titled “Possible Military Dimensions of Iran’s Nuclear Program.” This is the report that is being talked about in this thread, and it exists is some “secret annex” that was supposedly withheld from the IAEA report that was released on August 28:

iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2009/gov2009-55.pdf

The first time this “secret annex” of the report was mentioned in the press was in a Haaretz article sometime before August 20, which is when this article in the Australian News was written which talks about the Haaretz article:

“Citing ‘senior Western diplomats and Israeli officials’, the paper said the evidence had been submitted to the IAEA in a secret annex written by its inspectors in Iran and signed by the head of the IAEA team in Tehran.”

theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25953429-2703,00.html

The article cited the source as “senior Western diplomats and Israeli officials.” Isn’t it always the case. Considering that the claim first appeared in Haaretz, I will guess that the origin of this BS “secret annex” story was from “Israeli officials.” So Haaretz accuses the IAEA of withholding information from the report sometime before Aug. 20, even though the report did not come out until Aug. 28. Can’t Israel even wait until the report comes out before whining about some “secret annex” that did not appear! How did they know it was not going to be in the report? Perhaps because they knew it did not exist?

Of course, 2 days after the report actually did come out, the Jerusalem Post was right there to accuse the IAEA all over again:

jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1251145146688&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

A few days later France joined in with the baseless accusations:

“’Why doesn’t he provide us with the annexes of his report?’ Kouchner asked”

khaleejtimes.com/displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/international/2009/September/international_September148.xml&section=international&col

At this point you should be able to understand where this story came from. It is a baseless accusation made by Israel 6 weeks ago that keeps getting recycled in the MSM. Here is another article by the AFP. First, just to make absolutely sure we are talking about the same event:

“Last week, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner asked publicly why ElBaradei refuses to provide the annexes of his latest report on Iran… The accusations were made first by Israel and more recently by France.”

ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090907/world/iaea_nuclear_politics_iran_syria?printer=1

Yes, this is the same event. So what is the IAEA response to the accusations?:

“UN atomic watchdog chief Mohamed ElBaradei on Monday dismissed allegations he withheld key evidence on Iran’s alleged weaponisation studies as ‘politically motivated and totally baseless…I am dismayed by the allegations of some member states, which have been fed to the media, that information has been withheld from the board’”

This entire story was fabricated by Israel, and has been recycled in the MSM for 6 weeks now. This is your “big story.” From the AFP article:

“A number of diplomats close to the IAEA are sceptical whether such an annex really exists.”

Here is another thing that was said by Baradei:

“These allegations are politically motivated and totally baseless. Such attempts to influence the work of the secretariat and undermine its independence and objectivity are in violation … of the IAEA statute and should cease forthwith”

This article, then, IS about a violation of the IAEA statute, but not by Iran.

dave742 on October 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM

The original Ha’aretz article that this whole BS story stems from is not online. For posterity, here it is from Lexis. What a joke:

IAEA CONCEALS INFORMATION ABOUT IRAN’S MILITARY PROGRAM – HAARETS
LENGTH: 255 words

JERUSALEM. Aug 19 (Interfax) – The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is concealing information about a secret Iranian nuclear weapons program, Israel’s Haarets newspaper reported on Wednesday quoting high-ranking Western diplomats and Israeli officials.

According to the sources of the newspaper, the agency under the leadership of Director General Mohamed ElBaradei has refrained from publishing evidence collected by the agency’s inspectors in the past few months that Iran has shown interest in information about the military nuclear program.

Even though ElBaradei says that such evidence was stated in an additional secret report compiled by the agency’s inspectors and signed by the head of the IAEA mission to Iran. [Complete lie: as I showed above, Baradei completely denied the existence of any "secret report"]

The supplement was not published together with other reports of the agency and some of its details were removed by high-ranking IAEA officers at the organization’s headquarters in Vienna.

U.S, French, British and German representatives’ recently exerted pressure on ElBaradei for the information to be published in the report that will be submitted to the agency’s conference on September 14.

We expect that the details will appear in the new report and will be published, Haarets quotes a high-ranking Western diplomat as saying.

Israeli officials also hope that the successor of ElBaradei
who is stepping down on December 1 Yukiya Amano will adopt a tougher line with regard to Iran.

dave742 on October 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

ElBaradei has been aiding Iran for years now. The US tried to get rid of him when W was in office but to no avail.

NNtrancer on October 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM

1. Bush caved to the left. It started at Faluja. There should be no Faluja, al sadr et al.

How al sadr is still walking around is beyond me. He should have been taken out immediately after he began causing trouble.

xblade on October 5, 2009 at 6:07 PM