NFL week 4 open thread
posted at 10:00 am on October 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
I’m leaving the nation’s capital as the NFL kicks off its slate of games for its fourth week, which is probably a good idea, considering how well the Redskins have played so far this year. After last week’s loss to the Lions, a loss that ended a 19-game losing streak for Detroit, the mood here is a mix between fatalistic acceptance of another lost season to anger over incompetence, amateurism, and bungling. However, since that’s how most of the rest of us feel about Washington DC during the week, I don’t think ‘Skins fans are going to get a lot of sympathy.
Looking back over the last three weeks, I’m doing pretty good on my picks. I’m 16-3, but unfortunately two of those three losses came from the Pittsburgh Steelers. They lost last week in their division and are now looking at the backs of the Bengals and and the Baltimore Ravens, both of whom have gotten off to a better start than I thought they would. The Steelers play the San Diego Chargers in the night game at home tonight, and they have to go without Willie Parker and Troy Polamalu. I’m still going to pick Pittsburgh, who always seems to do well in night games at home. It should be close, though, perhaps 28-24.
Other notable games:
- Green Bay at Minnesota – This is a Monday Night game, which means we all get to see what happens when Brett Favre meets his old team for the first time ever as the opposing quarterback. Should be a great game, full of drama, but the unbeaten Vikings should win it, 31-21.
- Baltimore at New England – A better-than-expected Ravens team faces a weaker-than-expected Patriots squad. I’m picking the Patriots to win this one at home, though, as Tom Brady settles down and their defense picks it up against Joe Flacco. It won’t be a shootout but the Pats should eke out a 17-14 win.
- Tampa Bay at Washington – Call this the Futility Bowl. I think the Redskins win in a game no one watches, 21-14.
- Tennessee at Jacksonville – The Titans are a better team than 0-3, but I’m not sure Jacksonville is better than 1-2. I think Tennessee gets off the schneid here with a 24-10 win.
- NY Jets at New Orleans – Mark Sanchez has proven himself in three straight games as a rookie who can handle the NFL. Can the Jets defense stop the Saints, though? One of these teams has to lose its first game today, and it won’t be the Saints at home. New Orleans’ offense will overwhelm the Jets, 31-24, but expect Sanchez to continue to shine.
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bears will destroy detroit, and the vikes will take a beating.
jbh45 on October 4, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Counting on the Hawks to take flight and soar over the colts this day…..Go Hawks!!!
hawkman on October 4, 2009 at 10:02 AM
If the Redskins lose today, will Snyder fire Zorn?
Yossarian on October 4, 2009 at 10:03 AM
The hapless Lions, the perfect symbol for Detroit.
ray on October 4, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Hopefully!
Speaking of hopefully, I hope Mike Tomlin reinforced the idea that there are two halves to a football game.
Scott P on October 4, 2009 at 10:04 AM
cant wait for tonight!!!!
blatantblue on October 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Can’t wait for tomorrow night!
BadgerHawk on October 4, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Of course I’d love to see Gang Green go 4-0…especially over the ‘aints at home…but it could go either way. The Titans fell apart last week, and they were hungry for that win. Today, I think it’s going to be the Jets D that stops N.O.
Jets win: 17-14
JetBoy on October 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM
me too!!
blatantblue on October 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Can’t wait for Jets v. Saints –
#1 defense meets explosive offense w/ improved defense and revived running game to give Brees more options.
Definite BBQ time!
:-D
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM
The Saints are doing great so far this year, I wonder how much longer they can keep it up. Do not get me wrong, I was raised a Saints fan, wore the paper bag over my head. I would just be happy if we make it to the playoffs!
Teleycoman on October 4, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Yeah, ‘Skins over TB…and here’s hoping the Cheatriots lose to B’more.
JetBoy on October 4, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Not supposing that you’re superstitious or anything, but the only time the Steelers won was when you forgot to put up the score widget.
Ronnie on October 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Ed, Are you ready for the Vikes to go Favre-0!
artist on October 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Unfortunately, I think Jets/Saints will come down to whether Payton makes one of his patented coaching mistakes that have hurt N.O. ever since ’06. Payton has an awful habit of going for fourth downs way too deep in his own territory, and then also trying to repetitively drive it up the middle in these situations when it’s obviously not working.
My call is that it’s time, once again, as it is every Payton-coached season, that a call or NON-call by Payton in a key 4th-down situation will be the decider.
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:16 AM
I’ve been a loyal, die-hard Redskins fan for decades. This is the first year where I can honestly say that I can’t predict anything they do and should really expect the worst. After the Giants game, the Redskins have played a rogues gallery of 0-fers: the Rams, the Lions, now the Bucs, the Panthers next week (who will be still winless because they’ve got a bye this week), and the Chiefs (who are winless now and look like they may lose their next two games). Despite this creampuff schedule, they could’ve been winless too, and might be in the running to lose all of those games before getting into the meat of their schedule.
No, I don’t think Zorn will get fired if he loses to Tampa Bay. He’s got too many hats on for that to happen right now. But then again, this is the Redskins.
ieplaya on October 4, 2009 at 10:17 AM
But forgetting Chelsea v. Liverpool! Huge – with Man U settling for a draw yesterday. Chelsea can take sole possession of first place.
ManUFan on October 4, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Teleycoman,
I hope I’m wrong – but Payton has consistently lost the Saints 2 games/year with the same sort of obvious coaching error I described. This smells like the week for it – though I do hope I’m wrong!
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Normally I would say a Jets win is possible, as they have looked great so far, but the game is in the Superdome, so it will be to the Saints’ advantage.
Just wish I could see the game-here in New England, the tv programming geniuses, instead of giving us a 4 PM game bwtween 2 3-0 teams, is giving us the much more important Dallas-Denver game. “America’s team”, y’know?
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Look for Green Bay to beat the Vikings. Detroit had the correct game plan-hot Favre early and often, use an OLB as a spy on Peterson, and make the rest of the team beat you. Schwartz didn’t have the talent to close the deal.
Samauri Mike and his 49′ers were paying attention and came at the Vikings with essentially the same game plan, lots of run blitz’s well disguised. Oh, so close.
This one will get brutal if McCarthy payed attention. The Packer secondary is tough, can roll up the corners and make it work with single coverage on the WR’s.
23-10 Packers.
With Desmond Clark back to block for runs, Forte should finally get the Bear running game back on track, and the Bears will give the rest of the division pause for thought when they cruise past Detroit. If you have Cutler on your FF team, this is the week to have him starting.
MarkT on October 4, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Yeah, I’ll agree that it could go either way…in any event, it should be a really close game. Heh, technically, I’m in New England as well, but it’s that Southwest corner of Conn., so we always get the NYC games.
JetBoy on October 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Del,
Yeah, I hate when the programming geniuses do that. You’d think that they’d have people working for them who had enough of the feel for the NFL that in the first couple days of the week they could decide where to send the crew! Guess it probably boils down to non-portability of local advertising revenue or something. I do remember when the word “TV time-out” used to drive me bonkers as a sacrilegious intrusion upon the purity of the game. Oh, the innocence and idealism of youth…..
Re: the Saints, I will tell you, as Teleycoman would know, that when the Saints win, Cajuns holler “Who Dat” out car windows all day – hollering at other drivers, people on front lawns, etc. until they “Who-Dat” back. Great custom – every team should have one like it!! Makes everyone smile
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:33 AM
JetBoy,
Here’s to a good game, mate
{toast}
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Let’s see, I say
Steel curtain continues to rust 28 to 14
Cheese heads at Minn. While I wish for a GB victory Minn will win on a high from last week still ongoing by a touch.
Blackbirds vs Cheaters. Blackbirds by 3
Tampa Bay vs the Red asses. TB by 14
Former Oilers vs the Jags. I think the Titans by 7
Jets vs the Ain’ts, sorry Jetboy your boys are going down by 20.
And the most important game of the week, which Morrissey won’t mention cuz he’s a hater.
Cowboys at Mile high, the boys in a squeaker by one.
conservnut on October 4, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Re: Favre, I just hope that he doesn’t end up like Joe Montana with the Chiefs – great when he wasn’t injured – but injured more and more often as the season went on until his backup just couldn’t carry the team. That was sad to watch.
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:36 AM
My DVR is already dialed in for this extravaganza. Go Chelsea. -_*
TXUS on October 4, 2009 at 10:36 AM
conservnut isn’t shy,
LOL
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Cheers, cane!
(gotta wait ’til after mass in a bit to crack open the brewskies :])
JetBoy on October 4, 2009 at 10:37 AM
o_0
No way… :P
JetBoy on October 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Another open thread, another wish to plug my bloggings. Let’s see…
From my politics blog: your latest update on the status of Rifqa Bary.
From my comics blog: I think that Katma Tui, the first female member of the Green Lantern Corps, should be brought back to the land of the living.
And, from my game blog: Three Wonders from Capcom!
Avi Green on October 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Vikings vs. Packers:
One of those emotionally-fraught matchups that happens every so often that makes NFL football the drama of our times. Lots of people going to be happy, lots of people going to be frustrated/sad.
Wonder how many Cheeseheads will be wearing the green/gold number 4?
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Heh, check back this afternoon after I have had a few. Here’s to good games today ladies and germs!
conservnut on October 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM
JetBoy,
So I take it that your diocese hasn’t gotten with the HD big-screen yet. After all, we have become a multi-tasking people ;-)
Cheers back atcha.
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Bread and circuses, people.
Let’s at least enjoy the circuses while we still have bread!
:D
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:44 AM
As much as I always pull for both my Tejas teams, I’m afraid this afternoon the boys are bucked, by 3.
TXUS on October 4, 2009 at 10:44 AM
OK, I’ve spouted off enough.
Enjoy the games, everyone!
cane_loader on October 4, 2009 at 10:45 AM
I hope Ed’s right about the Ravens-Pats game, but I doubt it. Ravens will probably stomp them pretty good.
forest on October 4, 2009 at 10:48 AM
San Francisco to win.
Houston to win.
Those are my pool picks this week. We can pick only one team once.
Mr. Joe on October 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM
As much as it galls me, I don’t see the Packers winning Monday night either. The pass protection and run defense has been atrocious. Aaron Rodgers is the better QB but he’s been running for his life. Adrian Peterson should have a good game against a suspect rushing defense.
packsoldier on October 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Lots of action today, especially for a Fantasy Football fanatic! Fantasy Football changed my focus from individual teams, e.g. I was a Dolphin fanatic for decades, but hated the Steelers, 49′ers, and a long list of others. In my dynasty league, I now have players from the Ravens, Steelers, 49′ers, etc. but not a one from the Dolphins. I just picked up FA Isaac “Red Zone” Redman (apparently Pitt’s fans gave him the “Red Zone” name) who was promoted from the practice squad, and hope he leaves cleat-marks up and down Mendenhall’s back. I have Willie Parker on the bench again…
Karmi on October 4, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Giants may pitch another shutout today. As much as I’d like to see the Jets win, I suspect Sanchez will struggle today facing his first truly hostile crowd. The Saints defense is flying under the radar and I think they’ll get a couple of picks. Brees is deadly against the blitz, but I still think the Jets will bring it early and often. Take the NYJ and the points.
Pittsburgh has been a house of horrors for the Chargers but I think they come up big tonight.
JammieWearingFool on October 4, 2009 at 10:54 AM
San Diego 23, Pittsburg 16. The Chargers have been getting better each week. The Steelers . . . not so much.
dingbat on October 4, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Give it a rest.
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Morrissey is a hater. But the overrated Cowboys will lose to my underrated Broncos. 27-13.
Doug from Clovis on October 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM
go jags
I hate the titans
tlynch001 on October 4, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I’ll be watching women’s basketball instead; much more interesting.
Bishop on October 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Being in upstate NY instead of the city, we are treated to the idiotic Buffalo – Miami game, as if anyone cares, rather than the battle of the two undefeated teams. I’ll go with Jetboy today and still believe that the Jet’s D will hold down N.O. in a low scoring win for the Jets.
In return for Ed picking against my team, I will pick the Steelers to win tonight, virtually assuring another loss for the Steel Curtain as they continue to swirl around the bottom of the bowl in the AFC.
Beyond that, I’ll take Green Bay to knock Favre down a peg or two, Baltimore in a blowout and the Titans pick up their first win, finally.
Jazz Shaw on October 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I could care less about football today – Go Twins!
gophergirl on October 4, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Unfortunately, my baseball season is over. Astros fan :-(
(puts paper bag back on head and sits in corner)
conservnut on October 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Me three……. Go Jets !!
Jerome Horwitz on October 4, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Ours was supposed to be over September 6 when we were 7 games out.
This is an unbelieveable streak – improbable actually. Win or lose this town loves their Twins.
gophergirl on October 4, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Eagles have a bye this week.
Go Phils!
misslizzi on October 4, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Cain,
Do not forget the “Cha-Ching” as well.
All enjoy the day, I will tip a cold one to all the folks here at Hotair, and if all goes well do a happy dance at the end of the Saints game. But now I need to get things ready for a crab boil before the game.
Teleycoman on October 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM
“Look for Green Bay to beat the Vikings. Detroit had the correct game plan-hot Favre early and often, use an OLB as a spy on Peterson, and make the rest of the team beat you. Schwartz didn’t have the talent to close the deal.
This one will get brutal if McCarthy payed attention. The Packer secondary is tough, can roll up the corners and make it work with single coverage on the WR’s.
23-10 Packers.”
MarkT on October 4, 2009 at 10:29 AM
MarkT I agree. One other thing to throw into the air. Brett has trouble with big games. I have watched him his whole career. He comes out to high, makes a big mistake and then attempts to make up for it. That is why his interception to pass completed ratio is so high. Oh by the way-my first name is also Mark.
Grayzel on October 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Be right there!
conservnut on October 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM
You people are unbelieveable. To wit:
…I’ve been a loyal, die-hard Redskins fan for decades. This is the first year where I can honestly say that I can’t predict anything they do and should really expect the worst.
ieplaya on October 4, 2009 at 10:17 AM
What? Predict? Predict? The Redskins, um, when could you predict anything about them, or, for that matter, most any NFL team? Before last season started, Patriots and Cowboys fans were smugly waiting for their squareoff in the SB. Yea, that happended. And the arrogant New England fans loved pouring it all over the Jets and Fins faithful.
P.S. I know that this hurts. But… YOU ARE ROOTING FOR A BUSINESS! When the Steelers start worrying about my future, I will start going wild about the results when they win.
IlikedAUH2O on October 4, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Curse you! Now the pizza I’m planning on ordering shortly is seeming a lot less appetizing.
*sigh*
Jazz Shaw on October 4, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Hope and Change
I hope the Steelers wait some time before the next SB victory so we can see them worship The One when the Lomabardi is presented and help with his next election. That was soooo fine last time.
Hope the Skins change coaches and fire that Republican Scumbag Zorn.
IlikedAUH2O on October 4, 2009 at 11:55 AM
That’s why we always owned him at Texas Stadium. Get a sack and an interception on him and he is done. He will throw 4 more picks in that game. He played 9 games in his career at the place with the hole in the roof. Lost every one.
conservnut on October 4, 2009 at 11:56 AM
My guess is the Redskins will continue to play possum until mid-season … luring their opponents into a false sense of security, then devastate everyone and take the Superbowl.
darwin on October 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM
My Colts are really banged up but the have Peyton and that’s too much for the Seahags!!!!!
Go Colts
ohiorebel on October 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Man, that’s one thing I really miss about having gone to college at Maryland…getting a bushel or two of steamed crabs, tossed in Old Bay seasoning…and a mini-keg of Heineken. *drools*
JetBoy on October 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
My NY GIANTS have their third road game at KC. :-)
The question is will they get another shutout and who else will get injured??
Hopefully, by 7:30pm, I’ll be riding a “Mile High” as the Broncos beat the Cowgirls.
ny59giants on October 4, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Heh, damn they’re good.
conservnut on October 4, 2009 at 12:24 PM
If you ‘could’ care less about something, it means you care about it. Don’t mean to be a grammar jerk, but I see people make that mistake all the time.
BadgerHawk on October 4, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Sorry Ed, Chargers are going to dominate 28-14. (Assuming we aren’t sabotaged by Norv Turner again)
SDnocoen on October 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM
GO CHARGERS!!!!
FontanaConservative on October 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Tampa Bay over Washington (Skins lost to the Lions for Pete’s sake!) 24-17
Baltimore over New England 27-17
NYG over KC 21-10
Tennessee over Jacksonville 21-14
Indy over Seattle 31-14
Chicago over the D 24-17
New Orleans over Jets 28-21
Buffalo over Miami 21-10
San Fran over St. Louis 24-17
Dallas over Denver 27-14
Pitt over San Diego 24-21
Minn over GB 21-20
theblogprof on October 4, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Futility Bowl. Heh.
Mojave Mark on October 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Go Cowboys!
anuts on October 4, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Giants start out making a statement to KC. Nothing like losing the coin toss but then taking the ball away from KC on the kickoff like candy from a baby. Giants ball inside the KC 20 for the first offensive play.
Jazz Shaw on October 4, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Dan Snyder, the Redskins owner has spent $548,000,000 developing a micro-nuke. The tiny nuclear device will be employed sometime today vaporizing the Tampa Bay sideline. They will then win by default.
darwin on October 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Gotta admit, that was sweet.
JetBoy on October 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM
A good cause is a good cause, but watching the raiders in siver and pink just aint cuttin it!
Freddy on October 4, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Is this micro-nuke gonna do something about that awfull smell wafting over the airwaves and into my living room?
Freddy on October 4, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Vikes vs Pack
One of the newtwork (sic) guys last night mentioned that if Farve wins today, he’ll be the only person to have beaten every NFL team during his career.
Not sure if that’s so, but if it is, what a feat!
OkieDoc on October 4, 2009 at 1:24 PM
The Patriots did the same thing-lost the coin toss, and fumbled away the kickoff to the Pats. Sadly the Pats could only get 3 out of it. The Ravens then sputtered down the field (with plenty of penalties) and just scored a TD. 7-3 Baltimore.
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Thanks for your optimism, but with Seneca Wallace leading the 1.5 string seahawks, I don’t think they will score more than one touchdown. I don’t know if my boys can score more than 16 points in the game. The first quarter has not been real stellar.
But all is not doom and gloom. Oregon ran up 52 points on Washington State. The Ducks are flying high again.
Mallard T. Drake on October 4, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Patriots just marched down the field on a 14 play drive, score now 10-7 N.E.
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Giants 14-3. If the Chiefs defensive line doesn’t wake up, not only will my team kick their butts, but it’s going to be a very, very long day for KC.
Jazz Shaw on October 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Anyone watching the preview of NFL Redzone Channel?
http://www.nfl.com/redzonetv
Iggles have the week off, TB you get crushed again next week.
igglesphan on October 4, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Just found it on Dish, thanks
conservnut on October 4, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Jazz Shaw on October 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Right before the TD the officials let the Chiefs know that they weren’t allowed to get the Giants’ players dresses dirty.
That personal foul was horrendous! It was not a hit on a defenseless receiver. It wasn’t high like Moose kept trying to convince everyone. It looked to be a solid hit as the ball got there. But apparently now in the NFL hits aren’t allowed on QBs or receivers?
red winger on October 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Agree with red winger. That was a totally bogus call. It was a clean hit at shoulder level just as the ball arrived. Dumb, dumb, dumb on the refs.
Jazz Shaw on October 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Ravens and Patriots just exchanged possessions that both ended with punts, still 10-7 NE. 7:11 until the half.
Lengthy injury time here-one of the Raven’ tackles is hurt after he hit the backside of the Raven’s QB.
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Wow. NE just put a dirty late hit on Flacco. Hope he’s o.k.
(And no I am not a NE hater. Actually, I’m a fan of theirs.)
WannabeAnglican on October 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Man the Raiders can’t stop getting creamed..
saus on October 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Oh my bad, I thought it was Flacco that was down. That was still a very late hit.
Flacco is tough if he walked away from that.
WannabeAnglican on October 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM
By the way, has anyone noticed that the only win the Steelers have is against a team that stinks so far?
(The Titans. And, yes, I thought at the time that they blew it against Pittsburgh.)
WannabeAnglican on October 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM
No, it was the Ravens’ left tackle who was hurt, and he got hurt by colliding with Flacco.
TD Sammy Morris. N.E. now leads 17-7. 14 unanswered points.
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Go Bears!
Bear down, Chicago Bears, make every play clear the way to victory;
Bear down, Chicago Bears, put up a fight with a might so fearlessly.
We’ll never forget the way you thrilled the nation with your T-formation.
Bear down, Chicago Bears, and let them know why you’re wearing the crown.
You’re the pride and joy of Illinois, Chicago Bears, bear down.
bkm on October 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM
The Ravens have been called twice now for roughing the quarterback. The second one cost them 7.
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Payton Manning is remarkable. I have watched him in three games this season and he is clicking. It is at the point where I am surprised when the Colts don’t score on a drive. Indy looks formidable this year.
Meanwhile, Hawks fans, this game has the feel of a done deal. Though Ray Willis and his holding penalties have more to do with keeping Seattle out of the end zone than Wallace, I can’t see the Hawks putting up 21 points in the second half behind Seneca. Seahawks need to get healthy and mentally start the season over again.
Mallard T. Drake on October 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM
That still was a very late hit on Flacco. I’m glad he wasn’t hurt. Hope the tackle is o.k.
WannabeAnglican on October 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Geez, Titans are toast already. What the heck happened to them this year?
WannabeAnglican on October 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM
John Kincaid this morning on ESPN radio:
“I am punishing my daughter by forcing her to watch the Redskins-Bucs game.”
Penfold on October 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Flacco just threw an interception in the red zone-Pats have the ball back and just ran the clock out. 17-7 at the half.
So far Brady is 9 for 14 for 177 yards and Flacco is 14 for 25 with 143 yards.
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Bears game tied at halft-time 21/21
lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Funny, Penfold. :)
Strangely, the first games are so lopsided, the Skins-Bucs game is the most interesting at the moment.
Even the Red Zone is a bit boring now.
WannabeAnglican on October 4, 2009 at 3:08 PM
31/21 Bears so far!
lovingmyUSA on October 4, 2009 at 3:08 PM
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