Video: Ron Paul spins for Iran, of course
posted at 8:31 pm on October 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
A follow-up to my post last weekend about what a disgraceful, denialist crank this guy is. Let me go in chronological order, as there’s so much here that’s either dumb or dishonest that I’ll overlook something if I don’t.
1. Who are the mysterious “neocons” who forced poor Barack Obama to disclose the secret Qom site, which Paul would have you believe he didn’t want to do even though he’s been preparing to do it for months? Or have I misunderstood and he’s actually suggesting that Obama’s been duped and that there’s no secret Qom site at all, even though other western intel services have been keeping tabs on it for years? Give us the names of this nefarious Jewish — sorry, I mean “neocon” — cabal, please.
2. According to The Only Man Who Can Save America, Iran actually disclosed the existence of the Qom site to the IAEA before Obama disclosed it, ergo it’s not actually a secret. True. What he doesn’t mention: They only disclosed it a week ago, in the vaguest possible terms, after having kept it a secret for at least three years, and only because they realized that the west knew about it and was about to blow their cover. Nuance, Ron Paul style.
3. An excellent point: He notes that U.S. intel apparently knew about the secret Qom site even before the infamous 2007 NIE declaring that Iran had halted its weapons program was released. Not so excellent: The conclusion he draws from this, apparently, is that the Qom site is nothing to worry about rather than the much more likely conclusion that evidence of Iranian weaponization was withheld from the NIE in a politicized bid to deny Bush any reason to take military action against Iran. Oh, also? No mention here that classified portions of that very same NIE declared that Iran had an estimated 10 to 15 secret nuclear sites. How come, Doctor?
4. “What does the law say?” wonders our hero, declaring Iran innocent of any international violations. In fact, IAEA chief Mohammed ElBaradei acknowledged just this morning that Iran had broken the law. (In Paul’s semi-defense, this clip was recorded three days ago.)
5. He asserts that the IAEA has never found Iran’s nuclear program to be at fault, which (a) overlooks point 4 above and (b) ignores the fact that the IAEA has been credibly accused by western intel agencies — and not just America’s — of suppressing evidence that incriminates Iran in order to avoid military conflict. In fact, ElBaradei himself is an Iranian stooge of such longstanding that we’ve been writing about it since practically day one of Hot Air. The fact that even he’s been forced to get tough-ish is all the proof you need that Tehran’s in flagrant violation of its international commitments.
I’ll probably find five more out-and-out lies if I watch the clip again but that’s all for now.
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Sure, Israel is the ONLY country with lobbyists in Washington and the only country which receives a dime in foreign aid.
Of course, craphole countries like Egypt don’t trade with us, while the majority of foreign aid to Israel, returns to the US.
Or maybe just the only effective ones, according to Ron Paul.
With superduper hypnotic powers.
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Ron Paul is embarrassing
when it comes to foreign policy.SG1_Conservative on October 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM
FIFY.
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Oh, so they don’t have elections? They’re not led by an elected Prime Minister and an elected cabinet (with Arab members, incidentally) ? Silly me. I’m just a poor brainwashed warmongering neocon, so clearly I must have misread all those news reports about Israeli elections and so forth.
TheQuestion on October 1, 2009 at 9:51 PM
I bet they don’t routinely murder them.
Which puts them far ahead of any Arab or Persian country.
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Israel’s existence is Israel’s problem. Don’t drag my country into a conflict whose only resolution will be lose-lose for us.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 9:51 PM
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 9:45 PM
It took less than one page for the jew hating to surface.
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 9:54 PM
There you go again. I question Israel’s stranglehold on American foreign policy, I get the term “Jew hater” thrown back in my face.
I want you to explain to me how this tactic is any different than conservatives being called racists for opposing Obama?
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 9:54 PM
I never said Israel was the only country that employs lobbyists in Washington. It does, however, have the largest and most powerful lobbyist presence in Washington of all the foreign countries (and in fact, one of the largest and most powerful lobbyist presences period).
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 9:54 PM
It’s probably different because, I’m just guessing, you hate jews.
Oh, you won’t come right out and say it in the open, because you’re a coward, but what you do say is good enough.
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM
LINK
JohnTant on October 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM
And if Iran gets the bomb, all that will happen anyway. Because once they get the bomb, they will use it against us, and we will be forced to retaliate, and boom goes the dynamite. Look, I don’t pretend that bombing Iran will be a daisy-chain picnic, but they started this thing by going after nuclear weapons. If we must fight a war, I’d rather fight a non-nuclear Iran than a nuclear one.
TheQuestion on October 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM
At what point did you deem it acceptable for a nation whose leaders routinely call for the destruction of another state to have access to the very weapons that can make said destruction possible?
anuts on October 1, 2009 at 9:57 PM
As an addendum to this, I want to point out that giving foreign aid to Egypt, for example, is not a sticking point with most of the Middle East and therefore is not the liability that our unquestioned support for Israel is.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Wrong. You are totally ignorant about what you are talking about and have no idea what is going on over there.
They treat us Christians EXACTLY the same as the worst islamic country does if not worse!
Yet you ignorant “evangelical” heretic sectarians and the US government support them mindlessly.
Look..John Haggee and Jerry Falwell are heretics and get huge money to promote these heresies.
There is no Biblical mandate to support them.
They should be treated exactly the same even handed approach as we would treat any other nation.
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Strategy in the close past dictated we not divulge our knowledge of the Qom site. Obama thought differently when he let the Russians know about it, and they intern let Iran know that we knew, so they ran to the IAEA and disclosed it.
It’s nothing more than a bargaining chip. They have more sites, bet your bank account on it. Whatever they give up regarding this site is nothing of consequence, otherwise dinnerjacket would be all up in arms about it. He’s not. He doesn’t really care because we….meaning ZERO, took the bait.
People have to face facts here. Obama is an orator, not a strategist, not a leader. He’s a piece of crap that got voted in for all the wrong reasons, now because of a bunch of REALLY STUPID Americans that voted for him, we’re going to pay the price and look really stupid on top of it.
This is all masturbation. The real nasty and dangerous work Iran has and is doing isn’t being uncovered even as top secret info yet…primarily because zero has neutered our intelligence gathering ability.
Look forward to a glowing decade after 2010, all thanks to our idiot in chief which inadvertently is being supported by dumbas$es like Paul.
Spiritk9 on October 1, 2009 at 9:58 PM
AP going for another 1000 point thread.
But please don’t let this one linger. It’s like blood in the water for these Paultards.
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 9:58 PM
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 9:57 PM
You came off the Lithium, didn’t you?
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Allah, this is not correct in any event. The IAEA issued a report in 2005 or 2006 stating that Iran was in breach of its safeguards agreement with the Agency, and thus in violation of its international commitments wrt its nuclear program. Thereafter, the UN Security Council issued at least two resolutions (1696 1737) requiring Iran to cease its enrichment activities, which it failed to do.
I cannot and will not defend Dr. Paul on this at all.
Firefly_76 on October 1, 2009 at 10:01 PM
And you hate blacks (probably Hispanics and Asians too) but you’re too much of a coward to come out and say it.
This is nuts. Has the constant barrage of spook stories about Iran’s supposed determination to bring about the end of the world really been that effective? That there are actually people who think Iran is going to, without provocation, use a nuclear weapon against the most powerful country in the world, thereby ensuring its own total destruction?
You’re not very politically savvy if you’re actually taking Ahmadinejad’s supposed threats at face value. They are red meat for the Iranian equivalent of America’s warmongers; a domestic political gesture.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Finally a criticism of the mullahs: They’re as bad as the warmongering neocons.
It’s a start (I think).
SteveMG on October 1, 2009 at 10:04 PM
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM
No. Because I never said anything that would make you think so, like you have with the Jews.
Now get over to Max;s house. You forgot to give him his pills.
Take some yourself while you’re over there…
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 10:04 PM
As to your question, Israel has never said Iran should be wiped off the map. It’s been the other way around, thus Israel has no other choice than to return the favor… and I pray they do so.
As to your comment, I am more hard-headed, belligerent, and nuance-free than any mullah or leader in Iran could ever be.
I want them dead, period. And, if some innocents have to die in the process, so friggin’ be it.
This, champ, ain’t horseshoes where close (and nuance) counts.
TXUS on October 1, 2009 at 10:06 PM
No, you made the statement:
“these groups” meaning Jews. If you were trying to mask your elation, you did a very poor job.
I also asked what you thought about the Arab lobby, which you completely ignored. I wonder why? Patterns, patterns. RP nuts have a one track mind…Jews, Israel!
My point was, and still is, that RP supporters will never miss an opportunity tell you how much they hate Israel. At the same time, you never see them say a bad word about anyone that wants to kill Jews.
I commend you for helping prove my point, though I must admit it was unexpected. Nice job!
You may continue with your Ron Paulesque tirades against the evil Jews and Israel. Would we really expect anything less?
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 10:06 PM
You’re a conservative. If criticizing Israel is enough for you to throw the term “Jew hater” at me then being a conservative is enough for me to call you a racist.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:07 PM
http://www.veteranoutrage.com
While i liked ron pauls stance on both the economy
and his stance on obvious stuff like ohh
The Budget and other issues.
When it comes to anythintg resembling foreign policy
or even If we should close our borders and police them policies
the libertarians suddendly loose a whole lot of credibility on any other issues besides financial issues..
Why do i say this?
Because if they believe that they can have
An open border and then never have to deal with ohh
hostile regimes or other evils in this world
they are severly mistaken and honestly their world view
is completly assinine..
They honestly believe that if america and the west would just Roll over and surrender all of our own rights
And open our border wide open
And shut down our military and turn it all over to the un
and Disband the IRS
and turn our country into an isolationist mecca
they will suddendly find out that they have taken the greatest nation on Gods green earth and turned it into CUBA..
If they honestly believe that you can open the borders wide
not care about all of these islamic nations all building nukes and still they think they will not have any
security issues with this stance with
No military
No IRS
No way to defend yourself..
They will suddendly wake up one day
with all their women wearing burkas
the entire population speaking spanish
and the dollar replaced with the peso (actually the peso will be worth more)..
Im sorry but what planet are these ron paulers from again
veteranoutrage on October 1, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Let’s dance, bozo.
TheQuestion on October 1, 2009 at 10:09 PM
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM
You are aware of the fact that this so called ‘Israel lobby’ is in fact made up entirely of law abiding, American loving Americans I assume? No different than most other lobbyists of which there are plenty for every single issue on earth.
It is your Gd given American right to lobby as an American for issues important to you. Stop demonizing fellow Americans in this manner because it tells a lot more about you than them. It’s not their fault your own views have such a small lobby, again that is a reflection on you. Stop projecting.
saus on October 1, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Nah, they just tossed it out as a bone because people are pointing out their one track minds…Jews, Jews, Israel, Israel.
Iran, terrorists? Crickets…
Patterns.
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 10:10 PM
RP looking a lot like this guy.
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 10:10 PM
This is an example of extremism, whether it’s you saying it or them, and should be shunned.
“These groups” immediately followed my description of the Israel lobby and the evangelical Christian base that supports Israel. You’re desperately trying to twist anything I say about Israel into being about Jews instead.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Sure, because he’s so worried about losing an election over there.
Whatta dope. Where do you get this crap?
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:12 PM
I’d argue cheering the wanning of support for a country that faces annihilation makes you a Jew hater.
Claiming our support of Israel was due to either “aggressive lobbying” or “insane evangelicals” wasn’t doing you any favors either.
jhffmn on October 1, 2009 at 10:12 PM
I’m not demonizing or projecting anything, I’m stating a fact. The Israeli lobby exercises immense influence in Washington and this influence is one of the key reasons that Israel continues to enjoy America’s unconditional support. I didn’t question the legality or bring up any ethical questions about the act of lobbying itself. Don’t derail.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Even Hitler, the undisputed dictator of Nazi Germany, still had to keep the morale of his supporters up. This isn’t the same as stumping for an election.
First off, Israel is not “facing annihilation.” That is dishonest and hyperbolic to say otherwise. Secondly, I already made my position on Israel clear: hands-off approach. We owe them nothing and our continued support of them is harming our own interests.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:16 PM
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:07 PM
You assume I’m a conservative. I never said I was. Nor did I say anything to make you or anyone else think I was a racist.
You on the other hand have done just the opposite. So like I said, you haven’t come out and specifically said you hate Jews, but your positions on everything anti-Israel and pro-jihadi leave more than enough evidence that you are, in fact a Jew hater.
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Indeed. You made it clear you hate Jews AND Christians and were glad they were loosing influence. Did you want to retract that?
And yet you missed a second opportunity to talk about how you feel about the Arab lobby? It’s apparent you don’t have a problem with them, just the “Israel” lobby. I’m sure there’s a good explanation for that too.
You may continue your diatribes against Israel. Just pointing out the obvious.
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Mindless. Especially this part…
I’m not an evangelical.
The government of Israel does not kill Christians; by definition, that puts them ahead of Muslim Theocracies.
Jerry Falwell’s dead.
Three errors of fact in one paragraph. Even for you, a signature accomplishment.
massrighty on October 1, 2009 at 10:20 PM
PS Mr-B you talk a big game about Christians in Israel. I live here, there are thousands of Christians visiting here often, I speak english and love to talk to them all over Tel Aviv. These are some of the finest visitors we have, Israelis love them. I’ve also had great talks with Orthodox & Armenian Christian monks in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. They are just fine.. Coptic Christians & Palestinian Christians also have had good quiet relations with Israel..
You know it is the Palestinian Muslims persecuting fellow Arab Christians in places like Bethlehem & Gaza? They are de-populating them, intimidating them with violence.. Their own brothers. You are very ignorant of these realities. I’m not going to let your BS fly. Christians are not only free, but welcome to live, pray & worship in Israel like all religions from Muslims to the Bahi.
Your views are astounding when one considers the thousands of years Christians sadly persecute Jews precisely because of hatreds & religion. Your views fly in the face of hundreds of years of history & reality. Educate yourself man.
saus on October 1, 2009 at 10:21 PM
We owe nothing for the defense of liberty and freedom?
Riiiiiight!
massrighty on October 1, 2009 at 10:21 PM
I’m not arguing intentions. I’m saying it’s unacceptable. It’s irresponsible for leaders to talk this way. In fact, it speaks volumes to the stability of a country where a political ‘gesture’ for domestic consumption is done in this kind of language. Red meat for the Mahdi twelve imam cultist from a fellow cultist himself is nothing short of disturbing. Again, why is this acceptable to you?
anuts on October 1, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Agree 100%. He’s also avoid talking about how he feels about the Arab lobby. Clearly he has no problem with them. It’s just that naughty ol’ Israel lobby he has a problem with.
I’m sure there’s a *logical* explanation for the obvious and he’s just spending a few extra minutes trying to prepare JUST the right words!
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 10:22 PM
The only way to deal with Ron Paul and his followers is to announce that their comet has arrived and is ready for boarding.
Really Right on October 1, 2009 at 10:22 PM
How is it that someone calls arabs dirt who should be treated like dirt and I am the only one who condemns that..yet Mr B says that AIPAC has too much influence on American foreign policy and you all call him racist?
Yes maybe I overreacted and took the commentor who said that about arabs out of context and maybe he should be given the opportunity to clarify..if so I do apologize to the commentor who said that and would admit that I am wrong.
But you people seem to blatantly endorse racism against those “dark skinned arabs” and “pray that innocent arab civilians are killed” while you are “praying for bloodshed” and that is fine?
You are hypocrites.
Unfounded accusations of racism is the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel and a sure sign you have no valid argument.
You don’t like it when dems call all conservatives racist for opposing Obama, yet you think it is ok to accuse anyone who says that we should end our unconditional support of israel, racist?
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 10:23 PM
You are getting rather tiresome, catshit.
Can we not criticize Israel at all without being labeled ‘jew-haters”???
You are quicker on that trigger than Ahmedinejad would ever be on his.
Give it a rest already.
David2.0 on October 1, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Well that’s certainly a relief.
Just harmless threats! Who is this Hitler fellow, BTW?
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:23 PM
If the American Israel lovvy has influence it is becuase it represents the majority of American’s views as supported by poll after poll. Why shouldn’t American policy represent normal American views and be lobbied as such? Again, it is no one’s fault but yours that your views are not more widely supported.
Tough luck
saus on October 1, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Who do you think you’re kidding? Your profile link goes to townhall.com for God’s sake. I don’t need to “assume” you’re a conservative.
I’d like to know what I said that was “pro-jihadi”. Last I checked, we’re discussing the legitimate state of Iran, not a ragtag group of terrorists living in caves.
I never stated that I “hate” anything. Yes, I’m glad that evangelical Christianity and the Israeli lobby is losing influence in Washington. No, this does not mean I hate Christians and Jews. If you think that it does then that’s your problem.
The Arab lobby in Washington doesn’t exercise anywhere near the influence that the Israeli lobby does. Nor does the Arab lobby advocate unilaterally for the interests of a single country in the way the Israeli lobby does.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM
I must have missed the “HAHA just kidding” part the last time Iran threatened to destroy Israel.
jhffmn on October 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM
BTW earlier regarding Christians in Israel I meant maximus instead of mr-B. Sorry for putting the wrong handle in.
saus on October 1, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Oh boy…Then will you explain this:
At least be consistent on principles.
anuts on October 1, 2009 at 10:27 PM
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Really. Yes, those cash poor Saudis have NO influence that approaches that of the Israelis. Please. How about Kuwait?
Were you for or against the first Gulf War waged to free Kuwait and protect Saudia Arabia?
Do you think that had nothing to do with Saudi Arabia’s influence in Washington?
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:28 PM
You are a liar and the saddest part about this is that some ignorant heretical “evangelicals” will actually mindlessly believe you just like they mindlessly they folow the heretic John Haggee who is paid to promote these heresies.
Why don’t you come out and tell them what the prison sentence is in israel for converting a jew to Christianity?
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Unacceptable? It’s certainly poor decorum. Of course, let’s not lie to ourselves here: the real leaders in Iran are the members of the Guardian Council, not Ahmadinejad. They’re considerably more skilled at holding their tongues than a career politician like Ahmadinejad is.
Many Americans are terrified to say anything that could be construed as “anti-Israel” precisely because it has consistently been equated with “anti-semitism” by dishonest people such as those in this thread engaging in this behavior.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Well, the Israelis were the only country with intelligence agents in this country tracking and surveilling several 9-11 terrorists. As a matter of fact, Israeli agents lived on the same street as some 9-11 hijackers in Florida.
How do you explain that?
David2.0 on October 1, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Because, Sparky, the guy who called Arabs dirt was a Paultard just like you. In fact, it went on to say this:
Could be your twin, really….
TheQuestion on October 1, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Saudi Arabia was hardly the only country that had a dog in that fight. Everybody wanted Kuwait freed. That’s a totally different ballgame from acting in Israel’s interests, which not only benefit Israel exclusively but often work to the detriment of other states in the region.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:33 PM
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 10:28 PM
You are ignorant.
I visited Haifa on a Med cruise in ’93. I was in Haifa and in Jerusalem for two weeks. Visited the Red Sea, and the Church of the Holy Sepulcher and a number of other Holy sites.
Israel offers religious freedom to Christians, you have no idea what it is you’re talking about.
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Poor decorum? Is genocide and nuclear holocaust poor decorum? How about just red meat threats meant for domestic consumption of such?
anuts on October 1, 2009 at 10:34 PM
“I’d like to know what I said that was “pro-jihadi”. Last I checked, we’re discussing the legitimate state of Iran…”
Ummm…a distinction without a difference.
“I never stated that I “hate” anything. Yes, I’m glad that evangelical Christianity and the Israeli lobby is losing influence in Washington.”
You walk back almost as good as Jimmeh.
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 10:35 PM
I am a liar? this is news to me. There is no such law, can you find me even ONE Christian in 60+ years imprisoned in Israel for being Christian – You are insane.
You have in fact mixed up Jordan & Israel, yes exactly as I posted in Arab lands Christians are persecuted for being such, & imprisoned for trying to spread their faith. My friend Meryl has a post about it.
saus on October 1, 2009 at 10:36 PM
David2.0 on October 1, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Great, a troofer like Ron Paul.
Next are we going to hear about the missile that flew into the Pentagon and all the other troofer hallucinations?
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Never said any such thing. What I point out, is your one way and ONLY criticism of Israel. I might also point out when you call others racists, as you did, that there is considerable hypocrisy there as a RP supporter, given his exposed hatred for Jews and blacks. You conveniently ignored that, for some reason. You probably have an explanation, I’m sure.
Patterns. RP supporters have a one track mind. Not just this thread, but any thread that invokes RP will surely turn into a rant about Jews (aka Israel). Not unlike Ron Paul himself, who has decades of one way criticisms for Israel and Israel only.
Now, do you and mr_B and any other RP supporters who boo hoo and cry “Can we not criticize Israel at all without being labeled ‘jew-haters”???” might impress upon others who happen to spot these persistent one tracked criticisms of Israel and Israel only, might be able to make a point if you had criticisms of others, but that never happens.
With RP supporters, it’s the “we hate Israel” channel 24 hours a day.
You didn’t have to. Your words said it for you.
Thanks for finally inputting your “opinion” on the Arab lobby. It is surely an opinion and about what I expected. Not a bad word to say. Just Israel, just Jews. No need to remind us again and again and again and again. We get the point. “Bad Jew…bad bad Jew.”
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 10:38 PM
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:33 PM
So you think the Saudi’s cover up over the bombing of Khobar Towers, which the Clinton Administration disgracefully gave in to, had nothing to do with the Saudi Arabia lobby?
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:38 PM
heretical “evangelicals”
I don’t think that word ‘heretic’ means what you think it means…
What exactly is a ‘heretical evangelical‘?
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Where did he specifically threaten either of those two things? He did express a desire for the state of Israel to disappear; but the state is the government, not the country or its people. I interpreted it to mean a desire to see Israel’s government fail.
“Distinction without a difference”? Okay, the catmman is out of the bag here. You have no serious argument if you’re honestly going to try and equate the legitimate government of Iran with Jihadi lunatics hiding out in caves.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Don’t put words into my mouth. I’m not excusing anything Saudi Arabia has done, but Saudi Arabia is not the subject of this discussion.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:42 PM
He said Israel should be wiped off the map. He did not specify the government, he said Israel. When Imadinnerjacket chants Death to America, do you suppose he means that he just wants Obama and Congress to disappear?
TheQuestion on October 1, 2009 at 10:43 PM
I would take that to mean the Israeli government, yes. For simplicity’s sake, that would be reasonably shortened to just “Israel”. Either way, it doesn’t mean much–again, every politician is guilty of saying inflammatory or dishonest things for political reasons.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Legitimately installed by the use of election fraud and torturing/murdering anyone who dissents.
Iran is ruled by illegitimate, criminal tyrants.
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:45 PM
If they hold power then they are the de facto leaders of the country, which is all that matters for our purposes.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Fail in what endeavor do you imagine? Have you thought that one out?
anuts on October 1, 2009 at 10:47 PM
“Distinction without a difference”? Okay, the catmman is out of the bag here. You have no serious argument if you’re honestly going to try and equate the legitimate government of Iran with Jihadi lunatics hiding out in caves.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Au Contraire.
The “legitimate government of Iran” supports Hamas and Hezbollah, amongst other terror organizations. Isn’t these organizations mission a global “jihad” to bring about the return of the 12th Imam? Hasn’t Iran specifically called for this? Didn’t Dinnerjacket build a specially constructed well or something so the Mahdi could come crawling out and usher in the Ummah?
So which of us is the one without a serious argument?
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 10:47 PM
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:42 PM
I used Saudi Arabia as an example of a country with a very strong lobby, strong enough that the Clinton Administration looked the other way when it was very apparent that Saudi government officials conspired to permit Khobar Towers to be bombed, killing American serviceman.
Do you really think Saudi Arabia has significantly less lobbying influence on Congress than does Israel?
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Mr_B:
How do you reconcile the glaringly different standard in my 10:27 pm post?
anuts on October 1, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Patterns. mr_B is bound and determined to make those patterns as blatantly visible as possible.
Here he is, defending a terrorist, a man that vehemently hates Jews with kind words, a man that wants nothing more than America to be nuked to hell, a man responsible for the deaths of untold America soldiers in Iraq.
Kind words for terrorists? Youbetcha!
Kind word for Israel?
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Hamas and Hezbollah are not “terror organizations” no matter what the media tries to paint them as.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:51 PM
A heretic is someone who holds heretical beliefs..
Like John Haggee who says that jews are de facto Christians who will go to heaven even though they deny Christ Jesus.
John Haggee is a heretic who is paid big bucks to promote these heresies and influence poor and ignorant American protestants to believe that they need to support israel at all costs(even though they kill tons of palestinian Christians and persecute and imprison Christians in israel) and even though the Church has ALWAYS taught for 2,000 years that the Church is the Israel of God and it says this loud and clear in the Bible.
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 10:53 PM
I believe mr_B is fine with that, as long as they (Iran) wants (and continues to threaten) to wipe Israel off the map.
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Gotcha.
They’re just social organization, kind of like the Arab Shriners.
Build hospitals and stuff.
Ride around in cute little cars that blow up when they get around Jewish women and children.
What wacky hijinks.
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Yes, I do, but more importantly the practical effects of our support for Israel are more apparent and have greater harmful consequences than our support of Saudi Arabia.
Okay, here’s some kind words for Israel: I’m sorry they picked somebody else’s backyard to set up camp in and the original owners aren’t very happy with it?
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:54 PM
I disagree. We have much more in common with Israel as far as our ideals and our goals. Like continued existence.
Whereas Saudi Arabia is a vile hole.
I spent a lot of time in both countries. Two weeks in Israel where I felt as at home as I do in America. More so, than some places.
You see, they’re normal people.
Whereas in Saudi Arabia, I was there to save their worthless asses from the Iraqis.
And they treated us like crap, basically. Made us stay in camps, like we were in jail.
The world would be far better off if every Muslim country in the Middle East ceased to exist tomorrow. They’ve contributed nothing but war, hate and misery for centuries. They contribute NOTHING positive to this world.
If they didn’t have oil over there, they would all still be chasing goats across the desert.
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 11:01 PM
I don’t complain about those anymore. The last time I did, the next day was Sept. 11, 2001. I kid you not.
So be grateful.
Yakko77 on October 1, 2009 at 11:01 PM
So you support these terrorist groups too?
Interesting. “the media” goes out of their way to not paint hamas and hezbollah in a bad way.
The *only* time I’ve ever heard anyone blame the media for the terrorist actions of hezbollah and hamas was by muslims. Are you a muslim, mr_B?
Wow, for someone who has expended a great deal of effort in trying to convince others he’s not an anti-semite, you’ve managed to:
1) Rail exclusively against Israel and Israel only.
2) Defended a terrorist and state sponsor of terror, inaccurately might I add, of his comments to wipe Israel off the map.
3) Defended terrorists groups hamas and hezbollah, whose stated goal is to kill as many Jews as possible and responsible for starting repeated wars to kill as many Jews as possible.
4) Deliberately diminished the enormous role the Arab lobby has by “softly” dismissing them as not a concern.
What else would you like to volunteer, to help convince us that you are not an anti-semite? So far, you’re not making a very convincing argument. Please, by all means, continue!
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 11:02 PM
What isolationists like Ron Paul fail to recognize (or simply ignore) is that sometimes the fight comes looking for us and that those who start the fight should be held responsible for their actions instead of blaming us for their wanting to fight us.
Yakko77 on October 1, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Hamas and Hezbollah are not “terror organizations” no matter what the media tries to paint them as.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Yep.
You are, indeed
an asshat.
Where’s the other Jew-hater Paulbot who’ll come in and call it the “traitorous foreign media”?
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Now I understand why you hate Jews so much.
Lest history remind you, Israel was Israel long before islam was invented.
No wonder you support all these terrorist groups.
BruthaMan on October 1, 2009 at 11:05 PM
So where do you live?
Because if your in the US, better pick your butt up and take it back to Europe or wherever your forebearers are from, because they probably weren’t locals and they have a lot more claim to this country than “palestinians’ (aka Jordanians) have to Israel.
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Of course. Because your holy book, coincidentally written by Jews, says that Israel belongs to the Jews. No conflict of interest there or anything.
mr_B on October 1, 2009 at 11:09 PM
That’s blatantly racist.
Common goals?
Both they and the saudis want to De-Christianize America and are on record stating this.
But the Saudi’s do not control the media and entertainment business so they are pretty much powerless in that regard.
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Yes. Let’s continue to police the world since it’s been working out so great for us in the past 50 years.
How about a post about auditing the Fed Allah? You’d probably think that’s crazy too.
nazo311 on October 1, 2009 at 11:11 PM
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 10:53 PM
A heretic is: a dissenter from established religious dogma.
A evangelical is: of, relating to, or being in agreement with the Christian gospel.
Not that I’m a Hagee fan, but in order to be what you say he is, he would have to dissent from his own teachings.
I know what you wrote sounds and looks cool, but it really shows your complete ignorance on the subject.
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Oh boo hoo.
So how about listing all of the contributions Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Qatar, Kuwait and Egypt have made to the world over the past 500 years?
Besides selling oil they find lying all over the ground (that they’re too stupid to refine on their own) and refining the art of suicide bombing, I mean?
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Man you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
The Palestinian Orthodox Christians have been in Palestine for 2,000 years consecutively.
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 11:13 PM
nazo311 on October 1, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Another one?!
What are they, rabbits?
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 11:16 PM
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 11:13 PM
And who was there before that?
catmman on October 1, 2009 at 11:17 PM
You really don’t think Christ founded a Church even though He directly says this in the Bible?
Christ founded the Orthodox Church(yes the Jerusalem Orthodox Church which has been in the land of palestine for 2,000 years consecutively).
The Bible wasn’t compiled and canonized as a whole until 400 years after Christ.
THE CHURCH IS NOT A PRODUCT OF THE BIBLE..THE BIBLE IS A PRODUCT OF THE CHURCH.
MaximusConfessor on October 1, 2009 at 11:19 PM
cockroaches
runner on October 1, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Wait, are you telling us that a nation called ‘Palestine’ existed?
anuts on October 1, 2009 at 11:20 PM
And Palestine is in Jordan.
So they need to get their asses back to Jordan, where they belong.
Why won’t Jordan accept their own people?
Maybe because the Jordanians don’t want these lazy murderous lunatics, any more than the Israelis do?
NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Again you put this up, I noticed you conveniently skipped right over the post where I refuted this nonsense. Where are these persecuted imprisoned Christians in Israel? Where is the law that imprisons Christians for their faith?
Why do you have no comment over the fact that Muslims are in fact persecuting fellow Palestinian Christians, not Israel – I posted a link to actual cases of such…
Are you aware of the fact for nearly 20 years now Palestinians rule in most Arab Christian areas of the territories? Who is persecuting them? Extorting them, beating them, who’s gunmen run wild in the streets?
Who took over the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem and took Christian priests hostage with machine guns & explosives and proceeded to urinate & defecate inside the Church on the floors for days on end? The Answer to these questions are Palestinian Muslims – Not Israel.
Who kills their own daughters & the ‘bad Christians’ who happened to have perhaps fallen in love with them to protect “Family Honor” in Palestinian areas?
Shall I go on & on.. I will not bore my fellow Christian friends here at HA. The facts are clear enough.
saus on October 1, 2009 at 11:21 PM
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