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posted at 12:20 pm on October 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Joe Biden keeps talking about the fabulous improvement on the economy he’s seen from the stimulus, but thus far, those effects have mostly been limited to the White House.  Initial jobless claims rose last week to 551,000, 17,000 more than the previous week and 12,000 more than analysts predicted.  Americans spent more last month, but that mainly came from the Cash for Clunkers program (h/t Desmond L):

First-time claims for jobless benefits increased more than expected last week, a sign employers are reluctant to hire and the job market remains weak.

And while consumer spending jumped by the most in nearly eight years in August due partly to the government’s Cash for Clunkers program, economists worry whether that rebound can be sustained with U.S. households facing rising unemployment, tight credit conditions and other obstacles.

The Labor Department said Thursday that initial claims for unemployment insurance rose to a seasonally adjusted 551,000 from 534,000 in the previous week. Wall Street economists expected an increase of 5,000, according to a survey by Thomson Reuters.

The increase comes after three weeks of declines. Weekly claims have been trending down since the spring, but the decline has been painfully slow. The four-week average, which smooths out fluctuations, dropped to 548,000, about 110,000 below its peak in early April.

That hardly qualifies as a recovery, or even much of an improvement over when Barack Obama and Biden first took office.  If the economy was massively producing new jobs, it wouldn’t be quite as devastating, but it’s not.  In fact, the ratio of job applicants to open positions hit its highest level in the past decade in July.

The unemployment report for September will come out tomorrow, and analysts expect it to hit 9.8%.  That should give the folks at Innocent Bystanders a chance to update this chart:

Meanwhile, consumer spending rose 1.3% in August, beating analysts expectations.  Wages only rose 0.2%, though, and mass layoffs jumped 24.7% as unemployment rose to 9.7%.  The spending numbers got a big boost from the sale of almost 700,000 cars through the Cash for Clunkers program.  Unfortunately, as dealers are now discovering, those sales essentially shifted purchases from the fall and winter into subsidized car purchases on older inventory.  Those consumer-spending numbers will not sustain themselves into September and beyond.

Government intervention will not solve an economic crisis created by government intervention.  Until the administration reverses course and pushes capital back into the market, encouraging real growth, this stagnation and decline will continue into the foreseeable future.


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We need the “mmm…mmm…mmm” kids to lead the country in CHEERS for Obama and Biden!! FUNemployment!

Justrand on October 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM

With states running out of cash to pay all the new unemployment benefits and those folks exhausting numerous extensions, what’s going to happen next?

dogsoldier on October 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Simple. They extend the benefits yet again. First 13 weeks, then 26 weeks. And now, another 13 week extension coming up. Before you know it, unemployment “temporary” benefits will last 25 years.

angryed on October 1, 2009 at 1:44 PM

I’ve got 2016 reasons to make you forget all about this story.

LibTired on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I only need 2012.

PatMac on October 1, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Just some advice folks: Do not buy your loved ones gift certificates this Christmas. They may not be any good when they go to spend them.

TXMomof3 on October 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Thanks for the common sense tip! My families turned into a bunch of gift-card givers – I need to remind them all.

PatMac on October 1, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Part of the wonderful benefits of the “stimulus” package, will be the re-incentivization to go on welfare and to stay there.

So the Obama-Biden “administration” plan to reinvigorate the economy consists of:

- Providing incentives to go on welfare/unemployment
- Trade war with China
- Demonization of profits in private business
- “Creating” government jobs that create only more bureaucracy and red tape
- Raising taxes sky high
- More government regulation of private business
- Greater opportunity for worthless lawyers to sue and to leech from productive businesses

Whoa! Let me invest my money into the Obama/Biden Latrine Economy.

It’s either that, or just light it on fire. Same result.

NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Where are the Jobs?

TN Mom on October 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Where are the trolls?

Knucklehead on October 1, 2009 at 12:41 PM

The trolls are fully employed.

THE ONE takes care of rodents.

They are gathering fallen ACORNs.

At signs of winter’s portents.

mmmm mmmm mmmm

Yoop on October 1, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Whoa, shocking. Y’all want America to fail. Why do you hate America?

Constant Parrhesia on October 1, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Speaking of cash for clunkers:
Friend of ours went to a junkyard in Mandan,ND.
He saw a perfect ‘94 Chevy pickup.
He asked if he couldn’t buy the whole pick up from them.
They said no bcs it was a Cash fo Clunkers vehicle.
The junkyard is given 1 month to sell all the parts from these vehicles that they can & then they have to crush them.
What about waste here?
Crazy.

Badger40 on October 1, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Yoop on October 1, 2009 at 2:04 PM

LOL!
Priceless.

Badger40 on October 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM

LMAO…….We should have kept our money and forced Hussein to reimburse his cronnies out of his own pocket!

BigMike252 on October 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Winter is coming and we expect it to come early and bitter.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I expect to be pretty bitter this year.
With the cattle market diving (& yet amazingly cow #’s are at an all time low) we will probably be one of those ‘unemployed’ people.
I have a job-but our lifestyle in ranching will be gone.
The only thing left to do to save the ranch is sell off everything but the land & hope someone else will rent our pasture.
It’s a sad, sad day in cattle country, let me tell you.

Badger40 on October 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM

We are constantly told by the media how “brilliant” Obama is and how “brilliant” those around him are.

So how do they explain, all of this antipathy and roadblocks they are placing in front of the private sector, when unemployment is about to go above 10%?

Do they really think that businesses are going to hire in the face of all the incentives to the contrary?

I don’t know what it takes to be considered “brilliant” these days, but it sure seems to me doing the exact opposite of what common sense and logic would dictate.

“It’s the economy, stupid”, has become the “It’s the stupid economy”, for the Obama “administration”.

NoDonkey on October 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Where are you located? My wife is looking for a job and is a graphic designer.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 1, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Sorry I didn’t answer sooner. I’m in FL

VibrioCocci on October 1, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Badger40 on October 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM

and yet, beef prices in the grocery store are through the roof…

So, who is taking the profit?

Romeo13 on October 1, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Sorry I didn’t answer sooner. I’m in FL

VibrioCocci on October 1, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Ah, okay. Well we just moved to Missouri from Ohio for my job and my wife is sort of tired of moving.

We are both from Ohio, I got a job in September 2007 in New Hampshire and then we went back to Ohio in September 2008 and we moved out here to Missouri in July. Besides I’m in a more lucrative field so I’d make more money anyway. Thanks for responding though.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 1, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Green shoots mmm mmm mmm green shoots mmm mmm mmm Green shoots mmm mmm mmm ………. is it helping yet?

GarandFan on October 1, 2009 at 2:24 PM

OT Just read this:

General Motors Co. reported the steepest drop, 45 percent, when compared with September of last year. Chrysler Group LLC was down 42 percent and Ford Motor Co. had a much smaller decline of 5.1 percent.

It appears the vast American public gets it.

WashJeff on October 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM

With states running out of cash to pay all the new unemployment benefits and those folks exhausting numerous extensions, what’s going to happen next?

dogsoldier on October 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Um, US unemployed will go directly to the source of future unemployment benefits: China.

Cut out the worthless middleman: US gubmint.

Sweet_Thang on October 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM

So, who is taking the profit?

Romeo13 on October 1, 2009 at 2:20 PM

My educated opinion & experience has my guess at vertical integration & monopolies in the agriculture industries.
I bet most of us can agree that bigger is not always better.
One day naked Capitalism will run amok more than it has already & there will be only a handful of corporations running EVERYTHING.
So when you buy a product, the company that produces it will own everything else & all your goods will come from these few companies.
Sound familiar?
It’s scary.
And this global trading crap ain’t hitting it, either.
That beef coming in from Canada & Australia-those people don’t have to play by American rules.
I.e Canadians can use antibiotics & other medicines banned here in the US on their cattle & then they can sell it here at lower cost,.
I am already at a disadvantage.
It’s too crazy.

Badger40 on October 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Just some advice folks: Do not buy your loved ones gift certificates this Christmas. They may not be any good when they go to spend them.

TXMomof3 on October 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Thanks for the common sense tip! My families turned into a bunch of gift-card givers – I need to remind them all.

PatMac on October 1, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Common sense would dictate that you buy gifts now with cash, as the dollar declines in value, you might just have on hand a bunch of confederate type dollars by the end of this year.

PrettyD_Vicious on October 1, 2009 at 2:48 PM

One day naked Capitalism will run amok more than it has already & there will be only a handful of corporations running EVERYTHING.

Badger40 on October 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Concerned with your “naked Capitalism” comment. I hope you aren’t suggesting government control the food market and make it even worse.

shick on October 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM

That beef coming in from Canada & Australia-those people don’t have to play by American rules.
I.e Canadians can use antibiotics & other medicines banned here in the US on their cattle & then they can sell it here at lower cost,.
I am already at a disadvantage.
It’s too crazy.

Badger40 on October 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I think you may have hit it right there. The ridiculous regulations are what is driving prices up and profits down. Not necessarily with just your industry, but overall in the U.S. Regulations and taxes are absolutely ridiculous. We aren’t in the 1890s or the 1900s where the industrial boom is running rampant without any oversight.

Get rid about 75% of the regulations and hoops and that in itself could probably help the recovery.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 1, 2009 at 2:53 PM

We need the “mmm…mmm…mmm” kids to lead the country in CHEERS for Obama and Biden!! FUNemployment!

Justrand on October 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Heh. I was just thinking that this post could use ‘the perfect cheer.’

And it definitely needs more cow bell.

Onus on October 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM

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Foot must be amputated — $45,000 due to Obama fixed pricing

Head removed from ass — This procedure runs a great risk of reoccurance plus a high likelihood of being sued….$500,000

Substantial discount are available for members of Congress:

10% off for Rebs
20% off for Dems as they are likely repeat loyal customers

read our site at http://www.boneheadedmovers&shakers.com

GnuBreed on October 1, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Satire with graphic: “Obama Rewards Young Voters With More Leisure Time as Youth Unemployment Soars” http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/09/obama-rewards-young-voters-with-more.html

Mervis Winter on October 1, 2009 at 3:20 PM

As Nelson from Simpsons says…

HA HA.

I figured the jobs would jump back up once Cash for Clunkers ended. It simply gave a phantom appearance of the market getting better when the jobs were only temporary.

Enoxo on October 1, 2009 at 3:32 PM

An article of drudge talks about the 28% unemployed in detroit and the number of cadavers piling up.

I’ve tried to post the link about four times, but for some unknown reason the HA site seems to be blocking me.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Ugh. the cadavers are piling up because people cant afford to bury their loved ones.

dogsoldier on October 1, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Dow down 152; 10 year bond up 29/32nds. I remain fearful that the money which has inflated the Dow is very tentative, and that the first sign (3rd quarter earnings and unemployment numbers?) that the economy is going to stall will cause that money to fly out of equities, causing another perilous run downward.

The markets have been optimistic I think based on the century-long business cycle, and the sense that the investor needs only to find the bottom. O’Bonehead’s socialism and suicidal fiscal policy can only be defied so long, and when it turns, it could turn really bad.

Hope I’m wrong. This next couple of weeks is critical, as the beginning of the 4th quarter often is. Buck Ofama.

Jaibones on October 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM

CyberCipher on October 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM

And I’ve got plenty of peanut butter.

LibTired on October 1, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Jaibones on October 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM

There are no market fundamentals in play in the stock market right now. The current levels would require earnings five times the historical average. Inventories are down, orders are down, real unemployment is over 15%.

The stock market bubble can be explained thusly; The Federal Reserve is forcing a devaluation of the dollar, which sends stocks higher. We are also seeing a rigged game in terms of high-frequency trading designed to rope in the suckers that are either long on the stock market or in retail investment.

When it comes crashing down the people left holding the bag will be Joe Six-Pack who will see his 401(k) decimated, and also taking it on the front end when his taxes go sky-high to pay for deficits that China and Japan won’t fund anymore. Add in the resulting dollar destruction from the Fed’s monetizing of the debt and he won’t be able to feed his family with the unemployment checks he gets, paid for in worthless funny money.

And the looting of the nation continues…

TheMightyMonarch on October 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM

There are no market fundamentals in play in the stock market right now. The current levels would require earnings five times the historical average. Inventories are down, orders are down, real unemployment is over 15%.

And the looting of the nation continues…

TheMightyMonarch on October 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I couldn’t agree more. And the small investor is so desperate for a return that they are pure speculators, drunk on a rising Dow, just like at the end of the tech bubble.

Sell.

Update: Dow down 203, 10 year raging at 31/32nds up, yield now back down to 3.19%.

Jaibones on October 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Oh, and of course there is the ObaMedia: today on the drive in I caught the local Chicago radio business report, which comes from ABC Network News, and the clown was braying about how the economy is doing great by virtue of two quarters with double-digit-Dow increases.

Fools.

Jaibones on October 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Thanks for the common sense tip! My families turned into a bunch of gift-card givers – I need to remind them all.

PatMac on October 1, 2009 at 1:52 PM

My family’s the same way, and it drives me nuckin’ futs.

I don’t mind an occasional gift card either (A Lowe’s card will get quickly and wisely spent), but every single birthday and Christmas, it’s all my family wants.

I’m trying to convince them to cut down on the gifts this Christmas, which is usually a retail explosion triggered by my mother. My idea is that each adult gets one very nice gift from everyone. My sister’s four kids (the only grandchildren so far) get no more than four gifts each. Everyone gets stockings full of little goodies. Then we have a nice dinner, a bottle of good wine, and we toast the impending doom of the American Republic.

TheMightyMonarch on October 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Update: Dow down 203, 10 year raging at 31/32nds up, yield now back down to 3.19%.

Jaibones on October 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I’ve been obsessively watching the Dow and S&P, more out of morbid curiosity (I got out when the S&P hit about 850), and I’ll bet I can call tomorrow. Big rally erases today’s small but well-needed corrections. It’s like friggin’ clockwork. Every drop brings in the bottom-callers.

TheMightyMonarch on October 1, 2009 at 4:21 PM

We were apparently separated at birth. Nice to meet you, brother.

Jaibones on October 1, 2009 at 4:22 PM

I’ll bet I can call tomorrow. Big rally erases today’s small but well-needed corrections.

TheMightyMonarch on October 1, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I keep waiting for the opposite: a drop, followed by a larger drop, followed by Widespread Panic and the bottom falling out, as the speculators get wiped out and the professionals sober up.

Jaibones on October 1, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Since firearms currently seems to be our country’s major grow industry, perhaps your headline should read:

“Bad News: Unemployment Up; Good News: Gun Employment Up Too.”

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on October 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Given the small percentage of people in this country that actually work, seems like we’re all going to be on the chopping block in a year if this keeps up.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Concerned with your “naked Capitalism” comment. I hope you aren’t suggesting government control the food market and make it even worse.

shick on October 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Ummm.. NO.
I am concerned with gian monopolistic companies reducing competition in the marketplace through vertical integration.
Some of thast is good.
But when you to get to the point that only huge conglomerates can actually compete in the marketplace bcs of their sheer size (like being able to weather financial losses longer than the little guy which has nothing to do with being efficient) then we’ve got a problem.
Your food is cheap bcs:
1. large conglomerates control the markets
2. global trade allows inferior products to be sold alongside superior products, or more importantly MIXED IN WITH them
3. the GOVT has stuck its hands in the ag pie, making large corproations more profitable through global trade, regularions, etc.
Little producers can no longer compete.
Just check out what happened to the hog & poultry industry.
It’s happening to us.

Badger40 on October 1, 2009 at 5:29 PM

2. global trade allows inferior products to be sold alongside superior products, or more importantly MIXED IN WITH them

Upton Sinclair must be spinning in his grave.

Dark-Star on October 1, 2009 at 5:52 PM

I am concerned with giant monopolistic companies reducing competition in the marketplace through vertical integration.

A brilliant quote from Alan Greenspan in 1961 (who I’m suspicious remains an economic libertarian, and only conducted himself the way he did as Fed Chairman on a bet with Ayn Rand to see how fast he could sink an economy that had already decided to go full-bore debt explosion):

It takes extraordinary skill to hold more than fifty percent of a large industry’s market in a free economy. It requires unusual productive ability, unfailing business judgment, unrelenting effort at the continuous improvement of one’s product and technique. The rare company which is able to retain its share of the market year after year and decade after decade does so by means of productive efficiency — and deserves praise, not condemnation.

Note the “free economy” part. Historically monopolies have only existed at the encouragement and assistance of a governmental/regulatory body.

TheMightyMonarch on October 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM

But but I have been assured by USA Today, NPR, and the New Yolk Times that we are in a recovery. Ah well…

I do know that if Health Care Reform and Carp and Tax bills pass, the Dow
is going down down down.

Dhuka on October 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Right now there is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

Dhuka on October 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Right now there is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

Dhuka on October 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Don’t worry the two rancid pyle’s will be back in time to sign cap and trade.

huckelberry on October 1, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Upton Sinclair must be spinning in his grave.

Dark-Star on October 1, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Who cares what Upton Sinclair is doing? He was a communist clown who wrote one of the more notorious pieces of anti-business propaganda in American history. That your liberal nitwit freshman English teacher made you read it should tell you everything you need to know.

Jaibones on October 2, 2009 at 8:36 AM

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