A Right-Left consensus building on Polanski

posted at 11:36 am on October 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Every once in a while, an issue comes along that has such clear-cut implications that it rearranges the usual political alignments — perhaps especially so when the issue has little to do with electoral politics.  Such is the case with Roman Polanski’s arrest in Switzerland on the basis of a 32-year-old arrest warrant for jumping bail and fleeing the US after admitting to statutory rape — and committing rape and sodomy on a 13-year-old girl he’d first drugged.  After an initial blast of outrage from the Hollywood Left, those cultural elites find themselves further and further marginalized as the vast majority of people from across the political spectrum vent their own outrage over the shabby and despicable excuses offered for Polanski’s actions.

First, the Washington Post editors offer their measured offense at Polanski defenders, and calls the fugitive a coward:

Roman Polanski’s apologists — as typified by the comments of Swiss filmmaker Otto Weisser, Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, film and TV celebrity Whoopi Goldberg — don’t let basic facts, or even simple decency for that matter, get in the way of their defense of this notorious director. Ever since Mr. Polanski’s arrest Saturday in Switzerland on a fugitive warrant in a case involving sex with a 13-year-old girl, a number of Hollywood luminaries — Martin Scorsese, Jonathan Demme, David Lynch, to name but a few — are demanding his release. This follows the equally misguided defense of Mr. Polanski by European political and cultural authorities. Thankfully, a backlash is developing, fueled by the public getting a clear understanding of Mr. Polanski’s sordid crime and his cowardice in evading justice.

What matters is not that Mr. Polanski is 76 or that he has a talent for filmmaking or that his own life has been filled with unspeakable horrors or that the case is decades old. It doesn’t even matter that his underage victim, now grown up, forgives him. What matters is that this man admitted to having sex with a 13-year-old whose undisputed testimony details how he gave her champagne and Quaaludes, got her naked in a hot tub and wouldn’t listen as she — terrified — said no. He was originally charged with sodomy and rape but agreed to plead to a lesser offense. He jumped bail and fled the country out of fear the judge would give him more prison time than the paltry 42 days supposedly promised by prosecutors. He has been living with impunity and in luxury ever since.

One wonders whether these same editors will eventually address columnist Anne Applebaum’s serial misrepresentations of the facts of the case, as well as her conflict of interest in it.  One doesn’t need courage for that task — just simple editorial competence.

Susan Estrich, not exactly a conservative stalwart, blasts Polanski and his defenders at Rasmussen in her column, “Roman the Rapist”:

Roman Polanski was on his way to a film festival in which he was to be honored for his life’s work when he was arrested last weekend. Some 100 European big shots have released a statement in protest: “Filmmakers in France, in Europe, in the United States and around the world are dismayed by this decision. It seems inadmissible to them that an international cultural event, paying homage to one of the greatest contemporary filmmakers, is used by the police to apprehend him.”

I’ve got news for the big shots: International cultural events are not safe havens for criminals, nor is there any reason they should be. A criminal is a criminal, even if he is “one of the greatest contemporary filmmakers.” There’s nothing “inadmissible” about it, guys. …

When reality intervened and it became clear that a judge might well sentence him to time in prison, Polanski did not seek to withdraw his guilty plea and go to trial. He did not await the sentence and then appeal it. Free on bail pending sentencing, he decided to thumb his nose at the American justice system and flee the country. Fleeing from justice violates the “most elementary” principles of our legal system, to quote the misinformed Mr. Temime. It’s every bit as serious as raping a 13-year-old.

For the past 30 years, Roman Polanski has been not just a convicted rapist but a fugitive from justice. … The fact that he got away with it this long is not a reason to declare him innocent. He is a guilty man who fled from justice. It is time, past time, that he was returned.

Estrich makes an important point about the wishes of the victim in this matter.   In two ways, it’s irrelevant.  First, Polanski committed a crime against the judicial system by fleeing, an offense that must be corrected regardless of the underlying case, and for which Polanski must pay some price.  Otherwise, bail means nothing, especially to the rich.

Second, the state assumes the role of complainant in criminal cases at trial for a reason.  As part of the social contract, we agree to forgo personal and/or clan blood atonement for crimes against us in place of a rational adjudication of crimes, which is not the universal condition, as we discovered somewhat belatedly in Iraq and Afghanistan.  If we want to support the rule of law rather than vendettas, then we need to pursue Polanski and everyone else who runs out on sentencing after a conviction.

No major blog has as large a contingent of Hollywood elites as the Huffington Post, but even there, lines have been drawn.  While some of HuffPo’s bloggers have demanded Polanski’s release, the commenters there have mainly savaged Polanski’s supporters.  Nina Burleigh, writing from Italy, wonders why the cultural elite want to champion a sex offender, and draws a comparison to treatment of war criminals in an explicit attempt to goad Polanski apologists (via Howard Kurtz):

To these artists and other supporters of the arrested director, the incarceration of the director is the end of a witch-hunt, the persecution of a genius by low-level, un-imaginative legal drones, who wear un-cool suits and wouldn’t know a semiotic deconstruction if it smacked them in the face. If Polanski did anything wrong, and some, I think, would even say he did not, he should be forgiven for a single folly, committed way back in the ‘lude’ and hot-tub heyday of 1970s Hollywood debauchery. The rape of a 13-year old was hardly the worst offense committed at Jack Nicholson’s pad.

By this way of thinking, to arrest Polanski now is like arresting a woman for riding a bicycle in public because it was illegal in the 19th Century. But, to arrest Polanski now is also like apprehending a war criminal many years after the fact. The war criminal may be living in South America, tending his garden and making sheep’s cheese, and his victims blissfully reaching the age of non compos mentis, but it means something to the world that justice be served.

Comparing a Hollywood child rape to war criminal behavior will inspire outrage, guffaws, ridicule. Bring it on.

Hollywood’s response to all of this?  As Patterico discovered, it’s that their customers should shut up and let them instruct us on morality:

[Movie Mogul Harvey] Weinstein said that people generally misunderstand what happened to Polanski at sentencing. He’s not convinced public opinion is running against the filmmaker and dismisses the categorization of Hollywood as amoral. “Hollywood has the best moral compass, because it has compassion,” Weinstein said.

Hollywood has the “best moral compass”?  Not even its most ardent fans are going to buy that.  And it’s certainly good to have compassion, but apparently that compassion is limited to powerful film directors.  For that matter, it’s even more limited to politically correct film directors.  It’s certainly not given to the children that get victimized by the casting couch, as this incident clearly shows.

The danger for Hollywood in its knee-jerk support for a child rapist is in the divide it shows from its usual allies on the Left.  This, perhaps more than any recent issue or event, shows just how radical and fringe the entertainment industry has become, and how badly it has divorced itself from its consumers.  That lesson will not shock many on the Right, but perhaps it will serve as a Road to Damascus moment for others.

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“Hollywood has the best moral compass, because it has compassion,” Weinstein said.

And that’s why it’s okay to call Sarah Palin a c*nt or say George Bush should rot in prison for war crimes — both of which I’ve heard at Hollywood parties, and heard echoed in a hundred permutations elsewhere in Hollywood.

rrpjr on October 1, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I have a hard time believing that women, the target audience, of The View have not required some kind of “clarification” from Ms. Goldberg. I haven’t seen anything from the show or ABC so I am left to assume that the public didn’t complain. I am surprised.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Child rapist = consent-challenged artist

That’s some “moral compass” you’ve got there, champ!

Laura in Maryland on October 1, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Polanski pled GUILTY to child rape then skipped before sentencing. As a mom, I am outraged that anyone would defend this monster.

Harvey Weinstein thinks Hollywood has compassion? A moral compass?? WTF.

Hollywood (includes you, Whoopi) wouldn’t know a compass if if walked the red carpet, fed them quaaludes, plied them with champaign, then raped and sodomised them.

Hey Hollywood: Keep your “compassion” away from my children.

TN Mom on October 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Compassion implies that an offense has been committed, the offender has asked for leniency and/or forgiveness, and this is granted them. Polanski, for his part, has not asked forgiveness for a gruesome act, but has justified it, rationalized it, and, in fleeing, basically gave the victim and the US justice system the middle finger. Hollywood’s ‘compassion’ is not really compassion at all, but tacit approval of this sicko’s actions and total disregard for that 13 year old who endured them.

Moral values and Hollywood go together like Anthony Michael Hall and an Oscar.

GoodSamaritan on October 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM

…I made the mistake of labeling the entire state of California that way. I realise that not all people from California are that way….

milwife88 on October 1, 2009 at 11:44 AM

This native Californian thanks you. :-) For that statement, and also for your and your husband’s service to the country.

Mary in LA on October 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Thacker has never been big on any rule that gets in the way of him having fun.

MarkTheGreat on October 1, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Hey, neither am I. I just think it’s required that it’s fun for everyone invloved.

exception on October 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Where the #&%$ is NOW?????

Laura in Maryland on October 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Hollywood should inspect their moral compass; I think it might be out of alignment. Either that, or they are reading it upside down.

Vashta.Nerada on October 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM

What is really really frightening about all this is that “Hollywood” elites are the ones who perpetuate American culture… art, song, literature–in the form of movies and TV.

This is the prism through which life is considered and it is a dark and nasty prism, labeled in the Orwellian way as “compassion”.

“Compassion” is exactly what is bringing down this civilization and driving us backwards to a time of serfs and masters. One law for the serfs and another for the masters.

Down with compassion and up with justice and rule of law!

petunia on October 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Which is kind of ironic because even the Left agrees that for money, many people will do almost anything.

Niko on October 1, 2009 at 12:17 PM

There’s not much that isn’t filth that comes out of Hollywood these days. Even kids movies now have humor that only adults will grasp. I don’t want my kids asking me, “What does that mean daddy?”.

shick on October 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM

There are some sane minds in Hollywood that are scared to speak up. At least some are speaking out unlike when it comes to Sarah Palin and Miss California when a crow bar would not open their mouths.

Dire Straits on October 1, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Interesting that T-Mobile hasn’t scrubbed their Homepage celebrity endorsement from Whoopi “Rape-Rape” Goldberg from their website yet.

RushBaby on October 1, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I have already e-mailed AllahPundit to register my displeasure regarding the sheer creepiness of that T-mobile ad. Suggestions?

My collie says:

We’d cancel our T-mobile service, but we’re iPhone (Cingular/AT&T) users.

CyberCipher on October 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I am saddened and ashamed by many of those who work in the profession from which I earn a living. Weinstein’s whole line of reasoning is flawed when his measure of compassion comes from the nexis of reaching out to the criminal element in society instead of the victims. One has to wonder if any of these “compassionate” individuals actually realize that empathy and sympathy are key components to compassion. If one is truly compassionate, one could never side with the perpetrator of such a violent crime as rape. And for the record, a 46 year old having sex with a 13 year old is never consentual because a 13 year old is LEGALLY BELOW THE AGE OF CONSENT even if she said yes (which according to her testamony she did not). It is clincal pedophilia. Mr. Polanski should know something about consent laws from the strict Coogan Act that governs children his profession.

I say declare a mistrial and retry the Mr. Polanski, so that it brings to light all the true facts of this case. Let’s see how many are singing his praises when the facts are presented to a jury.

wordsmithy2009 on October 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I haven’t seen anything from the show or ABC so I am left to assume that the public didn’t complain. I am surprised.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Which leads me to believe that Barbara Walters also agrees with Whoopie as do the rest of the big shots at ABC.

Knucklehead on October 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Where the #&%$ is NOW?????

Laura in Maryland on October 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Same place they were when Letterman demeaned Sarah Palin’s 14 year old daughter.

Dire Straits on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Suffice it to note that Holloweird forgives “Rapin’ Roman’ for his , er, sexual pecadilloes, but shuns “Mad Mel” Gibson for his drunken epithets.

max1 on October 1, 2009 at 12:15 PM

No, they shunned him because he made a Christian film that instead of mocking and denigrating Christianity, it lifted it up and celebrated it.

Oh, and then to rub their noses in it, the film went on to make $1 BILLION worldwide.

Religious_Zealot on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

This is a problem. In muslim communities, this is why the woman is blamed. It is terrible to blame the woman. . . but to suggest that a sexy 13 year old (there are some WELL developed 13 year olds) asking for sex would be the worst crime possible completely misunderstands human nature.

Guys like sex. The whole ‘to catch a predator’ thing is based on this premise. Even if an underaged girl begs you to come over and have sex with her, you are required to deny your natural urges and say no – or you break the law.

Thirteen year old girls in this day and age are perfectly capable of making decisions about what they want and don’t want. . . look at their shopping habits.

ThackerAgency on September 29, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Just reminding everyone how it’s 13 yr. old’s fault because they buy slutty clothes, or something.

thevastlane on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

If Hollywood has so much ‘compassion’, why don’t they petition for the release of Charles Manson??

TN Mom on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

What matters is that this man admitted to having sex with a 13-year-old whose undisputed testimony details how he gave her champagne and Quaaludes, got her naked in a hot tub and wouldn’t listen as she — terrified — said no. He was originally charged with sodomy and rape but agreed to plead to a lesser offense. He jumped bail and fled the country out of fear the judge would give him more prison time than the paltry 42 days supposedly promised by prosecutors. He has been living with impunity and in luxury ever since.

If even the WaPo gets it with this clarity, there is no reason why anybody would be defending this sick bastard. I don’t care what happened to his wife or mom. I don’t care about what a great artist he is. This guy belongs in jail. Sadly, Europe being Europe, my guess is that the bastard will ultimately end up back in France without spending a single day in jail.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

The rule of law looks like a joke in this case. They couldn’t find the guy and arrange his extradition FOR 32 YEARS?!

Christien on October 1, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Let me see if I get this right.

Polanski was arrested while attending a ceremony celebrating his life’s work.

The same people honoring him for what he did years ago want us to ignore what he did years ago.

AaronGuzman on October 1, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Until I read this, I was having difficulty deciding whether to be thankful for the fact that the majority in this nation realizes what scum Polanski and his defenders are or to wring my hands over the fact that even a few are willing to defend him.

I think I’ll rejoice that our true spirit of compassion towards legitimate victims and our common sense are shining through as we contemplate this postponed shot at justice. With America openly expressing its outrage over the belief that Polanski should be pardoned his past sins, I feel much more confident that we are headed in the right direction. You gotta’ come out of the dark sometime.

gopmom on October 1, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Hollywood Moral Compass, Jeffery Jones.

hawkdriver on October 1, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Hollywood should inspect their moral compass; I think it might be out of alignment. Either that, or they are reading it upside down.

Vashta.Nerada on October 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Assuming they can find it in the first place.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I have an idea. All you Hollywood Polanski supporters: Make a stand. For every product you have a hand in, add a GIANT exclaimer: I’m XXXX XXXXX and I support freedom for Roman Polanski. Put this in the advertising, on billboards, etc. This will give the little people the opportunity to decide whether they want to purchase your product.

jack herman on October 1, 2009 at 12:31 PM

They couldn’t find the guy and arrange his extradition FOR 32 YEARS?!

Christien on October 1, 2009 at 12:27 PM

They knew exactly where he was. France refuses to extradite their citizens. Polanski had to leave the country before action could be taken.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Hollywood Moral Compass, Pee-Wee Herman.

hawkdriver on October 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM

This is a problem. In muslim communities, this is why the woman is blamed. It is terrible to blame the woman. . . but to suggest that a sexy 13 year old (there are some WELL developed 13 year olds) asking for sex would be the worst crime possible completely misunderstands human nature.

Guys like sex. The whole ‘to catch a predator’ thing is based on this premise. Even if an underaged girl begs you to come over and have sex with her, you are required to deny your natural urges and say no – or you break the law.

Thirteen year old girls in this day and age are perfectly capable of making decisions about what they want and don’t want. . . look at their shopping habits.

Wowza. I’m in my 30′s and I’m a dancer. I wear 3 inch heels with short skirts and fishnets to dance in.

By this “logic”, because I wear “slutty” clothes to dance in (as is the tradition, I suppose), I’m asking to be raped by all my dance partners. And because I wrap my leg around their waist on the odd occasion during the music, then I’m really asking for it. Right?

mjk on October 1, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Sure alot of them might be liberal, but their political ideology is not related to their support for Polanski. They support him simply because he’s a colleague and they respect his work.

If liberalism were a cause for the support, explain the condemnation from liberals outside Hollywood. Explain the NYT editorial board. Explain me, for gods sake. Polanski is a scumbag supported by his scumbag friends in the movie business. Period.

crr6 on October 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Liberals come in different sub-categories and self-identify as “liberal” for different reasons. It’s easy to extrapolate a philosophical foundation that would be willing to give Polanski a break. It’s also easy to demonstrate how such a foundation could inform a political philosophy.

For example – if we’re willing to assert that Polanski’s films have had a very positive effect on the world, the good he’s done could outweigh the evil he’s done. It’s all in where you place value. This becomes particularly compelling when you reject absolute morality. Post-modernism is quite popular in Hollywood, as evidenced by the surfeit of PoMo ideas in their films. When you take collectivism out to its extreme ends and combine it with post-modernism, weird stuff happens.

Is it all political ideology? No, but then it never is. People are complicated that way. Some of them are defending him because he’s a colleague.
This is, however, evidence of just how far gone some Hollywood types are.

TheUnrepentantGeek on October 1, 2009 at 12:33 PM

For every product you have a hand in, add a GIANT exclaimer: I’m XXXX XXXXX and I support freedom for Roman Polanski.

jack herman on October 1, 2009 at 12:31 PM

It would be more “Hollywood” to come up with ribbon and/or bracelet supporting Polanski and the right of celebs to rape young girls without consequence.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 12:34 PM

I have already e-mailed AllahPundit to register my displeasure regarding the sheer creepiness of that T-mobile ad. Suggestions?

CyberCipher on October 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I’m sure he read your email, CC. Not sure what you’re asking me in terms of suggestions. AP has his reasons for amplifying some things and ignoring others. I guess if our readers want to contact the company, they can. There’s a phone number on their contact page but I couldn’t find a way to email them.

RushBaby on October 1, 2009 at 12:34 PM

shoot him in the head.

ThackerAgency on October 1, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I’d rather have Polanski be imprisoned and at hard labor for 20 years or more to send a clear signal to people around the world that you’re going to have to pay a very steep price if you drug and have sex with a 13 year old. It might well serve as a deterrent for some. Such punishment might also have the benefit of making people who excuse or justify such behavior, as you have, question whether there is something terribly wrong with their thinking and morals when it comes to sex and child safety.

Guys like sex. The whole ‘to catch a predator’ thing is based on this premise. Even if an underaged girl begs you to come over and have sex with her, you are required to deny your natural urges and say no – or you break the law.

Thirteen year old girls in this day and age are perfectly capable of making decisions about what they want and don’t want. . . look at their shopping habits.

ThackerAgency on September 29, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Loxodonta on October 1, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Hollywood Moral Compass, Jeffery Jones.

hawkdriver on October 1, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Good to hear from you Hawkdriver. I hope things are going well for you.

Dire Straits on October 1, 2009 at 12:34 PM

People are complicated that way. Some of them are defending him because he’s a colleague.
This is, however, evidence of just how far gone some Hollywood types are.

TheUnrepentantGeek on October 1, 2009 at 12:33 PM

My favorite (by which a mean the creepiest) line of reasoning I’ve heard is that Americans are just too prudish when it comes to adults drugging and forcing themselves on minors. It apparently happens in Europe all the time.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM

What Hollywood and Liberals call “Compassion”, I call “Acceptance of Sin”.

You CAN Love a person and not accept their actions.

GoodBoy on October 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Amen. The consequences for sin are great. We deserve hell. Christ did not come to earth because man was good enough to save. Christ came because man was so bad and justice required death. He received the punishment we deserved by dying on a cross.

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. – Romans 5:8

shick on October 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Interesting that T-Mobile hasn’t scrubbed their Homepage celebrity endorsement from Whoopi …

RushBaby on October 1, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Thanks for pointing that out. I’m a T-Mobile customer and will write to them to complain.

Mary in LA on October 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM

The Hollywood moral compass lacks anything resembling a ferrous component.

meci on October 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I want to take this opportunity to thank Roman Polanski.

His tireless effort to elude justice have managed to drag a little sanity from nearly 1/3 of a century ago into the present, where people had grow used to “I didn’t have sex with that woman” and “It’s only sex” which had diminished the better of society.

Roman Polanski, you glorious pedophile ba$tard … salute
.. and don’t bend over in prison

J_Crater on October 1, 2009 at 12:37 PM

hawkdriver on October 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Do you have any clue what your situation is now? Do you get to hang in there with your dad for a while.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Hollywood Moral compass, Andy Dick.

hawkdriver on October 1, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I return on the 12th of this month to OEF.

hawkdriver on October 1, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Thanks for pointing that out. I’m a T-Mobile customer and will write to them to complain.

Mary in LA on October 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Be sure to include the full text of Whoopi Goldberg’s Rape-Rape comment.

(Rape-Rape needs to be associated with Whoopi Goldberg’s name for the rest of her career).

RushBaby on October 1, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Be sure to include the full text…

RushBaby on October 1, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Good idea! I’ll do exactly that. Thanks!

Mary in LA on October 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Wowza. I’m in my 30’s and I’m a dancer. I wear 3 inch heels with short skirts and fishnets to dance in.

mjk on October 1, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Wowza!

So, uh, what are ya wearin’ now?

(Just kidding)

Guys like sex. The whole ‘to catch a predator’ thing is based on this premise. Even if an underaged girl begs you to come over and have sex with her, you are required to deny your natural urges and say no – or you break the law.

Every time I see The One on TV, I deny my natural urges, therefore remaining compliant with the law.

As hard as it may seem to accomplish, dear libtards, it is possible. It’s not how much will power you have, it’s how much will not power you have.

BobMbx on October 1, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Compare and contrast:

. . . but to suggest that a sexy 13 year old (there are some WELL developed 13 year olds) asking for sex would be the worst crime possible completely misunderstands human nature.

Guys like sex. The whole ‘to catch a predator’ thing is based on this premise. Even if an underaged girl begs you to come over and have sex with her, you are required to deny your natural urges and say no – or you break the law.

Thirteen year old girls in this day and age are perfectly capable of making decisions about what they want and don’t want. . . look at their shopping habits.

ThackerAgency on September 29, 2009 at 9:58 AM

and

If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… f******, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f*** young girls. Juries want to f*** young girls. Everyone wants to f*** young girls!

Roman Polanski – child rapist – 1979 interview

Religious_Zealot on October 1, 2009 at 12:42 PM

One of my favorite quotes came from another blog I believe was American Thinker but I am not sure. It asked a rhetorical question, “What if Polanski had sodomized Khalid Sheik Mohamed? Everyone in Hollywood wanted GWB/Cheney’s scalp because this was unacceptable torture and could not be tolerated. Now what would they say?

inspectorudy on October 1, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Excellent points that cannot be stressed enough!

Branch Rickey on October 1, 2009 at 12:42 PM

It’s sad to see that some people still don’t get that rape has nothing to do with being attracted to someone or the type of clothes they wear or (a new one) their shopping habits.

The rape of this then 13-year-old girl by Polanski is no different if she had been an 80-year-old woman. Rape is and always will be about abuse, power, and control.

moonsbreath on October 1, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Religious_Zealot on October 1, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Nice to see you back in action, my friend.

kingsjester on October 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Wowza!

So, uh, what are ya wearin’ now?

(Just kidding)

:)

My work clothes. Which involve none of the dance clothes….

My favorite (by which a mean the creepiest) line of reasoning I’ve heard is that Americans are just too prudish when it comes to adults drugging and forcing themselves on minors. It apparently happens in Europe all the time.

I guess that explains why I hated Greece so much….. (shudder)

mjk on October 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Every once in a while, an issue comes along that has such clear-cut implications that it rearranges the usual political alignments

Yeah, I wondered if this would play out to true left/right lines or not… and I learned “not” in short order.

feministe, feministlawpreofessors, and a couple other left-leaning feminist sites were clearly somewhat disturbed that their friends and allies would support rape of a 13 year old girl; so long as the right kind of person was the rapist.

I’m not sure how much fallout will come from this; but learning that your allies will sell out one of your most strongly held beliefs; in order to protect a rapist because he’s a “troubled artist” and that counts more… well, that might cause some people to rethink things just a bit.

gekkobear on October 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

but learning that your allies will sell out one of your most strongly held beliefs … well, that might cause some people to rethink things just a bit.

gekkobear on October 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

From your keyboard to God’s monitor! :-)

Mary in LA on October 1, 2009 at 12:47 PM

hawkdriver on October 1, 2009 at 12:38 PM

You will feel more comfortable with his improvement by then. So sad but it sounds like he was lucky.

Cindy Munford on October 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Nice to see you back in action, my friend.

kingsjester on October 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Thanks kingsjester.

Life gets busy sometimes, but it’s good to get back in the mix.

Religious_Zealot on October 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM

If Hollywood has so much ‘compassion’, why don’t they petition for the release of Charles Manson??

TN Mom on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

SHHHHH! Don’t give them ideas.

Daggett on October 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Rape is and always will be about abuse, power, and control.

moonsbreath on October 1, 2009 at 12:42 PM

And putting immediate self-gratification over the rights and needs of others.

Loxodonta on October 1, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Religious_Zealot on October 1, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Thanks for making that perfectly clear.

Loxodonta on October 1, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Hollywood has the best moral compass, because it has compassion,” Weinstein said.

Hmm, let’s look at Hollywood’s moral compass…

1) Leftwing despots and their henchmen are justified in whatever they do. See Castro, Che, Lenin, etc. If they are guilty of any sins, their opponents are far, far worse. See McCarthy, Reagan, etc.

2) We must dramatically reduce the amount of energy and resources we use in our daily lives. However, art is still more important then the environment, and we should accept that these restrictions will not apply to the Hollywood elites or productions.

3) Capitalism is an evil dirty business and should be replaced by either a corporate or fully socialist system, except for Hollywood, because art is also more important then egalitarianism. On a related note, it is a mortal sin for a CEO to make millions, but it is a moral good that actors can make millions per movie.

4) Bush was an evil tyrant that had to be opposed by any means available, including violence. Obama is a noble genius and needs less accountability and more power, and anyone that has a problem with this is a racist who should be shut up by any mean necessary.

5) Tolerance of others is one of the highest virtues, however, those deemed intolerant should not be allowed to speak publicly on the issues of the day. Intolerance is defined as disagreeing with the Hollywood consensus.

I could go on, but I think these points hit some of the core of said compass.

18-1 on October 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM

“Expert” opinion for this subject will best be supplied by rape victims – not Hollywood directors and actors who sympathize with their rapist friend.

Susan Estrich is an expert on this subject.

perroviejo on October 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM

So, we’re just waiting for the remake of La Femme Nikita, staring Jewel? And Kirstie Alley as the Cleaner.

exception on October 1, 2009 at 12:21 PM

You mean Kirstie “Justice comes in the form of a 45″ Alley?

Blake on October 1, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Hollywood has the “best moral compass”?

In Hollywood, one’s compass consists primarily of his or her genitalia.

TXUS on October 1, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Well, you hit that nail on the head!

Gang-of-One on October 1, 2009 at 12:52 PM

To place any of the blame on the thirteen year old girl is disgusting. Thacker’s comment was disgusting. I don’t give a damn what a man’s “natural urges” are. There is nothing natural about drugging and raping a child. Yes, I said child. Her mom needed her a@# whupped as well. Our job as parents is to protect our children. Like the parents who let their children go have slumber parties with Michael Jackson, they are partially to blame for what happened to their children. I know as a woman, I have a kind of radar for a pervert. God gave us that to protect us and our children.

TXMomof3 on October 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM

GoodSamaritan, I adored Anthony Michael Hall in “The Dead Zone,” a show I watched for weeks before I blinked, sat straight up in shock, and said: “Holy cow, that’s Anthony Michael Hall!”

He was a gawky teen actor who turned out to be a very handsome, very good actor.

Now don’t tell me his politics, I don’t want to know. Leave me my dreams that he is good friends with Gary Sinise and Jon Voight.

bonnie_ on October 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM

ThackerAgency on September 29, 2009 at 9:58 AM

When I was 13, I liked 13 year old girls. When I was in my forties,I didn’t. Polanski obviously never matured emotionally beyond puberty.
It doesn’t matter what she looked like or even what she might have said, he (Polanski) was in his 40′s and knew how old she was, he had to have her mother sign a consent form before he could photograph her. He chose to disregard the law when he abused her and he chose to disregard the law when he skipped bail. Your attempt to somehow lay blame on the girl is pathetic.

oldernwiser on October 1, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Hey, neither am I. I just think it’s required that it’s fun for everyone invloved.

exception on October 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Thacker defended the Chinese use of underage gymnastists in the last Olympics with the arguments that any rule that gets in the way of putting on the best possible show, should be ignored.

MarkTheGreat on October 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

feministe, feministlawpreofessors, and a couple other left-leaning feminist sites were clearly somewhat disturbed that their friends and allies would support rape of a 13 year old girl; so long as the right kind of person was the rapist.

I’ve long been amazed that the ideology of the criminal is important with the so-called womens’ advocacy groups. A case can be made that Bill Clinton was a serial rapist who used his position of power to force women to have sex with him. Certainly, having sex with an intern in a federal office building (which the West Wing is) broke ethics laws at the minimum. Yet the strident feminists took Clinton’s side in the matter because he did so much for females.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

As a mom, I am outraged that anyone would defend this monster.

TN Mom on October 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM

As a non-Mom human being, I agree completely. Those who sexually abuse children should be put down. Period.

Filecchio on October 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Polanski was arrested while attending a ceremony celebrating his life’s work.

One would have thought that a director of Polanski’s alleged skill would have watched “Cops” before – holding ceremonies to honor folks is a common way to apprehend bad guys! Must have been funny as h… to see Roman’s expression when apprehended! Hey, where’s my award and what are those cops doing?” Well, now he can be returned to U.S. and be sentenced for both crimes he is guilty of!

Some things you just have to laugh at!

IntheNet on October 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

A note about Quaaludes. “A friend” from the 70s told me that one Quaalude had the effect of about 8-10 beers on a 175 lb man. Assume this 13 tear-old girl weighed about 110-120 lbs. Polanski got her hammered before assaulting her.

I believe they quit making these for US consumption around 80-81.

perroviejo on October 1, 2009 at 12:57 PM

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I would without a doubt label Bill Clinton a sexual predator. These are the same people who idolized Ted Kennedy.

TXMomof3 on October 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Susan Estrich is an expert on this subject.

perroviejo on October 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Yes and no. As a law professor, woman, and rape victim she has a unique perspective on this particular issue. Nevertheless, she brings up her rape experience in virtually every interview. I’m sorry but there comes a time when a victim of a bad experience needs to simply shut up and get on with life.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM

They couldn’t find the guy and arrange his extradition FOR 32 YEARS?!

Christien on October 1, 2009 at 12:27 PM

They knew exactly where he was, France refused to extradite.
What was CA supposed to do, hire Blackwater to go get him?

MarkTheGreat on October 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM

At Dennis Miller’s suggestion, I sought out and read the court transcript of the Polanski case.

Read them.

What this man did to this little girl is nothing more than boiler plate pedophiliac seduction and was absolutely disgusting by any measure.

That these entertainment moguls would offer their support and call for amnesty for Polanski is beyond the pale. I know everything I need to know about the vast majority of movies coming out of the pit of h*ll we call Hollywood. These perverts are devoid of decency and appropriately placed compassion and deserve no hearing in our society.

Linnea on October 1, 2009 at 1:00 PM

why don’t they petition for the release of Charles Manson??

TN Mom on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Manson doesn’t make good movies.

MarkTheGreat on October 1, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Suffice it to note that Holloweird forgives “Rapin’ Roman’ for his , er, sexual pecadilloes, but shuns “Mad Mel” Gibson for his drunken epithets.

max1 on October 1, 2009 at 12:15 PM
No, they shunned him because he made a Christian film that instead of mocking and denigrating Christianity, it lifted it up and celebrated it.

Oh, and then to rub their noses in it, the film went on to make $1 BILLION worldwide.

Religious_Zealot on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Zackly Zealot!

max1 on October 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM

One would have thought that a director of Polanski’s alleged skill would have watched “Cops” before – holding ceremonies to honor folks is a common way to apprehend bad guys!

IntheNet on October 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

He is skillful. That’s why the phone call telling him he had won a VCR in a raffle didn’t work. The awards ceremony ruse is the way famous people get nabbed. :-0

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM

What this man did to this little girl is nothing more than boiler plate pedophiliac seduction and was absolutely disgusting by any measure.

That these entertainment moguls would offer their support and call for amnesty for Polanski is beyond the pale. I know everything I need to know about the vast majority of movies coming out of the pit of h*ll we call Hollywood. These perverts are devoid of decency and appropriately placed compassion and deserve no hearing in our society.

Linnea on October 1, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Have you heard the “since he didn’t get caught again he must have been sorry” refrain?

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Manson doesn’t make good movies.

MarkTheGreat on October 1, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I hear tell that he used to do some pretty good music. Just ask some of the Beach Boys.

mjk on October 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I can’t stand the hollyweird crowd. I refuse to call them celebrities and other than football, I will not watch any movies or tv on nbc, abc, or any of the local networks.

I won’t even watch espn anymore as those people are as liberal as they come.

So I’ve put on a few pounds watching food network and close my nose and watch O’reilly, but I refuse to watch anything with those pukes in it.

elifino on October 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM

One needs to understand that in Hollywood “compassion” is a functionally meaningless term. That is to say, while it may be highly prized as a notion of being, in reality it is an affectation. The reason is simple: it has nothing to do with talent or making money. Hollywood is a talent-driven culture. As long as an actor or director has talent, and generates revenue and aggregates popularity because of that talent, his compassion or lack of it means nothing. Why wouldn’t it?

At the same time, naturally, there is an overweening, compensatory need in Hollywood to be seen as compassionate or as valuing compassion. Humans need this self-identification, and people who essentially don’t value compassion in an everyday, real-world sense probably need it more. This is why people in Hollywood talk more about “compassion” than, say, people in a small-town in Iowa do. To those people, it has a functional, real-world value. They don’t need to talk about it; they live it.

An interesting recent movie on this subject was “Funny People.” A subtext of the film was even that compassion may be detrimental to one’s talent, and in some ways serve as a kind of anathema.

rrpjr on October 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Kirstie Alley is on the right side of this issue too. Note the snotty comments about her “rants” from the jackass gossip columnist, Josh Grossberg.

Buy Danish on October 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM

What this man did to this little girl is nothing more than boiler plate pedophiliac seduction and was absolutely disgusting by any measure.

Hollywoods’ response to that claim:

“yeah, maybe so, but she was smokin’ hot. I don’t blame him, plus, he didn’t rape-rape her.”

BobMbx on October 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM

feministe, feministlawpreofessors, and a couple other left-leaning feminist sites were clearly somewhat disturbed that their friends and allies would support rape of a 13 year old girl; so long as the right kind of person was the rapist.

gekkobear on October 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

They supported Bill Clinton for years. The head of NOW even proposed the law be modified to provide one free grope.

MarkTheGreat on October 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Have you heard the “since he didn’t get caught again he must have been sorry” refrain?

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

AnninCA was running with that meme, but to her and all the rest that claim he never did anything like that again, I have two words:

Nastassja Kinski.

Religious_Zealot on October 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM

There are more then a couple of posters here who thinks that Polanski should not be convicted….
ThackerAgency, and AnninCA are two that come to mind…they both think it is no big deal. It happened 32 years ago (Annin), and Thacker just thinks it is no big deal to rape a 13 year old because of her shopping habits…and I am not making that up.

right2bright on October 1, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Naaah, didn’t you read TA’s post Shoot him in the head? Today he’s a blood luster./s

Oh, and you forgot to mention that he sees well developed sexy 13 year old girls everywhere he goes, which tells me everything I need to know.

Gang-of-One on October 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM

They have compassion for a child rapist but not the child rapist’s victim, how quaint that’s so special NOT.

They can’t force anyone to watch any of their movies and fill their coffers.

This guy is bragging about a non existent Moral Compass in Hollywood, and he is missing one of the oldest rules – the law of nature. What Goes Around Comes Around. Defend a Child Rapist publicly or privately, and you invite Karma to your door. Good Luck with That Harvey Weinstein & Whoopi Goldberg.

Dr Evil on October 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM

But . . . but . . . but . . . We made a movie and everything! The movie was great so Roman must be innocent.

Captain Kirock on October 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I can’t wait for the Hollywood NAMBLA movie. Gad that place is such a cesspool.

Fishoutofwater on October 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Are we to assume that the Hollywood glitterati understand the significance of a “Road to Damascus” moment? I’m thinking not…

College Prof on October 1, 2009 at 1:12 PM

They can’t force anyone to watch any of their movies and fill their coffers.

Dr Evil on October 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I hear that Obama is working on that.

MarkTheGreat on October 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM

If liberalism were a cause for the support, explain the condemnation from liberals outside Hollywood. Explain the NYT editorial board. Explain me, for gods sake. Polanski is a scumbag supported by his scumbag friends in the movie business. Period.

crr6 on October 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Can you process content? Seriously? I said, not all liberals are supporting him. Duh. That’s the point of this post, but everyone who supports him is liberal! There are no conservatives supporting him. It is relevent. Stop trying to have it both ways. If he was a Evangelical and other Evangelicals supported him, their conservatism would be pointed out in every article! Sarah Palin’s co-author is supposedly a right-wing, Christian. What that has to do w/that person’s ability to write, I don’t know, but that info. is now all over the place. If that’s relevent, then so is the point that only “liberals” support Polanski. Get a grip! Truth hurts.

JAM on October 1, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I can’t wait for the Hollywood NAMBLA movie. Gad that place is such a cesspool.

Fishoutofwater on October 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM

From today’s Washington Examiner. Just one more reason to “thank” those that voted for the filthy lying coward in the White House.

Obama appointee lauded NAMBLA figure
By: Mark Tapscott
Editorial Page Editor
10/01/09 12:40 PM EDT
Kevin Jennings, President Obama’s Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug FreeSchools at the U.S. Department of Education, is in hot water this week for having failed to report that a 15-year-old sophomore student in his school had told him of having sex with an older man.

But failure to report what appeared to be a case of statuatory rape of a child may be the least of Jennings’ worries. Lori Roman of Regular Folks United points to statements by Jennings a decade or more ago when he praised Harry Hay of the North American Association for Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which promotes the legalization of sexual abuse of young boys by older men.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 1:16 PM

If 100 Hollywood types signed this petition, and every single one of them had a mustache, then it would be within the bounds of reason to ask if having a mustache causes one to support this kind of debauchery. Especially if someone were to come up with a reasonable sounding theory to support such a congecture.

This would go double, if those objecting were pretty much mustache free.

MarkTheGreat on October 1, 2009 at 1:17 PM

why don’t they petition for the release of Charles Manson??

TN Mom on October 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I am sure they would love to but given the fact that they are on Polanski’s side it wouldn’t look good to petition for the freedom of the man who was responsible for his wife and unborn childs murder.

proudteadrinker on October 1, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Just another case against progressives…every time progressives go on record with their inherent insanity, they move conservatism more to the fore front. These people are so out of touch with reality, they actually think that normal people identify with their pathological view of society. Every time one of their representative morons open their mouth, their agenda takes a nose-dive with Americans. Since Democrats are in bed with these people, it’s also having a big effect on their political agendas.

I’m hoping that they continue with their insane rants at least until next November.

orlandocajun on October 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM

The question is, will the glove fit?

percysunshine on October 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Hollywood has compassion for the Perps not the Victims.

Christian Conservative on October 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM

<blockquoteHollywood is a talent-driven culture. As long as an actor or director has talent, and generates revenue and aggregates popularity because of that talent, his compassion or lack of it means nothing. Why wouldn’t it?

Wait…do you mean that Hollywood culture is capitalistic?
Do they realize that they drive the machine they rage against?

Linnea on October 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Not all Liberals are supporting Polanski but I think people get confused because Liberals refuse to define themselves from others who pretend they are Liberal but really Hedonist.

I see the label Classic Liberal used more and more often but not used by Liberals themselves. If they don’t get they don’t want guilt by association of people who pretend -hide behind what they say and do as just being Liberal – Liberal will continue to be used derisively. So be it if they don’t care I don’t care it is one of the major reasons this country is so polarized politically.

Dr Evil on October 1, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Hollywood has compassion for the Perps not the Victims.

Christian Conservative on October 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Unless the victim is homosexual and they can somehow blame the crime on Christians.

highhopes on October 1, 2009 at 1:26 PM

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