Senate committee rejects amendments enforcing immigration check, blocking abortion funding

posted at 2:18 pm on September 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

During his speech to Congress, Barack Obama derided the notion that ObamaCare would pay for abortions and for health insurance for illegal immigrants as “false”, a “misunderstanding” spread by opponents who wanted to derail his efforts to reinvent the American health-care system:

There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants.  This, too, is false – the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. And one more misunderstanding I want to clear up – under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.

Charles Grassley and Orrin Hatch took Obama at his word — and discovered that Democrats have a much different plan than what Obama said three weeks ago today.  Hatch offered an amendment to the Baucus plan in the Senate Finance Committee that would have required that no plan receiving federal funding pay for abortions.  It failed, 10-13, on almost a party-line vote:

The Senate Finance Committee rejected an amendment to its healthcare bill Wednesday that would have required women to purchase a separate, supplemental insurance plan to cover abortion services.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) proposed the amendment with the goal of making existing laws against federal money being used to pay for abortions, and the language in the healthcare bill, ironclad.

“All I’m asking — my gosh — is for specific language in the bill that prohibits federal dollars from being used to fund abortions,” Hatch said. …

Democrats on the committee, along with pro-abortion-rights Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine) rejected Hatch’s argument, saying it would be unfair to require women to purchase separate insurance coverage for abortion services. Such a requirement, Snowe said, would raise privacy issues by asking women to anticipate their need for abortion coverage.

Kent Conrad (D-ND) crossed over to support Hatch’s amendment.

Baucus argued that the existing Hyde Amendment and other rules in his new plan would keep federal money from flowing to abortions.  However, the Hyde Amendment only covers monies distributed in HHS appropriations; any other funds used in ObamaCare would not be subject to its restrictions.

As Hatch argued in his effort to pass the amendment, the Baucus bill establishes a “segregation” of federal subsidies from premiums paid by policyholders in order to argue that it would be the latter that would fund abortion coverage.  That’s simply absurd.  In that arrangement, the funds are completely fungible, since the policyholder would merge them to pay the single bill.  The government would still be giving funds to insurers through the policyholder that would go towards abortions.

Afterward, it was Grassley’s turn for disillusionment:

Senate Finance Committee Democrats rejected a proposed a requirement that immigrants prove their identity with photo identification when signing up for health insurance or tax credits under healthcare reform.

Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said that current law and the healthcare bill under consideration are too lax and leave the door open to illegal immigrants defrauding the government using false or stolen identities to obtain benefits.

Grassley’s amendment was beaten back 10-13 on a party-line vote.

Will Obama demand that Democrats quit contributing to mythmaking?  I’m not holding my breath.

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Circling the tube… round and round…

Akzed on September 30, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Somebody lied.

Vashta.Nerada on September 30, 2009 at 2:20 PM

These people couldn’t manage a McDonald’s properly. And they’re running government. Greeeaaaat

bridgetown on September 30, 2009 at 2:21 PM

To Dear Liar:

You lie!

rbj on September 30, 2009 at 2:21 PM

This bill is like roadkill. The longer it sits there, the worse it smells.

Vashta.Nerada on September 30, 2009 at 2:21 PM

The entire process has devolved into ideological nonsense. No wonder people, real people, are turned off.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:22 PM

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Are you saying that I was not a real person before?

PappaMac on September 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM

No wonder people, real people, are turned off. AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:22 PM

As opposed to Obooba, Baucus…

Akzed on September 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM

There seems to be a very pronounced disconnect between ObamaCare as the Salesman in Chief pitches it and it’s reality. He just says it’s whatever he thinks will sell the best while seemingly not even bothering to look at the product.

MB4 on September 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM

They all must be GOP operatives working to destroy the Democrat Party from within! It’s the ONLY explanation for such mind boggling stupidity! Except unless they’re really that stupid, in which case HEAD FOR THE HILLS!

Orange Doorhinge on September 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine) rejected Hatch’s argument, saying it would be unfair to require women to purchase separate insurance coverage for abortion services. Such a requirement, Snowe said, would raise privacy issues by asking women to anticipate their need for abortion coverage

But requiring women to get state-run insurance or they go to jail isn’t unfair or a violation of privacy at all. oh dear no. And Obama shoots fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his you-know-what.

TheQuestion on September 30, 2009 at 2:25 PM

He lied AGAIN!

ObamatheMessiah on September 30, 2009 at 2:25 PM

the more they do this, the more they are exposed as the liars and frauds they are…especially King O….

Bring on the mid-terms!

SDarchitect on September 30, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Will the media report this in any detail? I have not hooked-up my television since 2004. If the slugs out there are not made aware…. I am cynical/realistic about this. 2010 will tell.

Nyssan on September 30, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Obama’s a liar. Suprised?

Rode Werk on September 30, 2009 at 2:26 PM

In unison now…..

Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm
Barack Hussein Obama

CC

CapedConservative on September 30, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Demoliars.

WannabeAnglican on September 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Will Obama demand that Democrats quit contributing to mythmaking? I’m not holding my breath.

More importantly…will Grassley finally learn that the Dems are playing him like a grand piano?

AUINSC on September 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Tit for tat?

Mr. Joe on September 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM

CapedConservative on September 30, 2009 at 2:26 PM

lol, you gotta stop. I’ve been singing this in my head all afternoon.
It’s enough to drive one mad!

bridgetown on September 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Dear Leader owes Joe Wilson an apology from the house floor

BuckNutty on September 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM

The bill, authored by committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), would require applicants to verify their names, places of birth and Social Security numbers. In addition, legal immigrants would have to wait five years, as under current law, after obtaining citizenship or legal residency to access federal healthcare benefits such as Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program or receive tax credits or purchase insurance through the exchange created by the legislation.

But the would not require them to show a photo ID, such as a drivers license.

–There are other mechanisms already in the bill for verification.

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I think we’re just in the next stage of shock, over the crash.

Reality starts to break through.

The old ideological debates are suddenly seeming out-of-whack.

They are.

It’s time for reflection. This isn’t a culture that is King of the Hill.

We are finally starting to take our real place, which is no better than other countries with a strong economy.

In fact, we’re now not so strong.

Gone are the days when we think we can dominate. Good riddance, I say.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Color me shocked! /s

When they have an opportunity to “prove” that the Obama is telling the truth about “no abortion funding and no illegal usage” they pass it up. Whatever is a cynic to think?

katiejane on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Oba-Mao lies, didn’t you know that all commies lie?

tarpon on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Since the Dems desired endgame is complete gov’t single payer healthcare, banning something from government funding would result in outlawing it when that is achieved.

zmdavid on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

As Hatch argued in his effort to pass the amendment, the Baucus bill establishes a “segregation” of federal subsidies from premiums paid by policyholders in order to argue that it would be the latter that would fund abortion coverage. That’s simply absurd. In that arrangement, the funds are completely fungible, since the policyholder would merge them to pay the single bill. The government would still be giving funds to insurers through the policyholder that would go towards abortions.

–So, Ed, are you saying that if you now have private insurance that covers abortions, your premium dollars now fund abortions by others?

Jimbo3 on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Obama’s word is now only good for three weeks. He needs to start irradiating his speeches so they last longer.

pedestrian on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

YOU LIE! YOU LIE!
We’re on to you!

o/t the mom on Rush….ditto Mom, we are with you!

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Such a requirement, Snowe said, would raise privacy issues by asking women to anticipate their need for abortion coverage.

HHHMMM boy do they talk in circles. So the abortion privacy is an issue but, the overall invasion of privacy of the ENTIRE HC bill is OK!???? UNBELIEVABLE!

xler8bmw on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Obama Presidency is going to be destroyed by one issue, must suck to be Obama right now.

lavell12 on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Someone had better pay attenttion to Rush’s latest announcement on how we will wake up next Thurasday morning with a single payer government run healthcare bill passed through the Senate as an amendment to a tarp bill passed already in the house. It will take 60 votes to defeat the filibuster but then only 51, it will be added as an AMENDMENT

The Dem party plans on ramming this thing while we are sleeping, celebrating! Don’t celebrate call your critters and scumbags and tell them no bill or their gone!

dhunter on September 30, 2009 at 2:31 PM

JACKPOT!!

rjoco1 on September 30, 2009 at 2:31 PM

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Wow. Wasn’t she incredible?

kingsjester on September 30, 2009 at 2:31 PM

We are finally starting to take our real place, which is no better than other countries with a strong economy.

In fact, we’re now not so strong.

Gone are the days when we think we can dominate. Good riddance, I say.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Please tell me you didn’t breed, Ann.
Now, if you don’t believe this country is great, why don’t you get the hell out of here?
I believe this country is great.
I believe that we will take this country back from crap like you and we will make it great again.
I believe that people like YOU ANN are the reason that we are in this situation in the first place.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Wow. Wasn’t she incredible?

kingsjester on September 30, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Absolutely!

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM

As much as I would like to think this is dead. Rush was talking about how they are going to slip it through by attaching it to a different house bill on his show in the first hour. He was saying it could be a done deal by next Thursday.

MobileVideoEngineer on September 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Baucus argued that the existing Hyde Amendment and other rules in his new plan would keep federal money from flowing to abortions

Strange thinking – the plans currently available to federal employees do not pay for abortions because the govt contributes part of the premium. There is no mechanism for “separating” govt money from the employees’ money.

katiejane on September 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I can only retype what I’ve been writing for a while now: the Left/Democrats, especially in Congress, are despicable, are treacherous, are not representing the Constitution, appear to be actually deconstructing the Constitution and they are not revealing just why. There IS a motive there, unfortunately.

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

I was listening to the mom on Rush and am now in tears. Gosh America, we need to get our Republic back asap.
L

letget on September 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Barack Obama is Joe Isuzu’s twin brother.

Joe Isuzu
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joe Isuzu was a fictional spokesman used in a series of television advertisements for Isuzu. Created by the Madison Avenue ad agency Della Femina, Travisano, and Partners, the segments aired on American television in 1986-90, reaching their zenith in 1987 after the character was featured during Super Bowl XXI. Played by actor David Leisure, Joe Isuzu was a pathological liar who made outrageous and overinflated claims about Isuzu’s cars. (One commercial even cast him as the Boy who Cried Wolf.) The campaign was resurrected briefly in 1999 and continued until 2001 to promote several cars such as the Isuzu Axiom. Famous quotes:

* “You have my word on it.”
* “If I’m lying, may lightning hit my mother.” (“Good luck, Mom!” appears on screen.)
* “It has more seats than the Astrodome!”
* “Hi, I’m Joe Isuzu and I used my new Isuzu pickup truck to carry a 2,000 pound cheeseburger.”
* “The Isuzu Impulse: faster than a speeding—[catches a bullet in his teeth]—well, you know.”

The character became a fixture in American popular culture. In 1988 Michael Dukakis, in a debate with George H. W. Bush during that year’s United States presidential election, said, “If Bush keeps it up, he’s going to be the Joe Isuzu of American politics.”

MB4 on September 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Gone are the days when we think we can dominate. Good riddance, I say.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

And why are they gone? Because Osama Obama and the America-haters in Congress, the scum who won’t rest until we are a third-world country struggling for even basic survival, put us there!

“Good riddance?”

If you want a world of the kind the Chicago Jesus dreams of for us, move to Kenya. Or Iran. Or North Korea. Or any other totalitarian hellhole of your choice.

MrScribbler on September 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Gone are the days when we think we can dominate. Good riddance, I say.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

If you find a successful USA to hard for your nuanced sensibilities, why not give Cuba (Coooba) or Venesuala, or even Pokeeestan a try?

ttime500 on September 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Baucus is engaged in back-door manipulations. That’s as clear as anything from his behaviors.

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Please tell me you didn’t breed, Ann.
Now, if you don’t believe this country is great, why don’t you get the hell out of here?
I believe this country is great.
I believe that we will take this country back from crap like you and we will make it great again.
I believe that people like YOU ANN are the reason that we are in this situation in the first place.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I believe we’re not only great, we’re terrific. But that doesn’t mean we call the shots forever.

Nonsense.

We’re not in a position to call the shots. We have truly bankrupted our country with bad war choices. That’s reality.

We’re broke. Broke.

Bush broke us, too. Iraq broke us.

That’s just reality.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Baucus is engaged in back-door manipulations. That’s as clear as anything from his behaviors.

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Did he do a photo shoot with Polanski, too?

ttime500 on September 30, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Gone are the days when we think we can dominate. Good riddance, I say.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Why not go to Ghana and start a new ‘temple’ down there? It seems that it’d fulfill your general attitude well, a cult in the jungle being told when to sit, stand, sleep, talk, not talk, what to think, wear, not to wear, like that. All your worries, taken care of for you!

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:37 PM

lol, you gotta stop. I’ve been singing this in my head all afternoon.
It’s enough to drive one mad!

bridgetown on September 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I’m sorry… I’ve become Pavlov’s dog… every time I read/see/hear of something Obama does, that chant automatically comes to mind. It has been, on average, once an hour today.

CC

CapedConservative on September 30, 2009 at 2:37 PM

That’s just reality.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM

No, dear, that is NOT reality.
What broke us is legislation coming out of the halls of congress. Fannie/Freddie to name just one. On and on and on.
You’re living in a fantasy world.

bridgetown on September 30, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Did he do a photo shoot with Polanski, too?

ttime500 on September 30, 2009 at 2:37 PM

There’s a genuine equivalency there, no doubt about it.

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Bush broke us, too. Iraq broke us.

That’s just reality.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Wrong again, as usual. Obama is breaking us. Iraq was a drop in obama’s new world order of trillion dollar deficits.
We are great, you idiot. We will continue to be great, despite idiots like you and obama.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I say the same thing to progressives wanting free healthcare.

Here’s the reality. We ARE BROKE.

We’re no longer in charge of global security. And we can’t bail out even our own people.

WE ARE BROKE.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:38 PM

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Wow. Wasn’t she incredible?

kingsjester on September 30, 2009 at 2:31 PM

That woman was on fire. White Hot passion unleashed; and Rush just let it ride baby. She is till talking.

Geochelone on September 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM

We’re broke. Broke.

Bush broke us, too. Iraq broke us.

That’s just reality.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Can’t be true… how else could Obama be spending TWICE AS MUCH in only 8 months?

CC

CapedConservative on September 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Bush broke us, too. Iraq broke us.

That’s just reality.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Your SPIRIT is broken. Bush had nothing to do with that, it’s your fault for following all the wrong signs.

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Doesn’t matter what you say. We are living off off of debt. We are broke.

At this point, it’s bluster.

And prayer that the economy revives.

That’s all we’ve got.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Can’t be true… how else could Obama be spending TWICE AS MUCH in only 8 months?

CC

CapedConservative on September 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Oh, gosh, Obama was elected when people were in a whirlwind of emotions.

That’s all.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM

We’re broke. Broke.

Bush broke us, too. Iraq broke us.

That’s just reality.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM

The fraudulent stimulus cost more than Iraq.

Vashta.Nerada on September 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:38 PM

+1. Hey, do you have your Halloween costume ready? I’m thinkin’ feathers might be nice touch.

Geochelone on September 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

And prayer that the economy revives.

That’s all we’ve got.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM

No praying – might offend the atheists.

katiejane on September 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

YOU LIE! YOU LIE!
We’re on to you!

o/t the mom on Rush….ditto Mom, we are with you!

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I thought for a second AnninCA had called Rush!!
I agree an excellent Mom call on Rush.

Dire Straits on September 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Danger Will Robinson…Troll Thread Hijacking in progress. The American people are not going to stand for all this garbage any more. Boooosh did not bankrupt this country. Obama is destroying this country to make it over into a Marxist nation. This woman on Rush is firing me up too. Vote all the crooks out and leave Obama on his lonesome without a Congress to back him up. Stand up and be counted, America!

kingsjester on September 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Obama Presidency is going to be destroyed by one issue, must suck to be Obama right now.

lavell12 on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

God’s judgement. “And right quick.”

God’s got His own schedule and for those with faith in God’s Goodness, well, judgement comes for those who harm the littlest of God’s creatures. God’s not mocked.

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I personally think it’s going to turn out just fine. We’ll adjust.

Goodness, the US was begging for support in its infancy. So long as we hold onto real Democratic principles, this form of government will survive.

It’s simply smart.

But right now?

We are so broke. We took on way too much global responsibility after WWII. We fancied ourselves more than any nation could be.

And that has bankrupted us.

We just have to do what people do when bankrup.

Regroup. Go forward.

It’s not the end of the world.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Danger Will Robinson…Troll Thread Hijacking in progress. The American people are not going to stand for all this garbage any more. Boooosh did not bankrupt this country. Obama is destroying this country to make it over into a Marxist nation. This woman on Rush is firing me up too. Vote all the crooks out and leave Obama on his lonesome without a Congress to back him up. Stand up and be counted, America!

kingsjester on September 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM

AGREED. I think most of us know what’s what with that same old method; it’s old, you’re right, we should all move on.

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM

No praying – might offend the atheists.

katiejane on September 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Cute. *haha

But I never care what others are “offended” by. There is nothing wrong with prayer. It’s just a “good thought.”

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM

The fraudulent stimulus cost more than Iraq.

Vashta.Nerada on September 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Excellent truth-to-wisdom statement, there, Vashta!

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Gahh, sorry, typed the wrong word ^^.

The fraudulent stimulus cost more than Iraq.

Vashta.Nerada on September 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Excellent truth-to-wisdom statement, there, Vashta!

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Should read:

Excellent truth-to-nonwisdom statement, there, Vashta!

Lourdes on September 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Reality starts to break through.

It’s time for reflection

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Ok, I’ve reflected.

Now let me ask you: What reality are you referring to? The reality in Bizzaro World?

Oh, one last thing: Good riddance, I say.

Gang-of-One on September 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:38 PM
+1. Hey, do you have your Halloween costume ready? I’m thinkin’ feathers might be nice touch.

Geochelone on September 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Feathers, yes. Rhinestone thong…having second thoughts.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Seriously what alternative universe do you live in?

xler8bmw on September 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM

There seems to be a very pronounced disconnect between ObamaCare as the Salesman in Chief pitches it and it’s reality. He just says it’s whatever he thinks will sell the best while seemingly not even bothering to look at the product.
MB4 on September 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Welcome to the Dilbert era of American politics!

Blacksmith on September 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM

AUINSC on September 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I can guarentee you that Grassley knows what he is doing–I call his office about every two weeks–he is my Senator. I am now calling him about the stealth amendment that the dems will try to pass next week…

lovingmyUSA on September 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/

xler8bmw on September 30, 2009 at 2:49 PM

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Seriously what alternative universe do you live in?

xler8bmw on September 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I say we make idiot soilent green and sell it to China for profit….Ann, you’re first.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Rhinestone thong…having second thoughts.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Although that sounds stunning, it also sound really uncomfortable.

Cindy Munford on September 30, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Feathers, yes. Rhinestone thong…having second thoughts.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Kinda cold here in Iowa…

lovingmyUSA on September 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM

By Ed’s logic, any person who receives a subsidy on their insurance should be ineligible for supplemental abortion coverage by private insurance since the fungible cash from the subsidy can used for the supplementary coverage. Hell, any student that gets a Pell Grant, any farmer who gets a subsidy, any Defense Department consultant with a current contract…

Republicans aren’t voting for this under any circumstance. They don’t get to make any of the rules or define any of the terms. They made their choice, they can live with it.

Bleeds Blue on September 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM

What I’m talking about?

The REAL public can’t stand GOP OR DEM.

It’s simple.

There IS no partinship going on. Real voters hate them all! LOL*

And rightly so.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Obama is officially a lame duck.

WisCon on September 30, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Cindy, how are you? I haven’t seen you around for a few days.nights…

lovingmyUSA on September 30, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I’m throwing a party when Ann finally leaves us for good! Who wants to come?

AsianGirlInTights on September 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Obama is officially a lame duck.

WisCon on September 30, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Well at least he has been successful at something!

xler8bmw on September 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Look at the real polls, people. You’re off here talking like you gain power with this story or that story.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the people willing to identify with the GOP is down to what….28%. And the Dems are losing daily, too.

Get a clue.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I’m throwing a party when Ann finally leaves us for good! Who wants to come?

AsianGirlInTights on September 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I’ll bring the Jager.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM

America IS a great nation. Not was. The Far Left and America Apologists are not the majority of the American people. It is time to call Congress and not just say NO but He@@ NO! I am so tired of putting up with the garbage from the Elitists, the Statists, the Psuedo-Intellectuals, the “Concern Trolls” and the State-Run Media I can’t stand it anymore. I’m not taking it anymore. This my country. the country my father landed in Normandy to protect. This fight is not finished. Not by a long shot.

kingsjester on September 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Bush broke us, too. Iraq broke us.

That’s just reality.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Just can’t get over that booosh derangement syndrom…

SHARPTOOTH on September 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM

That’s just reality.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Something you know nothing about.

Knucklehead on September 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM

I say we make idiot soilent green and sell it to China for profit….Ann, you’re first.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:49 PM

No please! I have family there!

AsianGirlInTights on September 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Get a clue.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Pot…meet kettle. LOL*

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Obama Lied
Joe Wilson was Right

The demoRats and Obama had every intention to allow illegals and abortion in this sham-care bill

Kini on September 30, 2009 at 2:54 PM

The entire process has devolved into ideological nonsense. No wonder people, real people, are turned off.

AnninCA on September 30, 2009 at 2:22 PM

What you don’t seem to understand, is that the process hasn’t devolved into anything. This is THE process and this is why we don’t want the government running anything.

jhffmn on September 30, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I say we make idiot soilent green and sell it to China for profit….Ann, you’re first.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:49 PM
No please! I have family there!

AsianGirlInTights on September 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Tell them to stay away from the ‘ANNinaCAN’ soilent green. Every bite, you lose IQ points.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again today, the DEMS can see the writing on the wall with Obamacare. Polling indicates opposition grows by the day. They are simply going through the motions of being as liberal as they possibly can only to appease their ultra-lefty base. When it all goes down in flames, they can tell their base “we tried.” Then they will, of course, blame the racist Republicans and start campaigning for mid-terms. Of course they’ll fail to mention that it failed because of the public option (which Americans don’t want) nor will they mention it failed because of illegal immigrants being covered and abortions being covered. No, they’ll find poor souls all across this country and put them in ads claiming that the aforementioned racist Republicans just signed their death warrants. Of course much of it will be false, but you know…

Oink on September 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Feathers, yes. Rhinestone thong…having second thoughts.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM

ROTFLMAO.

Yur the best come-back artist in the business; got a flair for cheeky humor too.

Geochelone on September 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine) rejected Hatch’s argument, saying it would be unfair to require women to purchase separate insurance coverage for abortion services. Such a requirement, Snowe said, would raise privacy issues by asking women to anticipate their need for abortion coverage.

Excuse me, but WHAT THE EVER LIVING EFF!!! Are you kidding me? Insurance for abortions? Are they really that expensive and necessary for everyday health care? And what type of whore does this? “Hey boys, Im open for business! And don’t worry about stupid birth control, my insurance is paid up!”

Man, I really hate people and the state of this world sometimes.

Spectreman on September 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Call ‘em out Obama! They’re lying.

Oh, nevermind.

SouthernGent on September 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Joe Wilson spoke the truth!!!

thmcbb on September 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM

She as awesome! I’m going to listen to it again later from his website.

ladyingray on September 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM

o/t, but the scumbag that buried Jessica Lunsford alive after repeatedly raping her has died.
Hope hell is hot enough for you, scumbag.

HornetSting on September 30, 2009 at 2:59 PM

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