2012 isn’t that far away and we can rid ourselves of some of his cronies in the 2010 elections.

Seccssion is more likely than a coup.

I can’t belive these “geezers” got the guption or the nature…?

Olde CMS never die they just “fade away…”!

My apologies all you “jerkbah, jerkbah’s”…!
Yah me…
Sorry…sorry…sorry!

I’ll be back “jerkbahas”…!

Didn’t mean to lean yeh up against…
No Ha..Ha…

LTC John on September 30, 2009 at 11:40 PM

My apologies , Sir…!
I’m an olde Special Forces NCO…
Lossin’ ground as the creek rises…!

My Team Sergeant was an E8, Army, Master, Sergeant.
My Group Sergeant Major, was an E9, [CSM]

Thank you fore your indulgence…!
I certainly appreciate you corrections…

I’ll shoot your sorry arse “completely dead” the next time we meet!

Sir!

LTC John on September 30, 2009 at 11:40 PM

What can I say… Sir?
You were a “Lieutenant” Colonel…!

Olde “Buck” Sergeant Yosarian… sends all the very best, Sir…!

:)

I was enlisted back in the day – I still jump, just a little, when I see a CSM.

Ahh, the redneck revolution theory. If the losers that showed up on 9/12 to waddle around Washington are who would lead the charge that would be some real must see tv! Pay per view, baby!

simplesimon on September 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Of course, Cindy Sheehan and the Code Pink Uglies were so much more effective at leading the charge to end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, weren’t they? And look how President I Won is ending them so swiftly…………

Oh, wait……….

There’s a bumping Uglies joke in there somewhere, isn’t there?

Subsunk

“…officers/NCOs would turn them in or, well, just shoot them and then turn them in.
It just ain’t, despite your best fevered fantasies, gonna happen.” E9RET on September 30, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Hey “Top” …I’m thinkin’ both you and I might have been around…. though never involved, when that actually happened…on occasion?

It may have been for different reasons; however, the results were the same.

Bottom Line: It is not impossible that a coup could occur. But military officers and senior enlisted folks are smart guys who find other ways to make sure the guns stay silent, and the people and the Constitution stay safe. Too much heartache and discontent on this subject with a decided lack of beef and fire underlying it all.

Subsunk

A little scenario for ya …

Walk with me …

In 2009 the Democratic Congress forces through leviathon stimulus, health care, and cap and trade bills which place the government in debt to the tune of TRILLIONS. A Liberty Movement arises which sees a million middle class people march on Washington DC and in major cities throughout the nation. It starts out peaceful.

However, as the full impact of the stimulus, health care, and cap and trade bills is explained to the American people – the Liberty Movement grows and anger with Democrats rises.

In the elections of 2010, the Democrats experience what should be a bloodbath at the polls – but there appears to be some widespread voting fraud. This fraud blunts, to a certain extent, the GOP reemergence in Congress. The Press covers for the voting fraud and the liberal judges ratify Democratic candidates who are the beneficiaries of said fraud.

The people lose confidence in their government – now the protests in the streets turn violent in some cities.

Shocked at the fraud – and to government reaction over the protests – a few states ban together and announce they will seceed from the union unless the fraudulent elections are thrown out and the government promises not to exceed it’s Constitutional authority.

With no change from the government – the states seceed – and seize all federal property within their borders.

Obama orders the military to take back the outlaw states.

Now the Generals have a choice … Carry out their duties even though they know they will be supporting an illegal government – or take actions into their own hands and remove Obama.

It’s a far out scenario – but not it’s not lunacy.

The service academy graduates are (sometimes) wrapped too tight but they also represent the society from which they are drawn.

We have no (officially) recognized “upper class” where the second son goes into the military and is then more dedicated to the protection and advancement of his families “class” than the society he is supposed to represent.

Look at every country that is prone to military coups and you will find that “upper class” formula in place.

Yes, you will find military “royalty” John McCain’s family comes to mind as well as Douglas McArthur, but they are dedicated to the protection of our country and the Constitution. None of them then or now believe they are better suited to rule than they are suited to kill people and break things.

All NCO are drawn from the same society as the officer/citizens and also reflect the same society.

It is inconceivable that any group of officers could even begin to plot a coup because a s**t load of other officers/NCOs would turn them in or, well, just shoot them and then turn them in.

It just ain’t, despite your best fevered fantasies, gonna happen.

<<<——–
Perry>>>>>>—- pfffht <<<<<<<<wind !!!
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Vidal… )*(

Vidal? He’s so elitist even Obama can’t cut it in his world. Vidal did write one funny thing long ago. He drew a picture which looked like a larger version of this– *

He then wrote, “This is an asshole.” He should have written, “I am an asshole” but…close enough.

Doesn’t Deus ex machina mean “god in the machine”

Not really. ‘Ex’ as in exile, ex-communicate, etc. means ‘out,’ right? ‘God out of a machine’ is a closer translation.

I think Ed was just describing the stage direction the Greeks used. They would lower the actor portraying the god onto the stage by a crane (or raise him from below.) Hence the Flying God Machine.

And you sit there and say that you KNOW – 100% that the democratic process that served us for 220 years will save us?

HondaV65 on September 30, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Yep, I know this. I have a little more faith in our country and our Constitution than you do, though.

Proud Rino on September 30, 2009 at 1:54 PM

THAT, I sincerely doubt, sir. HondaV65 put his money where his mouth is.

Subsunk

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

1) I’m not an expert on the US military, but I used to be a member and remain in touch with many of them today. They dislike the President and Congress in large numbers. However, their oaths are to the Constitution and to follow the lawful orders of the President and the Officers appointed over them. They will do so.

2) The vast majority of these Men, if given the order by President Obama declaring martial law through legal ledgerdemain, would follow it, especially if the order was supported as a response to riots or large natural disasters, or terrorist attacks. Where do almost all the terrorist attacks come from today? Lefties or RightWingers? Who throws bombs at government buildings? Lefties or Right Wingers? I submit that only by false flag operations in which Lefties create the very riots they fear through the use of criminal thugs (who usually have no political affiliation), could they succeed.

3) Any President who orders such martial law would be completely in control of the military, as long as there was legal authorization for him to do so. They would follow his orders, including putting down riots, demonstrations, and displays contrary to good order and discipline under martial law, and they would be correct to do so, given lawful orders.

4) Only when given orders which cast doubt on the legality of the situation, or when given circumstances in which the commanders on the scene feel the orders given are more deadly than necessary, or when confronted with situations which their judgment tells them would lead to unnecessary civilian casualties and little or no danger to their troops, would these officers refuse to follow those orders or modify their execution of those orders. If ordered to fire on innocent civilians without sufficient reason or with less than deadly intent exhibited, US commanders would most likely handle the riots in a less deadly fashion than the orders might specify.

Remember that in Iraq, in 2003, 2004, when the Sunnis and former Iraqi soldiers rioted for pay and used the crowd to shoot American soldiers, our Men refrained from firing in most cases and used discriminating fire in others. A handful of cases involved the killing of innocents and, if the dead had been American civilians, then American citizens would have sufficient outrage and power to lead to more restrictive ROE, and certainly cashiering officers who allowed it. If those officers had been ordered to do so by civilian leadership, you can be sure impeachment of those politicians would have swiftly followed.

I submit we have evidence in large amounts of EXACTLY how American military personnel would respond to crowds with no weapons (stand firm, unloaded), crowds with weapons, but using restraint (stand firm, but lock and load), and to crowds with no restraint and with weapons, who shoot at them (Katie, bar the door, you’re all gonna die). Since Iraq remains under control today, I am confident the US citizenry would be able to bring sufficient pressure to bear to end any US uprisings with minimal military incidents.

5) An armed US citizenry, in large quantities, and with significant shows of force, but with full restraint on the use of those weapons, and refusal to target government institutions or personnel, would probably cause the US military to stand by and observe the proceedings while maintaining the peace through use of deadly force in any violent large scale riot or uprising imaginable, but little action in peaceful demonstrations. Leave the rifles at home folks, unless you intend to really, no kidding, use them to kill someone. Our respect for the rule of law on both sides of the military, militia, Law Enforcement, TEA party confrontation equations would yield significant, but minor risk of accidents and deadly engagements.

6) The danger lies in the use of subterfuge and deception in fomenting the rebellion. Which group uses deceptive language in undermining US institutions and the power of the police in the country? Lefties or Right Wingers? Which group is expert at twisting logic and rules to benefit their kind and only their kind? Lefties or Right Wingers? Which group throws bombs at government targets, calls the police fascists, riots in the streets over jury decisions, and then blames the government for its responses?

Which group insists its opponents are too stupid to succeed (call us ignorant), then too impotent to succeed(call us teabaggers), then too evil to succeed(call us racists), right before the brutes topple the intellectuals and storm the gates and overthrow the king? Lefties or Right Wingers?

I submit that a false flag operation, run by Lefties or Right Wingers who want the military to act, and realize the only way to get them to do so is to create a rebellion where none exists, executed by criminals for hire, and guided by hard core anarchists or Socialists or Communists, would have a chance of succeeding. (That leaves out most Right Wingers, now doesn’t it?)

And it could only be defeated by news organizations, and other Lefties starting to do their jobs and report the Truth to the American public, OR by stalwart US officers recognizing the need for their restraint in the application of force, and still finding ways to put down dissent with firm but sure tactics. But why should they have to do so?

How confident do you feel that your college educated neighbor would do the right thing and stand his ground, but not shoot you if you advanced on his house with drunk friends with torches and he was the only one between you and his house? It is the same for the Officers of the US military. Threaten them with bodily harm, or failure of mission (protecting the government and peacefully protecting and restraining the citizenry from damaging themselves or their government institutions), and they are just as likely to make a mistake and blow your head off, as likely as your drunk friends would be to start a fight with them. The only known outcome in this case is who would win that battle, and it ain’t the citizenry or the Republic.

7) Finally, which group is ready to die to defend its right to exist? How many Lefties join the police, the military, or place themselves in harms’ way to serve their country, or their fellow Man? Near zero. Certainly less than 30% of the military. How many Right Wingers join those institutions and then come home and foment rebellion, just because they now have the knowledge and expertise to do so? Near zero. I submit that all the guts and backbone is on one side of this equation. Lefty anti war types, and anarchists who throw bombs, and intellectuals who support fascist police tactics are almost never found in the police forces because they are too big a Coward to place their lives on the line.

8) Would the US military support a coup by Leftist elements who try by subterfuge to gain power? Not willingly, and only if completely deceived by the thugs……… And no one is that good. Abe Lincoln said you could fool some of the people all the time (Lefties), and you could fool all of the people some of the time (last election), but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time (ask Jimmy Carter).

Ask yourself this: Is this administration competent enough to actually pull off such a coup through the elaborate subterfuge, fomenting of riots, extensive legal deception and forgery, and wholehearted participation of all its so-called liberal fanatic members and the entire press system (remember Fox News and radio are not in line with this part of the Lefty equation), the likes of which would make a 9-11 Truther look like a sane, rational, genius? Has anyone seen this kind of competence and ability in the administration?

The answer is……………. Not unless their Life depends on it. Because they really don’t care about your Life, do they? You’re the wrong sort, remember?

Subsunk