Is today Military Dictatorship Day?; Update: Newsmax removes column

posted at 9:30 am on September 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

In case anyone thinks that one side of the political spectrum has a monopoly on paranoid ranters, we present today’s offering from Gore Vidal (Left) and John Perry (Right) on the coming American military dictatorship.  Both men agree that it’s a likelihood, and both men blame Barack Obama.  Let’s start with the Perry, warning in Newsmax that just because something has never happened before doesn’t mean we can’t predict that it won’t happen soon, or something (via Tom Maguire):

What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, “I’m not interested in victory”) that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse?

Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?

Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America’s military leadership is lost in a fool’s fog.

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Newsmax actually ran this as a column, not a blog post.  It’s a lunatic fantasy straight out of Greek theater.  In those days, when mediocre tragedians wrote plots so complicated that they couldn’t resolve them through character interaction, the Deus ex machina (loosely, the Flying God Machine) would deposit a new actor portraying one of the Greek pantheon onto the stage to sort out the mess.  Perry fantasizes about a military takeover that would be the world’s most powerful Deus ex machina, mainly out of political laziness:

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

The alternative, non-violent solution is the one we’ve been using for 220 years: elections.  We have another coming in 2010.  If the American people get fed up with the direction of this government, then we will change it in the midterms.  We do not need our military to rescue us from ourselves, thank you very much.

One might excuse this kind of nihilism if it came from a college freshman who had no sense of his own nation’s history, but this comes from a man who served two White House administrations.  There is simply no excuse for this hankering for a banana republic in America from someone who should know much, much better.

That goes for Gore Vidal, too, who envisions this scenario more darkly:

Barack Obama is failing as President and the US is in danger of sliding into a military dictatorship, says Gore Vidal, the American essayist and intellectual.

In an exclusive interview with The Times, Vidal, 83, reveals that he regrets switching his allegiance from Hillary Clinton to Mr Obama during last year’s campaign to secure the Democratic presidential nomination.

I don’t think Hillary regrets it, especially now.

Vidal added: “He loves quoting Lincoln and there’s a great Lincoln quote from a letter he wrote to one of his generals in the South after the Civil War. ’I am President of the United States. I have full overall power and never forget it, because I will exercise it’. That’s what Obama needs – a bit of Lincoln’s chill.” He also predicted Obama may be assassinated: “Just one lone gunman lurking in the shadows of the capital.”

America has no intellectual class and is rotting away at a funereal pace, he believes. “We’ll have a military dictatorship soon, on the basis nobody else can hold everything together. Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being overeducated. He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is.”

Vidal isn’t pining so much for a military dictatorship as warning about one, but otherwise it’s just as ludicrous.  The American military isn’t interested in conducting coups, and having dissolute pseudo-intellectuals blathering about them to the London press does the professionals in our military an extreme disservice.  It’s an insult to their honor, as well as ours.

Both men should be encouraged to take some time off and regain their senses, and should be roundly ignored until they do.

Update: Newsmax removed Perry’s column.  Bob Owens has their statement and a bit of Perry’s background:

It is also worth noting that Perry is not a conservative; his bio says he worked for both LBJ and Carter Administrations and Democratic Governor of Florida, LeRoy Collins.

Fair enough, but no one disputes that Newsmax is a conservative-oriented news and opinion site.  This wasn’t a blog post but a column published by Newsmax.  They made the decision to publish it, and thankfully they made the decision to remove it.


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umm. nope.

ted c on September 30, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being overeducated. He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is.

Ah, the ever-present liberal attitude – we’re too stupid to know that’s good for us and we need elites to take care of us.

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I would have thought that Barack Obama was the perfect president for Gore Vidal, all the way down to the perfectly creased presidential pants.

myrenovations on September 30, 2009 at 9:39 AM

honestly, who wouldn’t prefer this over Obama?

/just saying

jp on September 30, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being overeducated.

Over-educated? Obama is woefully unaware of basic history, even modern hostory. He is ignorant of economics and even little things like economic lingo.

myrenovations on September 30, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Gore Vidal, regain his senses? I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that one, Ed.

Mike H on September 30, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Well, either way..it might make a good book or movie. Besides, I was born around the time of Joe Mc Carthy hunting Communists in Hollywood and government. He was ridiculed in the end. His last name, used as McCarthyism, is used to claim
political victims being falsely accused by lies.

A bit over 50 years later, within my lifetime, Hollywood and the White House seem loaded with Communists and America is being transformed into a socialist country.

So who knows.

Jeff from WI on September 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Idiots.

Red Cloud on September 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people.

You mean – like with healthcare? I guess we’re just so stupid that teh One’s message can’t penetrate our Neanderthal brain.

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Obeying orders of the President seems secondary.

Just saying.

javamartini on September 30, 2009 at 9:44 AM

If anyone wanted any additional evidence that NewsMax is NOT a legitimate news source, there you are. They give a soapbox to morons like John Perry.

Red Cloud on September 30, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Dictatorship is the inevitable result of socialism. If they pass Obamacare and cap and tax we will be living in a de facto dictatorship. If taxpayer funded leftist groups like ACORN are allowed to continue vote fraud unchecked we lose the vote and then also effectively live in a dictatorship.

wildcat84 on September 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

People still listen to Gore Vidal?

Lehosh on September 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

The American military isn’t interested in conducting coups, and having dissolute pseudo-intellectuals blathering about them to the London press does the professionals in our military an extreme disservice. It’s an insult to their honor, as well as ours.

Amen.

Maybe these so-called “intellectuals” have opposed our fundamental rights such as the Second Amendment rights so long, that they forgot what really keeps this country free: population armed to the teeth.

If, in the highly unlikely event, anyone in the military tries to upset the command of chain, let them try. If Iraq and Afghanistan were bad for our military, America will be far worse for them. It will be a guerrilla warfare in every street, against the toughest, most resolute fighters in the world: Americans fighting for their own freedom.

novakyu on September 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Now, if the economic crisis worsens and Obama finagles a way to cancel the 2010 midterms due to the “national emergency,” then we may have an excuse for a military coup.

Hey, the left always thought Bush was conspiring to cancel elections, so I can think that about Obama, right? Turnabout is fair play racist.

Kafir on September 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Well the idea that the government can be taken over by lunatics is the central premise to all the checks and balances we have in the constitution and bill of rights. ALL of them are there to try and prevent such a turn of events.

The achilles heel of rational folks is our disbelief that anything so radical as a take over of the United States Government by radicals can occur. By having such a strong disbelief we actually make it more probable because evil folks can be chipping away at our country’s foundation while the “rational” folks say…it can never happen.

Never is a long time…220 years is a long time.

PierreLegrand on September 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Btw the military will not be the instigator of the revolution.

PierreLegrand on September 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America’s military leadership is lost in a fool’s fog.

Yeah – sure. The military is thinking about taking over the government because Obama is an idiot?

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I’d be interested to see it happen. I know I know, that would spell the end for democracy or would it?

Obama and Pelosi frog marched to jail for not following the oath to the constitution would be ideal. The military would hold the power until a new election with honor bound candidates could be held.

Dare to dream!

larvcom on September 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM

“He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is.”

Vidal got that part right. As far as Obama being over-educated? Soft science = soft head.

dingbat on September 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM

A sniffing Gore Vidal is the least of our worries.

What has become startlingly clear is that we have a commander in chief who is wholly unprepared in every way for the rigors of the job and who is frittering away a chance for limiting the Taliban’s growth in the Af-Pak theater while risking American lives with his indecisiveness.

I don’t agree with the French much, but Sarkozy’s assessment of Obama is right on…naive and egotistical. This is a deadly combination for our troops in Afghanistan and for national security.

Linnea on September 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Hmmm ……. 7 Days In May?

EliTheBean on September 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Obeying orders of the President seems secondary.

Just saying.

javamartini on September 30, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Constitution allows for no role of military in removing a president legally. The Constitution establishes our civilian-to-military chain of command. Obeying the legal orders of the President, even the ones they (and I) highly disagree with, is their first and foremost priority.

If the President has indeed committed a treason against this country and crime against the Constitution, it is the job of the legislature to impeach him, not the military.

A military removing the President to defend the Constitution would be no more logical than a virgin fucking for virginity.

novakyu on September 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM

The alternative, non-violent solution is the one we’ve been using for 220 years: elections.

Er … no. It’s having the SCOTUS rule The Precedent ineligible (which he is) and throwing his butt out, to have him stand trial for treason.

These lefties, in their own twisted way, are just recognizing the fact that The Precedent is anti-American and is pushing this nation to the very brink. There is no denying this fact. The way the federal government is being used as a tool to transform our nation (to make it look more like the Indonesia that The PRecedent grew up in) into something totally foreign, and to destroy American uniqueness, freedom, wealth and power in the process will not continue unabated and unchallenged. If this continues, as the Congress is still busy trying to bring their marxist ideas to health care and have the feds take over areas that it has no business in, then states will more likely secede than have a military coup, here, but people need to look closely at Honduras and realize that we are in the same sort of situation. Our Constitution has been intentionally ignored – just so people didn’t have to worry about the cities being lit up due to their fears of black anger erupting over a black candidate actually being subject to the same laws as everyone else – and it has only been quickly downhill from there.

As the left keeps pushing – and they are – this nation will eventually break. If the left doesn’t get this through policy that offends American sensibilities, then they will achieve this disaster as they destroy our monetary system (which is well under way) and the federal government just disintegrates in a mountain of debt and a useless currency.

One thing that should be noted about the above lefties’ ideas is that they both realize that The PRecedent is an utter and complete failure. They try to blame the handling of this failure on the right, but their words belie the fact that they are almost begging the right to save the left by getting rid of The Precedent, who is the most inept, moronic, un-American, disastrous idiot that has ever been even close to power in the US. The left is starting to understand and fear that their loser affirmative action pick is ruining this country and they want the reaction to be on him and not them.

progressoverpeace on September 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM

sometimes I wish we had a virtuous man who was in position to give a Dissolution of the Rump type of speech to Congress…

that said, Say the Democrats hold power for a long time, keep slashing Defense spending and place our nation in grave danger or catostrophic collapse. Say NY gets hit hard? Something’s got to give at some point.

jp on September 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM

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PierreLegrand on September 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Now, if the economic crisis worsens and Obama finagles a way to cancel the 2010 midterms due to the “national emergency,” then we may have an excuse for a military coup.

Hey, the left always thought Bush was conspiring to cancel elections, so I can think that about Obama, right? Turnabout is fair play racist.

Kafir on September 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

The difference, of course (and I’m not defending my more paranoid brethren) is that the military is assumed to have an affinitiy with Republicans and the right wing, and an antipathy for the Dems. Not that I suspect these men would ever participate in a coup but can anyone on this board see Obama getting all buddy-buddy on a “let’s just cancel a few elections” level with the Joint Chiefs? That’s a Cheney play, not an Obama strategy.

Bleeds Blue on September 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution

Won’t happen, but we can dream, can’t we?

Daggett on September 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I saw that Newsmax piece yesterday and couldn’t get my jaw off the floor.

flipflop on September 30, 2009 at 9:52 AM

“Seven Days In May,” I don’t think so.

sheriff246 on September 30, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Drama queens love them some drama.

exception on September 30, 2009 at 9:54 AM

The difference, of course (and I’m not defending my more paranoid brethren) is that the military is assumed to have an affinitiy with Republicans and the right wing, and an antipathy for the Dems. Not that I suspect these men would ever participate in a coup but can anyone on this board see Obama getting all buddy-buddy on a “let’s just cancel a few elections” level with the Joint Chiefs? That’s a Cheney play, not an Obama strategy.

Bleeds Blue on September 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I was with you until you maligned Cheney.

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Vidal rants and rave like a lefty lunatic. Why should I consider his warnings as anything else?

TexasDude on September 30, 2009 at 9:54 AM

As an outsider, I just cannot see the American military attempting a coup.

I may want them to, but they are too honourable to do it.

OldEnglish on September 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Btw the military will not be the instigator of the revolution.

PierreLegrand on September 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM

LOL. Then who will be the “instigator”? The 101st Chairborne Keyboard Commandos?

You guys and your Red Dawn fantasies….

cornfedbubba on September 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM

While it would be fun to speculate who in the Democratic Party and the media would support a military takeover and canceling of elections (Kent Brockman’s line on “The Simpsons” in a different context comes to mind), this is the same sort of paranoia that sprung up on the right in 1999, when the story was Clinton was going to use the Y2K threat to cancel the 2000 elections and become President for Life.

As for Vidal, he’s be headed downhill and hating America since he lost in his run for Congress in 1960 and ended up seeing Jerry Lewis star in the movie version of his Broadway play. Half a century of U.S.-bashing has gotten Gore to the point where not even Obama is far enough left to suit his tastes.

jon1979 on September 30, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Both men should be encouraged to take some time off and regain their senses, and should be roundly ignored until they do.

Vidal regaining his senses? When exactly did he have any?

As to the other person, I’ll assume at some time he had them. Good luck rediscovering them.

This is a good lesson for all those that say Obama is going to consolidate power and establish some sort of dictatorship.

Who exactly is going to follow him on this path? Is the American military going to follow his unconstitutional orders? Will the police departments across the country? The FBI?

The man on horseback needs troops. And Obama doesn’t have them.

SteveMG on September 30, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Now, if the economic crisis worsens and Obama finagles a way to cancel the 2010 midterms due to the “national emergency,” then we may have an excuse for a military coup.

Hey, the left always thought Bush was conspiring to cancel elections, so I can think that about Obama, right? Turnabout is fair play racist.

Kafir on September 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

I believe that the whole purpose of the “civilian defense corp” that Obama wants to set up is for him to have a pseudo-military force that is personally loyal to him instead of a 200+ year tradition of swearing an oath to the Constitution. Individual soldiers know that if they obey an unlawful order they are just as guilty as the person who gave it.

The military will likely NOT side with the government if it’s ordered to do an illegal crackdown on protesters, etc, especially if Obama did try something like suspending elections, pulling a Zelaya, or if he tries to certify elections that were clearly fraudulent (think ACORN on steroids) in the way Iran did.

I predict that in 2010 all hell will break loose. The dems will be voted out en masse, and will deny reality. I think they will imagine some right wing “ACORN” as being responsible for mass fraud and claim themselves that the election is illegitimate and may refuse to give up their seats in Congress, thus creating a crisis and civil unrest that would give “Teh Won” the excuse he needs to suspend civil liberties, etc. He DOES admire Lincoln.

Think that’s an insane scenario? Think again. I think it’s probable. I have yet to see any evidence that Obama and his cohorts in Congress have any respect for democracy.

wildcat84 on September 30, 2009 at 9:57 AM

The alternative, non-violent solution is the one we’ve been using for 220 years: elections. We have another coming in 2010. If the American people get fed up with the direction of this government, then we will change it in the midterms. We do not need our military to rescue us from ourselves, thank you very much.

But we might in the not too distant future. Did Honduras need the military to restore democracy? Has Venezuela ousted Hugo Chavez by democratic elections? The military is another check on a leader who wants too much power and oversteps his constitutional authority, and Honduras was correct to use it this way.

Gabe on September 30, 2009 at 9:57 AM

should be roundly ignored until they do.

Blogging about them is not ignoring them. Just sayin’.

bridgetown on September 30, 2009 at 9:58 AM

The difference, of course (and I’m not defending my more paranoid brethren) is that the military is assumed to have an affinitiy with Republicans and the right wing, and an antipathy for the Dems. Not that I suspect these men would ever participate in a coup but can anyone on this board see Obama getting all buddy-buddy on a “let’s just cancel a few elections” level with the Joint Chiefs? That’s a Cheney play, not an Obama strategy.

Bleeds Blue on September 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM
I was with you until you maligned Cheney.

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I didn’t mean that Cheney would instigate a coup, but rather that if you’re casting a paranoid fantasy, he’s definitely more the “type” (in a Screen Actor’s Guild sense).

Bleeds Blue on September 30, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Bleeds Blue on September 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM

That’s the only way to “defend” Obama — pretend he’s not the issue, and pretend Bush/Cheney are still in office and relevant.

Daggett on September 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Personally, I feel that the entire class of politicians we have in Washington, especially the Democrats, are corrupt and incompetent.

They have no idea how to deal with the problems affecting this nation. None. I have zero condifence in the House Leadership or the Senate leadership.

I favor retired military officers running as candidates and defeating these corrupt clowns we have in office now.

Military officers actually have executive experience, they have to perform to get promoted, unlike our Congress and our President, who excel only at self-promotion.

NoDonkey on September 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Vidal? Who’s next? Chomsky? Zinn?

CC

CapedConservative on September 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM

About the only way the military would remove a sitting president would be if he or she tried to make him/herself president for life and cancel the elections.

That would be a blatant unconstitutional move on the part of a president. Even then it would require the complete complicity of the legislative and judicial branches supporting the the president in becoming president for life.

Even then they would try to get civilian law enforcement, (FBI) to carry out the arrests.

The military really doesn’t want to run things, and they are sworn to defend the constitution, not the congress or the president.

Gore Vidal reached his expiration date about 79 years ago.

evilned on September 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM

They could have made their argument much more succinct by just saying, “we don’t trust our own military.”

Vashta.Nerada on September 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM

That’s a Cheney play, not an Obama strategy.

Sure it is, buddy. Sure it is.

We all remember Cheney’s extra-legal attempts to subvert the Constitution and remain in power, right? Right?

:crickets:

Lefties live in an alternate universe.

tsj017 on September 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Won’t someone please link the video of WFBuckley going nuclear on Vidal?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on September 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM

People on the left and right and center are all realizing that Obama is way over his head in his new job.

Says Vidal of Obama: “But he’s inexperienced. He has a total inability to understand military matters. He’s acting as if Afghanistan is the magic talisman: solve that and you solve terrorism.”

albill on September 30, 2009 at 10:03 AM

His problem is being overeducated.

I’m really getting tired of this “Obama’s the smartest person in the room” BS, because he’s not. He’s an affirmitive action beneficiary and he’s a blithering idiot when he’s away from TOTUS. I work in tech, and I’ve worked (and still work) with people who are the smartest person in the room and you know what? They don’t act like they are. Most of them are quite humble, though you wonder how they get through life without being hit by a bus.

Obama, like Kerry, thinks he’s the smartest person in the room because he’s been told that since he was a kid. Add to that the hyper-inflated ego and grade A level narcissism and you have a truly dangerous combination.

Now, onto the subject at hand – in normal cirucmstances I don’t see the military trying to take over, but there are hardly normal circumstances. If the Dems lose in 2010, is it really a stretch for Obama to appoint an “Afghanistan Czar” to do an end-run around Congress and the Constitution? He’s done it before and he’ll do it again. Add that to the possibility of an attack due to his negligence and I see the military at least trying to step in.

We live in dangerous times and we elected an egomaniacal dim-wit who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else (and thus will never admit he’s wrong) who has no interest in securing Afghanistan. If that results in an attack and loss of lives, all bets are off.

crazy_legs on September 30, 2009 at 10:03 AM

I didn’t understand a word of this, something I chalk up to my ignorance and dim-wittedness.

Bishop on September 30, 2009 at 10:05 AM

OK, I’ll do it myself.

Here.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on September 30, 2009 at 10:05 AM

“Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?”

Who is this nitwit?

Congress controls the purse strings. The anti-military donks have the majority in both houses of congress.

No money, no fighty.

fogw on September 30, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Idiots.

Red Cloud on September 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Quite simply, I agree with Red Cloud—-they are both idiots.

The alternative, non-violent solution is the one we’ve been using for 220 years: elections. We have another coming in 2010. If the American people get fed up with the direction of this government, then we will change it in the midterms. We do not need our military to rescue us from ourselves, thank you very much.

Add these two misanthrope’s to the list of birthers and truthers. Elections do have consequences—and they have a way of correcting failed misdirections. For these two to suggest America will resolve “differences” by resorting to a third world dictator process, is ludicrous.

Rovin on September 30, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Newsmax actually ran this as a column, not a blog post. It’s a lunatic fantasy straight out of Greek theater.

Ed, very true, but what part of Obama’s continued planned destruction of this great country falls outside of your Greek tragedy?
You refuse to see the forest from the trees.

Everything foundation we have known is being undone…

katy on September 30, 2009 at 10:07 AM

People still ever listen listened to Gore Vidal?

Lehosh on September 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Fixed it for ya. :)

NathanG on September 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM

He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is.”

Gore Vidal, as usual, places a high value on his own perceived intelligence. Perceived by no one but him, I might add.

GarandFan on September 30, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Yeah – sure. The military is thinking about taking over the government because Obama is an idiot?

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Why yes, actually. It is a distinct possibility and becoming more so everyday. As some good soul posted above, the Armed Forces swear an oath primarily to The Constitution. Once the
Precedent crosses a line that removes all doubt as to him being a domestic enemy and threat to The Constitution, and, the survival of the Nation. I expect that the Military will remove him, most likely by direction of SCOTUS.

Also, even if SCOTUS doesn’t find their balls (figuratively speaking) I still expect the Military will remove him. Otherwise, it will be done by the people. One of the reasons that the Left in general, and the Leftist Politicians in particular are crapping their pants, is that they are poised at the precipice. Do they grab for all the marbles and commit suicide? Or do they back off and watch their Marxist dreams die. They want the marbles, but they are cowards.

No doubt, there are rough and most likely bloody times ahead, but I think we’ll pull it out and survive. The Left, and by association the Democrat Party (BTW, it is NOT the Democratic Party) will be destroyed and I believe there will be a brief and behind the scenes bloody purge of the Leftists in this country. It will be done by the people, we know who the Leftists are. Some people have been keeping score for decades now.

mrpeabody on September 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM

If we ever have a military dictatorship it will be because Iran has built an atomic weapon and ‘loaned’ it to a group of terrorists and they’ve successfully wiped Washington DC completely off the map. This condition would last exactly long enough for organized elections.

Griz on September 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM

You guys and your Red Dawn fantasies….

cornfedbubba on September 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Laugh all you want. Obviously, bubba, you don’t live in Texas. Independence is a way of life here, not some flowery slogan read from a teleprompter.

txsurveyor on September 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM

“Senility to the left of us, senility to the right of us”.

Johan Klaus on September 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM

I didn’t mean that Cheney would instigate a coup, but rather that if you’re casting a paranoid fantasy, he’s definitely more the “type” (in a Screen Actor’s Guild sense).

Bleeds Blue on September 30, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Thanks for the clarification.

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM

He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is.”

Gore Vidal, as usual, places a high value on his own perceived intelligence. Perceived by no one but him, I might add.

GarandFan on September 30, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Ahhh. Yesterday’s Bill Maher. Both irrelevant and yet both get the attention of a king. Both need to die.

NathanG on September 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Both men … should be roundly ignored …

Been all over that for a while now.

GISAP on September 30, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Laugh all you want. Obviously, bubba, you don’t live in Texas. Independence is a way of life here, not some flowery slogan read from a teleprompter.

txsurveyor on September 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Like they say in south Texas, “Come and take it”.

Johan Klaus on September 30, 2009 at 10:15 AM

I believe that the whole purpose of the “civilian defense corp” that Obama wants to set up is for him to have a pseudo-military force that is personally loyal to him instead of a 200+ year tradition of swearing an oath to the Constitution. Individual soldiers know that if they obey an unlawful order they are just as guilty as the person who gave it.

The military will likely NOT side with the government if it’s ordered to do an illegal crackdown on protesters, etc, especially if Obama did try something like suspending elections, pulling a Zelaya, or if he tries to certify elections that were clearly fraudulent (think ACORN on steroids) in the way Iran did.

Just about as loony as the “military dictatorship” guys. We are seeing policy differences within the Government, not moves toward dictatorship by any side.

Never ascribe to intent what you can ascribe to incompetence. I believe Obama to be incompetent and we are seeing that now. He’s got three more years to fully cement that concept into everyone’s head (ally and foe alike) — that he is not the post-racial uniter that the majority yearned for, but rather a Chicago hack who plays to the far left base, trying to buy the votes he would not otherwise get.

He has yet to figure out that what works in Chicago stays in Chicago.

As many posters here on McCain like to remind us, you don’t get huge turnouts in your favor when your support is lukewarm. What was the rule for Mr. McCain is certainly the rule for Mr. Obama.

That’s a Cheney play, not an Obama strategy.

Bleeds Blue on September 30, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Then why didn’t we see it last year after Cheney’s side lost the election? Your boogie man is now out of office, and went out gracefully. He is successfully attacking the current President’s policies as a private citizen, and that’s OK.

unclesmrgol on September 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Probably the closest this country got to “military dictatorship” was the fear that Nixon would declare martial law in a illegitimate bid to maintain his power. And even then the idea was a little farfetched.

Officers command the troops but NCOs (quite possible the most “conservative” group of Americans anywhere) translate those commands into action. And we/they wouldn’t ever allow that to happen.

Did you know that most officers take the oath of office only once in their careers? That enlisted troops take the oath of office every time they re-enlist? I and my fellow NCOs have always taken that oath seriously. “ I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” is not just a few grandiose words. It’s what I swore to do for 28 years and I never wavered in that faithfulness.

Just because some people believe honor is a negotiable commodity doesn’t mean it is for everyone.

The idea that a rogue officer or group of officers would support a grab for control of the U.S. is so far outside the realm of possibility that I am struggling for a word to describe that possibility; unhinged prattle?

E9RET on September 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM

I work in tech, and I’ve worked (and still work) with people who are the smartest person in the room and you know what? They don’t act like they are. Most of them are quite humble, though you wonder how they get through life without being hit by a bus.

crazy_legs on September 30, 2009 at 10:03 AM

That is it in a nut shell.

mrpeabody on September 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM

You left out the part of the essay where Vidal calls all conservatives racist, ignorant, religious fanatics.

If these folks are so smart and we’re soooo stoopid, how about we give them an island to prove their ability to bring forth their utopia. Bets on the outcome?

Firefly_76 on September 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Both men should be encouraged to take some time off and regain their senses, and should be roundly ignored until they do.

Interesting that you did not.

ManUFan on September 30, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Like they say in south Texas, “Come and take it”.

Johan Klaus on September 30, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Can I be an honorary Texan?

I’m stuck here in Murtha/Specter/Rendell Land.

fogw on September 30, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Why yes, actually. It is a distinct possibility and becoming more so everyday. As some good soul posted above, the Armed Forces swear an oath primarily to The Constitution. Once the
Precedent crosses a line that removes all doubt as to him being a domestic enemy and threat to The Constitution, and, the survival of the Nation. I expect that the Military will remove him, most likely by direction of SCOTUS.

Also, even if SCOTUS doesn’t find their balls (figuratively speaking) I still expect the Military will remove him. Otherwise, it will be done by the people. One of the reasons that the Left in general, and the Leftist Politicians in particular are crapping their pants, is that they are poised at the precipice. Do they grab for all the marbles and commit suicide? Or do they back off and watch their Marxist dreams die. They want the marbles, but they are cowards.

No doubt, there are rough and most likely bloody times ahead, but I think we’ll pull it out and survive. The Left, and by association the Democrat Party (BTW, it is NOT the Democratic Party) will be destroyed and I believe there will be a brief and behind the scenes bloody purge of the Leftists in this country. It will be done by the people, we know who the Leftists are. Some people have been keeping score for decades now.

mrpeabody on September 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM

I doubt our men and women in service see their duty as you do. Carter was an absolute horrible president and it looks like Obama is going to be just as bad if not worse. The military did not take things over from Carter – despite he was totally ineffective at getting American hostages released from Iran and despite he was running the economy into the ground.

If the military leadership had a big problem with the way Obama is prosecuting foreign affairs/wars then they have many peaceful options open up to them that would be very effective.

I think it’s theoretically possible that the military would take control but ONLY if the President declared himself dictator, cancelled elections etc. I don’t believe for a second that Obama will cancel elections or declare himself dictator (for one thing this goes against his Alinsky training). Democrats/Obama want lasting control and power and a coups wouldn’t accomplish this (at least not in America).

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 10:19 AM

dimwitted! yeah! i’m a redneck & proud of it. and also a Southerner & it is universally known that we are stupid!

and nancy pelosi says i am un-American.

bring it.

kelley in virginia on September 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM

fogw: i’m coming to B-more this weekend. meet me there & i’ll bring you down where some real Americans live.

kelley in virginia on September 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM

The man on horseback needs troops. And Obama doesn’t have them.

SteveMG on September 30, 2009 at 9:56 AM

He got that $640,000,000 somewhere. I’m sure he’s got his Pentagon team as well. Shinseki for sure. I can’t think of any other explanation for this other than Gen. Jones has traded his honor for position.

You’ve got to figure there are sides being chosen up.

BTW, this is the guy on horseback!

rcl on September 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Just wait until the CIA prosecutions get rolling and our military start being tried for breaking the ridiculously suicidal and stupid ROE (designed to assure defeat).

Treason is treason.

progressoverpeace on September 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM

You guys and your Red Dawn fantasies….

cornfedbubba on September 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Does this mean you condone/approve of your children being directed to sing mmmmm,mmmm,mmmm Obama songs? And how are you planning to react when the feds come to your door to arrest you for not buying a government health insurance policy? Yes, Red Dawn may be over the top as you suggest, but the “invasion” isn’t coming from the outside—-it’s taking place in Washington D.C. where our representatives continue to refuse to listen to their electorate.

Rovin on September 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Everything is impossible until it’s not.

TheBigOldDog on September 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I believe Obama to be incompetent and we are seeing that now.

unclesmrgol on September 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Of course he is incompetent! That was a feature of the idiot, not a bug. Obama is a puppet, answering to, and acting by the direction of someone else. Good grief, the obviousness of that is in plain sight. Take all the commissars and other actions being perpetrated, someone else is calling the shots and stacking one disaster on top of the next.

mrpeabody on September 30, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Is there anyway to ignore Obama until he disabuses himself of his anti-American utopian fantasies?

A military coup is hard to imagine, but something is going to give. I don’t see how we survive peacefully until the 2013 election. Americans are indeed being pushed to the brink. Our economic order is crumbling before our very eyes. Our insolvent banking system is propped-up by the FED’s printing press. POTUS fiddles while soldiers die. CONgressmen are scolding constituents who dare speak their minds and a major company is now under investigation for telling the truth about Obamacare. Admitted Marxists surround the president. Government thinks it has the right to intrude into everything from garage sales to toilet paper to babysitting (examples from stories over the past week). Children are being targeted for God knows what. People are protesting mandatory swine flu shots. And I could go on for days.

Again, I don’t see a coup, but does anyone believe Americans will quietly allow things to continue on this trajectory?

flyfisher on September 30, 2009 at 10:24 AM

You know who does NOT want to be involved at all with govenrance <===this guy.

I cant think of a single high ranking officer that would be interested in this proposition. All of them are firm believers in civilian control.

Squid Shark on September 30, 2009 at 10:26 AM

I especially liked this part from Tom Maguire:

“Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him,”

Even the left is having problems keeping The Precedent’s obvious ineptitude under wraps. Only allah is left thinking that The Precedent has a brain.

progressoverpeace on September 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM

It would seem both “intellectuals”, a term used very loosely, want a military dictatorship to meet their wants and desires.

AASLT on September 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM

The military did not take things over from Carter – despite he was totally ineffective at getting American hostages released from Iran and despite he was running the economy into the ground.

But the difference is… terrorists didn’t kill nearly 3,000 Americans less than 10 years before. What if Barrak “I’m not interested in victory” Obama pulls back from Afghanistan and the Taliban re-gains their foothold, plus Iran gets a nuke (they already have the means to deploy it via their proxies) and ten times that amount die because of Giggles’ not-interest in victory? Especially if it could’ve been prevented simply by actually using the military?

crazy_legs on September 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Though I think both Perry and Vidal should be checking with doctors to see if their meds are still effective, there is a point in all this that I find slightly worrisome:

The Founding Fathers didn’t envision a scenario in which the Presidency and Congress would simultaneously be controlled by America-hating thugs. The closest mention comes in the Declaration of Independence, which is explicit about the rights of a people living under a corrupt government to remove it.

Today, the Constitutional power to remove a president is vested in the very people who are his most fervent enablers and co-conspirators. The people, who will bear the brunt of the government’s policies, have no direct recourse.

Ed uses the “2010″ meme, as if there is no danger that the destructive policies of the current government will continue through the next year or more. Osama Obama has weakened us financially and security-wise to an extent that would have gotten anyone else in his position removed from office the Constitutional way if the corruptocrats weren’t enabling him instead of watching out for their constituents’ best interests.

I abhor the notion of any action being taken that violates the law. I fear the consequences of such an action. Even so, the current occupant of the White House is acting in ways I consider unconstitutional, and there is no check on him at all thanks to a Congress full of lapdogs on the Left and cowards on the Right.

The Constitution has worked well for 220 years. Its sole blind spot — the lack of a means for the public to effect rapid, legal change when absolutely necessary — may be what brings it, and our nation, down.

MrScribbler on September 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Gore Vidal is still alive? What a maroon!

Dhuka on September 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM

progressoverpeace on September 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Oops. That was from the right.

progressoverpeace on September 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM

One thing that should be noted about the above lefties’ ideas is that they both realize that The PRecedent is an utter and complete failure.
….begging the right to save the left by getting rid of The Precedent, who is the most inept, moronic, un-American, disastrous idiot that has ever been even close to power in the US…
The left is starting to understand and fear that their loser affirmative action pick is ruining this country…

progressoverpeace on September 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Somehow I doubt Gore Vidal’s problem with Obama is his anti-American-ness or that he’s “ruining this country.”

That is what Vidal *wants*. He is typical of someone who has contempt for the Constitution and the American people.

Some Vidal quotes from cited article:

“He retains some optimism about Obama ‘because he doesn’t lie. We know the fool from Arizona [as he calls John McCain] is a liar. We never got the real story of how McCain crashed his plane [in 1967 near Hanoi, North Vietnam] and was held captive.’ ”

“Obama believes the Republican Party is a party when in fact it’s a mindset, like Hitler Youth, based on hatred — religious hatred, racial hatred. When you foreigners hear the word ‘conservative’ you think of kindly old men hunting foxes. They’re not, they’re fascists.”

“Today religious mania has infected the political bloodstream and America has become corrosively isolationist, he says. “Ask an American what they know about Sweden and they’d say ‘They live well but they’re all alcoholics’.” (yea, like everyday Americans care how much Swedes drink or don’t drink.)

“He [Obama] doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is. Benjamin Franklin said that the system would fail because of the corruption of the people and that happened under Bush.” (corruption of the *people*?)

yellow_railroad on September 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Probably the closest this country got to “military dictatorship” was the fear that Nixon would declare martial law in a illegitimate bid to maintain his power. And even then the idea was a little farfetched.E9RET on September 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM

There were also a few “tense” days when the CIA,(with the military’s blessing), were contemplating ignoring JFK’s refusal to send troops in the Bay of Pigs fiasco—not one of Kennedy’s finest moments. Cooler heads prevailed, as did the respect for the chain of command.

Rovin on September 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM

I think it’s theoretically possible that the military would take control but ONLY if the President declared himself dictator, canceled elections etc. I don’t believe for a second that Obama will cancel elections or declare himself dictator (for one thing this goes against his Alinsky training). Democrats/Obama want lasting control and power and a coups wouldn’t accomplish this (at least not in America).

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 10:19 AM

And that is exactly my point. Because, that is exactly where he is headed. By design. Alinsky’s Rules, were a roadmap to get to where they are today. They will not be able to help themselves, they will make a grab for it all and overreach badly. It is what they )The Left) do. The Scorpion will always be a Scorpion.

mrpeabody on September 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Haven’t seen mention of Prescott Bush and Gen Smedley Butler have we?

dingbat on September 30, 2009 at 10:32 AM

America has no intellectual class

The self-proclaimed “intellectuals” are the problem.

mankai on September 30, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Laugh all you want. Obviously, bubba, you don’t live in Texas. Independence is a way of life here, not some flowery slogan read from a teleprompter.

txsurveyor on September 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM

That sentiment is prevalent throughout the entire Southeast. Obama and his Ivy League pinhead pals have no understanding of the Southern mindset. And it’s not just the rednecks with 4×4′s they don’t understand, it’s grandma’s in their Cadillacs.

flyfisher on September 30, 2009 at 10:33 AM

But the difference is… terrorists didn’t kill nearly 3,000 Americans less than 10 years before. What if Barrak “I’m not interested in victory” Obama pulls back from Afghanistan and the Taliban re-gains their foothold, plus Iran gets a nuke (they already have the means to deploy it via their proxies) and ten times that amount die because of Giggles’ not-interest in victory? Especially if it could’ve been prevented simply by actually using the military?

crazy_legs on September 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM

I agree times are different and that Obama is probably going to let Iran get nukes. But I still don’t think this will precipitate a military coup. I’m also not convinced that a GOP president would do what it would take to stop Iran from getting a nuke.

gwelf on September 30, 2009 at 10:33 AM

The smartest guy evah? There is not one shred of evidence he is. Not one paper/grade has been released and all appear to be under lock and key, if not destroyed.

24K lady on September 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Osama Obama has weakened us financially and security-wise to an extent that would have gotten anyone else in his position removed from office the Constitutional way if the corruptocrats weren’t enabling him instead of watching out for their constituents’ best interests.

MrScribbler on September 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM

And anyone else would not have made it this far without any scrutiny, had it not been for the affirmative action treatment and fear that so many have of race riots resulting from treating all people equally.

Nixon got forced to resign for much less than what The PRecedent did during his campaign (the illegal donations, that we all know about) dwarfed the Watergate slush fund, and the various illegal operations surrounding the idiot messiah’s campaign (not restricted to the passport office “break in”, the Ohio state government turning on Joe The Plumber, the Chicago Senate seat, which The Precedent was in up to his neck, along with those major advisers around him, …) made the Watergate break in look like nothing but a “third rate burglary” – truly.

Affirmative action kills.

progressoverpeace on September 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM

fogw: i’m coming to B-more this weekend. meet me there & i’ll bring you down where some real Americans live.

kelley in virginia on September 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I lived in Virginia for a few years in the late 70s. Unfortunately just outside the beltway in Fairfax. My son & family live in Virginia Beach, where I often visit. So yeah, I know where to find real Americans by the boatload – if you catch my drift.

fogw on September 30, 2009 at 10:36 AM

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