Should there be a tax break for pet expenses?

posted at 8:48 am on September 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Last night, I received an interesting e-mail from a publicist looking to schedule interviews as part of a push for a new bill — the HAPPY Act.  No, that’s not some new twist on Hope and Change; in fact, it’s a bill introduced by Republican Congressman Thaddeus McCotter from Michigan, a reliable conservative.  McCotter and actor Robert Davi want people to get HAPPY over tax-deductible … pet expenses?

ACTON, CA – PetExemption.com founders Leo Grillo and Robert Davi are pleased that the Humanity and Pets Partnered Through the Years (“HAPPY”) Act was introduced last week in the U.S. House of Representative.  The legislation introduced by Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) is a federal bill that would reward pet owners by allowing them to deduct up to $3,500 for pet care costs, including veterinary services.

Leo Grillo has been at the forefront of animal welfare for more than 30 years, and his sanctuary, D.E.L.T.A. Rescue, has more animals than the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the Humane Society of the United States combined. It is the largest animal sanctuary in the world and the first no-kill, care-for-life sanctuary.

Actor-Director Robert Davi, best known for his roles in “Die Hard,” “License to Kill,” “The Goonies,” and “Profiler,” and directing the award-winning movie “The Dukes.”  Davi first wrote about the Pet Exemption in the Washington Times in April 2009.  “Every city in America spends tens of millions of taxpayer dollars on programs for abandoned animals. Like many government-funded programs, they overspend and underperform. By contrast, a tax exemption for pets would add to the education and rescue efforts and bring an added incentive to responsible prospective pet owners…  Let’s begin a national dialogue on this issue.”

Nearly 63 percent of American households have a pet. More than 44 million homes have a dog, and an additional 38.4 million have a cat. Most owners spend up to $1,000 each year on food, veterinary care and other costs, according to the ASPCA.

In 2008, the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association estimated that Americans spent more than $41 billion on their pets. Being allowed to use these expenses as deductions would positively affect the tax burden on a majority of American households.

Using the tax code to encourage positive behavior is a common practice. About 500,000 Americans are able to receive a tax credit for up to $3,150 for owning gas-saving hybrid cars. Many cities and states also reward hybrid-vehicle owners with access to HOV lanes and additional tax breaks. A tax exemption for pets would reward Americans for behavior they already are following to improve their health and well-being.

I like both Davi and McCotter, but this seems rather misguided, especially for a conservative Republican like McCotter.  Republicans have been demanding tax simplification, not further complication, for the last few years, and for good reasons.  The problem with the current tax code is precisely that “using the tax code to encourage positive behavior is common practice.”  Congress and presidents routinely press for tax breaks for their ideas of social engineering, which is why we now spend hundreds of billions of dollars in tax compliance.

In all of these cases, tax breaks essentially mean that taxpayers subsidize activities that get the tax break.  Taxpayers without children pay more than taxpayers with children, because we value procreation and population growth in the US.  Taxpayers without mortgages subsidize the tax breaks given to those who do, as the tax revenues have to eventually replace those lost through deductions.

Even if one grants that as a legitimate mechanism for critical economic issues, would that include pet ownership?  What critical purpose gets filled by owning a cat, dog, or a bird?  How should one family’s pet get them off the hook for taxes that others pay?

This will likely not go far, mainly due to the lack of access given Republicans in Nancy Pelosi’s House.  In this case, that’s a good thing.  Republicans need to stop contributing to tax-code complexity and unsupportable tax subsidies and focus on tax simplification.  We don’t need to get HAPPY; we need to get serious.

Update: Jazz Shaw wonders about fraud:

One other area which Ed doesn’t touch on is the question of verification and fraud. I suppose the vet bills could be tracked readily enough if we’re going to put enough people on the job, but what of the pet food and other normal household expenses? Are we to save every week’s grocery receipts for the year and mail them all in? And the IRS has to go through them all? And what of people who decide to claim they had a pet even though they don’t just for the new deduction? I can just see the IRS agents coming around to people’s homes each spring.

Jazz offers some hilarious thoughts on how an audit would go.  Like me, Jazz loves his pets, but doesn’t expect the rest of us to foot their bills.

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To heck with tax credits!

We need federal, universal pet care for all. Some companies don’t offer it to their employees. Evil capitalists!

Just imagine, if we had nat-pet-care then Michael Vick’s pit bulls might still be alive today to……….keep tearing other dogs viciously.

MMM…..MMM……MMM……

JoeinTX on September 29, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Meh. I like the idea. It may lead to a higher adoption rate at animal shelters and less euthanasia of unwanted animals.

elduende on September 29, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Are these guys bark-at-the-moon CRAZY?

But it should dove tail nicely with a certain Obama advisor’s agenda, right up to where your tax-deductible goldfish sues you.

tree hugging sister on September 29, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Sounds like another closeted gay Republican pandering to all those same-sex couples that have squeaky little dogs or obese felines instead of children.

Too bad Craig isn’t still around to introduce ther measure in the Senate.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Mccotter must go. NOW!!!

RWLA on September 29, 2009 at 8:55 AM

We need federal, universal pet care for all.

JoeinTX on September 29, 2009 at 8:52 AM

In Canada were they don’t have universal pet care, pets actually can get MRI’s faster than humans! /seriously

Caper29 on September 29, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Government mandated Pet Health Care Insurance will be next.

desertdweller on September 29, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Moronic. I thought McCotter was a serious person.

BuckeyeSam on September 29, 2009 at 8:57 AM

My 120 pounds rottie masha says we don’t need no stinkin tax break, show me the money….

SHARPTOOTH on September 29, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Sounds like another closeted gay Republican pandering to all those same-sex couples that have squeaky little dogs or obese felines instead of children.

Too bad Craig isn’t still around to introduce ther measure in the Senate.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

I though you libs were supposed to be tolerant. Homophobe.

Disturb the Universe on September 29, 2009 at 8:58 AM

As an owner of 2 boxers, this is so stupid. Seriously, does PETA need another crazy a$$ idea to attach itself to? Can they not come up with stupid a$$ ideas on their own? What’s next, carbon tax credits for having grass in your yard? Sheesh this is stupid.

milwife88 on September 29, 2009 at 8:58 AM

I cannot believe that Thadeus McCotter thought up this bill! ugh I wonder if my pet rock would be eligible….hmm

becki51758 on September 29, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

always so angry…

SHARPTOOTH on September 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM

I work for a dog daycare where this bill would really help our small business and even I think this is crazy.

sammypants on September 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM

[elduende on September 29, 2009 at 8:53 AM]

You aren’t serious, are you?

Dusty on September 29, 2009 at 9:01 AM

No thanks. I don’t want the IRS involved in anything that has to do with my cat.

zoyclem on September 29, 2009 at 9:01 AM

While it would be nice to receive a tax break for our two cats(Cash For Kitties?), I’m tired of all the subsidies. The government is broke. Let’s not add another program, no matter how good the intentions are.

Doughboy on September 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM

First come the tax breaks, then come the mandates.

Kissmygrits on September 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

For the record, I’m not closeted, I’m a proud conservative republican and I own a pitbull. (LOL, I’m sure you can read all sorts of macho-psychosis into that…)

:-)

D2Boston on September 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Maybe not a bad idea afterall. At the rate the government is spending money, it won’t be long before we are all eating dog food.

percysunshine on September 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM

On the other hand, when we calculate the carbon footprint of the animal, based on production of food and the CO2 emmissions of the animal itself, under cap and trade, you’ll actually owe the Feds some money.

I demand subsidies for houseplants! They’re a carbon sink.

trubble on September 29, 2009 at 9:03 AM

As someone who spends thousands each year on pet care, I think this idea is ridiculous. Sure, it will encourage more adoptions, but to the wrong kind of people – those who only want a pet for the tax break.

JA on September 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM

I actually like this idea, though I’ll admit I’m a little torn.

There’s no chance that we’re going to see a simpler tax code any time soon, so anything that allows me to keep a little bit more of my money I tend to be in favor of. I also tend to support things that encourage pet adoption.

However, philisophically I’d like to see every member of the GOP push for a simplification every chance they get. This obviously goes in the wrong direction from that.

So I’m torn.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

When you first started posting here I actually considered you to be a valuable contributor to the site. I’ve even passed your ‘Bleeds Blue flat tax’ on to a few of my friends.

But you’ve been undergoing some serious de-evolution lately.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Sounds like another closeted gay Republican pandering to all those same-sex couples that have squeaky little dogs or obese felines instead of children.

Too bad Craig isn’t still around to introduce ther measure in the Senate.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Clearly you haven’t taken the saying, “It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt” to heart.

venividivici on September 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Eh, I’d rather keep the Bush tax cuts and have an additional across the board tax cut.

myrenovations on September 29, 2009 at 9:05 AM

[elduende on September 29, 2009 at 8:53 AM]

You aren’t serious, are you?

Dusty on September 29, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Sure, social policy aside, you can think of it as an added step to “starve the beast” (pun intended). The more you can itemize from your taxes and keep away from these leftist criminals the better in my opinion.

elduende on September 29, 2009 at 9:05 AM

I’ll let my dog have his say:

Woof. Woof woof. Woof woof woof woof, arf, arf, bark!

As for me, it is a stupid idea. Yeah, it’ll save me money, but really, why have an even more complex tax code. That’s time I could be spending playing with Sparky or giving him belly rubs.

rbj on September 29, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Bleeds BLue,
Stop projecting!

exhelodrvr on September 29, 2009 at 9:07 AM

If I buy my mother dogfood, can I deduct that?

Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM

I would like it. My dogs aren’t cheap, BUT, I fear this would lead to people picking up animals as ‘pets’, but not really caring for them properly.

And by the way…WTF? As if there aren’t enough things to be working on in congress?!!?!?!?!?!!!

bridgetown on September 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM

The more you can itemize from your taxes and keep away from these leftist criminals the better in my opinion.

elduende on September 29, 2009 at 9:05 AM

I keep every single receipt I get, so I hopefully don’t miss a single thing when itemizing. It’s my own mini verysion of going galt.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM

How about tax breaks for porn!?

exhelodrvr on September 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM

My dog says he doesn’t really care as long as his meals, naps and walks are not interrupted.

BigD on September 29, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

It’s all about teh gays.

Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 9:09 AM

How about tax breaks for porn!?

exhelodrvr on September 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM

You tax dollars already pay for NEA porn grants.

Jeff from WI on September 29, 2009 at 9:10 AM

If I buy my mother dogfood, can I deduct that?

Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Depends…Alpo or the cheap dry store brand

Jeff from WI on September 29, 2009 at 9:11 AM

If you like your dog, you can keep your dog.

LibTired on September 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM

I don’t want people adopting animals, especially puppies, who aren’t ready to get a dog. I don’t want people too eager to adopt just because they get a tax break. I love adoption but legislation that puts stricter regulations on breeders and puppy mills is a better solution than tax breaks on pet costs.

sammypants on September 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Hey, animals are people too. Maybe ACORN could set up a pet sex slave operation to beat the taxes.

Mojave Mark on September 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Exactly. The less we are forced to give them the less they can screw us.

elduende on September 29, 2009 at 9:14 AM

It’s all about teh gays.

Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 9:09 AM

OT, but I think it’s funny that the Left seems to believe that anyone with an issue, however slight, with homosexuality is hiding their own homosexuality. This would mean that, what, something like 30-40% of the population is gay? Well, evidence from all over nature and human history shows that homosexuality is never more than a small percentage of the population, which would make a population with 30-40% gay people something like a hundred standard deviations from the norm. Yet, in the Leftist mind, something that has the most minuscule chance of being true is accepted as near-gospel. Clearly, they are not a group with a deep understanding of Occam’s Razor.

venividivici on September 29, 2009 at 9:14 AM

I used to love McCotter, but it seems his conservative principles end where his constuency begins, in terms of the auto industry

fivefeetoffury on September 29, 2009 at 9:15 AM

My maltipoo says her VPI pet insurance works just fine, thank you very much anyway.

mimi1220 on September 29, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Too bad Craig isn’t still around to introduce ther measure in the Senate.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Don’t worry, the poster boy for you liberals, Polanski, is on his way…funny how Craig is out, but Frank who ran a gay prostitution ring is still in office, Byrd the KKK’r is still in office…conservatives purge, liberals promote…

right2bright on September 29, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Haaaalp! I must have woken up on another planet.

Buy Danish on September 29, 2009 at 9:16 AM

If you like your dog, you can keep your dog.

LibTired on September 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM

So long as your dog doesn’t get wee-wee’d up.

If Obama starts talking about “Big Neuter & Big Spay”, that’s it.

venividivici on September 29, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Sounds like another closeted gay Republican pandering to all those same-sex couples that have squeaky little dogs or obese felines instead of children.

Too bad Craig isn’t still around to introduce ther measure in the Senate.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Why is this hateful fool allowed to spew his stupid here? Upstater got banned for playful kidding and poor timing. Get this maroon out of here!

Laura in Maryland on September 29, 2009 at 9:18 AM

As the owner of 4 dogs (dobie, greyhound, min-pin & chiquaqua, all w/health issues) I simply DON’T WANT any assistance from the friggin govt. Take care of your own pets- gheeeeeeesh. Are we are a nation of utter financial and fortitude weaklings?

Ris4victory on September 29, 2009 at 9:18 AM

I could have used this a few years back when my Lab had to have TPO (pelvic) surgery. *oof*

flipflop on September 29, 2009 at 9:18 AM

The cats want equal time…and why not rats or ferrets, you BIGOT!!!

right2bright on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

always so angry…

SHARPTOOTH on September 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Nah, not on this. I just thought of the many in my neighborhood who seem to think of their pets as the equivalent of children — yuppies, too, but the “teh gays” more often — and the semi-regular outing of closeted Republican legislators and made the connection.

The whole idea is so silly that I thought it deserved a silly response.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

I think people with drug addictions should get tax breaks, maybe $5000.

Addictions are expensive.

jhffmn on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

specieist!

corona on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Just how the heck do they plan on monitoring/enforcing this? I mean if you deduct for your mortgage, or for your hybrid car, you actually have to show some paperwork proving them. Can you just say “I have 23 cats” and write them off? There’s no cat licence requirement so will the IRS have pet inspectors now? If they do show up at your door and ask to see the cats you tell them ‘Ooops, they died’.

I’d like to purchase a licence for my pet fish, Eric!

Trafalgar on September 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM

The more you can itemize from your taxes and keep away from these leftist criminals the better in my opinion.

[elduende on September 29, 2009 at 9:05 AM]

If it were that easy they’d never have gotten us to where we are now, and I hardly think this will stump them.

Dusty on September 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM

How soon before we have our local animal control taken over by animal social workers? I bet they wouldn’t just give a pill for a suffering animal.

Laura in Maryland on September 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Maybe this is a way to prevent people from breaking the law and claiming their pets as dependants. You know, just trying to keep people honest. After all, it must really be a crisis, so many people facing jail time just because they think their shitzu is like their children.

Phil-351 on September 29, 2009 at 9:21 AM

sammypants on September 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Good point.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:21 AM

The whole idea is so silly that I thought it deserved a silly response.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

We like using the silly response of “racism”.

WashJeff on September 29, 2009 at 9:22 AM

I think the bill should use the term domesticated animal rather than “pet”. Domesticated animal includes hogs, cattle, etc since people have a twisted description of what is a pet. A dangerous snake or wild cat is not an animal.

AASLT on September 29, 2009 at 9:22 AM

So would a man-goat be covered by the HAPPY Act or ObamaCare?

WashJeff on September 29, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Meh. I like the idea. It may lead to a higher adoption rate at animal shelters and less euthanasia of unwanted animals.

elduende on September 29, 2009 at 8:53 AM

More likely it would churn up the puppy mills to high speed. Beware the unintended consequences of the feel good bill.

sweeper on September 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM

I think the bill should use the term domesticated animal rather than “pet”. Domesticated animal includes hogs, cattle, etc since people have a twisted description of what is a pet. A dangerous snake or wild cat is not an animal pet.

AASLT on September 29, 2009 at 9:22 AM

AASLT on September 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Exactly. The less we are forced to give them the less they can screw us.

elduende on September 29, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Well, I’m sure they’re still going to spend just as much as they would have otherwise. The only difference is that I’ll have a little bit more to go around once inflation starts making my money worthless.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM

If Obama starts talking about “Big Neuter & Big Spay”, that’s it.

venividivici on September 29, 2009 at 9:16 AM

You know darned well that when a vet needs a new Bentley or yacht, he says, “maybe I can make some money buy snipping some stuff.” ;)

Laura in Maryland on September 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Who in the GOP primary can we run against this completely…

INSANE

man?

Sapwolf on September 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM

[corona on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM]

I prefer anti-petite, thank you very much.

Dusty on September 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM

The whole idea is so silly that I thought it deserved a silly response.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

I like how your ‘silly’ responses usually involve accusing someone of being a racist or closet homosexual without any evidence.

Hilarious!

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I sometimes call my wife ‘pet’. Do I get a tax credit?

Trafalgar on September 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Can I write off the legal fees for my dog’s attorney?

chipandcharge on September 29, 2009 at 9:27 AM

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM

LOL!

sammypants on September 29, 2009 at 9:27 AM

I actually like this idea, though I’ll admit I’m a little torn.

There’s no chance that we’re going to see a simpler tax code any time soon, so anything that allows me to keep a little bit more of my money I tend to be in favor of. I also tend to support things that encourage pet adoption.

However, philisophically I’d like to see every member of the GOP push for a simplification every chance they get. This obviously goes in the wrong direction from that.

So I’m torn.
BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Really? As Ed points out, this just pushes the tax burden onto other people. I could understand your statement if you thought that a particular deduction or credit would lead to an overall decrease in the tax burden for everyone, but I don’t think that will be the effect here; do you?

And while you might want to encourage pet adoption, is this the kind of thing you want to use a tax incentive for? I think those should only be used in cases where we’d expect an overall positive economic impact.

If you agree with both parts of what I said, then we’re just pushing money around with this tax deduction.

tneloms on September 29, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Dusty on September 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Oh I agree with you but I have a feeling that before we can rid ourselves of this leftist cretin, the middle class is going to get hammered like never before and in a couple of years they’ll be looking to itemize whatever they can to save a few bucks.

sweeper on September 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Yeah, I hadn’t thought of that, although I don’t know much about the subject generally.

elduende on September 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM

The whole idea is so silly that I thought it deserved a silly response.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

I like how your ’silly’ responses usually involve accusing someone of being a racist or closet homosexual without any evidence.

Hilarious!

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I haven’t called anybody racist in days. And if anybody actually thought I was seriously accusing Congressman McCotter of being a closeted gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that) I apologize.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM

tneloms on September 29, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Yeah, a few of the other commenters have made me rethink me initial position. I still like the idea of sellfishly getting to deduct more money from my taxes, but that’s about it.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Sounds like another closeted gay Republican pandering to all those same-sex couples that have squeaky little dogs or obese felines instead of children.

Too bad Craig isn’t still around to introduce ther measure in the Senate.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Why is this hateful fool allowed to spew his stupid here? Upstater got banned for playful kidding and poor timing. Get this maroon out of here!

Laura in Maryland on September 29, 2009 at 9:18

I second this! Upstater got banned practically nothing and this idiot gets to come here and say things like this? It’s hateful…not to mention homophobic. Why is that tolerated?

Nah, not on this. I just thought of the many in my neighborhood who seem to think of their pets as the equivalent of children — yuppies, too, but the “teh gays” more often — and the semi-regular outing of closeted Republican legislators and made the connection.

The whole idea is so silly that I thought it deserved a silly response.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Oh, now I get it. All he has to do is say “just kidding” and it’s all okay…

ladyingray on September 29, 2009 at 9:31 AM

You know, this congress and administration just doesn’t get it— the image of Nero fiddling while Rome burned comes to mind. It’s about the economy, stupid!

Linnea on September 29, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Actually, the silliest aspect of this whole thing is the bill’s name, “HAPPY” — Humanity and Pets Partnered Through the Years is surely the most tortured acronym evah.

FlameWarrior on September 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM

So would a man-goat be covered by the HAPPY Act or ObamaCare?

WashJeff on September 29, 2009 at 9:22 AM

No, but man-bear-pig surely would be!

Linnea on September 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM

We really need to encourage this HAPPY Act PetCare program all across the national spectrum. Seriously.

The need is going to be apparent in just a few years, if not sooner.

And there will be a very real need.

Tad McCotter is on to something…crazy like a fox, I’d say.

We need to encourage pet ownership, and other pet perks now.

After all…as Obama tanks the economy, in less than a few sort years, we may be faced with having to eat those same pets for food. [I'd prefer healthy medically screened protein, wouldn't you?]

The ccst of food is going up…and faster and faster each day…can’t find an affordable cut of Angus these days.

Adopt a pet…a large one, or two, maybe take in a number of them, get that tax credit…saving a pet today may serve to save your family tomorrow.

Time to get HAPPY.

coldwarrior on September 29, 2009 at 9:34 AM

I’m generally opposed to targeted tax credits. General tax relief is a better approach to stimulating economic growth and helping the neediest among us.

As they say on my own Cape Cod,

a rising tide lifts all the boats.

— John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1917-1963)

Loxodonta on September 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM

I haven’t called anybody racist in days.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM

I meant the left in general, not you specifically. It highlights a difference between the right and left.

We think the left’s ideas are naive, utopian and based more on feeling than on fact.

You tend to think our ideas are uncaring or downright evil, which gives you the moral shield neccessary to call people a racist, or sexist, or a closet homosexual, with little to no evidence to back that claim up. If you had to acknowledge we held our ideological stance in good faith you wouldn’t be able to get away with that, and as a result you’d be forced to debate every issue with facts.

For a side that creates its policy decision from feelings and empathy, that’s a problem.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM

You know darned well that when a vet needs a new Bentley or yacht, he says, “maybe I can make some money buy snipping some stuff.” ;)

Laura in Maryland on September 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM

It was especially clever of them to get Bob Barker involved, too. I’m sure he got a couple of Bentley’s over the years with all the business he threw their way.

venividivici on September 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM

I second this! Upstater got banned practically nothing and this idiot gets to come here and say things like this? It’s hateful…not to mention homophobic. Why is that tolerated?

Some people on this blog have very strong opinions about gays and have said far harsher things than I, and meant them seriously, too. I guess I was surely tacky and probably inappropriate but I’m not copping to “hateful.”

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Many cities and states also reward hybrid-vehicle owners with access to HOV lanes and additional tax breaks.

People with pets on board will be allowed to use the car pool lane.

agmartin on September 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM

In all of these cases, tax breaks essentially mean that taxpayers subsidize activities that get the tax break. Taxpayers without children pay more than taxpayers with children, because we value procreation and population growth in the US. Taxpayers without mortgages subsidize the tax breaks given to those who do, as the tax revenues have to eventually replace those lost through deductions.

Allowing people to keep their own earnings is not a subsidy. If the $3500 pet deduction cancelled out a $2800 tax bill, 100% of the money involved was created by that taxpayer pet owner.

A $3500 tax credit would be a subsidy, but apparently that’s not what’s proposed.

Presuming that federal government is going to take $x out of the economy in taxes, and we only get to argue about who pays it, is one of the snares of the liberal welfare state I had thought the Republican Party was dedicated to opposing.

Chris_Balsz on September 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 8:54 AM

What do gay Republicans and same sex couples have to do with this issue?

Sounds like you’re a bigot.

Loxodonta on September 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I think people with drug addictions should get tax breaks, maybe $5000.

Addictions are expensive.

jhffmn on September 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM

To be fair to the addicts who can hold down a job it should be a refundable tax credit.
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agmartin on September 29, 2009 at 9:41 AM

I haven’t called anybody racist in days.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM

I meant the left in general, not you specifically. It highlights a difference between the right and left.

We think the left’s ideas are naive, utopian and based more on feeling than on fact.

You tend to think our ideas are uncaring or downright evil, which gives you the moral shield neccessary to call people a racist, or sexist, or a closet homosexual, with little to no evidence to back that claim up. If you had to acknowledge we held our ideological stance in good faith you wouldn’t be able to get away with that, and as a result you’d be forced to debate every issue with facts.

For a side that creates its policy decision from feelings and empathy, that’s a problem.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Wait — I’ll bet not an hour goes by on this site without somebody calling “us” idiot statist Nazi socialists who voted for an affirmative action president out of white guilt and are intent on destroying America. Your side is quite as happy to descend into name-calling as mine.

At any rate, I will refrain from accusing Congressmen of beung closet cases if you’ll allow me a little daylight between myself and some less nunced members of the Left

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:43 AM

There’s no cat licence requirement so will the IRS have pet inspectors now? If they do show up at your door and ask to see the cats you tell them ‘Ooops, they died’.

I’d like to purchase a licence for my pet fish, Eric!

Trafalgar on September 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM

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Perhaps you should investigate the provisions proposed under the National Animal Identification System.

News2Use on September 29, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Should there be a tax break for pet expenses?

Absolutely! (Hmmm…. how many pets will I need to engineer a zero tax burden? :-)

RD on September 29, 2009 at 9:45 AM

While it may be a good cause, it is none of congress’ business.

Vashta.Nerada on September 29, 2009 at 9:48 AM

The more you can itemize from your taxes and keep away from these leftist criminals the better in my opinion.

elduende on September 29, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Exactly right! I’m for almost anything that will keep more of my money out of the government’s incompetent hands.

Oldnuke on September 29, 2009 at 9:48 AM

and the more complex the government tax code with innumerable social-engineering tax breaks, the more the government runs your life.

michaelo on September 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM

We think the left’s ideas are naive, utopian and based more on feeling than on fact.

You tend to think our ideas are uncaring or downright evil, which gives you the moral shield neccessary to call people a racist, or sexist, or a closet homosexual, with little to no evidence to back that claim up.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Wait — I’ll bet not an hour goes by on this site without somebody calling “us” idiot statist Nazi socialists who voted for an affirmative action president out of white guilt and are intent on destroying America. Your side is quite as happy to descend into name-calling as mine.

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Bleeds Blue is exactly right.

Plenty on the right think what you think about the left (that they’re bleeding heart liberals, but at least mean well), but plenty on the right also say that the left is a bunch of statist Nazis who want to impose martial law and force their children to become homosexuals.

Similarly, plenty on the left think that the right is well-meaning but wrong (for example, that free market principles are good in theory but need to be regulated in practice), and plenty on the left say that the right is a bunch of rich white religious nuts who want to make this country a church where science is denied and homosexuals are burned.

You should call out more commenters on HotAir when they call Obama things like Ogabe, Osama, etc.

tneloms on September 29, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Wait — I’ll bet not an hour goes by on this site without somebody calling “us” idiot statist Nazi socialists who voted for an affirmative action president out of white guilt and are intent on destroying America. Your side is quite as happy to descend into name-calling as mine.

At any rate, I will refrain from accusing Congressmen of beung closet cases if you’ll allow me a little daylight between myself and some less nunced members of the Left

Bleeds Blue on September 29, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Well ‘idiot’ parellels ‘naive’ pretty well. And both ‘statist’ and ‘socialist’ describe political or ideological positions to which the dominate factions of the Democrat Party subscribe. The only one of the names you used that’s unfair would be ‘nazi’, which is a completely stupid thing to call “you”.

And I generally don’t lump you in with the more ridiculous leftists here. Up until the last week or so I considered you to be a worthwhile contributor to the site, but your posts of late have contained little to no facts or arguments, and have mainly been over-the-top attacks like your first one on this thread.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:54 AM

and the more complex the government tax code with innumerable social-engineering tax breaks, the more the government runs your life.

michaelo on September 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM

I would say a string puppet is a good analogy of the American citizen’s relationship to the federal government.

WashJeff on September 29, 2009 at 9:57 AM

And as a side note, just because we have conservative posters here who do call your side nazis, I don’t see how that’s a reasonable excuse for you to call our side equivalent names.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. You’re a parent; I assume you’ve taught your kids that.

BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Dumb idea. But, I’ll be the first to acknowledge that there is nothing better than a dog. They are truly a gift from God.

Blake on September 29, 2009 at 9:57 AM

truly a gift from God.

Blake on September 29, 2009 at 9:57 AM

And if you’re dyslexic, they are the same…

right2bright on September 29, 2009 at 10:03 AM

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