Coldest winter in a decade coming?

posted at 12:55 pm on September 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The East Coast should brace for its coldest winter in a decade, and oil commodities traders for sharply higher prices, says a forecaster who serves the commodity markets.  This comes as two people on the East Coast introduce a bill designed to combat global warming by imposing emissions controls on the energy industry — which will also make prices go higher, but for much longer and much less reason:

The U.S. Northeast may have the coldest winter in a decade because of a weak El Nino, a warming current in the Pacific Ocean, according to Matt Rogers, a forecaster at Commodity Weather Group.

“Weak El Ninos are notorious for cold and snowy weather on the Eastern seaboard,” Rogers said in a Bloomberg Television interview from Washington. “About 70 percent to 75 percent of the time a weak El Nino will deliver the goods in terms of above-normal heating demand and cold weather. It’s pretty good odds.”

As a result, the oil traders have stockpiled heating oil to levels not seen in 27 years.  Even with the huge inventory, prices have still risen, and hedge funds have kept betting on long positions for oil.  They’re expecting a long, cold winter with plenty of demand for heating oil.

On the other hand, we have noted meteorologists John Kerry and Barbara Boxer, insisting that the world is growing warmer:

Ending some nine months of closed-door deliberations, Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and John Kerry (D-Mass.) will release global warming legislation Wednesday that they hope will be the vehicle for broader Senate negotiations and an eventual conference with the House.

The bill’s authors said last week that they expect to start hearings early next month on the bill, with a markup in Boxer’s Environment and Public Works Committee to follow soon thereafter. They also acknowledged that their legislation is just a “starting point” in a bid to win over moderate and conservative Democrats, as well as Republicans. …

Kerry last week sought to change the vernacular surrounding the climate bill and sell its concepts more broadly, insisting it is not a “cap and trade” proposal but a “pollution reduction” bill. “I don’t know what ‘cap and trade’ means. I don’t think the average American does,” Kerry said. “This is not a cap-and-trade bill, it’s a pollution reduction bill” (E&E Daily, Sept. 25).

But a leading GOP opponent to the Senate climate effort quickly pushed back on the Democrat’s strategy.

“No matter the semantic games employed, or the extent to which Democrats wish to hide the truth from the American people, cap and trade will mean more job losses, more pain at the pump, and higher food and electricity prices for consumers,” said EPW Committee ranking member James Inhofe (R-Okla.).”

Jules Crittenden wonders why no one will explain why the El Nino didn’t get stronger rather than weaker, considering the global-warming activists insist that we’re on an inexorable path to Saunaville:

I’m confused about this bit, though. El Nino is a periodic warming in the eastern Pacific. The article doesn’t explain why it isn’t warming as much as it usually does, which is odd. I thought everything is getting warmer. El Nino is a somewhat mysterious and poorly understood phenomenon, like much of the often subtle underpinnings of weather. In fact, the article, focused mainly on what great news a cold winter is for energy traders, doesn’t mention the bigger “warming” picture at all.

Global warming, that is, which this Nobel Laureate in Economics … speaking of poorly understood, mystery-shrouded, in fact notoriously inexact sciences … insists is beyond questioning.

Related, senators John Kerry and Barbara Boxer are getting ready to lead the charge on the big climate change bill in the Senate. NYT. I take this as good news. Rank partisans in charge of a rank partisan bill, in the wake of the rankly partisan health-care debacle, should go nowhere. Correction: Inept rank partisans …

Global-warming activists insist that we can’t take an assumption from a single year.  However, if the CWS forecast turns out to be correct, we will have gone eleven years without any warming at all — eleven years in which carbon emissions did not decline in any significant manner.  How does one begin to explain that?  And how will Kerry and Boxer and the rest of their Democratic colleagues try to sell cap-and-trade as a scientific necessity while people spend a fortune heating their homes in the coldest winter in a decade?

Great timing, Senators!

Addendum: It looks like a colder and longer winter for us in Minnesota, too, and that follows the 2008-9 winter, one of the coldest and longest in the last 15 years.  The temperatures have dropped 15 degrees since last week.  We got snow in October last year, and we may see that this year again, although it will have to drop down quite a bit farther for that.  This follows a summer in which we never saw a 90-degree day.  Global warming?  Not so much in the upper Midwest.

Update: Is the “hockey stick” dead?  Using a wider collection of data seems to eliminate the warming spike shown to argue for global warming.

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How much dry land ice (Antarctic-South Pole region) needs to melt to raise the ocean (2/3s of the global surface) sea level, say 6 inches ?

jerseyman on September 29, 2009 at 2:15 PM

75% of 5.1 × 10^8 km² * .00015 km = 5.7 × 10^4 cubic killometers.

Count to 10 on September 29, 2009 at 2:22 PM

However water does expand when it heats. So if the oceans were to warm, the oceans would rise from that affect alone.

Fortunately, the Argos probes have found that the oceans are cooling, not warming.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Thank you for pointing this out.
And obviously the puny short range data sets we have gathered over our pitifully small existence when compared to the expanse of Geolgic time only probabnly confuses us more than helping us reach any meaningful conclusions as to how the chaotic system of weather works on this planet.

Badger40 on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

It’s the SUN.

We’re in the depths of the deepest, longest solar minium in 100 years: http://www.spaceweather.com.

Here’s some undisputed science for ya — deep solar minima are associated with cold weather spells and active solar maxima with warm ones. Look up the Maunder minimum and the Medieval maximum. All the so-called Global Warming data was collected during the Modern Maximum, and era of quite high solar maxima, which ended in 2004 at the end of the last solar cycle (#23).

starboardhelm on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

If only King Arugula would learn how to use the weather machine Bush left in the basement…

itsacookbook on September 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Do you mean the Touchstone device?

Badger40 on September 29, 2009 at 1:55 PM

+1 for the SG-1 reference. I miss that show.

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

That, plus the fact that only 2.5% of all water on Earth is frozen, so any impact would be virtually nonexistent.

Vashta.Nerada on September 29, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Given the amount of water that exists on the earth, even a trivial amount would be a large increase in ocean heights.

If all the ice in the world melted, it would raise the ocean levels more than 100 feet.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I miss that show.

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Me too.
But I’m a late bloomer.
I power watched seasons 1-9 this summer bcs we only have 1 channel to watch.
I am waiting to watch 10. Bcs then it’s all over. :(

Badger40 on September 29, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Nice to see you. :)

upinak on September 29, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Always a pleasure to see you too. : )

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 2:24 PM

It’s the SUN.
starboardhelm on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

And the eccentricities in the Earth’s orbit & oceanic & atmospheric heat transport mechanisms & blah blah blah.
Most notably, however, is the Sun as you are pointing out.
The fact that no one ever gives this the noise it deserves is beyond me.

Badger40 on September 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM

starboardhelm on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

During the late 20th century, the sun was most active ever recorded.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM

+1 for the SG-1 reference. I miss that show.

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Hey, I made a SG-1 reference too, where’s my love?

redshirt on September 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Large storms generate significant storm surges along ocean coasts. Upwards of 10, 20 feet or more. So this is the operating situation currently facing beach houses, hotels, etc. every single year. How much will melting icecaps raise current ocean levels (again, taking into consideration all the observations noted above: floating ice (N Pole) does not raise sea level when melted, the surface area of the oceans far exceeds the volume of water added, and more melted ice flowing to warmer regions will increase evaporation, compared to the current annual rise and fall of sea levels (tides, waves, storm surges) on a short term basis. How does anyone create fear and panic from melting ice caps with any scientific basis whatsoever?

jerseyman on September 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Well Capn’ Ed,

This oldie-but-goodie cartoon still applies
… don’t you think?

newton on September 29, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I wonder if CJ over at LGF will mention this report?

redshirt on September 29, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Paul Krugman’s column from yesterday is timely for completely missing the mark on the weather. Here are the first few lines:

Every once in a while I feel despair over the fate of the planet. If you’ve been following climate science, you know what I mean: the sense that we’re hurtling toward catastrophe but nobody wants to hear about it or do anything to avert it.

And here’s the thing: I’m not engaging in hyperbole.

Of course not, we all know you for the sane and sensible columnist you are. Your background in economics makes you the perfect spokesman regarding climatology.

In reality, what does it say about a newspaper man who is acting as Barbara Boxer’s and John Kerry’s bitch?

Mallard T. Drake on September 29, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Someone should tell those nitwits that if they believe CO2 is pollution, then for Chrissakes, quit breathing.

hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 2:33 PM

hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 2:33 PM

+100
But of course, they are exempt.
You are not.

Badger40 on September 29, 2009 at 2:35 PM

I just got my car snow removal contract sent to me from the condo landscapers. Last year after 108 inches of snow from the prior year, I contracted with the condo landscapers to remove the snow from my SUV at the same time they are shoveling the sidewalks to our front door here at the condos. Best $125 I ever spent. I am re-upping the contract this year. We got 105 inches of snow last year. The norm is around 80 inches. So I am all set for more global cooling.

Now if I could just figure out how to not exhale CO2, then I can be more carbon neutral even though I drive an SUV!! LOL

karenhasfreedom on September 29, 2009 at 2:41 PM

If you like your temperature, you can keep your temperature.

LibTired on September 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Hehe! Good one!

SouthernGent on September 29, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Warmer oceans would evaporate faster.

Evaporation is the essence of refrigeration.

So, this planet is water-cooled, and there’s plenty of coolant.

Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM

As the upcoming ice age continues to develop, they will soon be begging us to dump as much CO2 into the atmosphere as possible just to mitigate its effects . . .

– and it still won’t make any difference because human activity is absolutely insignificant in comparison to natural processes (volcanos, sun spots, etc).

Fatal on September 29, 2009 at 2:52 PM

So, this planet is water-cooled, and there’s plenty of coolant.

Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Not so much water-cooled as water-regulated.
(It is also insulated and stabilized by water)

Count to 10 on September 29, 2009 at 2:53 PM

They are saying it will be 38 degrees tonight here in southern Indiana, and it is not even October. brrrrr.

Terrye on September 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM

insisting it is not a “cap and trade” proposal but a “pollution reduction” bill. “I don’t know what ‘cap and trade’ means. I don’t think the average American does,” Kerry said.

It’a not a steaming pile of Sh!t, it is a heat emitting pile of naturally processed byproduct.

milwife88 on September 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM

When you have central air conditioning all ready (like most of CA), it’s natural to use it as a heat pump (basically just reverse its function), because it actually pulls heat in from the outside in addition to the heat generated by operation. However, the gain on this gets smaller and smaller the colder it gets outside, so it probably isn’t that efficient in places that get really cold.

Count to 10 on September 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Actually the modern thermopumps are very efficient and can deliver economies even in Canada. They are usually set up in conjunction with a secondary furnace, gas or oil, which kicks in when the pump cannot generate enough heat. In a normal set up the pump does everything, heating and cooling if the temperature is above 0C (32F), it works with the furnace when the temperature is between -17C (0F) and 0C (32F) and the furnace takes over completely when the temperature plunges below -17C (()F). Such a setup can yield economies of up to 45% on heating bills while also providing air conditioning in the summer.

Annar on September 29, 2009 at 3:01 PM

insisting it is not a “cap and trade” proposal but a “pollution reduction” bill. “I don’t know what ‘cap and trade’ means. I don’t think the average American does,” Kerry said.

It’a not a steaming pile of Sh!t, it is a heat emitting pile of naturally processed byproduct.

milwife88 on September 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Which is exactly what that steaming pile of sh!t Kerry and his friends are counting.

Fighton03 on September 29, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Warmer oceans would evaporate faster.

Evaporation is the essence of refrigeration.

So, this planet is water-cooled, and there’s plenty of coolant.

Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Every drop of water that evaporates has to eventually condense. When the water condenses, it releases all of the heat absorbed by evaporation.

Fortunately moist air is less dense and so it rises. When the water condenses, it is miles higher in the atmosphere than when it evaporated. This means that the heat is being released above much to most of the greenhouse gases and is able to escape to space more easily.

Additionally, more evaporation results in more low level clouds, and clouds reflect significant amounts of sunlight, thus cooling the ground beneath them.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Terrye on September 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM

We have a freeze warning tonight in central Iowa.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 3:05 PM

+1 for the SG-1 reference. I miss that show.

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

The Wraith would have definitley been DemonRats as they feed on the masses

larvcom on September 29, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Every drop of water that evaporates has to eventually condense.

When it cools, or contacts a cool surface, yes. Then we get back into the ice forming again.

It’s always dynamic. Warm or hot air can hold an incredible amount of water.

karl9000 on September 29, 2009 at 3:13 PM

We’ve just split more wood than last year in preparation for a colder winter in the NW. It starts this week. Don’t these people know it’s not nice to fool Mother Nature? Hope they get snowed in and freeze their fannies off.

Kissmygrits on September 29, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Al Gore could not be reached for comments. Loud sobs were heard to emanate from his palatial mansion.

GarandFan on September 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM

If this winter is as cold as the last, we will be entering our fourth straight year of Global Cooling. How long will it take for liberals to get a clue?

Basilsbest on September 29, 2009 at 3:31 PM

If this winter is as cold as the last, we will be entering our fourth straight year of Global Cooling. How long will it take for liberals to get a clue?

Basilsbest on September 29, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Never will, it’s not in their nature to be smart. Remember, liberism is a mental disorder.

larvcom on September 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Coldest winter in a decade is the worst news I’ve had all day. Last winter here in the Northeast was an icy freezy nightmare. Locked in a set price for heating oil this spring. Hope the company doesn’t go belly up.

Obama’s heating bill, who keeps the White House – according to Axelrod – at “hothouse temp,” “warm enough to grow orchids,” will be paid BY US no matter what.

Sweet thought, uh?

marybel on September 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Maybe it’s time to bring back the old adage and change it slightly.

Let the Eastern libtards freeze in the dark.

txdoc on September 29, 2009 at 3:39 PM

However water does expand when it heats. So if the oceans were to warm, the oceans would rise from that affect alone.

Fortunately, the Argos probes have found that the oceans are cooling, not warming.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Based on sound scientific research (see Markthegreat, 2009), Sen. Kerry will include a provision in his soon to be released “pollution reduction” bill to call for the elimination of water heaters across the globe. “Research indicates”, said Kerry, “that water expands as it warms, which will lead to flooding of coastal areas. Therefore, it makes sense to take those steps necessary to reduce the amount of man-made warm water”.

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Hey, I made a SG-1 reference too, where’s my love?

redshirt on September 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM

I’m sorry, I must have missed it. Love to you, and to the guy that mentioned Wraith. : )

I know I’m late – I was at the store, trying to find extra plushie old-growth tree only 3-ply toilet paper.

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Oh goody, we are getting a cosmic ray maximum.

Though even though cosmic rays are know to help cloud formation and thus reflect more sunlight back into space, helping to lower the temperature “Though some have suggested that cosmic rays might be behind the Earth’s current warming climate, research has shown no firm link between these invading rays and global warming.”

pssst, it is because those rays are linked to global cooling.

rbj on September 29, 2009 at 3:50 PM

I know I’m late – I was at the store, trying to find extra plushie old-growth tree only 3-ply toilet paper.

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 3:47 PM

But, not the dolphin-free TP, eh? How many dolphins must die so you can be clean, huh?

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 3:50 PM

The East Coast should brace for its coldest winter in a decade

So how much is it going to cost us taxpayers this year to keep the White House at the temperatures preferred by its current occupant? Or will it come out of the First Lady’s shoe budget? ;)

March Hare on September 29, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Oh goody, we are getting a cosmic ray maximum.

Wrong. It’s the Israeli cosmic anti-dictator ray.

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 3:51 PM

I know I’m late – I was at the store, trying to find extra plushie old-growth tree only 3-ply toilet paper.

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I used that to TP the neighbors house. They are big time greenie weenies!

redshirt on September 29, 2009 at 4:02 PM

I’ve lived in Colorado Springs 15 years, until this year I had not seen SNOW in September. I expected our first snowfall in October – that would be usual.

It’s about money. Gore is positioned to make hundreds of millions.

Shambhala on September 29, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Tonight it will be in the 40s in Atlanta. Where can I order up some of that global warming, I can sure use some.

angryed on September 29, 2009 at 4:03 PM

starboardhelm on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

How could the sun actually affect the earth’s temperature?
That would mean that olive trees would grow in the German Ruhr valley during the middle ages. So that is where those krauts got all of those olives.

Johan Klaus on September 29, 2009 at 4:11 PM

The meteorologist can’t get Texas weather correct 3 days out – how in the heck can they predict 3 decades out? And, weather in Texas can fluctuate anywhere from 30-40 degrees in one day (50′s in the morning/80′s in afternoon). So, how will a rise in temps by 1-2 degrees be deadly to us? When will the nutjobs realize that they can not control the weather!!

whatzit2u on September 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Anna on September 29, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Were you at Walmart with those old growth Walmart signs, where the spotted owls make their nest?

Johan Klaus on September 29, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I really don`t know,its cold up here in Northern
Ontario,and it is almost October, snow soon,did
I say it was cold… …

canopfor on September 29, 2009 at 4:18 PM

We’ve already had snow in CO this year, 6 inches fell at my house last week. Up in Aspen they had over a foot.

And we’re talking SEPTEMBER.

Global Warming? LMAO

Norwegian on September 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM

I’d love to keep following this thread, but it’s time to go and find some old-growth kindling to start my tire fire, so I can roast me some baby seals. Gotta keep up my conservative street cred, ya know.

hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM

The maximum density of water occurs at 3.98°C (39.16 °F) Water becomes even less dense upon freezing, expanding 9%. This results in an unusual phenomenon: water’s solid form, ice, floats upon water, allowing organisms to survive inside a partially-frozen water body because the water on the bottom has a temperature of around 4 °C (39 °F).

Sasnak on September 29, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Oh-noes! It might get down to freezing around here. Maybe I should buy a jacket.

bitsy on September 29, 2009 at 4:23 PM

so I can roast me some baby seals.
hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Make sure to serve them with a spotted owl kabob.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 4:25 PM

“I don’t know what ‘cap and trade’ means. I don’t think the average American does,” Kerry said.

That is because you, Mr. Kerry, are considerably less intelligent than the average American.

bitsy on September 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM

so I can roast me some baby seals.
hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Make sure to serve them with a spotted owl kabob.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 4:25 PM

And a fillet of poached Delta Smelt.

bitsy on September 29, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Make sure to serve them with a spotted owl kabob.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I’m thinkin’ spotted owl, stuffed with snail-darter and smelt, slow-roasted on my carbon-spewing tire fire…

mmmm mmmmm mmmmm.

hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 4:28 PM

hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 4:28 PM

…with a little mesquite imported from Crawford, TX for added nuance.

hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 4:31 PM

How much of the Earth’s oceans are being displaced by the current ice at the poles?

uknowmorethanme on September 29, 2009 at 4:31 PM

In other Odd News from last week,

Former US President Al Gore was disappointed after the annual Global Warming Conference was cancelled, for the 6th consecutive year, due to cold weather. Said Gore, “It’s disappointing, yes. For 5 years, we attempted to hold this very important meeting on the future of the planet in New York, but each time it snowed, and we had to cancel. So, this year, we moved the conference to Hawaii. Well, as you can tell, that didn’t work out, either”.

The Hawaii Department of Transporation spokesperson said he wasn’t sure when the roads would be clear of the 4 inches of snow and ice simply because they don’t have a single snowplow anywhere in the state.

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM

“John Ringo, please pick up the red courtesy phone. Repeat, will a Mr. John Ringo please pick up the red phone; We have a Capt. Farmer holding for you on line one.”

Blacksmith on September 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM

so I can roast me some baby seals. Gotta keep up my conservative street cred, ya know.

hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM

hillbillyjim: Don`t forget some young tasty baby squirrels
on a stick as well,as a side-dish,hehe:)

canopfor on September 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM

They finally wised up and decided it was smarter for them to predict cold winters so if it’s a warm winter they can say “hmm, must be some unnatural warming factor at work”.

I can show you New York Times articles blaming a “La Nina” that they claimed was in effect at the time causing record cold in the U.S. Northeast. They need all the excuses they can find to explain why predicted global warming isn’t happening so they will make things up as they go and change the old rules when they become inconvenient. They expect to cripple the US before before most people figure out that their climate hoax has already fallen apart.

Buddahpundit on September 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM

We had the heat on last night, we have a very high efficiency furnace and I noticed it stayed busy last night. (My mom is 85, she is always cold, so I have a fan blowing on me while the heat is on LOL).

karenhasfreedom on September 29, 2009 at 4:43 PM

What would you expect? Is this not our winter of disconnect…I mean discontent?

Halli Casser-Jayne http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

The CJ Political Report on September 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM

We had the heat on last night, we have a very high efficiency furnace and I noticed it stayed busy last night. (My mom is 85, she is always cold, so I have a fan blowing on me while the heat is on LOL).

karenhasfreedom on September 29, 2009 at 4:43 PM

I feel your “pain”. I walk around the house in winter in short pants — Dad is on blood-thinner and freezes to death at 75 degrees. Of course, Obamacare will fix all of that…

hillbillyjim on September 29, 2009 at 4:50 PM

If you like your temperature, you can keep your temperature.

LibTired on September 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM

We need to have a government funded option for predicting weather. We need competition. Many people are not satisfied with the weather and we need weather reform.
Women, children and the poor are hurt the most when we have bad weather. Big WEATHER is not fair to the hard working middle class.

seven on September 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM

(al gore’s voice) “We are on the verge of a man-made ice age”.

marklmail on September 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM

We need to have a government funded option for predicting weather. We need competition. Many people are not satisfied with the weather and we need weather reform.
Women, children and the poor are hurt the most when we have bad weather. Big WEATHER is not fair to the hard working middle class.

seven on September 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Here here! and Bravo!

I agree. Not only weather, but RVs also. I am just not happy with my RV. It’s too small. It is humiliating to pull into an RV resort and be stared at by all those “5o footers” as we call them. No, reform is needed in the RV industry. All RVs must be 50 feet!

Who’s with me?

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 4:59 PM

It’s the SUN.
starboardhelm on September 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM

+7%…

Seven Percent Solution on September 29, 2009 at 5:18 PM

We are in the beginning stages of a deep solar minimum. Compound that with several volcanic eruptions across the globe. It is the perfect recipe.

The French Revolution happened during dark economic times for France…

Holger on September 29, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Based on sound scientific research (see Markthegreat, 2009), Sen. Kerry will include a provision in his soon to be released “pollution reduction” bill to call for the elimination of water heaters across the globe. “Research indicates”, said Kerry, “that water expands as it warms, which will lead to flooding of coastal areas. Therefore, it makes sense to take those steps necessary to reduce the amount of man-made warm water”.

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Oh myyyy…

No hot water and only one tiny square of toilet paper per person. I know I won’t be hanging out in any crowds from now on. Can you imagine the stench coming off those sweaty bodies? It’ll stink like some third-world h#llholes I worked in years ago.

Can you smell that smell?

Ogabe on September 29, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Ogabe on September 29, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Obama wants to feel like Louis XVII so we must smell like French Peasants!

We also need the Jacobins for the full effect…

Yes We Can!

Holger on September 29, 2009 at 5:37 PM

(al gore’s voice) “We are on the verge of a man-bear-pig-made ice age”.

marklmail on September 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM

FIFY

Laura in Maryland on September 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM

It’s the SUN.

This has a lot to do with the cooler weather we’ve seen as of late. The lack of solar activity/sunspots has cooled us off a fair bit the couple of winters…

Dickie Dunn on September 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM

“This is not a cap-and-trade bill, it’s a pollution reduction bill”

If carbon dioxide is “pollution”, will John Kerry please stop polluting by stopping breathing? It will be a great relief to everyone else’s ears…

Does that mean soda and beer are pollution because they contain CO2? Kerry and Boxer, taking the sparkle out of life.

Steve Z on September 29, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Gaia is racist.

ronsfi on September 29, 2009 at 5:50 PM

hmmmm Ed,

you never mentioned the Sunspots. They are at a generantional level of inactivity. The correlation between sunspot activity and tempature is almost 100%

when the sun has less activity we get coolder/ when it has more we get warmer. Also i would like to know if Mars and Jupiter are also seeing a decrease in global tempatures. I remember the AGW folks tried to blame the increase in Mars temps on dust storms.

unseen on September 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Dickie Dunn on September 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Not necessarily, and this is a layman’s knowledge.

While Solar Minimums and Maximums correlate if not cause cooling and warming trends, the regular sunspot cycle has little effect. The 1930s had some of the hottest temps of the 20th Century and Sunspot activity was low.

Low sunspot activity allows for more deep space particles to enter the atmosphere and help in cloud formation which is what cools the planet.

The actual solar heating energy that the Earth is bombarded with is unchanged as far as I know.

Holger on September 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Holger on September 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM

There are other factors besides the sun as well (nino, oceanic temperatures, there are several things out there)…solar cycles and minima/maxima are just one piece of the puzzle…

Dickie Dunn on September 29, 2009 at 5:58 PM

(al gore’s voice) “We are on the verge of a man-bear-pig-made ice age”.

marklmail on September 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM

FIFY

Laura in Maryland on September 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM

I’m totally cereal!

redshirt on September 29, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Dickie Dunn on September 29, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Agreed.

I think we are agreed that Anthropogenic Climate Change through a miniscule Increase in an already miniscule concentration of a poor GHG is a failed hypothesis.

This isn’t Venus.

Holger on September 29, 2009 at 6:07 PM

It looks like a colder and longer winter for us in Minnesota

Personally, I blame Al Franken…

Bruno Strozek on September 29, 2009 at 6:11 PM

I think we are agreed that Anthropogenic Climate Change through a miniscule Increase in an already miniscule concentration of a poor GHG is a failed hypothesis.

absolutely…

Dickie Dunn on September 29, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Coldest winter in a decade coming?

blah blah blah

It’s that time of year. The really cold winter forecasts, and then the winter is just winter.

Moesart on September 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Warmer oceans would evaporate faster. Evaporation is the essence of refrigeration. So, this planet is water-cooled, and there’s plenty of coolant.
Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Yes, but it condenses as rain and releases heat. The single most significant green house gas is water vapor. As more water vapor is in the atmosphere more heat is absorbed and more water vapor is released. It is an additive feedback.

Pelayo on September 29, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Stoppit – just STOPPIT !!!

Anyone, who thinks a “weather forecaster” can actually forecast weather, 3 minutes, 3 days, 3 months, 3 years, 30 years, 300 years, or 3000 years ahead of time is a complete fool and idiot.

sheeesh

franksalterego on September 29, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I am looking forward to a reversal, complete and total, of any legislation that these a$$h0le global warming zealots enact, if anything.

I keep asking, where is the stinking tax money going to go and who is going to prioritize the spending, how is the tax money going to be protected from fraud, embezzlement, waste and defalcation and, most of all, how can I get my grubby little entrepreneurial paws on it before the politicians get their share?

I wanna know!

ExpressoBold on September 29, 2009 at 6:56 PM

In the spring of ’08 we had a wood-burning fireplace insert installed and last winter our house was warm. We were amazed at how warm–we have a two-story colonial and thought the woodstove would probably only heat the first floor and the second floor minimally (yes yes, I know heat rises, but still). Our entire home was cozy and not just superficially warm–the walls and the floor were warm. We saved a ton on oil and that insert was some of the best money we ever spent.

Our chimney sweep says he has not met one customer who has had an insert installed who has regretted it, and I believe him. If you have the ability to add one and don’t mind the work involved, I highly recommend it.

Niere on September 29, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Global warming does not actually require wamer temperatures. And it certainly does not require wamer temperatures where anybody lives who can report back first hand. Global warming requires only that a “researcher” say that there is less ice somewhere. That way, all the evidence of a cooling planet as witnessed by billions of people can be dismissed as “weather”, a strange outlier for something called “climate”.

Thus, it matters not if it is -100 C in Las Vegas this winter. None of the reality around us means anything. The earth is getting warmer simply because someone says there is some ice missing somewhere. And no matter how many winters and summers in a row are unusually cold, and no matter how many hundreds of millions of people experience this unusual coldness, the planet is still deemed, by “researchers”, to be getting warmer. The reason for this is that warmer and colder no longer have anything to do with temperature so thermometers are no longer required. Regardless of how cold the earth gets, the planet is still warming and will continue to warm for at least two more administrations.

keep the change on September 29, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Yes, but it condenses as rain and releases heat. The single most significant green house gas is water vapor. As more water vapor is in the atmosphere more heat is absorbed and more water vapor is released. It is an additive feedback.

Pelayo on September 29, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Erh…not exactly. What you say is correct, but you don’t complete the square. As water vapor increases, so does cloud cover, which cools the surface and the atmosphere. At the same time, we have this nifty thing called “night”, and another called “winter”. You may have noticed these.

Both have a tendency to cause condensation and then precipitation in the form of rain and/or snow. The winter thing has the added benefit of actually reducing the heating effect of that bright thing way up in the sky, which lowers the temperature for a long time.

In other words, it’s a natural cycle that’s been occuring for billions of years (which is slightly longer the UN has been “studying” this issue). Up and down and up and down…

Summer = Hot
Winter = Cold
(with or without water vapor)

Cool, huh?

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Thus, it matters not if it is -100 C in Las Vegas this winter. None of the reality around us means anything. The earth is getting warmer simply because someone says there is some ice missing somewhere.

All right, I confess. It was me. I had a big, no, huge, party and used a lot of ice.

Sorry about all this.

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 7:25 PM

There are other factors besides the sun as well (nino, oceanic temperatures, there are several things out there)…solar cycles and minima/maxima are just one piece of the puzzle…

Dickie Dunn on September 29, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Ah, but what drives the water cycle, cloud formation, el Nino, ocean surface temperatures, the jet streams, the Pacific decadal oscillation, the winds that cause the ocean gyres, etc? It all comes back to . . . the SUN!

At the end of the last ice age about 12,000 years ago, scientists figure the earth warmed up over 10 degrees in 2 or 3 years. I’ll bet it wasn’t man made CO2 that did that.

starboardhelm on September 29, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Just got back from a business trip to Baltimore – don’t know how many mini-vans I saw driven by soccer moms and bearing bumper stickers saying the CO2 footprint of the vehicle was offset by carbon credits.

You people in the Northeast need to get a grip on this.

HondaV65 on September 29, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Thus, it matters not if it is -100 C in Las Vegas this winter. None of the reality around us means anything. The earth is getting warmer simply because someone says there is some ice missing somewhere.

All right, I confess. It was me. I had a big, no, huge, party and used a lot of ice.

Sorry about all this.

BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Did you also serve beer?!!? Lotsa CO2 in beer, you bad boy.

starboardhelm on September 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM

If all the ice in the world melted, it would raise the ocean levels more than 100 feet.

MarkTheGreat on September 29, 2009

My piece of Indiana is 725 feet ASL, so I’m cool with that. My family on the coast in California though…
Seriously, it’s not about climate or even survival. It’s about power and money. So easy a caveman could do it.

SKYFOX on September 29, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Yup, it’s been unseasonably cool all year here in New York. I think this entire summer we had maybe 7 days that got above 90 degrees which is unheard of. Right now I am in the mid Hudson Valley and I am fixing to put up my storm windows by the weekend. In the six years that I’ve owned this house I haven’t had to do it before mid to late November.

muggedbyreality on September 29, 2009 at 7:52 PM

The same people who fell for and bought into Gorebull Warming, are the same people who fell for and bought into Hope and Change. They shouldn’t be allowed to drive, let alone vote, As soon as temperatures started to drop they altered it to”Climate Change”. Kinda’ like changing “Liberal” to “Progressive” once people discovered how Chappaquitical these liars really are.

ronnyraygun on September 29, 2009 at 7:55 PM

I’m coming in way late to the discussion, but this is one of my favorite subjects… and I get sooo aggravated by the Global Warming crowd. Many believe what they have been told, so not them as much. But some are lying to gain power and that really ticks me.

As has been pointed out repeatedly already… it’s the Sun! Gee, how could that happen? CO2 continues to rise (although not nearly the rate the Global Warming models claimed they would) but temperatures have been cooling for nearly 8 years now. Here is a SWEET pdf from the Science and Public Policy Institute. This is their July report and there is great stuff in here:

Also, we have a very quiet Sun at the same time that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation has flipped to a cold phase. (about 3 years ago) That’s why glaciers grew in Alaska 2 Winters ago and why (I believe) that El Nino didn’t take hold this time around. When the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is in a cold phase, North America has cold Winters. Remember the 70′s? (not just the polyester suits :-)

One last ingredient on the way. The Atlantic Decadal Oscillation is fixin’ ta flip to cold phase in say 10 years or less. Pacific Decadal Oscillation in cold phase plus quiet Sun plus Atlantic Decadal Oscillation in cold phase = long range forecast of cold and getting colder. This was the gist of last years Old Farmer’s Almanac article on a possible mini ice age coming.

Buy stock in Snuggies!!!

Ordinary1 on September 29, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Ugh. Messed up the link. Sorry :-)

Just click anywhere. It’ll work!

Ordinary1 on September 29, 2009 at 8:04 PM

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