Breaking: Senate Finance Committee defeats public-option amendment
posted at 4:25 pm on September 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Senate Finance Committee voted to defeat an amendment that would have added a public option to the Max Baucus plan for a health-care system overhaul, 15-8, in a vote that split Democrats and unified Republicans. It presents a victory for Baucus but a setback for the Obama administration, which insisted on getting a public option in a speech to Congress three weeks ago:
Liberal Democrats failed Tuesday to inject a government-run insurance option into sweeping health care legislation taking shape in the Senate Finance Committee, despite widespread accusations that private insurers routinely deny coverage in pursuit of higher profits.
The 15-8 rejection marked a victory for Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the committee chairman, who is hoping to push his middle-of-the-road measure through the panel by week’s end. It also kept alive the possibility that at least one Republican may yet swing behind the overhaul, a key goal of both Baucus and the White House.
“My job is to put together a bill that gets to 60 votes” in the full Senate, the Montana Democrat said shortly before he joined a majority on the committee in opposing the provision. “No one shows me how to get to 60 votes with a public option,” the term used to describe a new government role in health care. It takes 60 votes in the 100-member Senate to overcome delaying actions that Republicans may attempt.
Undeterred, supporters of a new role for government in U.S. health coverage immediately launched a new attempt to prevail.
Jay Rockefeller attempted to prevail on the vote by calling the insurance industry “rapacious,” immediately after saying that he “hate[d] to use the term.” Perhaps Rockefeller might want to check the dictionary for its definition. The word means “ravenous,” excessively grasping or covetous,” and “living on prey” — a strange definition of an industry that makes a meager 3.3% average profit margin. In contrast, the legal profession averages about 14.3% profit margin, and yet the Democrats seem completely unwilling to tackle tort reform, even as part of a health-care system overhaul.
This won’t be the last attempt to attach a public option to the bill, but the rest will probably have as much success. It’s far more likely to get added into a conference report when both chambers pass their versions of ObamaCare, and it’s just as likely that Rockefeller and Chuck Schumer offered this as a distraction from that effort.









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Tom Harkin is a LIAR….as usual.
portlandon on September 29, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Burn, baby burn. Disco inferno.
BadgerHawk on September 29, 2009 at 4:26 PM
I don’t trust any of these corruptocrats. I won’t feel safe until they stop trying to interfere in our business and they’re all out of office.
I guess I’ll never feel safe.
darwin on September 29, 2009 at 4:28 PM
mmm mmm mmm
MikeA on September 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM
You guys remember in Halloween the movie when Dr. Loomis shoots Michael Myers six times and he goes flying out the window and then he looks out the window to confirm he is dead, talks to Laurie, then turns back to look out the window again and he is gone?
Not sure what made me think of that.
Joe Caps on September 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM
He added that he thinks they’re not rapacious-rapacious.
mankai on September 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM
They are going to keep hammering away at this and trying to pass it under the cover of darkness. They are hoping the huge opposition will grow weary of the battle.
Meanwhile Rasmussen says 56% now apposed, and more than 67% opposed in the senior group. Among Indies, more than 70% opposed.
I think the Dems want to commit political suicide here.
karenhasfreedom on September 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM
We’ve only just begun. Somehow I don’t think this turkey call Healthcare Reform will be done by Thanksgiving.
kingsjester on September 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM
giggle.
bitsy on September 29, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Meanwhile, the idiot left are still spewing their tripe about needing a government run insurance company to “provide competition”.
Anyone American who tries to describe a government company as necessary to “provide competition” to the private sector is too stupid to be in a position of any power, at all. I can’t believe that peopel let these imbeciles get away with this. It is insane. Absolutely insane.
progressoverpeace on September 29, 2009 at 4:31 PM
That damn republican racist majority again!! Oh, wait.
Caper29 on September 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM
I don’t see how you get 60 votes either with or without.
Vashta.Nerada on September 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM
why all the attention on healthcare? doncha know there are more pressing issues facing our nation, like BO securing the ‘corruption-free’ Chicago Olympics bid?
gatorboy on September 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM
In the past 7 of 10 years, Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Montana has LOST money. If we’re an evil corporation, sucking money out of innocent Montanans and making obscene profits, we’re kind of sucking at being evil….
mjk on September 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I wonder how fun it is working in Congress now that the American people are watching their every move…?
Seven Percent Solution on September 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM
OT: Tsunami/Earthquake hit American Samoa. Here is what obama has sent for aid to our own people:
Reading Deadly Typhoon Ketsana Slams Into Vietnam over at MSNBC.com, I found this at the bottom of page 2:
The United States has donated $100,000 and deployed a military helicopter and five rubber boats manned by about 20 American soldiers from the country’s south, where they have been providing counterterrorism training.
Source: http://www.AmericanThinker.com
Key West Reader on September 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM
“rapacious” .. ACORN
J_Crater on September 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Went and read some of the comments at Dkos…
they gave me smile that will last the rest of
the day.
cozmo on September 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM
They just interviewed some lady congress person, I think from Maine that was spewing this tripe on Cavuto. She said “everyone back home wants to get this done”. She really believes the public option is necessary for competition. I guess it never occurred to her to allow her constituents to buy policies from other states since apparently few want to do business in her state. I bet they have a lot of mandates in Maine.
karenhasfreedom on September 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM
I keep writing my Senators telling them the government has become the biggest threat to our freedom in liberty. I want them to leave us alone.
I never get a response to that.
darwin on September 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Hey Obama,another iceberg dead ahead!
Again,mmm mmm mmm,dam it!!
canopfor on September 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Ugh. A distraction? Not time to let the guard down yet…
parteagirl on September 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM
See, Obama is bringing bi-partisanship to Washington! Now this may not be what he had in mind, but I can sure get behind it.
stldave on September 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM
If these clowns want compettition then get rid of the massive regulation that’s killing it.
darwin on September 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM
The cowardice behind that Baucus quote is staggering… um, Max, are you for a public option or a-gin it? Don’t just tell us what you need to do to pass any old bill… put your cookies on the table for the voters to see!
What if you had 60 votes to pass a PO? Would you then support it? Your constituents deserve an answer.
mankai on September 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM
mm mm mm,
Barack Insane Obama,
if you refuse to buy his plan,
he’ll throw your butt right in the can,
mm mm mm
Daggett on September 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Rapacious…as in “rapacious rapacious”?
heh…Well, anytime the dang public option goes fizzle, it’s good news.
JetBoy on September 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Oh, and Ed, glad to see you keep hammering home that 3.3% figure. Their whole basis for this overhaul is a canard.
stldave on September 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Does this mean Afrolib will have to continue going to Mexicali for his colonoscopies?
Chuck Schick on September 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Heh. Paging Tom Harkin.
SouthernGent on September 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
For which we need thousands of ravenous squirrels.
Steve Z on September 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
The problem with this is that everyone is now paying attn to it and it will MUCH harder to do something on the down low from here on out. Congress has already been nailed for not reading what they pass so claiming ignorance won’t fly on this one. Count me as one that still says that they’ll have a one heck of time passing the sweeping reform that most of them are dreaming about.
volnation on September 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
It’s all a big cobra dance. The “public option” is irrelevant. One way or another the Dems are going to force on us a government-run “health insurance exchange” and a government-appointed Health Choices Commissioner (what an ironic title). The whole bit about abortion funding and the public option are just distractions from that fact.
evergreen on September 29, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Do you have the committee roll-call vote?
Steve Z on September 29, 2009 at 4:38 PM
He’s hiding in the rest room
Jeff from WI on September 29, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Hey, lets’ try a pilot program where those who like the idea of a government run healthcare system can buy into the Cuban system.
We’ll set it up so they can keep their doctors, too!
BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Eternal vigilance is the price we pay for having Democrats in congress.
Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Funny, I would have though “rapacious” meant “characterized by actions of rape”.
Count to 10 on September 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM
What the hell is more important- 60 votes or what is right and good for the American people. They have lost their way big time. They came to a fork in the road and took it!
rjoco1 on September 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM
…with Larry Craig.
Akzed on September 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Roll call vote at redstate.com.
parteagirl on September 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM
“At least he didn’t rape her rapaciously”.
Yes…that works….
BobMbx on September 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Chris Dodd will just slip this in between pages 836 and 1019 just prior to the 3:00 a.m. vote.
smrtas1 on September 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM
I love watching the left implode.
It’s predictable a majority in their party would overreach and fall apart to infighting.
I asked my father after the election why he was so unconcerned about the leftward shift of our government. He predicted very little of Obama’s agenda would see the light of day and a major correction is coming in 2010.
jhffmn on September 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Will this stiffen the spines of the Blue Dogs in the House?
Let’s hope so.
And may this “reform” die the death of a thousand cuts. The Blue Dogs now have the political cover of saying that they won’t vote for a bill that can’t pass the Senate.
NoDonkey on September 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Well said and very true. We are all going to be exhausted by Jan. 20, 2013, only to be reinvigorated the following morning.
sherry on September 29, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Remember that the
publicgovernment option always can be slapped on the entire package in the Conference Committee, and only 51, not 60, Senate votes will then be needed.But, by then, even 51 might be hard to get.
Since, however, the libs will never give up on the government option, the emphasis still needs to be on killing the entire damn thing.
TXUS on September 29, 2009 at 4:44 PM
This thing will go to a conference committee, and I seriously doubt that Pelosi is going to allow a conference report that excludes the public option. And this is a good thing because the public option won’t pass in the senate.
Mark30339 on September 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
A lesson we should never again forget.
thomasaur on September 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I think 99.9% of HA readers would not oppose Dems committing political suicide, but that’s just my personal feeling.
VibrioCocci on September 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
c’mon MID TERM ELECTIONS! We have some House CLEANING to do….
SDarchitect on September 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
tHEY’RE PLAYING FOOTSIE
Jeff from WI on September 29, 2009 at 4:46 PM
I just heard Rockasmeller lie through his teeth on CNN. Claimed 67% of Americans want this. He also said that it wouldn’t help to allow companies to sell insurance across state lines, said it would be too confusing, and the details of policies are written in tiny print no one could understand. He really loved to sling mud about the companies being profitable, and that it was wrong that there’s no non-profit outfit for them to have to compete against.
I’m SICK of these people just lying through their teeth. I’m also sick of them being against profit, so what, we should all embrace the big loses of bloated government bureaucracies in every part of life instead?
flyfishingdad on September 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Let me be clear…
spmat on September 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I’m sure they’re all drinking Hemlock at Zsa Zsa Puffington’s amd at the DUmp as well.
One of my looney Left Facebook friends had this to say:
One of his brain-dead friends responded:
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Del Dolemonte on September 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Bipartisanship
FontanaConservative on September 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I heard that. Rockefeller is despicable.
Jeopardy Contestant Wolfe Blitzer let him get away with it too.
fogw on September 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Can we ship all these turds to the UK or Cuba to do a lengthy, detailed study on their ‘wonderful’ government run health plans and then revoke their passports please?
Firefly_76 on September 29, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Yep. It was absolutely disgusting. Her basic argument was that government is better at running business than private concerns, but Neil let her get away with that instead of asking her why, if the government is so great at running things, she doesn’t think that the government should just run everything. Her argument about “overhead” costs is very general and would extend to everything. It’s about time that someone forced the idiots to start explaining how they think that the government should run all business, instead of just their claim of needing it to “provide competition” for a select few. If the government were so great that it “provides competition” to the private sector (as insane an idea as has ever been forwarded in the US), then it could just run everything on its own. The lefties keep getting away with this stupidity. If they want socialism, and use socialist arguments, then they need to be forced to claim the ideology they are defending. It drives me up a friggin’ wall that they haven’t been nailed on this! It’s too easy to do, yet no one does it. Aaarrrgghh!!
progressoverpeace on September 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Exactly.
I’m sure the MSM will report it that way, both parties working together for what’s best for America.
Don’t hold your breath.
fogw on September 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Bahahahahahahaa! Coffee in my nose. Argh.
Key West Reader on September 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Oh, FYI – Blue Cross Blue Shield of Montana’s profit for the last fiscal year was 0.5%. Man, we are evil enemies, etc, etc.
mjk on September 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Or San Fransico, whichever is closer.
PappaMac on September 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Don’t for one second believe that these incongruous bastards won’t stick it back in some dark 3AM. Keep the heat on them. Better yet, let’s still vote the SOBs out anyhow.
Mr. Grump on September 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I’m not sure that “most of them”, or even most of the Democrats, are really dreaming about passing a sweeping reform. The whole idea of government-run health care, with bureaucrats deciding who gets what care, and cuts in Medicare benefits to fund it, has gotten senior citizens EXTREMELY P.O’d, and they turn out in droves during elections.
There are probably quite a few Democrats who see this health-care bill as their worst nightmare, and wish that it would quietly go away so they could concentrate on more voter-friendly legislation.
But they’re forced to listen to the Obama standing repeatedly on his soapbox pushing this monstrosity, while they mutter under their breath, “I’ve got to face angry voters two years before you do, will you PLEASE be quiet?”
Steve Z on September 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I think 99.9% of HA readers would not oppose Dems committing political suicide, but that’s just my personal feeling.
VibrioCocci on September 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
“I feel the Dems pain”- ROFL
I agree though we must remain focused on getting this thing killed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
huskerdiva on September 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM
love it!
VibrioCocci on September 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Please stop attacking lawyers. We keep the cogs moving in this over-regulated paradise.
Trent1289 on September 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Well there’s a nice positive we can take from this outcome.
Donks are scared to death of losing their seats. As they should be.
fogw on September 29, 2009 at 4:57 PM
David Shuster on MSNBC is showing videos of Tom Delay losing his balance on Dancing with the Stars.
What vote?
fogw on September 29, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Prestidigitation by Schumer. Watch this hand, don’t pay any attention to the other one.
It pains me to say it, but this all rests on the wrinkled back of Olympia Snowe.
applebutter on September 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Which, ironically, IS an excellent description of the federal government, especially when Democrats are in charge.
xblade on September 29, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Ed,
Stop taking your resentments out on lawyers. Just go to law school already. You know you want to. It is never too late.
tommylotto on September 29, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Yes, you do. I’ll depend on you, I’ll take your advice, and I’ll gladly pay you your fee.
But I’ll never stop telling lawyer jokes.
applebutter on September 29, 2009 at 5:04 PM
It’s all a big cobra dance. The “public option” is irrelevant. One way or another the Dems are going to force on us a government-run “health insurance exchange” and a government-appointed Health Choices Commissioner (what an ironic title). The whole bit about abortion funding and the public option are just distractions from that fact.
evergreen on September 29, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Boogie vipers or not, you are dead on, “The Exchange” is the 800lb Trojan Horse in the room. It is a the heart of what is as known as Syndicalism, which is in fact the Hybrid Communism/Fascism BHO’s policies closest resemble. What makes Syndicalism unique, is it’s overall detriment to sovreignity in favor of transnational groups like Int’l Labor Unions, etc.
For an interesting, if arcane, breif on it…
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Syndicalism
Archimedes on September 29, 2009 at 5:05 PM
The difference between a prostitute and a lawyer is that there some things a prostitute won’t do for money.
Dhuka on September 29, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Here is my socialist health care plan.
1. Reduce the cost of health care by implementing tort reform, get rid of regulations that only drive costs up. Retain regulation only if they protect the consumer.
2. Let the markets work. Allow people to buy health insurance across state lines.
3. Insurance is intended for things that are both rare and expensive, not to pay for every day costs. Outlaw insurance that has a deductible less than $5,000. Such insurance should only cost $75 a month.
4. People with high risk lifestyles should pay a premium comensorate with the increased risk. People who have unprotected sex with people who have unprotected sex should pay more.
5. Require medical savings accounts funded with payroll deduction. You contribute 5% of your pay until you have twice the deductible saved.
6. Require employers to offer (but not pay for) insurance to their employees.
7. Don’t require people to buy health insurance. Let them die, or garnish their wages for the rest of their lives if necessary, if they need medical care and do not have insurance.
8. Send the illegals home.
9. Allow hospitals to turn away people who do not have insurance.
10. Let me make a tax deductible donation to a private charity that pays medical bills for the poor, right on my 1040 form.
The Rock on September 29, 2009 at 5:06 PM
By the way, if you depend on punitive medical malpractice damages to make a living, you have a couple of years to find another line of work.
applebutter on September 29, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I keep wondering if they’re not trying to quietly kill this by giving the left everything they want and then claiming that right wingers and special interests are to blame. If I were a Dem I’d much rather run on a platform of the continuing health care “crisis” than on one where my vote can be directly tied to Medicare cuts, increased deficits and taxes and God knows what other horrors that Obamacare certainly has in store.
volnation on September 29, 2009 at 5:07 PM
He did not attack lawyers. He was pointing out the hypocrisy of the left demonstrated by their demonization of the insurance industry for their profits while ignoring those of their favored industries.
Joe Caps on September 29, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Yeah because suing the living bejeebers out of a doctor or nurse or hospital is totally helping keep costs down. That’s not totally why most family practice doctors now refused to deliver babies. Or not why doctors are leaving the profession because of malpractise insurance. Or now why many nurses are doing the same.
Because lawyers and their clients who sue at the drop of the hate are not the problem…..
mjk on September 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM
This tells me that they don’t have the votes to pass any bill.
mmm mmm mmm
txag92 on September 29, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Ooooooh. Insurance Industry workers vs. lawyers.
There should be a cage match to determine who gets screwed by Obamacare.
Joe Caps on September 29, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Now what?
Terrye on September 29, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Make sure Obama doesn’t get the Olympics either.
Chuck Schick on September 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Lemme get this right. The public option appears to get defeated twice, then may live through another means?? I just don’t understand how voting this down allows it to live again in another capacity. It’s sounding like senatorial ju jitsu if you ask me…?
ted c on September 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Lemme get this right. The public option appears to get defeated twice, then may live through another means?? I just don’t understand how voting this down allows it to live again in another capacity. It’s sounding like senatorial ju jitsu if you ask me…?
ted c on September 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM
The way this can still come into play is, once the Senate gets it’s version done it goes into “committee” with the House. What goes into the room need not have any resemblance to what comes out. In effect, the wholen process starts anew.
Archimedes on September 29, 2009 at 5:36 PM
As a recovering attorney, who specialized in tax litigation against the government, I must admit there was little, very little, I didn’t do to beat the bastards.
And fighting fair was almost never one of them, since the government wouldn’t recognize the concept if it bit them in the ass.
TXUS on September 29, 2009 at 5:44 PM
once in conference I believe they can change it again
cmsinaz on September 29, 2009 at 5:53 PM
The headline should have read: “Senate Hits Public Option With A Chappahatchet”
PistolPete on September 29, 2009 at 6:02 PM
They can pretty much do anything they want, in conference, and then only need a majority to pass whatever comes out of conference.
progressoverpeace on September 29, 2009 at 6:23 PM
*sigh*
cmsinaz on September 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM
The whole bill senate and house are one big public option.Public option defeated my ass .
thmcbb on September 29, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Hey how about organizing a million person march on DC while the totally dishonest and contemptable Pinnochio presidente, Congress Critters and Senate Scumbags are all in town?
Surround their playground and don’t allow them to leave until they agree to resign in mass and return this country to We The People.
These clowns must FEAR the people or they will ram it through in the dead of night with 50 votes
dhunter on September 29, 2009 at 6:51 PM
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