Job seeker-job opening ratio worst in decade

posted at 12:18 pm on September 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

How’s that stimulus working?  Joe Biden says Porkulus has exceeded his wildest expectations, but for those looking for work, they face the highest amount of competition for open jobs since the Bureau of Labor Statistics started analyzing it in 2000.  The applicant-to-opening ratio has skyrocketed, the New York Times reports — even as they miss an important part of the story:

Despite signs that the economy has resumed growing, unemployed Americans now confront a job market that is bleaker than ever in the current recession, and employment prospects are still getting worse.

Job seekers now outnumber openings six to one, the worst ratio since the government began tracking open positions in 2000. According to the Labor Department’s latest numbers, from July, only 2.4 million full-time permanent jobs were open, with 14.5 million people officially unemployed.

And even though the pace of layoffs is slowing, many companies remain anxious about growth prospects in the months ahead, making them reluctant to add to their payrolls.

The pace of layoffs is not slowing.  In fact, mass layoffs jumped almost 25% from July to August, according to the same BLS where the Times got these numbers.  How could the Times and reporter Peter Goodman call that “slowing”?   Layoffs have accelerated after dropping slightly in the early summer, and since initial unemployment claims continue to average 553,000 per week, layoffs and terminations have not slowed at all.

Shouldn’t their first clue have been the jump from 9.4% unemployment in July to 9.7% in August?

Otherwise, the reporting from the Times seems to capture the essence of the problem.  New job openings are not being created, no matter what Biden says about Porkulus.  The decline of openings continues in 2009, as this graphic shows, creating a far more hostile environment for job seekers than any time during the last ten years:

Recall how Democrats described the 2002-3 recession and the aftermath: the jobless recovery.  Even at its worst, the economy in that period generated 3 million new jobs a year and had a seeker-to-opening ratio of no more than 3:1.  This has more than doubled the ratio, and now we have only 2.4 million job openings, and declining.

Not coincidentally, youth unemployment has hit a new post-World War II high as well:

The unemployment rate for young Americans has exploded to 52.2 percent — a post-World War II high, according to the Labor Dept. — meaning millions of Americans are staring at the likelihood that their lifetime earning potential will be diminished and, combined with the predicted slow economic recovery, their transition into productive members of society could be put on hold for an extended period of time.

And worse, without a clear economic recovery plan aimed at creating entry-level jobs, the odds of many of these young adults — aged 16 to 24, excluding students — getting a job and moving out of their parents’ houses are long. Young workers have been among the hardest hit during the current recession — in which a total of 9.5 million jobs have been lost.

That is the consequence of both the recession and the artificial inflation of wages through the mandated increases to the federal minimum wage.  The government made entry-level positions costlier for businesses, and so they can offer fewer of them.  Those that do get opened will get filled increasingly by experienced workers rather than new entrants into the job market, as businesses limit their risk.

The solution to this would be to return capital to the private markets and to get government out of the social-engineering business, which created the current economic crisis in the first place.  Don’t expect to get real solutions from an administration still wallowing in the fantasy of “saved and created jobs.”

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That Obama is so smart, we proles just don’t get it and I guess this is also part of his brilliant chess game!

rob verdi on September 28, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Obama’s recession may just turn into Obama’s depression. And viva illegal immigration.(that will surely help the job market.)

Johan Klaus on September 28, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Job seekers now outnumber openings six to one, the worst ratio since the government began tracking open positions in 2000.

If cap-and-trade gets passed, you will see that number jump to over eight to one.

Patriot Vet on September 28, 2009 at 12:21 PM

How could the Times and reporter Peter Goodman call that “slowing”?

Because Barry and Joey say so! Who needs research, it just ‘confuses’ people.

GarandFan on September 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM

My wife applied for a teaching Job in Portland Oregon. Turns out 600 people applied for it.

portlandon on September 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM

The only solution is for the government to hire more workers…press release from Obama.

right2bright on September 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Let me get this right. Stimulus had NOTHING in it to benefit Small Business, the heart and soul of jobs? Makes sense ONLY if you’re a. ignorant or b. intentionally trying to redistribute money and ruin the economy.

marklmail on September 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM

And in the meantime Obama and the Democrat Congress continues to burn all their efforts on idiotic non-problems like health care and Cap & Tax..

johnsteele on September 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Let me get this right. Stimulus had NOTHING in it to benefit Small Business, the heart and soul of jobs? Makes sense ONLY if you’re a. ignorant or b. intentionally trying to redistribute money and ruin the economy.

marklmail on September 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I for one am shocked, SHOCKED that sodding the national mall did nothing for reviving employment in the tech sector!!!!

battleoflepanto1571 on September 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Thank goodness the adults are in charge.

/sarc

Shiny_Tiara on September 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Czars aren’t having any problems finding employment.

Repo men either.

And then there are foreclosure agents.

All at 100% employment and they have Obama/Biden to thank for it.

NoDonkey on September 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Wonder what the ratio would be if we used an honest measure of unemployement?

MichiganMatt on September 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Young workers have been among the hardest hit during the current recession

But will vote for Obama and liberals when they show up to vote. The yute sure do havea desire to:
- Pay for other people’s health care.
- Ensure they have a crush debt sapping their income in their prime earning years.
- Not have any job opportunities.
- A general reduction in their liberties.

WashJeff on September 28, 2009 at 12:28 PM

But it will all be worth it if “dear leader” can get the Olympics for Chicago!

Is the sarc tag really needed?

revolutionismyname on September 28, 2009 at 12:30 PM

This post is racist!

/lefty knee jerk reaction.

rbj on September 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM

If you’re unemployed, the unemployment rate is, of course, 100%.

Which is the goal for us in 2010 for Dem congress critters and RINOs, and for our beloved president in 2012.

TXUS on September 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM

If the R’s don’t run with this in 2010, we are indeed sunk! The seniors and the younger voters, looking for work, are getting their heads out of the sand. Let us pray it will not be too late for our Republic.
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letget on September 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM

How’s that stimulus working?

This is just embarrassingly stupid. Any economic downturn right now only further suggests that we needed the stimulus even more than we realized.

Stimuli “work” in the sense that they provide a short term influx of cash for govt programs which can provide kind of a bridge until things start to recover again. The problem is that they inhibit the inevitable recovery and lead to more government, and, as I’m sure many of you noticed, once governments take over things, they don’t tend to to give them back to the private sector (along with many, many other problems).

But, the fact that there are fewer jobs right now suggest that we need an even *bigger* stimulus, not a smaller one. I mean, to read bad job data in August and hilariously try to attribute it to stimulus spending which started a couple months ago (and hasn’t even been fully spent yet) is just beyond nonsensical. What an embarrassing post.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS IS A FARCE!
KEEP TAKING AWAY EVIL WEALTHY COMPANY PROFITS!
KEEP TAXING THEM SO THEY CANT HIRE!
KEEP IT UP DEMS!
BURY US INTO THE GROUND!
/sarcasm

shick on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

The unemployment rate for young Americans has exploded to 52.2 percent — a post-World War II high, according to the Labor Dept. — meaning millions of Americans are staring at the likelihood that their lifetime earning potential will be diminished and, combined with the predicted slow economic recovery, their transition into productive members of society could be put on hold for an extended period of time.

Hey young Obama voters: How’s that hope and change working out for ya? You still pledging for Obama? Will you stick to your liberal ideology until you will never be able to get out of debt? Or are you still waiting for the govt. handout? Time to get real and join the Tea Parties.

Christian Conservative on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

The casualty chart of Obama’s War on Prosperity™.

Good job Dummies.

daesleeper on September 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Obamaville chart. Grapes of Wrath II.

Fletch54 on September 28, 2009 at 12:36 PM

What an embarrassing post.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Pride comes before a fall. We are going to do all we can to make sure you progressive don’t represent us in 2010 and on.

shick on September 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Someone with more Photoshop skillz than I needs to paste Biden’s head on Baghdad Bob’s body and superimpose it on that graph.

commenter on September 28, 2009 at 12:40 PM

The minimum wage hike is the icing.

the_nile on September 28, 2009 at 12:40 PM

to read bad job data in August and hilariously try to attribute it to stimulus spending which started a couple months ago (and hasn’t even been fully spent yet) is just beyond nonsensical.

It’s not “attributing” it to the “stimulus”, it’s saying that the stimulus didn’t provide what the “administration” told us it would.

That is, that the unemployment rate wouldn’t drop below 8%.

And the “stimulus” mainly is “stimulating” the coffers of Democrat donors. It’s full of pork and will do little or nothing to help our economy. The Democrats just stole the opportunity to pay off their major donors.

NoDonkey on September 28, 2009 at 12:40 PM

This post The economy is racist!

/lefty knee jerk reaction.

rbj on September 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM

FIFY =)

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Whoa! Look at that rise in 2008!

Why didn’t President Obama do something back in 2007 to prevent this!

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Nevada officials unsure of number of jobs created by stimulus aid

…But James Brandmueller, energy program manager for the State Office of Energy, said he knows exactly how many jobs have been created by his agency from the $35 million in stimulus funds that it has received.

Three,” he said.

When I start in counting, it’s very hard to stop.

tree hugging sister on September 28, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Young workers have been among the hardest hit during the current recession.

Who knows — maybe they’d feel [voting for the agent of HopenChange] was worth it. It’s “funemployment” after all!

ya2daup on September 28, 2009 at 12:43 PM

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

He was busy Campaigning.

PappaMac on September 28, 2009 at 12:43 PM

and this is BEFORE the dollar collapses due to FED money printing…

PatriotRider on September 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Funpression. Everyone having fun yet?

Bishop on September 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM

And the Obama’s did a little dance at the CDC on Saturday, it was all smiles, not a care in the world.

Firebird on September 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM

This is just embarrassingly stupid. Any economic downturn right now only further suggests that we needed the stimulus even more than we realized.

Stimuli “work” in the sense that they provide a short term influx of cash for govt programs which can provide kind of a bridge until things start to recover again. The problem is that they inhibit the inevitable recovery and lead to more government, and, as I’m sure many of you noticed, once governments take over things, they don’t tend to to give them back to the private sector (along with many, many other problems).

But, the fact that there are fewer jobs right now suggest that we need an even *bigger* stimulus, not a smaller one. I mean, to read bad job data in August and hilariously try to attribute it to stimulus spending which started a couple months ago (and hasn’t even been fully spent yet) is just beyond nonsensical. What an embarrassing post.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

It’s ridiculous to say that the point of Porkulus was to

provide a short term influx of cash for govt programs which can provide kind of a bridge until things start to recover again.

Porkulus was sold as an essential solution for preventing a deep recession or depression and not as some sort of trillion dollar safety net for a coming economic recession. You obviously also have no idea how ‘stimulus’ actually works. When the government ‘spends’ this kind of money it doesn’t generate wealth – it prints it and re-distributes it. This could not possibly drag us out of a recession as this printing of money creates inflation and the re-distribution hurts businesses. Obama told us that if Porkulus were passed enemployment wouldn’t rise above 8%.

The whole idea of government spending boosting the economy is based on the seriously flawed ideas of Keynes. Even if you believe Keynes was correct you are still left with the problem that even Keynes’ theories would tell you not to spend as much as we are spending (much less spending even more in the form of another stimulus).

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I’m sure using the lefty “new math” we’ve been teaching kids for 30 years it comes out to show we gained 5 million jobs.

Jeff from WI on September 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM

But, the fact that there are fewer jobs right now suggest that we need an even *bigger* stimulus, not a smaller one. I mean, to read bad job data in August and hilariously try to attribute it to stimulus spending which started a couple months ago (and hasn’t even been fully spent yet) is just beyond nonsensical. What an embarrassing post.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

The biggest quarter of stimulus spending was delayed 18 months, right when the 2010 elections occur.

Why do you think that is?

Chuck Schick on September 28, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Dear Hot Air,

Please stop bothering The Messiah will all this messy stuff on war and the recession and health care etc. The Messiah, having been duly crowned, along with Mrs. Messiah in a Greek Temple, is too busy getting his make-up correct for David Letterman, ordering new advanced tele-prompters (TOTUS II) and getting all wee-wee-ed up over you Hot Air Racist Nazis etc. to be worried about “youth unemployment”. Let those unemployed youth get jobs at ACORN or learn how to kill police or blow up the Pentagon – after all, what was good enough for Bill Ayers and The One should be good enough for these punk teens. Now leave The Messiah alone – he has to go to Denmark to help Mayor Daley on personal business!

Cinday Blackburn on September 28, 2009 at 12:52 PM

People on ludes shouldn’t be running our government.

Until the government quits draining the private sector capital this will continue. Not to mention that when Obama voided contract law with GM and Chrysler’s bankruptcies no sane investor will buy bonds.

jukin on September 28, 2009 at 12:52 PM

The biggest quarter of stimulus spending was delayed 18 months, right when the 2010 elections occur.

Why do you think that is?

Chuck Schick on September 28, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Good sir! How dare you suggest that the Porkulus bill was more about paying back liberal special interest groups and buying support to keep a majority going than actually trying to bring about an economic recovery. /SARC

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I’m sure using the lefty “new math” we’ve been teaching kids for 30 years it comes out to show we gained 5 million jobs.

Jeff from WI on September 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM

this is why we need less school days, not more.

faraway on September 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Whoa! Look at that rise in 2008!

Why didn’t President Obama do something back in 2007 to prevent this!

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

The rise in 2009 is greater.

Chuck Schick on September 28, 2009 at 12:55 PM

And worse, without a clear economic recovery plan aimed at creating entry-level jobs, the odds of many of these young adults — aged 16 to 24, excluding students — getting a job and moving out of their parents’ houses are long.

An that, folks, will be the Hope & Change a whole lotta voters will be focusing on in 2012.

Get the damn kid out of the basement and into a job, any job.

Never underestimate the power of a Mom who is tired of picking up the dirty sox of a homebound 20 year old.

Bruno Strozek on September 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM

So much for this hopenchange bullshit

bluegrass on September 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM

My company has a CFO opening. The job posting very clearly states, “must have SEC filing experience for 10Qs, 10Ks, and 8Ks, etc”. I have been getting resumes from school lunch ladies, several janitors, day laborers, lots of accountants who have NEVER filed anything with the SEC. Interesting that more than half of the accountants who sent me resumes have never worked in private industry. They either have non profit or government backgrounds. Why would their accounting experience be relevant to a for profit entity?

One applicants stated for job objective: wants a job with benefits. That was ALL that applicant stated. That person wasn’t even creative enough to make me want to read past that sentence. She didn’t even attempt to blow sunshine up my skirt as to why my company is the latest thing since sliced bread and tell my why her skill set would add value to our operation (she was a teacher).

So of 100 or so resumes (I posted this position with the state unemployement office, I figured in this economy, I would find a qualified CFO in the area), I got 2 candidates with relevant background experience.

So I am half way now believing that a lot of the people are unemployed for a reason. They are clueless as to how to market themselves to differentiate themselves from the pile of applicants.

Here is a hint to folks looking for a job:

1) I don’t care that you have a family to feed, so does everyone else

2) Tell my up front in your resume why YOUR skillset MATCHES my needs

3) Tell me why you want to work for MY company, don’t treat your application like the other 50 that you just sent out.

4) Check your resume for grammar or spelling mistakes. Half of the resumes had either or both. They got tossed immediately.

5) I really don’t care about your outside activities, not really, unless they bring relevant experience to the table.

6) Put your education where I can FIND it on your resume. If I could not find it, I tossed it. My job posting very CLEARLY stated that an MBA was required.

7) If you really want the position, and you are clearly qualified for the position, follow up with an email a week later if you haven’t heard from someone in the company. It is possible your email got buried in an inbox and it might cause someone to go search for it and contact you.

Now here is a hint for those ALMOST qualified for the position. Send it anyway. I saved off a few resumes because we will be needing some with accounting backgrounds next year. My CPA is moving away next summer. So I saved off some resumes and replied back that I was saving them for future reference in 2010.

karenhasfreedom on September 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I’m inclined to think this job seeker-job ration is extremely low. I remember about 15 years back, when I lived in South Dakota (a state that historically has had at or near the nation’s lowest unemployment rate, BTW), that the local WalMart was accepting around 25-50 applications A WEEK for positions. This was regardless of whether or not WalMart was even hiring in a particular week.

Employers tend to like it when 20-30 people apply for one or two positions.

BradSchwartze on September 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Stimuli “work” in the sense that they provide a short term influx of cash for govt programs which can provide kind of a bridge until things start to recover again.
Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

This only works in fantasy land.

Out here, were people understand how the economy works, govt stimuli have never, not even once, stimulated the economy.

Businessmen know that the backside to govt stimuli are:
1) Higher taxes
2) Increased interest rates
3) Increased inflation

Before the govt can give money to one business, it must first take money away from some other business.

MarkTheGreat on September 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Before the govt can give money to one business, it must first take money away from some other business.

MarkTheGreat on September 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Bbbbbut government can also just print the money or borrow it! There’s no downside to these two approaches! /SARC

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Notice how short the previous recession was compared to this one…

Hmmm… I wonder why that is?

It couldn’t possibly have been the tax cuts that Bush implemented… could it?

Naaaaah, we need to raise taxes!

/sarc

MobileVideoEngineer on September 28, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Get the damn kid out of the basement and into a job, any job.

Bruno Strozek on September 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM

At first I thought you were refering to Obama because I haven’t seen the evidence that he has ever worked a hard day in his life.

shick on September 28, 2009 at 1:07 PM

“the odds of many of these young adults — aged 16 to 24, excluding students — getting a job and moving out of their parents’ houses are long.”

With this little throwaway disclaimer, one can create lots of mischief. I’m willing to venture that the vast majority of young folks age 16-24 we see working in Starbucks or Wendys are also taking on a full college courseload.

Which means I really don’t want to find out how quick the prisons will fill up with those who aren’t in college or military in this environment.

BradSchwartze on September 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM

If Texas does drop out of this socialist union I’ll be moving to Texas. I am sick of the direction this country is going and know the feeling of the revolutionist of yesteryear.

bluegrass on September 28, 2009 at 1:12 PM

and this is BEFORE the dollar collapses due to FED money printing…

PatriotRider on September 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Dead on the money!

Archimedes on September 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM

If Texas does drop out of this socialist union I’ll be moving to Texas. I am sick of the direction this country is going and know the feeling of the revolutionist of yesteryear.

bluegrass on September 28, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I’m not nearly this pessimistic. The liberals in control of our government are willfully ignoring the will of the people and their majority won’t last long…of course who knows if the Republicans will do the right thing once they get a chance.

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM

this is why we need less school days, not more.

faraway on September 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM

eggzactly

Jeff from WI on September 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Reaganomics didn’t work but generated 20million jobs. Obamanomics has lost 6million jobs and ever-increasing. Maybe we need to elect more leftists to Congress. What do you libs out there think?

orlandocajun on September 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM

, without a clear economic recovery plan aimed at creating entry-level jobs,

I’ve got a very clear one for you: repeal the minimum wage.

Count to 10 on September 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Reaganomics didn’t work but generated 20million jobs. Obamanomics has lost 6million jobs and ever-increasing. Maybe we need to elect more leftists to Congress. What do you libs out there think?

orlandocajun on September 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM

You forgot that Obama inherited this recession. /sarc

shick on September 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM

But, the fact that there are fewer jobs right now suggest that we need an even *bigger* stimulus, not a smaller one. I mean, to read bad job data in August and hilariously try to attribute it to stimulus spending which started a couple months ago (and hasn’t even been fully spent yet) is just beyond nonsensical. What an embarrassing post.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

How government creates a job:

Money is allocated and creates a job.

How private sector creates a job:

Something is needing doing. A job is created.

Which is more sustainable?

I like the idea that government is the one who stimulates the economy though. If more stimulus would get us out of this, then I propose a $10 trillion stimulus. Why not? It’d be utopia, right? Or $20 trillion. Why stop?

Government cannot give you anything (a job) without taking away something first (such as tax dollars). You’d think, eventually, someone would realize how much sense that makes.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Whoa! Look at that rise in 2008!

Why didn’t President Obama do something back in 2007 to prevent this!

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Because he was too busy being part of causing it as a US Senator.

Count to 10 on September 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Also, maybe, then you should redirect your anger at Biden who is out there claiming that the stimulus is the most wonderful thing since sliced bread. But, I see, it’s not. Which is very telling.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM

My wife applied for a teaching Job in Portland Oregon. Turns out 600 people applied for it.

portlandon on September 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I applied for a job and they sent back an email saying that they were sorry but that over a 1000 resumes had come in and they were not taking any more.

RagTag on September 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Stimuli “work” in the sense that they provide a short term influx of cash for govt programs which can provide kind of a bridge until things start to recover again

Growth comes as a matter of investment.

To enable that “influx” the government must heavily borrow from both capital already in the economy and in terms of deficit… thus slowing current growth potential and burdening future growth potential. The jobs you speak of are “fake” and do not exist as part of the natural economy.

It didn’t work for Hoover or FDR and it won’t work now.

I can “create” a job as my butler by borrowing from my neighbor and against my credit card, but that only means that my neighbor will have less to spend (perhaps having to eliminate a job he has been supporting via his demand) and when the bill comes due for the credit, I will not be able to maintain the fake job (unless I continue the spiraling debt and take pattern).

In the end, the butler will lose his fake job, my neighbor will have destroyed a real job and I will be saddled with a long-tern debt with interest that will hamper both my ability and my neighbor’s ability to create real jobs.

mankai on September 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

this is why we need less school days, not more.

faraway on September 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM

The number of days is not important. The quality of instruction is. The department of education has to stop experimenting with methods. They need to use tried and true successful methods. Classical education!

shick on September 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Whoa! Look at that rise in 2008!

Why didn’t President Obama do something back in 2007 to prevent this!

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

You mean when he was part of the majority party in both houses of Congress? The one that as its first order of business raised the minimum wage, leading to the first drop in employment for this recession? You raise an interesting point there, Bubba. Good catch.

What I want to know, is how this missed getting that Animal House ROTC kid “Everything! Is! Fine!” video.

Blacksmith on September 28, 2009 at 1:28 PM

How bad would it be
Without “Saved or Created”
Seven Million Jobs?

Haiku Guy on September 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Whoa! Look at that rise in 2008!

Why didn’t President Obama do something back in 2007 to prevent this!

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Because that’s when the Democrats took control of Congress.

Where was Obama in 2005 when the Republicans were warning of a collapse in Fannie and Freddie? Helping to block legislation that would have addressed the problem… backing Dem idiots who declared “all is well” and all attempts at averting a disaster were really Jim Crow laws in disguise.

mankai on September 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Racist charts, all of them. Afrolib got a job making $7 an hour, so all is well.

angryed on September 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

He was too busy campaigning for president to actually, you know, do his job.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM

mankai on September 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Great example. Even a liberal could understand it.

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Because that’s when the Democrats took control of Congress.

Where was Obama in 2005 when the Republicans were warning of a collapse in Fannie and Freddie? Helping to block legislation that would have addressed the problem… backing Dem idiots who declared “all is well” and all attempts at averting a disaster were really Jim Crow laws in disguise.

mankai on September 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Also, lets not forget that liberals called for even more regulation in order to prevent another financial disaster – ignoring that the ‘mark to market’ regulations were a large part of causing the meltdown.

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Stimulus has NEVER worked. In any country. In any decade. It has a .000 batting average. Only a complete fool would advocate using it again. But liberalism is a mental disease so it’s not surprising the liberals want more of it.

angryed on September 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Great example. Even a liberal could understand it.

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM

You are a person of great faith…

mankai on September 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Whoa! Look at that rise in 2008!

Why didn’t President Senator Obama do something back in 2007 to prevent this!

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Damn good question.

angryed on September 28, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Stimulus has NEVER worked. In any country. In any decade. It has a .000 batting average. Only a complete fool would advocate using it again. But liberalism is a mental disease so it’s not surprising the liberals want more of it.

angryed on September 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Statistically… it’d due!

mankai on September 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Czars aren’t having any problems finding employment.

Repo men either.

And then there are foreclosure agents.

All at 100% employment and they have Obama/Biden to thank for it.

NoDonkey on September 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM

You forgot collection agencies, State funded Unemployment Clerks.

feel free to add to the “most likely employment data for 2010″

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on September 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Stimulus has NEVER worked. In any country. In any decade. It has a .000 batting average. Only a complete fool would advocate using it again. But liberalism is a mental disease so it’s not surprising the liberals want more of it.

angryed on September 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM

It didn’t work because they didn’t spend enough money. /SARC

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Pay no attention to all those unemployed people. Those racist, Nazi, other-phobic jobless people are just trying to ruin Ojoker’s Presidency.

My collie says:

It’s all part of that vast right-wing conspiracy, ya’ know. The so-called “unemployed” are just astroturf.

Not only that, but they’re an unAmerican, too.

/sarcasm off

CyberCipher on September 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Notice how to the liberal mind their utopia is just around the bend if only the stupid conservatives and moderates would let us spend and regulate our way there. No matter the current level of regulation or taxation more is needed to get us there.

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

But, the fact that there are fewer jobs right now suggest that we need an even *bigger* stimulus, not a smaller one. I mean, to read bad job data in August and hilariously try to attribute it to stimulus spending which started a couple months ago (and hasn’t even been fully spent yet) is just beyond nonsensical. What an embarrassing post.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

The whole point is that the simulus money was mis-targeted. The economy could have been stimulated using temporary tax breaks for employers who hire during the recession, which could have eventually been extended if there was a risk of mass-layoffs at the end of the tax break.

Even a “demand-side” stimulus such as infrastructure-rebuilding could have worked, if the money was directed toward the areas of greatest need. There’s no question that there are many roads, bridges, tunnels, railroads, subways, sewers, water mains, etc. in need of major repairs which have long been neglected. But the “stimulus” bill was passed so quickly that there was no real analysis of the need prior to passage, and much of the money was wasted on frivolous projects, and shoring up state deficits, and not enough was spent on job-creating projects on needed infrastructure.

A stimulus that could have worked would have asked states and municipalities, in cooperation with private contractors, to examine potential infrastructure improvement projects based on need (possibility of failure if improvement delayed, population affected, cost/benefit ratio), then the Federal Government could fund matiching grants for high-priority projects with a percentage of State participation. Some of the needs have been known for years, and such projects would have begun nearly immediately, while cost/benefit and feasility studies would have stimulated employment at engineering contractors, with needs for construction workers once the feasible projects were selected.

Obama’s push to pass the Porkulus bill very quickly displayed his ignorance of how Congress works, and he signed a bill containing over 8,000 earmarks. The stimulus bill MIGHT have started creating jobs by now if it had been well-targeted, and it may have been cheaper. Instead, we got massive debt for the Federal Government and a relatively small amount of money for job-creating projects–haste makes waste!

And now, instead of trying to stimulate the economy using tax cuts, Obama and the Democrats are proposing new expensive mandates on health-care (one part of the economy doing well right now) and huge energy taxes on businesses with Cap and Trade. Who wants to hire anyone in such an environment, when huge new taxes amay be on the horizon, with no benefit for business?

Steve Z on September 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Stimulus has NEVER worked. In any country. In any decade. It has a .000 batting average. Only a complete fool would advocate using it again. But liberalism is a mental disease so it’s not surprising the liberals want more of it.

angryed on September 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Yeah this is pretty funny. I mean, if you want to say the New Deal didn’t get us out of the Great Depression, fine. I quibble with that entire premise, but fine. But then they say, “WWII got us out of the Great Depression,” as if that government spending to create jobs didn’t count for some reason.

So it worked. It worked here. It worked recently. I think the Bush tax cuts helped prevent a bigger recession in the early ’00s – that’s stimulus too. So it worked here, really, really recently. Tax cuts can be stimulus the same as spending can be stimulus the same as interest rate cuts can be stimulus.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

In other news, water is wet.

corona on September 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Did I mention that we need more and longer school days?

My collie says:

Only because a large number of the school children no longer HAVE a home to go home to after school.

Yeah. Winters can be brutal if your family is living in a tent.

CyberCipher on September 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Tax cuts can be stimulus the same as spending can be stimulus the same as interest rate cuts can be stimulus.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Spending is not stimulus. And what were doing is spending, and borrowing and printing money. How will this in any way stimulate the economy?

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

So tax cuts to people is roughly equivalent to government handing money to itself and deciding where and when to spend it.

Yep. That’s a recipe for success.

to stimulate this economy, all DC needed to do was to suspend payroll taxes for 6 months. Would have both cost less and put money directly into the pockets of people. Wonder why that simple solution wasn’t even looked at. If the goal was to get people to spend more money…then that’s the fastest way. Maybe that wasn’t the goal.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Despite signs that the economy has resumed growing, unemployed Americans now confront a job market that is bleaker than ever in the current recession, and employment prospects are still getting worse.

Where are all these “signs” of robust economic growth the liberal media are always talking about?

I swear, we could enter the biggest ice age in earth’s history next year and every liberal media weather report would start out with, “Despite signs that global temperatures are rising…”

logis on September 28, 2009 at 1:53 PM

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Did I say they were equivalent? Good gracious. The fact that they’re both stimuli don’t mean they’re equally effective.

That’s like me saying, “Harding and Washington were both Presidents,” and then you saying “Oh so Harding is roughly equivalent to Washington! Yeah your such a moron PROUD STUPID RINO.”

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM

You’re the one equating them. They are both stimulus, right?

The implication being neither is better than the other. So. You agree – that DC spending money (rather than tax cuts) is an inferior stimulus? Yes?

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Here I thought those charts were Steve McIntyre proving that the AGW “hockey stick” proxy data was cherry picked. It appears that the “facts were being fixed around the policy.

I’ve heard of that before … somewhere.

J_Crater on September 28, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Steve Z on September 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Very good post. I agree that the stimulus wasn’t managed very well, but the criticism has all been “OH TEH STIMULUS IS STUPID,” *not* “OH TEH STIMULUS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED DIFFERENTLY WIHT MORE TAX CUTS TO TEH BUSINESSMAN.”

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

You’re the one equating them. They are both stimulus, right?

The implication being neither is better than the other. So. You agree – that DC spending money (rather than tax cuts) is an inferior stimulus? Yes?

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Hey wait, are you this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCvkatCGNFY&feature=player_embedded

Because that would explain a lot.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Very good post. I agree that the stimulus wasn’t managed very well, but the criticism has all been “OH TEH STIMULUS IS STUPID,” *not* “OH TEH STIMULUS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED DIFFERENTLY WIHT MORE TAX CUTS TO TEH BUSINESSMAN.”

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Yeah, why would we think you were exclusively referring to government spending as stimulus?…

Stimuli “work” in the sense that they provide a short term influx of cash for govt programs which can provide kind of a bridge until things start to recover again.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Steve Z on September 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Taxes have a significant effect economic motivations, but temporary tax cuts are only as effective as their duration. Ironically, the most stimulating thing the government could do on a temporary basis is cut spending.

Count to 10 on September 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Yeah I made the assumption that people that are such vehement critics of Keynesian economics understood the basic tenets of it.

Guess not.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Whoa! Look at that rise in 2008!

Why didn’t President Obama do something back in 2007 to prevent this!

cornfedbubba on September 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Because he was too busy being part of causing it as a US Senator.

Count to 10 on September 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I think Obama can be absolved of any responsibility, since everyone knows he didn’t do a damn thing in the Senate, other than vote “present” and plan his presidential campaign.

I only wish he had higher aspirations still. Obama doing nothing is preference to the “something” he’s done and in every other job he’s had, he’d be getting ready to quit at this point.

NoDonkey on September 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 2:01 PM

I’m sorry. I have whiplash. That was about the quickest topic change ever.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Yeah I made the assumption that people that are such vehement critics of Keynesian economics understood the basic tenets of it.

Guess not.

Proud Rino on September 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM

What?

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM

I agree that the stimulus wasn’t managed very well

“Managed well”? That wasn’t the point of the post, it was that the Democrats spent the money on their pet projects and not on anything that would stimulate the economy.

That’s not poor management, it’s swindling the American taxpayer in order to pay off friends of Democrats.

Call it what it is – massive corruption. As in, the Democrats in Congress are corrupt and that’s why the stimulus is and will always be an utter failure.

NoDonkey on September 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM

He’s descending into that delusional state where he must defend something, no matter how stupid that something is.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM

He’s descending into that delusional state where he must defend something, no matter how stupid that something is.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM

It would appear so.

gwelf on September 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM

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