Is ObamaCare Romney’s waterloo?
posted at 5:40 pm on September 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Somewhere, Huckabee’s gleefully rubbing his hands together and nodding.
Three years ago, Romney was heralded for his innovative effort to institute near-universal health care in his state. But now that the issue has emerged as a partisan fault line and the Massachusetts plan has provided some guidance for Democratic reform efforts, Romney finds himself bruised and on the defensive as the GOP rallies around opposition to President Barack Obama’s plans…
It’s not just Romney’s ballot box foes who are taking him to task over his signature accomplishment as governor. His health care program has been lacerated by prominent conservative bloggers and also by the Wall Street Journal, Forbes and National Review, the conservative magazine that endorsed him in the 2008 GOP presidential primary.
“It’s Obamacare with the public option not included,” said Michael Tanner of the libertarian-oriented Cato Institute. “It’s pretty indistinguishable from what the president is proposing.”…
Romney can rightfully boast that he got much what he aimed for, since less than 3 percent of Massachusetts citizens are currently uninsured. But critics insist that the cost of Romney’s program has far exceeded the governor’s estimates and have targeted the plan as a prime example of what not to do on the national level.
Even in Massachusetts there are signs of discomfort with the plan: A June Rasmussen Reports poll found that only 26 percent of Massachusetts voters thought the state’s health care reform was a success.
The threshold question is how much of an issue ObamaCare will still be in two years when the primaries start hopping. Even if it passes, we supposedly won’t start to feel the pain until 2013; if the economy’s still in the toilet, Obama will be vulnerable and centrist Republicans might be willing to hold their noses on RomneyCare to nominate a guy with business and managerial expertise. The big problem for Mitt, I think, isn’t that he passed statewide universal health care. He can spin that in numerous ways to distinguish it from ObamaCare, e.g., it was an amazing victory for small government to keep the public option out of a bill passed in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, it was passed in the fine tradition of state experimentation and would never be imposed nationwide by a good federalist like Romney, etc etc. The big problem is that he’ll have to spin it at all, a calamitous fate for a guy whose conveniently timed conversion on abortion a few years ago has already convinced an awful lot of Republicans that his conservatism is opportunistic. Huckabee’s going to have that same problem given his prior adventures in nanny-statism and immigration but to a lesser extent than Romney, whose reversal on the core plank of social conservatism has left him forever suspect to a lot of GOPers. The more the 2012 primaries are shaped as a test of who the truest “true conservative” is rather than a test of who has the most thoughtful/effective policy solutions (the answer may be the same in both cases), the more trouble Mitt’s in. I know which way I’m betting.
Update: For precisely the reason just stated, I think the worst thing Mitt could do is repudiate RomneyCare before the primaries. His credibility is a bigger problem for him than the programs he passed; if he turns around and says, “in hindsight, I was wrong and wish we hadn’t done it,” it’ll be a redux of his abortion reversal and he’ll crash and burn. Best to defend the program however he can.
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Huckabee has as much chance being the Nominee as a Squirrel does in a pot of stew in his house.
William Amos on September 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Are there any Hispanic conservatives out there. I mean really conseravtives that could run b/c if the GOP could get a Hispanic on the ticket they would win handsdown. I’m not talking about some illegal alien supporting Republican but a Hispanic with real conserative beliefs.
lavell12 on September 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Lavell12: You are forgetting something….
People are clammering for a “conservative” and Sarah is one. She’s playing it smart right now. Getting a following and defying the stupid Blue Blood Republicans that hate her. They do so at their own peril.
Plus, the women and Seniors in this Country are now fired up and they love Sarah. Enough said. We have already decided. We are just trying to figure out the VP. I have my ideas.
suzyk on September 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Until the General, it isn’t either or.
Though, Tickle, would you vote for Romney over Obama?
Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Romney lost me when he endorsed Bennett for re-election.
SaintGeorgeGentile on September 28, 2009 at 6:16 PM
I think Mitt will point out what goes wrong when Democrat legislators impose idiotic mandates which push up the cost of insurance:
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 6:16 PM
The problem with Pawlenty is he’s nice enough, and almost conservative enough, and I’d vote for him as a straight shooter in a pinch. But don’t you think he’s just a little mousy and wimpy? We need someone stronger and more charismatic.
Mitt’s a goner. Pawlenty is weak. Let’s all take a look at that young up-and-comer, very conservative, squeaky clean, handsome and energetic Marco Rubio.
marybel on September 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM
I meant the general.
applebutter on September 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Romney is on record as saying that he’s most proud of his Massachusetts health care plan.
When I read that, I knew I’d never vote for Romney.
RJL on September 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Very very badly. The state is bankrupt, tax revenues were 40% below what was expected. People and businesses are fleeing in terror. I wish someone would buy my condo so I can get the hell out of here too and move to Texas.
Thanks for asking though.
Rebar on September 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM
But Mitt needs the media to get that message out. Mitt wont get that and we’ll end up with another Mccain as our nominee. Probably that religious bigot Huckabee.
csdeven on September 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Mass healthcare, Mitt’s waterloo … It never works as intended, human nature decrees that the only result is infinite demand and then rationing … It’s the history of all these government run healthcare plans, they become government rationed healthcare.
If people don’t pay, they go to jail, doesn’t sound like something you really want, voluntarily.
tarpon on September 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM
I doubt The ‘Cuda will run, but I sure would vote for her. No Romneycare.
Philly on September 28, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Woops, forgot to include this:
The legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney’s original proposal, including expanding MassHealth (Medicaid and SCHIP) coverage to low-income children and restoring funding for public health programs. The most controversial change was the addition of a provision which requires firms with 11 or more workers that do not provide “fair and reasonable” health coverage to their workers to pay an annual penalty. This contribution, initially $295 annually per worker, is intended to equalize the free care pool charges imposed on employers who do and do not cover their workers. The legislature also rejected Governor Romney’s proposal to permit even higher-deductible, lower benefit health plans.
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Marybel:
I am from Minnesota and Pawlenty is NOT a conservative. Yet another one that is McCain along with Crist and Huckabee.
suzyk on September 28, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Okay, how about you? You would vote for Obama? Or just allow him to be elected by default?
applebutter on September 28, 2009 at 6:20 PM
If Palin is the nominee the VP won’t be someone the right loves. It will be a more liberal Republican. Palin has been talking with and hanging out with Rudy some. I think that a Palin / Rudy ticket could appeal to a lot of people.
lavell12 on September 28, 2009 at 6:20 PM
There is a huge difference between a state and federal public health care program — about 300 million differences, actually; however, this is obviously a huge problem for Romney and will likely be one of the main reasons he doesn’t seriously contend for 2012. Bad timing for him, to be sure, but that’s what he’s facing.
Rational Thought on September 28, 2009 at 6:21 PM
I would vote for Mitt in 2012 if he is the nominee in General election over Obama
Then vote for any other GOPer in 2016 getting rid of him as President. That is only way he gets my vote for President. He has to declare he would be a one termer and keep his word.
William Amos on September 28, 2009 at 6:21 PM
I miss Dick Cheney so much right now.
Philly on September 28, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Pawlenty is a big “Cap & Trade” guy. He championed his own regional Cap & Trade program. He also signed laws requiring our energy providers to buy ever greater percentages of green energy, and of course they are already making noises that they want to raise rates to compensate.
We can do much better than Pawlenty.
RJL on September 28, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. So, go ahead and nominate another rino.
Johan Klaus on September 28, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Considering how very poorly Rudy did in the primary, one could argue he’s not appealing at all on the national stage.
He really should run in NY, where he can make a difference.
Rebar on September 28, 2009 at 6:23 PM
He lost me when he denounced Ronald Reagan.
Norwegian on September 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Are you Palin people still going to love her if she “goes rogue” as an independent in 2012 and splits the GOP, handing another 4 years to Obama before anyone ever casts a vote? I think that’s where she’s headed, and I think it’s a disaster. Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. If her unfavorables are still over 50%, I really hope she backs off and lets someone run who can win it.
Rational Thought on September 28, 2009 at 6:25 PM
I don’t remember this. Did he pull one of those “Reagan’s dead, his era is over, and he wasn’t that great anyway” hit jobs on him?
Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM
I really wish Mike Pence would get some more pub, he is a smart conservative who I think would be a good candidate and President.
lavell12 on September 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Last time, and probably next time, as a Texan, I’ll have absolutely no effect on who’s nominated.
Every time, the election can be lost by 1) voting for a third party candidate, or 2) not voting at all.
A loss puts a dangerously inept fool in the White House for a second term. All of the activism would go to waste.
Make your choice.
applebutter on September 28, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Huckabee lost me when he went after Romney’s religion. Never forget Huckabee cut his political teeth inside the Clinton machine of Hope Arkansas. He has all the darkness of Richard Nixon and the persona of Elmer Gantry.
Romney is finished. He went before his own DEATH PANEL and was found OBSOLETE.
portlandon on September 28, 2009 at 6:27 PM
I’m not a Palin fan and a few weeks ago I would have said that she was a long shot as the nominee in 2012. I’m not so sure anymore. I think Republicans are going to want a stark difference from Obama policy-wise and I don’t think Romney is it. Plus, she enthusiastic fans. We will see.
terryannonline on September 28, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Not Judy
tommylotto on September 28, 2009 at 6:29 PM
This is unfortunate but it’s early days, and politicians re invent themselves all the time.
Dr Evil on September 28, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Ya I liked Huck before he attacked Romeny on his religion.
Mike Huckabee = Gomer Pile
lavell12 on September 28, 2009 at 6:30 PM
His campaign hasn’t even started yet. How can it be finished already?
terryannonline on September 28, 2009 at 6:30 PM
I really think it depends on the turnout in the primaries. If there is lower turnout it probably helps Palin b/c that means more of the conservative base if it has a higher turnout that means more moderates and liberal Rs and hurts Palin.
lavell12 on September 28, 2009 at 6:32 PM
If Romney had really cared about the citizens of MA and this great healthcare program that he implemented, then he would have stuck around and been governor to make sure the program was executed properly.
Now all he can do is blame its problems on the democrats.
Is that true leadership? I think not.
texasconserv on September 28, 2009 at 6:34 PM
I disagree that Romney is ‘finished,’ — we all know no candidate is perfect. I frankly don’t care if someone changes his mind on an issue such as abortion; I’ve changed my views as I’ve gotten older, learned more, etc. Anyway, I don’t think it is productive to start eating our own so soon.
LASue on September 28, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Bingo..
StevefromMKE on September 28, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Ya, I held my nose and voted for the rino the last time. It did a lot of good did it not.
Johan Klaus on September 28, 2009 at 6:35 PM
lavelll2, you really need to google Marco Rubio from Florida. He’s Hispanic-ish (Cuban, I think), very authentically conservative, with some very good credentials. Google is your friend. Crist hates him…for good reason. Rubio is a triple threat.
marybel on September 28, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Rubio is great but don’t you think he needs to get elected in Florida and spend some time there before he runs for President?
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 6:41 PM
I also held my nose and voted for that lying
Rick Perry.
Johan Klaus on September 28, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Boy you can ALWAYS count on Hot Air to give the exactly wrong advice. They do it on Israel, they do it on the economy and they do it on conservatives. Romney is a formidable candidate: he’s got the image, the brains, the experience and the savvy – not to mention money to go the distance. BUT he’s got RomneyCare around his neck. Duh! Dump it and dump it fast, clean, clean and concise! “Hi, I’m Mitt Romney. I thought government medical care was correct and that it would benefit all Massachusetts citizens. Turns out, it was a mistake – and not just a plain-vanilla mistake, it was a brutal mistake. Government health care doesn’t work and it hurts the taxpayer and health care in general. I’m sorry. I was wrong. The only good thing that came out of the entire mess is that I now know it is simply NOT going to work at any level.” That’s how you get over a bone-headed mistake. But leave it to Hot Air – which ALWAYS give the wrong advice, to say to Mitt – no Mitt, just sweep it under the rug like it didn’t happen. Gosh – did you guys go to high school before you dropped out?
Cinday Blackburn on September 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Having conservative principles is the way to get conservative votes.
Johan Klaus on September 28, 2009 at 6:47 PM
The problem is that he has already tried that with other conservative lightning rods such as abortion. How many times can he reinvent himself until he is seen as an empty chameleon colored suit?
tommylotto on September 28, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Michelle Malkin; now there is real conservative.
Johan Klaus on September 28, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Pawlenty’s been talking very “conservative” lately, but it ontradicts much of his policies over his legislative and gubunatorial terms.
Skipper50 on September 28, 2009 at 7:02 PM
I would vote for Romney over Obama…Huckles, I would rather vote third party.
And I agree that Romneycare was a bad idea, but I disagree that if he made a clear case as to why he was wrong…I could go for that. No need to tie yourself to the titanic when you know its sinking.
Conservative Voice on September 28, 2009 at 7:07 PM
We’re having the wrong debate. Romney & Huckabee should be utterly rejected by TEA Party activists, Romney because he’s artificial with a history of bad policy decisions & Huckabee because he’s a big-spending socialist.
We’ll lose badly if either of those guys are our nominee.
The right way to go is to nominate either Sarah Palin or Tim Pawlenty. Both are solidly conservative & have exceptional communication skills.
Most importantly, they’re people that the activists would run through walls for.
LFRGary on September 28, 2009 at 7:08 PM
The problem for Romney is that he started the program but then his term was up and it was left in the hands of the Democrats to mess with. Regardless, he left to take blame for the whole thing. Not a good situation for him.
jnelchef on September 28, 2009 at 7:09 PM
RomneyCare will kill any chances that Mitt would otherwise have in 2012.
He is tied to its mast.
Even if the program succeeds from the perspective of those who voted for it, it will kill him with conservatives who believe in the superiority of the free marketplace over government programs.
I will not vote for Mitt or for Huck.
molonlabe28 on September 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Cinday Blackburn on September 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM
+1
On the abortion issue…it is amazing to me that so called Christians can’t forgive someone who tries to repent. My problem with Romney isn’t the abortion issue…its his willingness to play footsies with socialism…so his distancing against Romneycare and saying he was wrong would go a long way for me.
Conservative Voice on September 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Romney is McCain times 2
Never will I vote for him!
Lisa on September 28, 2009 at 7:15 PM
:sigh: Where is a good GOP presidential candidate?
I miss Ronald Reagan.
WannabeAnglican on September 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Word.
terryannonline on September 28, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Mitt: Not a leader and definitely not conservative.
vilebody on September 28, 2009 at 7:19 PM
I’d still vote for Mitt over Huck, but don’t think either of them will be the candidate. Don’t know who yet, but these guys had their chances. Huck in my opinion caused Romney to lose to McCain. Thanks Huck. How’d that work out?
Christian Conservative on September 28, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Whats the point? He’d change his mind about it 2 months later.
portlandon on September 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Who is this Romney you speak of? And this Huckabee? They sound like names from a story that was relevant once long ago. Can’t quite place my finger on it though…
joe_doufu on September 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Allah has laid out the best argument Romney can use:
Conservatives will understand that argument. His only problem is convincing them that he is a good federalist.
jaime on September 28, 2009 at 7:32 PM
2008 was a hold your nose and vote for McCain year.
2012 will be a hold your nose and vote for Romney year. If the alternative is another 4 years of the fascist, RomneyCare doesn’t look so bad.
angryed on September 28, 2009 at 7:34 PM
I’m voting Conservative. If Republicans run conservatives, I’ll happily to vote for them, but I’m done voting for sellout rinos.
RJL on September 28, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I think the idea for an indy run is if the GOP is (still) a disaster by then.
exception on September 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Danish, I believe Rubio just term limited out as Fla. State Senator. So he has been elected in Florida.
marybel on September 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Romney damned with faint praise.
RJL on September 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Meh. She can read a telelprompter as well as anyone. I’m old enough to remember some of Reagan’s late press conferences, and those could be pretty tough going as well. Anyway, I’d rather hear an interview with Palin than one with Romney. Romney’s responses are so canned you know what’s coming next.
It’s also worth a lot to have some clear delineation between candidates. Losing to Clinton in ‘96 was inexcusable, Perot and economy and whatever notwithstanding. Almost as inexcusable as losing to an unknown far-left Chicago machine pol.
ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Really! A large majority of the Massachusetts residents disagree with you. Think you might be a little off to the fringe?
http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2009/09/28/support_for_mass_health_insurance_overhaul_drops_but_is_still_strong/
bayview on September 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I don’t think she’s going to run in 2012 at all. You’re going to get your Mitt candidacy, and he’s going to get his ass handed to him.
ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 7:44 PM
No, Massachusetts on average is a little off to the fringe.
ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 7:46 PM
What are you talking about???
He has not been elected as United States Senator yet. I hope he wins and proves himself, but to suggest that he could run for the Presidency now is silly. I realize that Obama lowered the bar pretty low in the experience department, but…
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I honestly don’t understand the big deal with Romney’s abortion reversal.
I too was once pro-abortion until only 8 years ago.
Questioning a healthcare flip-flop is one thing but we should never ridicule people for choosing life.
The Ugly American on September 28, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Massachusetts is quite liberal, still 36% of voters voted for McCain in 2008.
Going back to how Massachusetts residents feel about the health insurance reform brought in by Romney. And mind you the reform had been totally corrupted by Devolve Patrick and the State House with 93% Democrats:
“The poll found that 79 percent of those surveyed wanted the law to continue, though a majority said there should be some changes, with cost reductions cited as the single most important change that needs to be made.”
And that 79% would include many Republicans and Independents.
bayview on September 28, 2009 at 8:02 PM
You RINO you! You have to be a dyed in the wool conservative to pass muster!
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Gov. Romney should explain the original version of the plan, how it was changed and what the impact of the changes have been.
Cindy Munford on September 28, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Understand your point completely, and agree up to a point… I just think Romney is dead meat for many reasons. And I have heard Rubio talk and he does have something special to offer to conservative Republicans. He could have been a US Senator except Crist appointed a place holder crony because Crist couldn’t give Martinez’ seat to Rubio…couldn’t stand the competition. Maybe Rubio will win a US senate seat…we’ll see.
marybel on September 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Exactly. I actually see it as an opportunity to pile on the Democrat Socialist Party.
One of the problems with MassCare is that with expanded access the wait to see a doctor is longer. Mitt should stress that Republicans want to give people incentives to become doctor and be rewarded for their work, while Democrats want to punish them by cutting their fees to the bone.
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 8:09 PM
If a politician change his stance to accomodate the views of different factors on his side, is it flip flop? You can sneer at a person’s philosophical journey and distort and denigrate. But Only a fool will never learn or change.
And You think Barry will change any of his radical positions to accommodate ANY of the things you stand on? I guess it is not only a fool that will not change, I should include ideologues.
bayview on September 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM
When the centrists tell you that all the undeclared favorites of the Right are crazy moonbats with no hope in hell of selling the great mass of America who graduated high school–not that centrists won’t do what is necessary for the Party, but that all their friends won’t vote GOP, you understand– they do so out of the deepest commitment to our country and its future.
When the conservatives swear they, themselves, will not vote for any of a handful of undeclared, fence-straddling big-government liberal Republicans, it is because they are goddam self-destructive falangists who want Obama as a crown of thorns.
It is too bad we need each other’s money, or we’d never speak to each other.
Chris_Balsz on September 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM
He very well might. But in any case he needs something more under his belt (preferably with executive experience) before he goes for the Big Kahuna. As for Mitt being toast, you may be right, but I think it’s waay too early to come to that conclusion. A lot of the people who have venomous scorn for Mitt are Palinistas or Hucksters so it’s not as if there’s total objectivity at work.
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM
njpat on September 28, 2009 at 8:15 PM
It should be a teachable moment although I do fear that it will turned around on him. I am not optimistic but he should certainly not run away from it. It’s actually a test case on the good and the bad.
Cindy Munford on September 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM
There is no doubt that Romney will have his waterloo!.
Question…Did the State of Hawaii try an universal health care program?. seems to me that they did and soon dismantled the program cause there was lack of funding.
Wondering why this is never mentioned
hawkman on September 28, 2009 at 8:21 PM
If you are left defending your policy as best you can for political reasons to avoid being honest and pointing to the stench in the room you created, you’ve defined Waterloo.
FeFe on September 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM
State run health insurance coverage fails everywhere it was tried. What Romney was saying was that every Massachusetts resident should be required to carry his/her own health insurances, so the cost is not dumped on taxpayers. There is no public options. All the different insurance plans are put forth by private insurance companies.
It is only when the State Legislatures piled on mandates: the plans need to cover this and that and that… when the premium started to become more expensive than planned.
bayview on September 28, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Of course, the reverse is also true. Most of the most rabid anti-Palin junk outside the lib community comes from Mittbots.
Ahhhh, those costs. The full effects of the plan haven’t been felt yet. Prediction: whatever happens to ObamaCare, RomneyCare will be scrapped as unsustainable within 5 years.
ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Bingo.
Yes, the Hawaiian program was a complete failure. It failed because people who had private insurance dropped it because the state would pay for coverage. Sound familiar? Hint: B.O., not M.R.
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 8:33 PM
What you guys are snidely referring to as RomneyCare can be more justifiably called DevolePatrickCare. Why the distortion? Do you guys have an axe to grind? I would like to support a Republican to make sure that Barry will be laid off in 2012. Fracturing any attempt to create an united front on our side will give you another 4 years of Barry and Michelle show.
bayview on September 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Really? I haven’t seen it. People who like Romney don’t fall apart if anyone criticizes him, unlike a certain fan base. There are things I like and don’t like about Palin and I will credit or criticize her accordingly. But if I (or any commenter) dares provides any sort of analysis which is not fawningly positive all hell breaks lose from her very sensitive supporters.
Meanwhile, Palinistas (and Hucksters) see nothing but extreme negativity with Mitt and are vicious in their opposition.
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Wow…..Rush always says that the “state run media” (which the left leaning Politico definitely is) will tell conservatives who their afraid of by who they are attacking.
The fact Politico is attacking Romney just after some high profile calendar events is very telling. They must know something and perhaps they know that being Romney will be formidable in 2012 up against Obama.
Which is true. There is no candidate smarter than Romney to go up against Obama and his massive ego and to go after Obama’s record. Huck’s folksy one liners aren’t going to do it, real intelligence will be needed.
Sarah Palin isn’t running, IMHO. She is writing a book called “Going Rogue” for heavens sake, not the most reassuring title for a possible POTUS candidate, especially one that vacated her governership early.
No Sarah Palin is going to be the GOP kingmaker this time around and she’ll choose Romney.
Romneycare isn’t going to sink Mitt and reading all of these “bumper sticker” shallow attacks isn’t going to make it so.
Romneycare wasn’t a power grab like Obamacare is. Mitt’s motives were good and noble, he tried to bring health insurance to everyone in MA.
Obama on the otherhand is setting up “death panels” (which btw are already staffed because this power grab started in his Stimulas Package) and Mitt Romney is the best person to counter attack all of the crap that is Obamacare.
sheryl on September 28, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM
To answer your question…Romneycare. Yes it passed the Heritage foundation, problem is it opened the door to more socialism.
Mitt also isn’t real strong with guns.
Will I still vote for him in the general election, sure…in the primary, not so sure.
Conservative Voice on September 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Well-said. Mitt also tried to take the money that was being wasted on emergency care for the uninsured and spend it on providing insurance. I don’t know if the CATO critiques take that into account when they do their number crunching.
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 9:08 PM
sheryl on September 28, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Sheryl, Politico isn’t the state run media, rather they are considered part of the new media.
Also, Romney is a stronger candidate than McCain, but how hard can that be really? Its really too too early to figure out who we should vote for, especially since the primary season hasn’t started yet. Second we need to focus…fact is Obama would have no power, none, zero…if Congress was conservative.
Conservative Voice on September 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Mike Pence on Hannity. Like him a lot.
Philly on September 28, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Buy Danish, correct me if I am wrong, doesn’t Romney’s plan mandate people to buy coverage? That is socialism.
Conservative Voice on September 28, 2009 at 9:16 PM
You may agree or disagree with the concept of mandates, but how is it “Socialism”?
Buy Danish on September 28, 2009 at 9:22 PM
No, the GOP has done a fine job of paving the way for Obama all by themselves for the past 21 years.
If Obama is allowed another term, blame yourself for supporting frauds who claim they are conservative.
nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Buy Danish
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18322
This should answer your question as to why it opens the door to more socialism…because his plan requires more government, not less.
The real conservative plan is tort reform, health savings accounts, and allowing people to buy coverage across state lines…ie more competition.
Conservative Voice on September 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Thanks Buy Danish.
And I don’t know where Michael Tanner is getting his information to critique Romneycare but to say that it’s just Obamacare without the public option seems intellectually sloppy.
Here is an excellent article to prove that point. It’s about how Obamacare has already somewhat started in language buried into the Stimulas Plan that passed this last February that no one read.
Romney would never govern like Obama…..never. He’s an honest man try to serve the people, which is nothing like Obama, it’s all about him and his big labor/big business payoffs.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/27/obamas-two-part-health-care-plan-is-hazardous-to-your-health/
sheryl on September 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Pence – Palin 2012.
darwin-t on September 28, 2009 at 9:26 PM
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