Is ObamaCare Romney’s waterloo?

posted at 5:40 pm on September 28, 2009 by Allahpundit

Somewhere, Huckabee’s gleefully rubbing his hands together and nodding.

Three years ago, Romney was heralded for his innovative effort to institute near-universal health care in his state. But now that the issue has emerged as a partisan fault line and the Massachusetts plan has provided some guidance for Democratic reform efforts, Romney finds himself bruised and on the defensive as the GOP rallies around opposition to President Barack Obama’s plans…

It’s not just Romney’s ballot box foes who are taking him to task over his signature accomplishment as governor. His health care program has been lacerated by prominent conservative bloggers and also by the Wall Street Journal, Forbes and National Review, the conservative magazine that endorsed him in the 2008 GOP presidential primary.

“It’s Obamacare with the public option not included,” said Michael Tanner of the libertarian-oriented Cato Institute. “It’s pretty indistinguishable from what the president is proposing.”…

Romney can rightfully boast that he got much what he aimed for, since less than 3 percent of Massachusetts citizens are currently uninsured. But critics insist that the cost of Romney’s program has far exceeded the governor’s estimates and have targeted the plan as a prime example of what not to do on the national level.

Even in Massachusetts there are signs of discomfort with the plan: A June Rasmussen Reports poll found that only 26 percent of Massachusetts voters thought the state’s health care reform was a success.

The threshold question is how much of an issue ObamaCare will still be in two years when the primaries start hopping. Even if it passes, we supposedly won’t start to feel the pain until 2013; if the economy’s still in the toilet, Obama will be vulnerable and centrist Republicans might be willing to hold their noses on RomneyCare to nominate a guy with business and managerial expertise. The big problem for Mitt, I think, isn’t that he passed statewide universal health care. He can spin that in numerous ways to distinguish it from ObamaCare, e.g., it was an amazing victory for small government to keep the public option out of a bill passed in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, it was passed in the fine tradition of state experimentation and would never be imposed nationwide by a good federalist like Romney, etc etc. The big problem is that he’ll have to spin it at all, a calamitous fate for a guy whose conveniently timed conversion on abortion a few years ago has already convinced an awful lot of Republicans that his conservatism is opportunistic. Huckabee’s going to have that same problem given his prior adventures in nanny-statism and immigration but to a lesser extent than Romney, whose reversal on the core plank of social conservatism has left him forever suspect to a lot of GOPers. The more the 2012 primaries are shaped as a test of who the truest “true conservative” is rather than a test of who has the most thoughtful/effective policy solutions (the answer may be the same in both cases), the more trouble Mitt’s in. I know which way I’m betting.

Update: For precisely the reason just stated, I think the worst thing Mitt could do is repudiate RomneyCare before the primaries. His credibility is a bigger problem for him than the programs he passed; if he turns around and says, “in hindsight, I was wrong and wish we hadn’t done it,” it’ll be a redux of his abortion reversal and he’ll crash and burn. Best to defend the program however he can.

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I know which way I’m betting.

Which begs the question… what if it isn’t Huck?

upinak on September 28, 2009 at 5:42 PM

It doesn’t take health care for there to be a Romney “Waterloo”…his Waterloo is that he doesn’t connect with voters.

right2bright on September 28, 2009 at 5:44 PM

What was his Waterloo last time?

d1carter on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

I do think Romney can overcome this..He can admit that it was a mistake based on the actual evidence. We have hard data to prove that it was a bad decision, there will be even more when the primaries heat up..

Pam on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining, Romney. You’re not a Conservative–you’re a Republican.

Enoxo on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

comments will be a blood bath here

blatantblue on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Romneycare was a state issue. The states have the right to form insurance pools, to have state run health care, etc., IF the people of the state want it.

A health care program run at the state level is not something I want but it’s not unconstitutional either.

All I need to hear from Romney is that he will not support expanding federal health care.

Lynn2008 on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Romney’s plan was the proverbial camel’s nose that allowed the legislators to take over the tent and impose more and more costly mandates and regulations to Mass health care.

You should have known better, Mitt.

Laurence on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Look, all I know is that, if our ’12 hopes hinge on fricking Huck or Romney, we’re going to lose again, probably by a larger margin. Feh.

Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I know which way I’m betting.

For Huckabe?

Schadenfreude on September 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM

FRED THOMPSON 2012!!!!

Hoodlumman on September 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Is ObamaCare Romney’s waterloo?

I sure hope so.

D0WNT0WN on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

What was his Waterloo last time?

d1carter on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

I think it was calling himself Reagan in every state except Michigan where he promised to be the next FDR.

myrenovations on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

What was his Waterloo last time?

d1carter on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

The allegation of flip flopping (and likely his religion), which hasn’t exactly gone away.

Mitt would have been a good candidate for the current economic climate, but he’s better at convincing liberals to vote for him than getting conservatives to.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Actually good or bad the health care debate should be a state problem. Of the 50 states I think a couple of them could come up with a solution for the other states to improve on or adopt.

fourdeucer on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

I wrote the same thing two months ago. There’s almost no difference between the two and there’s no way that Republicans will vote for someone that supported such a health care system.

mike volpe on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Fred Thompson? Won’t he be close to 80 by 2012?

Lynn2008 on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

NONE OF THE ABOVE 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need fresh meat.

txag92 on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Romney the RINO is exactly what we don’t need in 2012.

Dave R. on September 28, 2009 at 5:48 PM

What was his Waterloo last time?

d1carter on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Voters were put off by the sight of Hugh Hewitt humping his leg for two years. It made Chris Matthews appear almost reserved.

Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 5:48 PM

I do think Romney can overcome this..He can admit that it was a mistake based on the actual evidence. We have hard data to prove that it was a bad decision, there will be even more when the primaries heat up..

Pam on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Maybe so, but AP’s got a point in saying that he just did that in the last election, and it didn’t work so well for him.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 5:48 PM

2012 will be just as much about who can win as judged by the grassroots as who can carry the Mantel.

rob verdi on September 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

comments will be a blood bath here
blatantblue on September 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Ya think, DiNozzo? This thread will go 500+.

kingsjester on September 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Look, all I know is that, if our ‘12 hopes hinge on fricking Huck or Romney, we’re going to lose again, probably by a larger margin. Feh.

Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM

LOL…you can say that again. If Palin is too much of a “hopelessly damaged joke” to merit consideration, then we’d better hope someone with her charisma emerges pretty quickly. Otherwise, it’s Obama part II, probably by a Reagan-Mondale margin.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Palin will beat them both.

dforston on September 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Somewhere in New York, Huckabee’s Allahpundit’s gleefully rubbing his hands together and nodding.

I_C on September 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 5:48 PM

I quit read HH during that leg humping time. heh

d1carter on September 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Romney’s Waterloo is that he’s Romney.

Nice guy. Ineffectual candidate.

rrpjr on September 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Allahpundit, “The big problem for Mitt, I think, isn’t that he passed statewide universal health care. He can spin that in numerous ways to distinguish it from ObamaCare…”.

And just when does Allahpundit intend to join Obama’s re-election campaign, to “spin” all of his socialist rubbish?!

Lockstein13 on September 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

NONE OF THE ABOVE 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need fresh meat.

txag92 on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Well you’d better get into that butcher shop by this time next year.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

2012 will be just as much about who can win as judged by the grassroots as who can carry the Mantel.

rob verdi on September 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Regrettably, I’m afraid that ’12 will be like most other election years for the GOP — the nomination will go to whoever’s “turn” it is, so probably either Romney or Huck. It’s so stupid.

Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Fred Thompson? Won’t he be close to 80 by 2012?

Lynn2008 on September 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM

No, not at all. Even McCain was only 72, though that was enough to make it an issue. Fred is 67.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Romney is the most poll tested, focus grouped, rehearsed, programmed, phony politician I’ve ever seen. He might very well be a robot constructed by the RINOs in the RNC advanced research projects lab.

And Huckabee is a snake oil salesman. I do not want a televangelist in chief. Let him have his ridiculous TV show, fine. The Republican nomination? No. NO. And HELL NO!

D0WNT0WN on September 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

It seems that the voters in general like to have a President that is the opposite of the most glaring trait of the current office holder. For Obama, while hard to pin down cause there are so many, I would say that it is cult personality. To me, the most opposite of Obama that I can see is Pawlenty. Pawlenty seems to provide a straight shooter without much flare. The opposite of Obama.

WashJeff on September 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

He’s not the guy…that simple. He’s preferrable to any Democrat I can think of, but still not a good conservative choice. Allah’s right…RomneyCare is a big issue, especially given his twists and turns on other core issues.

AUINSC on September 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

It doesn’t take health care for there to be a Romney “Waterloo”…his Waterloo is that he doesn’t connect with voters.

right2bright on September 28, 2009 at 5:44 PM

In the last cycle during the NH pimaries (a great time by the way) all the staffs of the respective campaign’s dubbed Romney as Plasticman, as he has not an authentic bone in his body!

This was a truly “bi-partisan” concensus by the way the running joke was that he and she of fake tears (HRC) were meant for eachother.

Archimedes on September 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Otherwise, it’s Obama part II, probably by a Reagan-Mondale margin.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Eh, Obama is doing a lot right now to make sure that never happens. I wouldn’t count him out just yet.

And if anything, Obama’s failures will only hurt other charismatic leaders with little experience, as voters will be looking for “not Obama” just like they were looking for “not Bush” last year.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Regrettably, I’m afraid that ‘12 will be like most other election years for the GOP — the nomination will go to whoever’s “turn” it is, so probably either Romney or Huck. It’s so stupid.

Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

If it comes down to Romney vs Huckabee, I’m going door-to-door for Romney.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Is ObamaCare Romney’s waterloo?

.
Yes, absolutely. He should not even waste our time running.

JeffVader on September 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM

He’s the worst kind a liberal. A liberal Republican – from the north east.

BowHuntingTexas on September 28, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Sarah Palin 2012!
We know she is conservative.
Romney, not so much.

cubachi on September 28, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Eh, Obama is doing a lot right now to make sure that never happens. I wouldn’t count him out just yet.

And if anything, Obama’s failures will only hurt other charismatic leaders with little experience, as voters will be looking for “not Obama” just like they were looking for “not Bush” last year.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM

As bad as it was in 1980, I don’t think Bush Sr. would’ve beaten Carter…and Obama’s far more slick than Carter could have ever been.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Conservatives are going to lose again in 2012 because all the candidates that are “conservative” enough are freaking crazies (read Palin, Huckabee). Romney will keep the country to the right of the middle…if you need way right then by all means, know yourselves out, but enjoy another 4 years of President Panty Waste.

jawbone on September 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Is ObamaCare Romney’s waterloo?

Uh . . . is water wet? Seriously, how can anyone believe Romney is still electable? As I wrote in the headlines comments, Romney was my #1 choice in ’08, but now he’s damaged goods for two reasons:

1) He already lost once; to everyone except his true believers he now has a big “L” tattooed on his forehead.

2) During the ‘08 campaign he touted MA healthcare reform as an example of his brilliance. His opponents’ (both Rep. & Dem.) campaign commercials will write themselves.

I still like Romney — he’s smart, well-spoken and unlike most politicians actually knows how to run a business — but that was then and this is now. In ’12 he would be easy target. Stay out of it, Mitt. Pretty please?

Splashman on September 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM

And just when does Allahpundit intend to join Obama’s re-election campaign, to “spin” all of his socialist rubbish?!

Lockstein13 on September 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

You know who’d that benefit?

Mitt Romney.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I quit read HH during that leg humping time. heh

d1carter on September 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM

I love Hugh, but the Romney worship has been really hard to take. The worst part was how he pretended that he wasn’t necessarily backing Mitt until the primaries. I don’t know who he thought he was fooling, but it was embarrassing.

Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM

know=knock

jawbone on September 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Romney is doomed. As a candidate, I’d put him in the same category as Pawlenty–not exciting, but competent white guy. In every way Pawlenty comes out on top. Populist appeals: advantage Pawlenty. Not playing a part in a health-care boondoggle: advantage Pawlenty. Fiscal conservatism: advantage Pawlenty. Paranoia about Mormonism: advantage Pawlenty.

year_of_the_dingo on September 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM

If it wasn’t for Romneycare, Romney would probably be president right now.

He is DOA in 2012.

Which leaves Huck or Palin and Huck isn’t getting it. Well Giuliani could always win gov of NY and take the nomination.

jhffmn on September 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Is ObamaCare Romney’s waterloo?

NO – you are what you are.

If you’re a conservative – it’s obvious.

If you’re a lib – it’s obvious.

Romney is a nice man – a successful man – a good American.

He is NOT the GOP’s answer for the future.

jake-the-goose on September 28, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I’d rather Romney admit he made a big mistake and has learned from it than to try and get excited about the rest of the field- Palin included.
Now if Jindal decides to run then I really believe it will be moot- he will be the fresh face with real executive experience. Also, the dirty little truth is that Obama can’t play the race card effectively against Jindal.
If nothing else I hope and pray that the GOP and it’s base will realize that the enemy of “very good” is “perfect”.

jjshaka on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Right now, I think Huck is going to be the nominee. I both lament and fear this.

lorien1973 on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Romney simply is not a movement conservative, just like McCain wasn’t, and after last time the republican base simply will not accept someone who is not a solid conservative.

The big story that’s not being heard, is the dramatic lurch to the right within the republican party base. And they want someone who’s going to fight for core conservative principles. Romney is a squishy RINO with a horrible record, including but not limited to Romneycare.

But we absolutely need closed primaries from now on, we cannot keep letting squishy independents and moneywrenching democrats choose republican candidates.

Rebar on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

On the contrary, it could be the feather in his cap. If the Obamacare plan is defeated, the Dems and the mainstream media spin will be that the Republicans are the party of “NO”. And that all Americans would have been covered if not for those evil Republicans.

Romney will still stand alone as the only Republican who attempted to do something about addressing health insurance costs. Despite, the Republican talk about the meriad of other ways to reform health care and lower costs without a government option – Bush did nothing, neither did his Republican house and Senate.

Romney has always maintained that the benefit of having 50 states, is that you 50 different laboratories where you can experiment and come up with solutions. They tried something in Massachusetts, it hasn’t been a complete success. But, there are parts of the Mass plan other states might try to emulate or at worst learn from. I imagine that’ll pretty much be his position in 2012 – that of a federalist.

Hardly his Waterloo.

joncoltonis on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Huckabee is delusional if he thinks he should enter the race in 2012. Romney can’t split it down the middle and claim Romney Care is a success for a Democratic state like MA. He should have pointed to the problems, made the case why it can’t work on a national level. It defies credibility to say laws of economics somehow have a different outcome if you are dealing with a largely Democratic population. People respect someone who can say what they learned if they talk about it honestly.

He is sitting on the sidelines hoping this issue passes him by. In the mean time Palin is securing the base and putting Obama on the defense. It’s all still a long way off but so far Romney is MIA.

msmveritas on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

too bad because less than 3% of Mass are uninsured. The bill did what it was suppose to do, give people private options. The people who were “forced to buy insurance” i.e. the mandate was the population of younger people who didn’t have any insurance (but could afford the cell phone and the deluxe cable package) thought they were invincible and when they got sick showed up at the emergency room and let the state pick up the tab. We could insure the 14 million people in the US similar to what we did in Massachusetts except for the fact that the billion dollars we were spending on taking care of uninsured folks we could use to subsidize the working poor who made just a little too much to be on Medicaid. Unfortunately the US government does not have a “pot of money” like that to tap into. Massachusetts was unique. There are some wonderful things that the Governor can talk about that shows the difference between Obamacare and “Romneycare”. It is logical and smart. Hopefully people will see the difference.

Ricki on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I would prefer somebody besides Romney or Huck too. I don’t think either of these 2 connect with the voters. Romney has flip-fopped to much on to many issues. Huck I can’t see him being president after being a talk show host on Fox. Don’t think it will work.

Brat4life on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Allahpundit: “His credibility is a bigger problem for him than the programs he passed; if he turns around and says, “in hindsight, I was wrong and wish we hadn’t done it,” it’ll be a redux of his abortion reversal and he’ll crash and burn. Best to defend the program however he can.”

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Think marriage and responding to your spouse.
Think Watergate and the coverup versus the crime.

Whatever works for you.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Lockstein13 on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

As bad as it was in 1980, I don’t think Bush Sr. would’ve beaten Carter…and Obama’s far more slick than Carter could have ever been.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM

That’s kinda my point though. Carter wasn’t exactly charismatic. Reagan was.

Then Bush Sr. got in and then suddenly we have Clinton. And then another Bush, and now Obama.

They’re not always polar opposites.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

FRED THOMPSON 2012!!!!

Hoodlumman on September 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I LOVE Fred but alas, I think his time has passed. I love him still for VP though.

Monica on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

f it comes down to Romney vs Huckabee, I’m going door-to-door for Romney.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM

As a guy who never dreamed in a million years that he’d go door-to-door in PA for fricking John McCain, I hear you.

But why are we talking about ObamaCare as Romney’s Waterloo, anyway? Why not keep the focus on making sure it’s Obama’s Waterloo?

Kensington on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Conservatives are going to lose again in 2012 because all the candidates that are “conservative” enough are freaking crazies (read Palin, Huckabee).

jawbone on September 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM

I disagree with Huckabee, but I don’t see how either Huckabee or Palin could be called far-right “crazies” by anyone other than someone trying to push Romney. Reagan was freaking crazy too.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

I think the problem will only get worse for Romney if Obamacare gets passed. Having said that I think it is important to note that this is precisely the reason why Romney has been keeping a rather low profile lately while the health care debate has been going on.

Hellrider on September 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

So…Reagan and Nixon had L’s tatooed on their foreheads and yet they won twice.

Uh . . . is water wet? Seriously, how can anyone believe Romney is still electable? As I wrote in the headlines comments, Romney was my #1 choice in ‘08, but now he’s damaged goods for two reasons:

1) He already lost once; to everyone except his true believers he now has a big “L” tattooed on his forehead.

jawbone on September 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

That’s probably the biggest problem for him but it isn’t the only one. You’ve also got the abortion issue that was mentioned. You’ve also got him pandering in the primary to get votes in Michigan and Florida.

It all adds up to the same thing, he’s a little too much of a dealmaker. He’s shown too much of a tendency to adjust his principles to the winds of the day and it leaves you wondering where he really stands on too many things. As much grief as McCain gets for the same things, and usually deservedly so, Romney isn’t any better in my estimation.

In a different time and place, that might not be quite as much of a problem for him. After the battles we face now, though, I don’t see how he overcomes it in a primary. Bi-partisanship has lost it’s charm, if it ever had any in the first place. Either way, it isn’t going to be easy to campaign on that stuff anyway. Not after Obama is being exposed as the fraud most conservatives knew him to be, on that front.

That’s why I am not so quick to write off Palin. She has to be very impressive to get her numbers up, but I think she is quite capable of making a turnaround (in popular opinion) as more people get a steady dose of liberalism in action. I wish she would have stayed as Gov, but it isn’t a dealbreaker for me and I don’t think it will be for many if she shows well in a campaign. I also think Pawlenty is more of a factor than most seem to. Minnesota isn’t the easiest state for a Republican governor either, but I think he held the line much, much better than Romney. I think that’s a case he can make effectively in a primary and win votes with.

stldave on September 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Unless the GOP has a fresh face nobody is talking about that will run and connect with voters I think Mitt wins by default like McCain did last time. I think Palin won’t run and Huckabee is not liked by any conservatives I know.

lavell12 on September 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Does everybody have a waterloo? Thought it was only that short guy from France.

// ;-)

Brian on September 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Maybe we all need to take a long look at Marco Rubio from Florida.

Also becoming more interesting by the day is the eloquent, politically savvy Liz Cheney…who hasn’t yet been cannibalized by the MSM as per Sarah Palin.

There are way more interesting potential candidates than Mitt.

marybel on September 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Romney will never be president, thanks to the stubborn religious right. He will split the party like Perot did. They will vote for Huckabee and we will have another four years of this crap.

cannonball on September 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM

The Republican bench is looking weak in 2012….the good news it is still years away.

terryannonline on September 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I’m an anyone-but-Obama kind of guy. But the GOP has to go with the best it has when the time comes.

Romney looks the part, but he doesn’t act the part. Romneycare sets his feet in concrete and sends him to the bottom of very shallow GOP waters.

BuckeyeSam on September 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I’m not talking about right wing crazy, I’m talking just crazy…Huckabee is nuts and Palin can’t communicate linearly to save her life.

I disagree with Huckabee, but I don’t see how either Huckabee or Palin could be called far-right “crazies” by anyone other than someone trying to push Romney. Reagan was freaking crazy too.

jawbone on September 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM

However the liberal media says the nominee should be the GOP needs to stay away from. They hated Reagan and Bush and thought they had no chances yet loved Dole and McCain.

lavell12 on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

That’s kinda my point though. Carter wasn’t exactly charismatic. Reagan was.

Then Bush Sr. got in and then suddenly we have Clinton. And then another Bush, and now Obama.

They’re not always polar opposites.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

A common thread here: the winners were charismatic. Bob Dole was a sensible man, but he lost to the philanderer who had just had a pretty bad 4 years.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

No, not at all. Even McCain was only 72, though that was enough to make it an issue. Fred is 67.

Ok, he just looks 80.

Look, I’m 65 myself so I’m not being ageist here. I’m not going to vote for someone in my own generation. It’s time to move on.

Lynn2008 on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

I beg to differ. Mitt is Mitt’s Waterloo.

In his defense, I’m pretty sure that RomneyCare was implemented in complete adhearence to the ideals of federalism. And the democrats completely destroyed his plan in favor of their plan.

But I agree. Mitt needs to defend what he did.

csdeven on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

That sound you’re not hearing? That’s me not shedding a tear for Mitt. You signed the bill, you own it.

innominatus on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

^ Well, charismatic except for Bush Sr. He rode Reagan’s coattails.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Palin, Cheney, Bachmann,

The biggest nutz of the conservatives…. and yet have none.

upinak on September 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Conservatives are going to lose again in 2012 because all the candidates that are “conservative” enough are freaking crazies (read Palin, Huckabee). Romney will keep the country to the right of the middle…if you need way right then by all means, know yourselves out, but enjoy another 4 years of President Panty Waste.

jawbone on September 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Palin isn’t a “freaking crazy”, and as much as I don’t like him, neither is Huckabee. But then comments like these are certainly a large part of the problem with the RNC. So many are so willing to eat “their own”.

And it’s pathetic to settle for just right of center when the Democrats actually had the balls to elect a full on liberal.

Also, the dirty little truth is that Obama can’t play the race card effectively against Jindal.

jjshaka on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

If they can play it against Michael Steele, they can play it against Jindal.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Fools…

… You actually think Obama will allow another election?

Seven Percent Solution on September 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM

That sound you’re not hearing? That’s me not shedding a tear for Mitt. You signed the bill, you own it.

innominatus on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

That probably seemed like a more prudent idea in 2003 than it does now.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM

If we are going to forfeit the election with Huck, can’t we at least do it in style?

Chuck Norris/Ted Nuget 2012!

jhffmn on September 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Fools…

… You actually think Obama will allow another election?

Seven Percent Solution on September 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM

They forgot to read 1984, Animal Farm, Soylent green…

upinak on September 28, 2009 at 6:04 PM

In 2006, I should say.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM

It seems that the voters in general like to have a President that is the opposite of the most glaring trait of the current office holder. For Obama, while hard to pin down cause there are so many, I would say that it is cult personality. To me, the most opposite of Obama that I can see is Pawlenty. Pawlenty seems to provide a straight shooter without much flare. The opposite of Obama.

WashJeff on September 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

I hold that same theory, and reach the same conclusion.

stldave on September 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM

I’ve been a strong Romney guy since, oh, Condaleeza flamed out in 06. I’m not convinced Romney is even interested in running again, actually. He pretty much dropped off the radar after Huckabee shoved the dagger into his back in West Virginia. And while he has done a lot, he’s been very low key since then. I think his wife is still too ill, and he just doesn’t want to go through a campaign again.

He knows you guys hate his guts; after all there are several on this site who hit their knees every night that we have Obama instead of Romney. And he’s not a RINO, but no one will ever allow him to shake that label. Why spend all that money in a futile attempt?

As for Romneycare, he’s gone on record several times that parts worked well, parts did NOT work well, and that apparently no one on any side cares to ask him his opinion of what works and doesn’t.

Look, what has Romney done since he dropped out? Toe the line, help support Republicans, and enjoy life. Does anyone else see him actually making any noises about running? We get repeated Palin sightings, Huck is on TV all the time, but Fred, Tanc, and Romney are content to be quiet.

I think he’s done as a candidate. Unless he runs for a governor again. Why put up with the Huckabots religious bigotry again, especially since the base doesn’t trust him?

Vanceone on September 28, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Romney should have been a non-player in the GOP primaries this LAST election, but people REFUSED to look at Romney’s record on socialist healthcare and the 2nd Amendment. Will Republicans EVER learn to examine candidate’s records?
How’s that mandatory healthcare working out for you, MA?

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Let’s stop talking about these fools Huck and Romney, because we all know that absent an absolute meltdown, Sarah Palin has this nomination if she wants it. Palin is the only true blue, unabashed conservative in this field and she looks good too. Its just too devastating of a combo to compete against.

milemarker2020 on September 28, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Oh, it will be played- Alexrod and Co. are going to be using anything to smear the GOP nominee.The question will be it’s effectiveness with the 20% that will decide the election.
Smearing a young governor with 6 years experience, who happens to be of Indian decent is playing with racial dynamite by Barry. Let him try, I would welcome it.

jjshaka on September 28, 2009 at 6:08 PM

I’ll give Romney the benefit of a doubt. There are 141 Democrats and 19 Republicans in the Mass House, and 35 Democrats and 5 Republicans in the Senate.

Thomas Edison found 10000 ways a light bulb wouldn’t work before he found one that would, and he didn’t have to get his designs approved by Tesla supporters.

applebutter on September 28, 2009 at 6:10 PM

The people who were “forced to buy insurance” i.e. the mandate was the population of younger people who didn’t have any insurance (but could afford the cell phone and the deluxe cable package) thought they were invincible and when they got sick showed up at the emergency room and let the state pick up the tab.

Cell phone bills and health insurance bills are vastly different. Health insurance can run about $300 a month.

And not all of us run to the emergency room without paying our bills. I’m sick of the generalization about us.

We could insure the 14 million people in the US similar to what we did in Massachusetts except for the fact that the billion dollars we were spending on taking care of uninsured folks we could use to subsidize the working poor who made just a little too much to be on Medicaid.

Ricki on September 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM

So even though the working poor in this country often also have cable TV and cell phones, you don’t want to force them to pay for their own medical care but would rather young people who don’t need it help bring down the costs?

It’s my money. If you want to force me to spend it, make up a good reason.

A common thread here: the winners were charismatic. Bob Dole was a sensible man, but he lost to the philanderer who had just had a pretty bad 4 years.

ddrintn on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Bush wasn’t charismatic, neither of them, and Clinton had a great economy. That’s worth a lot.

Look, I’m 65 myself so I’m not being ageist here. I’m not going to vote for someone in my own generation.

Lynn2008 on September 28, 2009 at 6:01 PM

No, just like a black person can be racist against other black people, you too can be ageist, and you are here. I personally don’t have a problem with it. The job ages even young presidents. I’m sure it isn’t good for the health of those over 70.

Which isn’t to say it would stop me from voting for someone that old or older.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 6:10 PM

To be honest though, Romney could make a very good case for opposing Obamacare on the lines of federalism. That could be a sure fire way to win both moderates and conservatives.

jhffmn on September 28, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Whatever happens, it will be a tough road to 2012.

You have too many elements within the GOP and the right in general that just don’t like each other. The beltway elitists, middle America, the religious, the RINOs – it’s a mess.

The result is, we put forward the least offensive, “compromise candidate” possible.

Plus, as long as the left controls the media, they will play along by ‘helping’ the weakest candidate, forcing public opinion, crappy polling data, and all the dirty tricks in the arsenal.

Even if you knew nothing about politics, or any of the candidates, you can be certain that the one who is attacked by the media is the best choice.

reaganaut on September 28, 2009 at 6:11 PM

The big problem for Mitt, I think, isn’t that he passed statewide universal health care. He can spin that in numerous ways to distinguish it from ObamaCare…

Actually, the big problem for Mitt is that, no matter how much money he spent, he just couldn’t connect with voters and bring in the votes. There’s something too plastic and artificial about him that does not play well on a national stage, and I don’t think that will change by 2012.

irishspy on September 28, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Can’t say I care about this. Wouldn’t vote for him anyway.

tickleddragon on September 28, 2009 at 6:12 PM

I love Sarah Palin but I’m not sold that she get knock off Obama she maybe the next Goldwater. Goldwater had a really excited base and led to the expansion of the conservative movement but wasn’t able to appeal to most of the people but did led to Reagan’s win later.

lavell12 on September 28, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Huckabee is McCain all over again. Forget that idiot. His wife looks like Ma Kettle.

suzyk on September 28, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Smearing a young governor with 6 years experience, who happens to be of Indian decent is playing with racial dynamite by Barry. Let him try, I would welcome it.

jjshaka on September 28, 2009 at 6:08 PM

They already tried it when he ran for governor, playing up the idea that his birth name isn’t Bobby and that he didn’t grow up Catholic.

Whatever the Orea equivalent is for him, you can bet it’ll be played frequently against him if he runs for president.

Esthier on September 28, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Can’t say I care about this. Wouldn’t vote for him anyway.

tickleddragon on September 28, 2009 at 6:12 PM

So, you’d pave the way for a second Obama term?

applebutter on September 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM

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