Ron Paul on Iranian nuke site: I’m tired of all this military-industrial fearmongering
posted at 9:01 pm on September 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
As contemptible as this is, I’ve got two good reasons to spare you a harangue about it. One: I’ve already written that harangue, and after the summer coup in Tehran and another year of cheat-and-retreat on their nuclear program, it’s truer now than it was then. And two: Thankfully, this old crank’s isolationist denialism is so fringe on the right that not even mainstreamers who are sympathetic to his broader agenda, like Glenn Beck, will go near it. It’s almost not worth bothering about. But suffice it to say, in the unlikely event that the three-percent rEVOLution ever commands the foreign-policy agenda of the GOP, I’ll run — not walk — into the Blue Dogs’ arms.
As Paul spoke passionately about ending all military operations and keeping government out of people’s “lifestyles,” a lone heckler began to shout, “Tell her!” Bachmann remained serene, hands folded in her lap, facing Paul. Bringing up Obama’s announcement that Iran had secret underground nuclear facilities, Paul announced that he had had enough of “fear-mongering” for the sake of the “military-industrial complex.” Bachmann, who once advocated nuking Iran, kept her eyes trained on Paul as her heckler repeated, “Tell her! Tell Michele! Tell her!”
A few more choice quotes from Think Progress:
We should never go to war if they’re telling us a lie about what’s happening. … We took the position, over my strong objection, we took the position that we had to have regime change in Iraq.
What they’re getting ready to do is put very, very strong sanctions on Iran. … But sanctions, and blockades, and prevention like this is an act of war.
I’m not sure what “lie” it is we’re being told about Iran, but then this is a guy so eager to see American “lies” at work vis-a-vis enemy powers that he’s been known to accuse the feds preemptively of telling them. Anyway, the point to take away about his Iran shtick is that it’s not an argument about strategy, i.e. “They’re a threat but non-intervention is the best way to stop them.” It’s an argument about facts, i.e. “There is no threat,” which it has to be because once he admits that Iran is dangerous his isolationist “solution” becomes impossible to sell. In that sense he reminds me of opponents of waterboarding, forced to insist that coercive interrogation never ever works because once they admit that it does, their absolutist opposition is politically dead on arrival. Conservatives complain frequently about Paul’s penchant for blaming America — and here, too, in the blockquote above, he’s already laying the groundwork to say “we started it” if and when Iran tries something — but his foreign policy, such as it is, leaves him with no other choice. The only way isolationism works is if literally any form of intervention against an enemy is morally wrong and just cause for disproportionate reprisal. Which is another way of saying it doesn’t work. Happy viewing.
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This is an ancient ploy, “I have no problem with American people, just the American government and its policies”, the Arab world says. In Democracy the government represents the free will of the people, so if someone has a problem with the policies of a democratically elected government, then they have the problem with the people, also. Autocratic regimes have a hard time understanding that.
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:24 PM
tap tap tap…..
Hello?
Is this thing on???
…..tap tap tap
Tomblvd on September 27, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Wahhabi Islam has been trying to wage jihad for 200 years. Turkey has been able to resist Islamist drift, despite wars, despite decades of alleged Saudi-purchased influence.
And yet now, in opposition to a century of their history, this drit is starting to take hold?
Why now? Why didn’t we see this for the last century?
JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Premise is wrong, Turkey was Islamist, did not need to resist based on faith.
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Actually I was just trying to figure out your position. And no I never covered for the Intifada I just never mentioned it. I believe in non-violence so it’s a given that I would be against the Intifada. It is possible though that had Israel simply defended themselves and stayed behind their 1948 borders it would have never happened. They would have bled the Arabs dry. There was no need to advance and expand. It simply makes the problem worse.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 3:28 PM
You’re the one claiming that Mossadegh was assasinated, and that regardless the CIA had nothing to do with it, that the basis of mercantilism is use of the dollar as world currency (as opposed to it being a system that demands fovernment intervention must be used to prevent a negative current account balance), that David Ricardo is a minor economist, that Wahhabi islam has been around for 1400 years, when its founding cleric wasn’t born until the 18th century,…
and I’m the one playing fast and loose with history.
Chutzpah.
JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 3:28 PM
The Saudi peace plan. That thing is a joke, the so called recognition it is not – some typical rhetorical gobbledygook in return for massive Israeli concessions.
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM
lol I’m sure they’ll elect a non-violent government around the time we get a budget deficit neutral one!
On a serious note, their elections run similar to ours. The rich only win here and the saber rattlers only win there. Actually only saber rattlers win in America too so I guess that’s not true.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Israel gives back occupied land in return for peace. Sounds good to me.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Haven’t seen any Japanese skyscrapers fall. Haven’t seen any Swiss embassies blown up. Haven’t seen any Swedish warships blown up in Arab ports.
Of course, maybe that has something to do with there being no Swedish warships being in Arab ports.
Once again, funny how that works out for them.
JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 3:33 PM
What makes problems worse is one party announcing non-recognition of another and total elimination of that non-recognized party – like the Arabs did in 1948. Fortunate for everyone, Israelis stayed and fought. Arabs did not get the message and tried a few times more. Shame on them.
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:36 PM
See, this is where you and I differ.
Israel pushing the palestinians into Egypt and jordan, and taking back all the land they’ve given back since 1967 sounds good to me.
I just don’t favor the US aiding them in this endeavor. I have faith in them to handle it themselves.
JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Like in Gaza ?
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:38 PM
They can, but, arabs want US involved.
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Funny how regular old Islam expanded to conquer half of the known world in an intolerant, misogynist, scorched-earth, homicidal, slavery-based imperialism which was more successful than Rome, Atilla, Persia, Ghenghis Khan and all our more current despots combined.
Funny…
profitsbeard on September 27, 2009 at 3:40 PM
LMAO!
So that is what you count as “completely ignore” now?
This was your initial quote:
I showed you links that prove they are not being “completely ignored”. You, however, “completely ignore” me for over an hour, and this is the best crap you can come up with?
Now, you are only being targeted by islamists if buildings fall or navy ships get blown up?
Are you serious?!?
By you definition, the British, French, Poles, and every other country in the world other than the US are pretty much
in the clear.
Un-freaking-believable.
Tomblvd on September 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Uh, I think you misread me.
I don’t think the Arabs want us involved in Israel pushing the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank, and assuming the 1967 borders again.
Which, given the history, I think Israelis are well within their rights to do, and are quite capable of.
Just without US help.
JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Hitler did not occupy Switzerland, or blow up any Swedish ships (well actually they did but tried to blame in on the allies). Must be because the Swiss and the Swedes were not involved with the Germans.
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Define US help
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Really? Odd, i seem to remember British trains being bombed.
And I remember those bombings happening after they helped us invade Iraq.
Gee, I wonder if there’s a relationship there.
JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Switzerland stayed neutral, and… wonders of wonders… avoided the ravages of WWII.
Lucky Swiss. Smart Swiss.
JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Well even the 1948 borders set by the U.N. were extremely unfair. Jews were about 30% of the population but were given 56% of the land area in 1947 then that was moved up to 78% in the War of Independence. Maybe that’s why the Arabs were so upset in the 40s?
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 3:47 PM
No, 1400 years, as I told you before.
Only now have Muslims reached critical mass in dozens of countries.
I thought you were supposed to be so smart…
Guess you’re not.
The Saudis have been supporting jihad since the early 1970′s.
At the same time, the Muslims have been invading countries all over the globe, especially those of Christian Western Europe and North America where they’ve proceeded to reproduce like rabbits.
That’s why you’re seeing it now.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Okay, this discussion has distracted me far too much from reallyimportant matterrs… like the New york yankees (Boston Sux!!)
I’m checking out for a few hours.
JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM
And Switzerland is the leader of the free world, a harbinger and defender of Democracy.
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Do you have a motor for those goalposts, Galt? Because the amount you move them, you need it.
So now train bombings count? You didn’t say that before.
You said “COMPLETELY IGNORE”. None of those “peaceful” countries were ignored.
Now what is it?
Incidentally, after the Spanish capitulated to the islamists and removed their troops from the ME, there was a train bombing!
Why would the islamists do that? The Spanish were doing just as they were told!
Why don’t you just admit you were wrong, Galt?
Tomblvd on September 27, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Your stats are all crap. Besides, the Bible is clear on who should reside there. What else do you need ?
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Why were they upset in 904 AD ?
runner on September 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM
It figures.
Don’t worry, I’ll be around to continue you weak argument.
Tomblvd on September 27, 2009 at 3:57 PM
I’m not sure the innocent civilians whose families have lived there since what 600 AD, would appreciate that. I sure hope the Native American reservations don’t start expanding anytime soon.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Figures that Galt’s a Yankee fan.
Allah, is thread traffic that important as to give the Paulians grazing rights?
Jenfidel deserves a medal of freedom, or fortitude, or both.
Nichevo on September 27, 2009 at 4:03 PM
First, disprove my stats. Second, I don’t set my moral compass by the opinions of people who thought the world was flat who wrote a book. Third, I’m not sure what’s significant of 904 A.D. As far as I know, Jerusalem was conquered in 638. I don’t believe in violence but those Jews are no longer alive to be repatriated while today there are still innocent Palestinian civilian refugees who are alive and were pushed off their land because their Arab government decided to go to war. Just because a country goes to war doesn’t mean that all their people deserve to pay the price.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM
To conclude, Ron Paul is a nuttier than a fruitcake. It’s been fun. Let’s all do it again sometime.
runner on September 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Switzerland was anything but neutral.
Not only did German trains roll through Switzerland full of Jews on their way to the death camps, but Switzerland both bankrolled the Nazi war machine as well as served as the depository for all the money, jewels and art the Nazis looted from Jewish homes all over Europe.
The cherry on the sundae is that they’ve refused to give the heirs and descendants of Holocaust victims any of their family’s looted money because they can’t produce “death certificates.”
The Swiss will have the blood from this on their hands for eternity no matter how smart and lucky fellow anti-Semites may think they are.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Ah Ron Paul…so close, but yet so far.
He’s got a point: who isn’t tired of the constant scaremongering by the ‘experts’ in the media for ratings and the military for funding? If we were to believe everything they told us, fathers couldn’t hold their daughters’ hands in public for fear of being labeled a ‘Chester’, and we’d all be driving around in APC’s and wearing gas masks!
As for his views on isolationism…there’s balance to be found. The ‘ostrich approach’ so many accuse him of is not feasible in the long run, but to attempt to carry out two expensive and extensive nation-building ventures while our homeland is on the verge of collapse is nothing short of foolishness. Physician, heal thyself!
And on the subject of the ME in general – those who stick their hands in a hornet’s nest should expect to get stung.
Dark-Star on September 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Switzerland was about as neutral as GM and IBM when it comes to Nazi Germany. lol
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 4:12 PM
And that ‘leader’ and ‘defender’ is now on the verge of total social/economic/political collapse barely more than 220 years into its existence.
Some leader.
Dark-Star on September 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Forgive me for not joining you in laughter.
Switzerland was a lot more complicit in the Nazi regime than either GM or IBM.
And I think you mean Ford: Henry Ford was one of the biggest anti-Semites who ever lived, outside of Bavaria or Mecca.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 4:16 PM
The more RP talks, the more he looks and sounds like that Heavens Gate cult leader.
catmman on September 27, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Bless you and thank you! :-)
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Uh, no. Wrong.
They found themselves beyond the ’48 borders upon land they had paid for with Israeli lives and treasure after they were attacked without provocation twice in ’67 and again in ’73.
No sane power would abandon such land.
That being said, the Israelis have given away some of that hard-won land anyway in land-for-peace deals like the Camp David accords only to have the Paleos continue to attack them.
The jihadis won’t stop at the ’48 borders.
Time and time again, they have stated their express intention is to wipe Israel off the map altogether.
Joining the Paleo chorus is Ahmadinajad, hence their pressing need for this Muslim Bomb.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 4:25 PM
And the more Hot-air posters (love that name) demonstrate their continued blind loyalty to choosing the lesser of two evils, the more it becomes clear that the two-party system provides as much real choice as someone trapped on the 100th floor of a burning skyscraper. Lessee…jump or burn?
Dark-Star on September 27, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Maybe in the next Iranian election, Ahmadinejad will ask Ron Paul to be his running mate. Just one anti-Semite to another.
Percy_Peabody on September 27, 2009 at 4:30 PM
What about the Spanish warships in the Arab ports……….
Johan Klaus on September 27, 2009 at 4:31 PM
If Israel wants the international community behind them, they’ll have to abide by the fourth Geneva convention. There is no legal precedent for the Palestinians to expand past the 1948 border nor do they have the capacity militarily to do so.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I hope to see Sarah Palin win in 2012 and she’s not rich.
Nor was Abraham Lincoln.
Or Harry Truman.
Fact is, many of our Presidents haven’t been “rich.”
Nor do see only “saber rattlers” getting elected in Israel.
The impression I get is that all Israelis would love to stop fighting… forever.
They’re tired of fighting, yet they must defend themselves when attacked.
Wrong again.
We don’t have saber-rattling leaders in this country.
America usually fights wars of defense against an aggressive enemy.
Both Wilson and FRD, who both took us to war, ran on an “anti-war” platform as did, of course, George W. Bush.
Lincoln didn’t rattle sabers nor did the North fire the first shot in the Civil War; he only fought because he felt that it was necessary to preserve the union, once the South had begun hostilities and ceded from the union.
Why must Paultards blame America first as well as be our foremost anti-Semites and anti-Zionists?
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 4:37 PM
and the Australian warships, and the Phillipine warships, and the Algerian warships, and the Indonesian warships, and the Macedonian warships………
Johan Klaus on September 27, 2009 at 4:40 PM
I doubt that they do.
They gave up on getting the approval of the “international community” a long time ago.
Netanyahu went in front of the U.N. just last week and upbraided the chamber for supporting those who deny that the Holocaust ever happened and who do not condemn those who call for Israel’s extinction.
He knows it won’t sway them, but it’s something that must be said anyway.
The Paleos don’t care about “legal precedent.”
They just want to see dead Jews.
The “’48(’67) borders” thing is a ruse to get the Israelis to make more concessions in exchange for which they’ll get more Jews killed.
They could have had a separate state in 1948, living in peace side by side with Israel–they chose not to.
They did not choose wisely.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Therefore Israel is not a sane power?
aengus on September 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM
The Japanese and Germans paid the price.
Johan Klaus on September 27, 2009 at 4:44 PM
They are, but they were desperate for peace.
That was Israel, then, though, before Ariel Sharon and Bush’s “roadmap,” which I think marked a watershed moment in the Middle East “peace process.”
The Israelis have finally regained their sanity and realize that no amount of land concessions will buy them any peace.
The problem lies not with Israel, but with the Paleos who will not eschew terrorist murder and who refuse to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a (Jewish) state.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 4:47 PM
So, for better or for worse, we are indeed merchantile.
unclesmrgol on September 27, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Looks like it…JG’s point is solid, although I’d estimate just a little less on the cap-pool percent.
Dark-Star on September 27, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Mmmnn… Ron Paul.
I will be honest and say that I respect Dr. Paul Sr. (so as to distinguish him from the other Dr. Paul, his son Rand) for many of his ideas and the policies he is willing to push in a era when no one else will. Such as the current assault on the FED.
On that point when it comes to domestic policy the man is brilliant and the government needs to be cut down in size drastically. But when it comes to foreign policy Dr. Paul displays a lack of knowledge and common sense that is astounding from one of his position, age, and background.
I will agree with him on scarce mongering. Who is not tired of turning on the TV or browsing the internet and seeing the latest mass panic from people who seem to more headless chicken then human? Even FOX does this from time to time, and usually that network is dependable. Swine Flu anyone?
But Iran is something different. The Grand Ayatollah and his Mullahs, not the facade of a government headed by Ahmadinejad, ultimately control the government. They are not the kind of people we can reason with, I think. That said, a war would be insane. A nuclear Iran must be avoided, but such a goal would require a president with more intestinal fortitude then Obama. It would require a game of brinkmanship beyond our current government’s capabilities.
Something must change internally within Iran. Khamenei does not sit easily as Supreme Leader. Should his support further erode a less insane leader may take power. The same if he dies, and Khamenei’s health is not strong. This assumes of course that the succession would pass peacefully. This would be a stopgap measure though as I would not trust any leader in a theocracy for very long. Ultimately, the best solution would be a democratic Iran, but the Iranians must bring it into being.
Really, this is just another chapter in Iran’s long struggle between secularism and the theological establishment going back to the late Qajar period.
Shogun144 on September 27, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Israel will not remain forever a “(Jewish) state”, given the much higher birthrate of the “Paleos” within its own borders relative that to the Jews. The “Paleo” birthrate resembles that of other Muslim nations, while that of the Jews of Israel resembles that of Western Europe. Either Israel will expel the “Paleos” or, like us, see the character of their own nation change to match their majority (high birthrate) population.
It will be interesting to see, in a few years, what Israel does to address its demographic issue.
As for the external “Paleos”, the story of ‘Imwas is instructive, and shows the rewards attained when one follows exactly the processes defined under Israeli law for attempting to regain your lost property.
unclesmrgol on September 27, 2009 at 4:58 PM
“JG” hasn’t made a solid point probably in forever, but certainly not on this thread.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 4:59 PM
God help us both and I do mean that literally!
(Although I don’t think illegals/Latinos are America’s biggest problem by a long shot.)
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Right off the bat I was talking about Palestine and saber rattlers not Israel. But lets not kid ourselves. America loves war! Grenada, Panama, Libya, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran is next. Somalia even got a few bombs from us didn’t they? We’ll just keep dropping bombs till there’s no more disposable income left for food. That’s how all great empires end except bombs are sorta new.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Unfortunately, occupied land to the Palis, Saudis and other Arab countries means much of what is in the original boarders of Israel, not just the Gaza strip and West Bank. So, to them it means Israel gives up just about everything in their country and then there will be “peace”. It’s the whole “right of return” to prior family properties before Israel’s existence issue. That is possibly the biggest obstacle to so called “peace”. As long as Jewish Israel exists, there will be no peace with the Pali government or other Islamist governments and organizations.
ray on September 27, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Forget it Johan, the brave JohnGault ran away.
Tomblvd on September 27, 2009 at 5:07 PM
No, we don’t.
I know I don’t and I’m sure most other people don’t.
Having our country’s fine soldiers come home dead or even wounded is not something to love.
America fights wars of necessity, not “love.”
Hell no.
The one who armed Somalia was Osama bin Laden.
I take it you are referring to the Black Hawk Down incident?
You’re just babbling now, trying to make your pathetic, “America sucks” Paultard arguments.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:08 PM
That’s not necessarily true. The majority of polled Palestinians say they will recognize Israel’s borders if they leave the occupied lands.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 5:08 PM
I meant we dropped bombs on Somalia. And I’m not babbling. We’re a failing empire, just like ever other one before us.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 5:10 PM
The only problem being that they consider Israel “occupied lands.”
LOL
Your pro-Paleo advocacy is getting to be amusing…
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I’m referring to the Saudi peace plan. If you want to group radical Islam in with innocent Arabs be my guest.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 5:12 PM
We’ve never “dropped bombs” on Somalia.
Are you thinking of Bill Clinton bombing the aspirin factory?
We’re not “an empire.” Never have been and probably will never be, even though other countries may be beg us for the privilege of being our colony.
Nor are we failing, even under the scary leadership of Comrade Urkel.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Breathtaking how you’re able to “nuance” between the Sauds, radical Islam and “innocent Arabs” in just a few words…
Show me an innocent Arab and I’ll show you a suicide bomber who can’t get his detenator to work…
Happened in Dallas just this week!
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Yeah we bombed Somalia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7274462.stm
And indeed we are failing. The dollar is dead, the USDX will hit below 70 soon and the debt will default probably around 2011 as everyone dumps dollars for gold and silver. The jig is up.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM
So an innocent Arab = actually a terrorist? You know that’s actually racist? You’re basing you judgment of character due to their race.
The Calibur on September 27, 2009 at 5:20 PM
And that means almost nothing. The majority elected Hamas, and Hamas insists upon right of return and all properties. That would be an interesting poll to read though, do you have a source? Thanks.
ray on September 27, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Muslims=terrorists & killers (it’s in their Quran. Ask around)
It’s not “racist” to deplore a religion of hate that’s also a political system.
BTW, yours was the 666th comment on this thread.
Coincidence? I think not.
You are aiding and abetting Evil by enabling the IslamoFascist farce.
The Paleos have never had legitimate grievances against Israel and are nothing but killers and thugs.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Plus, once again you use the phrase “occupied lands”. As I pointed out, to the palis “occupied lands” means most of current Israel via the right of return and all historical properties. So, your point does mean nothing. Would still like to see the poll though, if you have a source link. Thanks.
ray on September 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Dark-Star, if you go back and read JG’s posts, you will see that he starts off with the Pauleon presumption that we must not remain a merchantile state, and, during the discussion, comes around to saying that disaster will ensue if we don’t remain one.
I merely presented a small list of scenarios which would convert us from a merchantile state to a nonmerchantile one, and JG decided his previous position was indefensible.
Each of his comments, viewed by itself, is solid. But the totality of the view is sort of like the Nimitz in a hard turn. Enquiring minds wonder what an aircraft carrier doing half-donuts is evading.
[Of course, if we aren't a merchantile state, we don't need aircraft carriers, and can convert this one into a small city along Lake Havasu.]
unclesmrgol on September 27, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Have you ever stopped to consider that he is NOT ignorant on foreign policy and is actually is privy to information that you are not aware of?
The fact is..he IS privy to information that you are not aware of, as you only consider the “evidence” force fed to us by our traitorous foreign owned media.
Ron Paul is aware of the massive SCAM that is the “Federal” Reserve and has helped to bring this information to the forefront.
Are YOU aware of this?
Ron Paul is aware of the dual citzenship of many of our senators and congressmen whose allegiances lie solely with their other country.
Ron Paul is aware of the MASSIVE bribery and blackmail that a huge number of our politicians are subjected to.
Ron Paul is aware of private organizations such as the CFR and the SPP that dictate our policies unbeknownest to us.
Ron Paul is aware of the MASSIVE FRAUD that is our traitorous foreign owned media.
I’m sure even you people are aware of how horribly fraudulent and corrupt our foreign owned media is but you have never once stopped to consider who and what and what is the motivations.
Ron Paul is privy to top secret intelligence briefings and he is NOT as worried about the islamic threat as you are. You people who only know what the traitorous foreign owned media tells you.
Ron Paul is not a traitor who would subject us to irresponsible danger but he is a patriot who is aware of more than you are and he is striking at the root cause(which is corruption from within) while you are simply reacting to whatever misinformation the traitor media tells you.
Paleo conservatism is not some abnormal thing but it is the standard in the republican party. Neoconservatism is a new phenomenom,is insiduous and has permanently destroyed the republican party.
MaximusConfessor on September 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM
You will never hear me say this, even if it’s true, which it is not.
The only way that can happen is if morons like you and JohnGalt23 take over with your stinking thinking, your erroneous “facts” about history and your hatred of “the Other,” whether it be Jews, “Neo Cons” or people who just don’t like Ron Paul.
The dollar will come back and will remain the king of currencies.
Folks won’t drop dollars for metals, even though you and Ron Paul wish they would because he’s heavily invested in gold trading firms.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Are you saying that perhaps the Israelis took something that wasn’t theirs, and that giving it back would be suicide? I thought the standard argument in these cases was that the land was (a) unoccupied, and (b) owned by Ottoman absentee landlords.
Your scenario as it stands paints the Palestinians as technologically advanced Indians fighting a losing battle against Manifest Destiny.
unclesmrgol on September 27, 2009 at 5:33 PM
I don’t need you or Ron Paul to tell me “the truth.”
And I don’t get my news from the “traitorous foreign-owned media,” either.
(Word: A good deal, if not most, of the MSM is Leftist and distinctly anti-Israel.)
Jeepers! Is all of the media worldwide owned and controlled by Zionist, NeoCon Jews?!?
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:35 PM
He did another of those aircraft carrier turns on the growing Islamist movement in Turkey, too.
unclesmrgol, you are hilarious!
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 5:41 PM
traitorous foreign owned media.
There’s those damn JOOOOOOS again…
catmman on September 27, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Ah, the traitor media. The guys who should be lined up against the wall and shot. Faux News, right?
unclesmrgol on September 27, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Wow. That is without a doubt, the longest argumentum ad verecundiam I have ever seen.
Tomblvd on September 27, 2009 at 6:01 PM
<blockquoteRon Paul is privy to top secret intelligence briefings and he is NOT as worried about the islamic threat as you are. You people who only know what the traitorous foreign owned media tells you.
Ron Paul is not a traitor who would subject us to irresponsible danger but he is a patriot who is aware of more than you are and he is striking at the root cause(which is corruption from within) while you are simply reacting to whatever misinformation the traitor media tells you.
MaximusConfessor on September 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Ron Paul is as fraudulent as the day is long. Ron Paul was BUSTED on this very site for supporting 911 conspiracy garbage back in July.
nelsonknows on September 27, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Hmmmm…I wonder why Ron Paul didn’t show up to the House of Representatives for the last 2 weeks before recess, after he was BUSTED on this site for supporting 911 Conspiracy garbage?
Ron Paul is a laughing stock and so are his supporters.
nelsonknows on September 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM
We all just don’t get it he must agree with Andrew Sullivan that this is all part of a cunning plan?
petertheslow on September 27, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Well at least John McCain did not win. He would have been terrible for America.
America did not want another neoconservative is not in power so that’s why Barack won.
Spathi on September 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM
HOW DO YOU GET NEWS FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN? INSIDE AMERICA?
If it’s inside America, then I would be more pragmatic to such news. Possibly, I could be a faux news.
Even CNN has foreign correspondents in other countries – to get news abroad.
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
TheAlamos on September 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Barack won because he’s black.
McCain isn’t another Neo-Conservative.
He’s a RINO who “reaches across the aisle.”
It’s more than obvious by now that you Paultards have nothing except to laud the illusory superpowers of Ron Paul.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 6:15 PM
No one in their right mind believes that invading Iraq was good idea.
No one was buying McCain’s lies when he said He told the American public that he STILL though Iraq was a good idea.
McCain was unfit was unfit to be president. We don’t need a crazy man in the White House.
Spathi on September 27, 2009 at 6:16 PM
McCain was more neocon than Bush. He was on Meet The Press 3 weeks after 9/11 advocating invading Iraq, and he still thinks Iraq was a great idea even though no one else does.
He also wants to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
Spathi on September 27, 2009 at 6:19 PM
I do and so do millions of other Americans, all in their right minds.
That’s a real shame considering we do have one: Barack Insane Obama.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 6:20 PM
You poor Paultard trolls…forced to insult McCain because you’ve run out of defenses for Paul.
Too funny!
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Barack is a Neocon too.
He says he’s not but then goes and does everything the Neocons do.
These morons here should just love him for his actions alone.
BTW who is Rahm Emmanuel? Look into his past.
What army did Rahm Emmanuel join at age 18? It wasn’t the US army.
What country did his Dad run “codes” for? Why was his Dad involved in a terrorist attack that killed 100 british people?
You are right about one thing Spathi..
The neocons knew America did not want another neocon president. So they had Obama say one thing(and do another) and propped up Neo-con John Mccain who they knew didn’t stand a chance and then they fled to the democrat party for the win.
Unless the republican party starts to embrace Ron Paul and paleoconservatism, we will never again win another national election.
MaximusConfessor on September 27, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Don’t worry, we have our good first lady to keep the crazed Hillary Clinton in check. Mitchell should have objected to her becoming Secretary of State.
Having Hillary’s keister as Bush like to say sitting in the oval office would have been worse than Obama.
Paul is who should be president though, but we have to settle for what we got I guess.
Spathi on September 27, 2009 at 6:23 PM
I do.
What a person thinks is what a person thinks. I bought it.
Funny, that’s just what I was thinking was thinking about Ron Paul.
Even people not in their right minds have sane thoughts once in a while.
unclesmrgol on September 27, 2009 at 6:24 PM
I wouldn’t stop at three.
unclesmrgol on September 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM
No you are just brainwashed and ignorant neo con tools who HATE FREE SPEECH and don’t want to even hear any opposing views other than what the Traitorous foreign owned media tells you.
All you are doing is blasting and slandering a good republican congressman(who is a true American patriot who loves this country and wants to protect it)simply because the media opposes him.
MaximusConfessor on September 27, 2009 at 6:29 PM
MaximusConfessor,
If you want a non-hawk, Obama was the best thing you could hope for from the dems.
Barack acknowledges that Iraq was a dumb war. Hillary was still pushing it right up until the very end.
There was very little difference between McCain and Hillary.
Luckily we got Barack out of the Democrat primary. He might not be perfect, but we have to settle with him.
Plus I really like the first lady. I trust her more than Barack.
Spathi on September 27, 2009 at 6:32 PM
And let’s not forget the blind devotion to ‘wars’ we’re NOT winning.
(BTW, call me back when we turn a few Iraqi cities into Dresden look-alikes. Cities, mind you, not mud-hut villages. That is what fighting a war is like!)
Dark-Star on September 27, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Ron Paul is a Jew-hating, America-loathing pig!
I wish he would sit down and STFU.
Jenfidel on September 27, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Dark-Star,
And why would you want to repeat Dresden in Iraq?
Who are we fighting there anyway? I still haven’t figured that out.
Spathi on September 27, 2009 at 6:35 PM
MaximusConfessor on September 27, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Brainwashed “neo-con tools” who HATE FREE SPEECH – yet have somehow given you all day, multiple days and space on this forum to spout your drivel.
RP is an American patriot – who blames America.
RP wants to protect America – by sticking his head in the sand.
RP is opposed by the media – who can’t wait to give him airtime, especially on FOX.
Dude. Do you even realize how stupid you look writing stuff so easily debunked?
catmman on September 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM
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