Ron Paul on Iranian nuke site: I’m tired of all this military-industrial fearmongering

posted at 9:01 pm on September 26, 2009 by Allahpundit

As contemptible as this is, I’ve got two good reasons to spare you a harangue about it. One: I’ve already written that harangue, and after the summer coup in Tehran and another year of cheat-and-retreat on their nuclear program, it’s truer now than it was then. And two: Thankfully, this old crank’s isolationist denialism is so fringe on the right that not even mainstreamers who are sympathetic to his broader agenda, like Glenn Beck, will go near it. It’s almost not worth bothering about. But suffice it to say, in the unlikely event that the three-percent rEVOLution ever commands the foreign-policy agenda of the GOP, I’ll run — not walk — into the Blue Dogs’ arms.

As Paul spoke passionately about ending all military operations and keeping government out of people’s “lifestyles,” a lone heckler began to shout, “Tell her!” Bachmann remained serene, hands folded in her lap, facing Paul. Bringing up Obama’s announcement that Iran had secret underground nuclear facilities, Paul announced that he had had enough of “fear-mongering” for the sake of the “military-industrial complex.” Bachmann, who once advocated nuking Iran, kept her eyes trained on Paul as her heckler repeated, “Tell her! Tell Michele! Tell her!”

A few more choice quotes from Think Progress:

We should never go to war if they’re telling us a lie about what’s happening. … We took the position, over my strong objection, we took the position that we had to have regime change in Iraq.

What they’re getting ready to do is put very, very strong sanctions on Iran. … But sanctions, and blockades, and prevention like this is an act of war.

I’m not sure what “lie” it is we’re being told about Iran, but then this is a guy so eager to see American “lies” at work vis-a-vis enemy powers that he’s been known to accuse the feds preemptively of telling them. Anyway, the point to take away about his Iran shtick is that it’s not an argument about strategy, i.e. “They’re a threat but non-intervention is the best way to stop them.” It’s an argument about facts, i.e. “There is no threat,” which it has to be because once he admits that Iran is dangerous his isolationist “solution” becomes impossible to sell. In that sense he reminds me of opponents of waterboarding, forced to insist that coercive interrogation never ever works because once they admit that it does, their absolutist opposition is politically dead on arrival. Conservatives complain frequently about Paul’s penchant for blaming America — and here, too, in the blockquote above, he’s already laying the groundwork to say “we started it” if and when Iran tries something — but his foreign policy, such as it is, leaves him with no other choice. The only way isolationism works is if literally any form of intervention against an enemy is morally wrong and just cause for disproportionate reprisal. Which is another way of saying it doesn’t work. Happy viewing.


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Wait, I’m confused. Who is doing the ‘fear mongering?

If you’ve heard Ahdmdinnerjacket speak…anyone in the west should get fear out of what he has said.
I believe the nutjob when he talks of destroying Israel and the evil west.

bridgetown on September 28, 2009 at 8:22 AM

isolationism: a policy of nonparticipation in international economic and political relations

but Ron Paul is a free trader :/

Libertarian Joseph on September 28, 2009 at 8:40 AM

and, um, to jp: Murray Rothbard was an anarchist, not a bircher. Birchers are crazy pro-USA, pro-border, anti-war statists. How are they one of the same? lol

Libertarian Joseph on September 28, 2009 at 8:43 AM

I’m not Ron Paul. I think the invasions were good, but why replace one state with another? We should’ve left both countries with government, to see true voluntary social interaction take place, and from there a true free society would sprout!

Libertarian Joseph on September 28, 2009 at 8:48 AM

without government* I mean :p

Libertarian Joseph on September 28, 2009 at 8:48 AM

It’s my theory that a free people has to be left alone so that a defense industry can come into fruition. So that would mean the role of the US should’ve been to prevent outside sources from interfering AND from an internal state. I think the people would be doing alot better by now under these conditions. But that’s my opinion because I am pro-free market and am a voluntaryist :) then you might see private courts like they had in ancient ireland and iceland

Libertarian Joseph on September 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Libertarian Joseph on September 28, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Um, I think that’s what you call a power vacuum. No way that would have worked. Unless you would have liked to see many, many more deaths.

bridgetown on September 28, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Fail.

Track-A-'Crat on September 28, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Paul has close associations going way back to the Birchers, much of it is still addressed at Lew Rockwell.com

Murray Rothbard(not Von Mises) is the true economic idol they worship. Which is sad because Von Mises/Hayek and Rothbard did not agree on many things and these fools are getting away with re-writing that.

Fact is Hayek and Von Mises and Milton Friedman were the leaders of 20th century libertarian economic thought….Rothbard and his Anti-State clique were not.

jp on September 28, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Are the Indians still at war with us? Do they still exist?

No, yes, and this is irrelevant to the palis and Islamists.

By the way, a considerable number of “palis” are Catholic or Orthodox. In fact, if you look up ‘Imwas, one of the buildings leveled by the Israelis for what became Canada Park was a Catholic Church.

unclesmrgol on September 28, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Imprecise and irrelevant to securing peace and/or security today. You seem to be arguing on the side that wants to see Israel disappear. That isn’t very peaceful of you.

ray on September 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM

ray on September 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM

See, told you no Ronbot would respond to my post.

When presented with unspinnable evidence, they simply ignore it. That’s why it’s useless, although sometimes entertaining, to argue with members of the cult of Ron.

Rebar on September 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Rebar on September 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

You called it. : )

ray on September 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 6:23 AM

I’ll assume since you don’t argue the point that there haven’t been any Swiss, Japanese, or Swedes killed as a result of Islamic terror actions, you’re conceding that there haven’t been. Once again, the list of terrorist killings is long, so I might have missed them. But apparently you couldn’t find them either.

So, to review:

BODY COUNTS

Sweden – 0

Japan – 0

Switzerland – 0

Spain – approx 200

Australia -approx 250

Britain – approx 80

USA – Approx 3500

See a pattern?

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Your “body count” is in extremely poor taste and proves exactly nothing.

Jenfidel on September 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM

and, um, to jp: Murray Rothbard was an anarchist, not a bircher. Birchers are crazy pro-USA, pro-border, anti-war statists. How are they one of the same? lol

Some of them are statists although I would describe birchers as much more anti-government than the average neoconservative.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Actually Ron Paul gave the keynote address to the JBS last year.

He’s a member of their organization. They are fairly anti-government.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM

BTW, the numbers in your “body counts” stand for PEOPLE.
They have family and friends that miss them.

The only “pattern” I see is that there is something seriously human and empathetic missing from your personality and the rest of Ron Paul’s sheep.

Jenfidel on September 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Some of them are statists although I would describe birchers as much more anti-government than the average neoconservative.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Admit it, you have absolutely no idea what a “neoconservative” is.

Jenfidel on September 28, 2009 at 12:10 PM

AP, thank you for giving the Paulbots this thread. It’s been keeping them off the others. Jenfidel, God bless ‘ya.

kingsjester on September 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM

God bless you, too, k.j.!

Jenfidel on September 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM

See a pattern?

Yes, you are a serial liar.

For those who haven’t been around, here is the exact quote JohnGalt made that he is now trying to run away from:

Odd how these jihadists hate freedom and wealth so much, yet they completely ignore the Swiss, Japanese, Scandanavians, and most other countries who don’t follow the US lead on invading ME countries.

But I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

/sarc (as if I needed the tag)

JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM

(bolding mine)

I posted news stories proving islamists were alive and well and plotting in Japan, Switzerland, and Sweden. So these countries aren’t being “completely ignored”, they have just escaped the terror other places have suffered. (BTW, what country did Indonesia and India occupy in order to justify those bombings?)

Instead of admitting his error, he continues to move the goalposts and change the subject.

What a sad, sad person he must be.

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Instead of admitting his error, he continues to move the goalposts and change the subject.

What a sad, sad person he must be.

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Not to mention the fact that he talks about the murdered victims of Islamist jihadi killers as mere “collateral damage” for what he and Ron Paul deem poor judgement in U.S. foreign policy decisions.

Jenfidel on September 28, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Not to mention the fact that he talks about the murdered victims of Islamist jihadi killers as mere “collateral damage” for what he and Ron Paul deem poor judgement in U.S. foreign policy decisions.

Not suprising since he considers us to be at fault.

Be thankful he doesn’t call us all “baby killers”.

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Nice tactical nuke. Now he won’t need a microwave to heat up his dollar TV dinner.

ray on September 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I noticed that and your brilliant takedown of him. I’m also guessing there’s more than a little cognitive dissonance in there (Kind of like excusing Ron Paul being OK with pork when it’s HIS votes being purchased….), compensated by a rather condescending tone.

JohnTant on September 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Nice tactical nuke. Now he won’t need a microwave to heat up his dollar TV dinner.

He’s a fundamentally dishonest poster. He even changed the wording of one of my posts to argue against it. I wrote:

How do you keep THIS COUNTRY safe for democracy by ignoring what’s going on in the rest of the world?

Was Reagan’s interventionism good or bad for our democracy?

Tomblvd on September 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM

His response was:

Funny, I missed the part where Reagan invaded countries to make them safe for democracy.

Can you provide a link?

JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM

(bolding added)

He even quoted my post in his, before changing it.

Bizarre.

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM

The Paulhroids get away too often with defining the rest of us as those who constantly want “building nations”, starting wars, occupying foreign lands etc.

If we conservatives lived up to the stereotypes of Paulhroids, then we would be invading, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, China, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Peru and more.

The real kookness for all to see as an example is this…Ron Paul proudly stated that the US can be defended by just two Submarines, and the Paulhroids goose step behind this statement wholeheartedly.

Bleed_thelizard on September 28, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I posted news stories proving islamists were alive and well and plotting in Japan, Switzerland, and Sweden.

Ah, yes, “news stories”. I finally got the time to look into them properly.

The Japanese story notes that a “member of an Islamist extremist group” entered Japan to establish a foothold. And the Japanese took this terror threat so seriously that they charged him with… what? Conspiracy? Terrorist activity? murder?

No. They arrested him on immigration law violation. now, if this is a metric of terrorist activity, then we have 10 million little terrorists running around, don’t we?

I wondered why the Japanese didn’t take this grave threat seriously enough to charge him with terror-realted charges, so I looked up the group he is affiliated with, the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan. Let’s see what the Asia Times had to say about them.

The SSP was founded in the city of Jhang in Pakistan’s Punjab province in September 1985 with an avowed anti-Shi’ite agenda. It is anti-Shi’ite in its ideology, orientation and activities and maintains that Shi’ites are not Muslim.

and;

The SSP has a bloody record of anti-Shi’ite terrorism and has carried out some of the worst massacres of Shi’ites in Pakistan. It has assassinated Shi’ite leaders and clerics and gunned down scores of worshippers in mosques and at rallies. Shi’ite doctors and lawyers have also been killed by the SSP. It has assassinated several Iranians, including diplomats.

Well, I can see why Japan should be taking these guys so seriously, what with the teeming masses of Shiite Muslims making their way through the Ginza each day. /sarc

Immigration violation… the new terrorism.

________________________________________

Now, as to the Swedish “news story”. I can’t find much about this, as I don’t read Swedish. I did note that one of the men charged in the story denied he was Muslim, converted or otherwise.

I also noted that the only actual terror attack mentioned in the story was an attack on a polling station for the Iraqi elections. IOW, an attack that wouldn’t have occurred except for American intervention in the ME!!

Surprise, surprise.

But what I can’t find about this alleged “terror plot” was any mention of a conviction in the case. Lots of talk of an arrest, and yet three years later, not even mention of a trial in the English language press. As i said, i can’t read Swedish, so maybe there is something there.

Or, more likely, the results mirrored that of the Swiss “terror plot” you mentioned.

________________________________________

Ah yes, the plot to blow up an El Al airliner out of Geneva.

now this is terrorism I can get my arms around. Not immigration violations. Not loose talk about taking down a cult leader. This is bodies in the street. This is Blood on the Tracks (actually, that’s a Bob dylan album, but you get the idea). This is the REAL THING!!

Except it wasn’t.

According to that well-known anti-Semitic, pro-terror rag The Jerusalem Post:

The Swiss Criminal Court has rejected charges against an Algerian man accused of plotting to shoot down an Israeli passenger flight.

The court’s verdict, reached April 2 but only released Friday, said the existence of the plot could not be supported

WHATWHATWHAT?!?! The plot never existed? But… but… but the swiss had an agent who broke this plot up.

Turns out, like so many scaremongerers do, the Swiss were using an undercover agent to discover this “terror plot”. What happened to this agent? Let’s see what another Islamist collaborator rag, Ynet has to say about him:

Claude Covassi, the Swiss agent who uncovered a plot to shoot down an El Al plane in Geneva international airport, is staying these days in Cairo with American friends.

Covassi, 35, admitted that he is weary after details of the plot have been published in Switzerland and Israel. Covassi’s fear stems not from Muslims’ revenge, but rather from his own country’s intelligence services that “may cause me trouble,” as he said.

“I ran away from Switzerland because they searched my apartment and attacked me on the street. I’m not hiding, but the Swiss intelligence has good connections with other Western intelligence services. If they want to find me, it’s really not a problem for them,”

So, let’s see what we have here. An undercover agent goads Swiss authorities into arresting a bunch of men on terrorism charges, then splits the country because intelligence services are hounding him, then a year later, all terror charges are dropped against all those arrested, save for one who is held on theft charges, and the court admits that there is no evidence of any plot against an El Al airliner.

Imagine that. IT WAS ALL A HOAX!!

You forgot to mention that little fact, didn’t you?

And you used this hoax in order to bolster your argument that the Swiss were victims of Islamic terrorism.

Next thing we’re going to hear to hear is Islamists burned down the Swiss version of the Reichstag.

You know, there is a word for people who use hoaxes to try to prove their point. They are called demagogues, and at the core of every demagogue is a basic dishonesty.

You’re in good company with the neo-con liars and their acolytes who drove us into this misguided war.

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Fortunately, Ron Paul’s understanding of monetary policy and his assesment of the Fed’s culpability in the majority of our nation’s fiscal problems allows me to look past this ignorance and support him. (not for President, but for his legislation like the audit the Fed bill and his organization, Campaign for Liberty)

alteredbeat on September 28, 2009 at 2:48 PM

In other news…Al Capone really wasn’t a bootlegging murdering gangster. Just a tax cheat.

Tomblvd remains untouched.

JohnTant on September 28, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Ah, typical Paultard, you never even bothered to read the articles. Your responses are just rote goalpost moving.

And now you try your damnedest to discredit the stories.

Did you REALLY think those are the only examples? Is your world so insular that you really believe what you spout?

I’ve got more:

Krekar questioned by Swiss authorities
http://www.norwaypost.no/content/view/22501/1/
(this is a double-dip as it involves not just the Scandinavians, but also the Swiss.

Really. How many articles do you want me to post to show to everyone (not you, you’re hopeless) that your statement:

Odd how these jihadists hate freedom and wealth so much, yet they completely ignore the Swiss, Japanese, Scandanavians, and most other countries who don’t follow the US lead on invading ME countries.

is a lie?

Do you really want to stick to that statement?

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 2:54 PM

From the article quoted:

Former Iraqi separatist leader leader Mullah Krekar who has been declared unwanted in Norway, has this week been questioned by the Swiss prosecution authority, in connection with a case of possible financing of terrorism from Switzerland

Not plotting to commit terror acts in Switzerland, or Norway for that matter. Financing.

That’s going to lead to a big Swiss/Norwegian body count, isn’t it?

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM

And now you try your damnedest to discredit the stories.

And I don’t need to discredit the Swiss story.

The Swiss courts did that for me.

But you knew that, didn’t you?

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 3:03 PM

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM

One Gigantic Logical Fallacy

but never the less, 100′s of countries around the world have experienced Jihad Attacks, many of which have never had troops in the Middle East.

see the tally at: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

just recently:

2009.09.27 (Yala, Thailand) – A man visiting his brother’s grave is murdered by Muslim bombers.
2009.09.27 (Herat, Afghanistan) – Four civilians are blown to bits by a motorcycle suicide bomber.
2009.09.27 (Ramadi, Iraq) – A Shahid suicide bomber blasts four Iraqis to death outside a police station.
2009.09.26 (Narathiwat, Thailand) – A man and his wife are brutally gunned down by Islamic radicals.
2009.09.26 (Mosul, Iraq) – An off-duty policeman is shot to death by Sunni terrorists.
2009.09.26 (Peshawar, Pakistan) – Eleven people outside a bank are murdered by a Jihad car bomb.

you can find attaks in Japan and Swiss on there for example, small scale Jihad but still Jihad.

Bali for example, was not small scale as one example.

by the way, in addition to committing logical fallacies. YOU ARE A FOOL

jp on September 28, 2009 at 3:04 PM

And just where were those terror attacks Krekar was financing from Switzerland taking place, eh?

Iraq, maybe? Maybe against the American occupation?

Imagine that.

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

It’s all about Iraq, isn’t it?

Yep, it’s all about Iraq and…

India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and…

…and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously:

“O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty”
Qur’an, Sura 9:123

jp on September 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Bali for example, was not small scale as one example.

jp on September 28, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Bali, where Australians were the primary target.

After Australia committed to send troops for the invasion of iraq.

Imagine that.

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Not plotting to commit terror acts in Switzerland, or Norway for that matter. Financing.

That’s going to lead to a big Swiss/Norwegian body count, isn’t it?

My God you are that stupid!

You words are “COMPLETELY IGNORE

I’ll post that again: “COMPLETELY IGNORE

How does “COMPLETELY IGNORE” equal “murder”?

Here’s more completely ignoring:

“Jihadism” is biggest threat to Swiss security
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/front/Jihadism_is_biggest_threat_to_Swiss_security.html?siteSect=105&sid=9295978

But remember everybody, islamists are COMPLETELY IGNORING the Swiss!

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM

“Jihadism” is biggest threat to Swiss security

And yet not one attack.

Except of course for that El Al airliner.

*snicker*

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM

And yet not one attack.

So now attack = “completely ignore”

PEOPLE! GALT WANTS BLOOD, NOW GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!

I hope everyone notices that in Galt’s world, everyone the islamists go after was asking for it.

You make a great apologist for terrorists. You should be proud.

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Oh, forgot to add…

*vomit*

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM

So now attack = “completely ignore”

Sequential logic wasn’t your strong suit, was it.

It’s not “attack= completely ignore”.

It’s ‘no attack = completely ignore”.

Or rather, “not attack is roughly equal to completely ignore” (sorry, I don’t know how to get the mathematical notation on the keyboard for that).

Going to Geneva to raide financing for terrorism in Iraq is not attacking Switzerland.

Going to Tokyo to recruit fanatics for use in Pakistan is not attacking Japan.

Plotting to bomb an El Al airliner is… well, that never happened so….

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 3:28 PM

From the last article you didn’t read:

Last year, four alleged Islamists in Switzerland were either convicted or deported on charges of supporting a terrorist criminal organisation, making public calls to violence or violating laws on racism.

But remember people, “Odd how these jihadists hate freedom and wealth so much, yet they completely ignore the Swiss, Japanese, Scandanavians, and most other countries who don’t follow the US lead on invading ME countries.”

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Bali, where Australians were the primary target.

After Australia committed to send troops for the invasion of iraq.

Imagine that.

JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM

That would be kind of tough to imagine because the Bali bombing was in OCTOBER OF 2002 and we didn’t invade Iraq until MARCH OF 2003!

Ironically, the Bali bombing came the day after the U.S. House passed the motion allowing the President to invade Iraq, yet this would have been too soon for Australia to have committed troops.

Imagine that!
JohnGall is P3WND…again!

Better get ready for that aircraft carrier to do another hard right donut…

Jenfidel on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

The thread that won’t die…

catmman on September 28, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Bush was a bigger threat than Bin Laden.

I don’t know what all this fear mongering is about. Bush is gone now so we can lower the terror alert level.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Those who represent Ron Paul as a “Messiah” are every bit as ijsane as those who represent Obama as being a “Messiah”.

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Fortunately, Ron Paul’s understanding of monetary policy and his assesment of the Fed’s culpability in the majority of our nation’s fiscal problems allows me to look past this ignorance and support him. (not for President, but for his legislation like the audit the Fed bill and his organization, Campaign for Liberty)

alteredbeat on September 28, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Unfortunately, Ron Paul’s lunatic support for 911 Conspiracy idiocy has made any chance of having the Fed audited impossible. Paul actually has a good idea, for once, and there is no credibility because Ron Paul is a fraud. This is what happens when someone supports insanity, writes huge earmarks into bills and has ZERO working knowledge of History, their credibility is nil.

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 6:29 PM

nelsonknows,

Notice it’s just his opponents who believe that stuff because they want it to be true. Paul has never said 9/11 was an inside job or any such thing.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 6:33 PM

nelsonknows,

Notice it’s just his opponents who believe that stuff because they want it to be true. Paul has never said 9/11 was an inside job or any such thing.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 6:33 PM

YOU ARE A LIAR, I posted 3 VIDEOS of Ron Paul supporting 911 Conspiracy bullshit.
You are just like an Obama supporter, there is NO difference, when you are willing to LIE to support YOUR “Messiah”, just like those who lie to support their “Obama Messiah”.

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 6:41 PM

nelsonknows,

Ya I saw your video, and Ron Paul did not say that 9/11 was an inside job in it. It looked like he didn’t even know what they were talking about to me.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Michelle Bachmann need to RUN from Ron Paul before the stank of insanity rubs off on her.

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM

nelsonknows,

Ya I saw your video, and Ron Paul did not say that 9/11 was an inside job in it. It looked like he didn’t even know what they were talking about to me.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM

RIGHT, and Van Jones didn’t know what he was signing when he signed the petition to accuse G.W. Bush of plotting 911. Keep swilling the koolaid.

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 6:49 PM

nelsonknows,

Let’s see the evidence of Ron Paul claiming that 9/11 was an inside job.

What a joke.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Bali, where Australians were the primary target.
After Australia committed to send troops for the invasion of iraq.
Imagine that.
JohnGalt23 on September 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Bali bombing – 12 Oct 2002
Iraq invasion – 20 March 2003
Imagine that.

disillusioned on September 28, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM

While I appreciate the non-rude comments posted on this thread from Paul supporters as yourself, this logic is going around in circles. Ron is a politician first and foremost, which he plays the part well. Although many have posted links to contradict statements, in the end it doesn’t matter for Paul supporters. Paul may not come out and say that 9 11 was an inside job, but he’ll say there should be an investigation on it. Paul may not vote for pork spending, but he surely puts as much into a bill as he can that he knows will pass. An analogy for this is a child sneaking in some icecream to a parents shopping cart at the grocery store, knowing full well that at the counter when paying they will have no accountability.

disillusioned on September 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM

That would be kind of tough to imagine because the Bali bombing was in OCTOBER OF 2002 and we didn’t invade Iraq until MARCH OF 2003!

Ironically, the Bali bombing came the day after the U.S. House passed the motion allowing the President to invade Iraq, yet this would have been too soon for Australia to have committed troops.

Imagine that!
JohnGall is P3WND…again!

Better get ready for that aircraft carrier to do another hard right donut…

Jenfidel on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Wow, not a very good couple of days for JohnGalt23.

Better put some ice on that, sparky.

Tomblvd on September 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

nelsonknows,

Let’s see the evidence of Ron Paul claiming that 9/11 was an inside job.

What a joke.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM

You claimed to have already watched the VIDEOS that I posted the links to.

nelsonknows,

Ya I saw your video, and Ron Paul did not say that 9/11 was an inside job in it. It looked like he didn’t even know what they were talking about to me.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Apparently you haven’t.

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Imprecise and irrelevant to securing peace and/or security today. You seem to be arguing on the side that wants to see Israel disappear. That isn’t very peaceful of you.

ray on September 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Not imprecise, not irrelevant, and I support Israel’s right to exist and to defend its citizens. I’m also a guy who believes in separating the secular from the religious with respect to rights, and have a really big grudge against eminent domain.

And you’re right, none of that is very peaceful of me, is it?

unclesmrgol on September 28, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Let’s see the evidence of Ron Paul claiming that 9/11 was an inside job.

What a joke.

Spathi on September 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Hmmm.

Ron hasn’t learned that what you allow people to write under your byline comes back to haunt you.

unclesmrgol on September 28, 2009 at 9:30 PM

After hearing the vitriol thrown at Ron Paul supporters, it’s obvious to me that the money we allocate to the DoD is well-spent even if they can’t account for it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

Yes. You read that right. 2.3 trillion dollars unaccounted for.

Pitchforker on September 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM

When asked; “Why don’t you come out about the truth about 911″, Ron Paul responded; “Because I can’t handle the controversy….because I have too many things on my plate.”
I thought Ron Paul supported the TRUTH about 911 which were reported in the 911 Commission and NIST reports. BUSTED!
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/18/finally-ron-paul-kinda-sorta-comes-out-as-a-truther/

Who busted Ron Paul? Paul’s old buddy, Alex Jones, this is an infowars video by the way.

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Bush is FAR more damage that Bin Laden bother in terms of overall deaths, injuries, spending on occupations that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Bush was definitely an enemy of conservatives.

Bush got caught with hands in the cookie jar when the NAU plans leaked along with the Amero. He nearly destroyed conservatism for an entire generation, while ushering forth a fascist into the White House. Do you really think Obama would be able to bailout banks and spend recklessly if his predecessor didn’t act like the second coming of LBJ?

Pitchforker on September 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Yes. You read that right. 2.3 trillion dollars unaccounted for.

Pitchforker on September 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM

You mean the SAME $2.3 TRILLION found missing during the Clinton Administration.

nelsonknows on September 28, 2009 at 9:50 PM

You mean the SAME $2.3 TRILLION found missing during the Clinton Administration

Yes, the Clintons were involved in shady deals but it wasn’t like the Bushes have a clean slate either. Let’s not play the left/right paradigm game. The Pentagon cannot be trusted just like the Congress cannot be trusted. Mainstream republicans foolishly think they can write the defense department a blank check & everything will operate on the level. We must be vigilant with every department and make sure they are operating within the rules.

Pitchforker on September 28, 2009 at 9:55 PM

He nearly destroyed conservatism for an entire generation, while ushering forth a fascist into the White House
Pitchforker on September 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM

You may want to argue with Spathi about that one.

disillusioned on September 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM

You may want to argue with Spathi about that one.

Obama is much more of fascist than a socialist. He believes in the merging of private enterprise with the state. He’s a lackey of financial capital and the Fed. Goldman Sachs was his #1 contributor but the liberal media would never dare utter that on-air.

Pitchforker on September 28, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Pitchforker on September 28, 2009 at 10:00 PM

As mentioned above, you may want to take this issue up with Spathi as a fellow Paul supporter. The commenter has been quite genuine in enamoring for Obama while supporting Paul. Friendly too boot.

disillusioned on September 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM

After hearing the vitriol thrown at Ron Paul supporters, it’s obvious to me that the money we allocate to the DoD is well-spent even if they can’t account for it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

Yes. You read that right. 2.3 trillion dollars unaccounted for.

Pitchforker on September 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Are you saying that Ron took all that money? Wow, I wondered how he got re-elected…

unclesmrgol on September 29, 2009 at 2:11 AM

“Because I can’t handle the controversy….because I have too many things on my plate.”

I don’t buy that. Pat Buchanan has all sorts of semi-conspiracy stuff on his website that surround 9/11 that has nothing to do with timed explosions, inside jobs, etc.

Have you seen the case of Sibel Edmonds on the front of the American Conservative this week? John Ashcroft used the State secrets clause against her twice. She was alleging that foreign intelligence agencies had infiltrated the FBI languages centers. So maybe he was referring to these things. Maybe that’s true who knows. So you’re jumping to major conclusions based on one off the cuff comment Paul made to satisfy some questioner. He looked like he didn’t even know what she was talking about anyway.

http://buchanan.org/blog/video-sibel-edmonds-documentary-kill-the-messenger-2-2281

Spathi on September 29, 2009 at 2:39 AM

As mentioned above, you may want to take this issue up with Spathi as a fellow Paul supporter. The commenter has been quite genuine in enamoring for Obama while supporting Paul. Friendly too boot.

Well if your state is really red or really blue, then you don’t have to worry about so you can just vote third party.

Spathi on September 29, 2009 at 2:41 AM

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