Video: “Growing Pains” star ready to save America from rational thought
posted at 9:13 pm on September 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
It’s times like these that I wish Tony Danza were an atheist so that we could have a proper theological debate between stars of bad 80s sitcoms. After this week’s post about America’s trend towards non-religion, I figured I owed you guys some end-of-the-week comment fun at the expense of atheists, Darwinists, and all the other racist/sexist/crypto-Nazis in the Kirk Cameron cosmology. Dig in.
Brought to you by the same two guys who think bananas not only appeared on Earth in their current form, but that they are, in fact, a fruit-formed “atheists’ nightmare.” Exit question: Kids can no longer “pray in public”? What?
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This guy needs to start tearing the headcrab off his head and start using his own brain.
Chaz706 on September 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Die.
Darth Executor on September 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM
seriously?
there isn’t much rational about evolution.
It’s a theory and not a fact.
I applaud Kirk.
therightscoop on September 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM
oh, boy. this thread should be fun.
homesickamerican on September 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM
ahh the quest for souls…
i wonder though, will true hardcore social conservatives feel they’ve achieved victory when they can again do things like pray in public schools and display the 10 commandments…or will it be when they see more christian children staying christian?
Cameron seems to suggest thats the goal…that its about our souls, not our liberty. If so, expect opposition.
ernesto on September 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Sky gazers vs Lizard Chasers.
Time to rumble.
Bishop on September 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM
I would say God help us, but that doesn’t seem to fit this thread.
V15J on September 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM
We actually have a Bible club at the middle school I teach at. Bravo Kurt.
I have an evolutionary rock that I keep on my desk. Unlike the rocks we evolved from, it hasn’t changed in all these years. In a universe that is contingent upon that which came before (the tree is contingent upon the acorn) it’s idiotic that some think we just appeared out of nothing.
Mojave Mark on September 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM
I’m staying out of it. I’m an ex-atheist, current intelligent design kind of gal myself. I’m going to leave it all alone and let the rest of you fight over it.
mizflame98 on September 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Why so serious, Allah?
If he is wrong, then you have nothing to worry about, and enjoy the popcorn…
… but if he is right?
Seven Percent Solution on September 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM
I prefer to keep my memories of Kirk as a junior-high girl’s pin-up intact, so I won’t watch the video, but as for children “praying in public,” yes, in many cases the prohibition against teachers leading prayers, etc., has morphed into students being forbidden to lead their own prayers, forbidden to mention God in a graduation speech, etc. etc. etc.
Anwyn on September 25, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Kurt = Kirk
Mojave Mark on September 25, 2009 at 9:21 PM
I love that people get so upset for people voicing their views about intelligant design. It’s like they are scared that people will actually believe is or something…
deidre on September 25, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Ol’ Kirk looked a little hot and bothered during that banana clip…
IU_Conservative on September 25, 2009 at 9:21 PM
First, I’m the Conservative tea party Dave Matthews fan confronted with the racist comment, now I’m the atheist Growing Pains fan confronted with this. I swear to the god I don’t believe in if it’s proved that the Giants-Pats Super Bowl was rigged, I’m leaving the country!
elcapt on September 25, 2009 at 9:22 PM
I’m going to be drinking beer in just a few minutes so I might or I might not be into this discussion. We’ll see.
I will say that I study apologetics and this “brand” is not, eh hem, my favorite. I’m an old-earther and prefer presuppositional approach to cosmological/philosophical/theological arguments.
Kirk, *sigh* nevermind….
Diane on September 25, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Looks like somebody’s reached critical mass.
MadisonConservative on September 25, 2009 at 9:23 PM
LOL! Allah! I posted this in the other thread but it bears a repost.
I’ve always thought the joke is on atheists. Even if they’re right, they’re cheating themselves out of a peace of mind that they may see loved ones again and that they are not alone, a comfort in believing that when life gets tough there is a reason for it.
Score one for believers. ;)
indy8 on September 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Why hate on someone for doing something they believe in. Heck, they will be getting a free book written by Darwin!!!
deidre on September 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Crap on Cameron all you want. I give the guy credit for at least being sincere in his beliefs. When you see all of these Hollywood douche bags pretending to be brave by bashing the religious, it’s kind of cool to see a guy who takes a much braver stance.
Why are atheists so bothered by guys like Cameron? Oh, yeah, I know. It’s the Gore argument. “The science is settled.”
Sugar Land on September 25, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Dig in?
I think you secured that award with this post Allahpundit…
Get up, brush your teeth, and do some research. And turn off that TIVO!
Like I log onto Hot Air to seek out Allahpundit’s hatred of all things religious posts disguised as… well, not even disguised… it’s pathetic!
Danzo on September 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM
mike_NC9 on September 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Everybody’s beliefs are stupid but mine, so conform to my way of thinking or else.
Hellrider on September 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM
I’m a Christian and I’m bothered by guys like Cameron because he makes us all look like idiots. I’m a lot more bothered by Allah pimping this stupidity though.
Darth Executor on September 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM
I don’t blame him. For a minute, it sounded like Cameron was trying to say that the problem is christian children becoming unchristian…
that these socially conservative concerns are not about the liberty to openly profess faith, but rather about our souls. if you’re going to try to make a policy argument that rests on proselytizing, you’re going to run into opposition.
they should stick with the real liberty arguments, not soul crusading in the name of jesus with liberty infused rhetoric.
ernesto on September 25, 2009 at 9:28 PM
How did life begin?
ramthulon on September 25, 2009 at 9:28 PM
How is this comment fun at the expense of atheists? If anything, you have legitimate reasons to rip on Kirk and Christians.
Esthier on September 25, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Terrific.
Allahpundit on September 25, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Correction –
A theory is an observation that is established via empirical analysis. A hypothesis is a supposition that can be tested by means of empirical analysis, but has not yet met the standard of an established theory. Thus, it is debatable as to whether evolution can even meet the standard of a hypothesis, let alone that of an established theory. The empirical analysis of a trans-species mutation is Darwin’s Achilles’ heel.
Allahpundit – you may want to rethink your supposition about Mr. Cameron’s attempt to “save us from rational thought.”
splatshot on September 25, 2009 at 9:29 PM
That boy had some seriously hot girlfriends.
exception on September 25, 2009 at 9:29 PM
There was nothing, then there was everything.
The End.
Bishop on September 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Ah, but you see, that would be “prejudice” against someone’s “essential beliefs.”
Whereas blaming Darwin and atheists for Nazism is just “debate.”
Allahpundit on September 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM
So it’s “rational” now to believe that everything in the Universe was created from nothing with absolutely no one pulling the trigger to make it happen?
Sounds like Atheists believe in “faith” too!
LOL
HondaV65 on September 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Why not let the free market place of ideas work? Mocking and bemoaning make poor arguments. Atheists seldom resist the temptation to mock — makes ‘em look weak. Read the book Allah and come back with some rational thought.
rebuzz on September 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM
As an afterthought, it’s always fun to see Einstein pimped as an ambassador of … um … whatever very specific view of life Cameron’s endorsing. Refreshing.
elcapt on September 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Don’t see how that justifies wishing him dead.
Esthier on September 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Of course you’re only proving my point here.
Esthier on September 25, 2009 at 9:32 PM
AP – you may want to give it a rest. You owe your job to people like Kirk who stand up for what it right.
warriorlawyer on September 25, 2009 at 9:32 PM
I made it 5 seconds in before cringing.
jhffmn on September 25, 2009 at 9:33 PM
I’ve heard atheists equate Christians to terrorists all the time. Cameron is not the only one using hyperbole.
terryannonline on September 25, 2009 at 9:33 PM
How did life begin?
ramthulon on September 25, 2009 at 9:28 PM
ramthulon: One big Kabluey!!
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 9:34 PM
He’s aged nicely.
SouthernGent on September 25, 2009 at 9:34 PM
A very amusing Romanian girl filmed a rebuttal, that has gone viral and actually has more than triple or quadruple the number of hits of the original video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmHN3JtyUXg
KurrrrrrrrK, you s-s-s-s-s-s-s-snake.
Marcus on September 25, 2009 at 9:34 PM
That’s where common sense comes into play. Empirical, established knowledge of genetics couple with a growing fossil record and common sense is pretty much all we need. An inability to conclusively prove something that plays out over thousands of years doesn’t mean that it isn’t true… that’s a non sequitur that gets tiresome.
DaveS on September 25, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Allah your slow slide toward becoming Charles Johnson grows more troubling by the day… We know you’re an atheist. We also know you have contempt for Christians who express their beliefs.
Can we move on now?
classicaliberal on September 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM
I’m not religious at all. I do think, however, both evolution and creation should be taught to let the kids make up their own mind.
Enoxo on September 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM
On Family Guy, it was described as happening when Gil Gerard went back in time and (don’t want to get banned) into the primordial ooze.
Lanceman on September 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Aren’t you a Hitchens fan? His books are just one ad hominem attack after another against religious people.
terryannonline on September 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM
No, but I’m not aware of any scientists who claim the universe was created from “nothing.” What they claim is that they don’t understand yet how it was created. Which is a lot more sober and responsible than claiming that because (a) *something* happened to create the universe, then (b) everything in the Bible is true.
Allahpundit on September 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM
lolz
jaime on September 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM
.
The traditional account of the Inuit people is that the trickster in the form of Raven created the world. When the waters forced the ground up from the deep Raven stabbed it with his beak and fixed it into place. This first land was just big enough for a single house occupied by a single family: a man, his wife and their son, Raven who had fixed the land. The father had a bladder hanging over his bed. After much pleading by Raven the father allowed the boy to play with it. While playing Raven damaged the bladder and light appeared. The father not wanting to have light always shining took the bladder from the boy before he could damage it further. This struggle is the origin of day and night.
.
This is the correct view that is being censored by the Satanic Scientific Establishment. We need to include this in the publication so that our children can have all sides and decide for themselves. Because that is what education is all about. Deciding for yourself. r summin’
ronsfi on September 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Oh, I don’t mind ad hominems. I let people get away with it against me all the time. I only get annoyed when the ad hominems are moronic, like equating Darwinism — a scientific theory — with social Darwinism, a political/moral theory.
Allahpundit on September 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM
We’ve been blamed for 9/11 indirectly as well. I’m sure I’m not the only one who saw the poster of the smoldering Twin Towers with the caption underneath “Imagine: No Religion”.
But again, watching Kirk make an @ss of himself for blaming atheists for Nazis isn’t doing a favor to Christians.
Esthier on September 25, 2009 at 9:38 PM
You’re right, though i was talking more about his hitting critical mass, rather than the content of what he said…which again, was a definitely over the line.
ernesto on September 25, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Kirk Cameron’s poster was on my wall when I was in junior high. I adored him.
TXMomof3 on September 25, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Hitchens believes religion is the root of all evil. Surely, you think that is moronic?
terryannonline on September 25, 2009 at 9:39 PM
I am. Kirk Cameron and Allah can pimp stupidity and I can make fun of them.
The “free market place of ideas” doesn’t work anyway since it assumes people in general are reasonably intelligent rather than easily swayed by poorly thought out but nice sounding emotional arguments.
They don’t make arguments at all, they have different purposes. Coincidentally, Cameron makes no arguments either.
My brain can punch yours into the stratosphere. I need reading recommendations from someone like you like I need dating advice from Allahpundit.
Darth Executor on September 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM
And may not ever be able to, and even that depends on a rigorous definition of “beginning”. The objective is to look back as early as can be seen.
exception on September 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Meh, I prefer to follow scientists who found, and continue to find, Darwinism foolish; men like Gregor Mendel, a contemporary of Charles Darwin, who convincingly argued, through experimentation, that individual characteristics remain constant and do not “evolve” into other creatures or organisms.
Mendel founded a scientific discipline, genetics, and was a committed Christian.
Richard Romano on September 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Didn’t he also work for the big bad “CHURCH?”
MeatHeadinCA on September 25, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Kirk Cameron’s poster was on my wall when I was in junior high. I adored him.
TXMomof3 on September 25, 2009 at 9:39 PM
TXMomof3: Interesting!!:)
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Allahpundit thinks lightning hit a mud puddle and out POPPED life is rational thought???
FAIL!
JihadKiller1s1k on September 25, 2009 at 9:42 PM
LOL, I love how in his “Scientists that think God created the Universe” montage, he has 1 effing scientists that was recent enough to have his picture taken. Hilarious.
Seriously, this guy is a moron and anyone that thinks he is talking the truth is a moron and I feel sorry for your children. No transitional fossils? Really? And EVOLUTION says that something came from NOTHING? WTF is this guy talking about.
thphilli on September 25, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I’d personally put that on par with atheism is the root of all evil/Marxism/fascism/eugenics.
I’ll tell you that the Hitchens type moronic claim is seen a lot less around here.
jhffmn on September 25, 2009 at 9:42 PM
An Atheist writes a post against Kirk Cameron.
/yawn
in WoW-speak: “THIS IS NEW AND EXCITING.” Now just waiting for the Palin/MeggieMac angle…
CatsGodot on September 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Very true. The Big Bang may forever remain a mystery. Except to religious people, of course, who just *know* that their holy book of choice explains it perfectly.
Allahpundit on September 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Jeez, Allah, it’s like you want a war or something. ROTFL
Since we’re in a re-posting mood….
But seriously….like the peace of mind that comes from believing there are no tigers in the jungle–right up until one of ‘em makes you into a crunchy snack. Hey, whatever works for you.
ElectricPhase on September 25, 2009 at 9:26 PM
ElectricPhase on September 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Oh, stop it.
Charles Johnson is the new Hitler. I hereby announce the existence of Kermit’s Law (analog to Godwin’s Law), also known as reductio ad Charlesjohnsonium:
DaveS on September 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Openning up an ancient book and saying, “no, HERE’S how life started” is equally irrational.
ernesto on September 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
You must be bored lately, AP, to want to come out and jabberjaw with the proles…
Lanceman on September 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
@ JihadKiller1s1k on September 25, 2009 at 9:42 PM
So you got home schooled huh? If not, your teachers belong in jail.
thphilli on September 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Me too!
He’s far more intellectual and peaceful than the hundreds of terrorist sympathizers who stood at Capital Hill today wondering when one of their own would destroy it! The Darwinists have been too long accepted in public schools – Cameron makes a persuasive case and I salute his Christianity…
IntheNet on September 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM
What an excellent summary of Modern Synthesis. And here I was thinking it couldn’t be properly addressed in a comment thread.
exception on September 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Hitchens is so cute when he tries to do rational thought.
Did a research project on Mendel and inheritance back in college. The man was brilliant, and by far a better scientist than Darwin.
Harpazo on September 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Humankind is obviously the tears of joy shed by Ra when He was reunited with His children.
Sekhmet on September 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM
So where’s the finish line for his appeal? Is it when christians can openly profess their faith in the public sphere? or when the supposed ‘christian drain’ stops? be careful, one’s about liberty, the other’s a crusade. and we wont have a crusade for jesus bear itself out with policy, not in this country.
ernesto on September 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM
I guess I don’t quite understand that either. Kirk is just a celebrity. They get under my skin often saying incredibly stupid things, but it’s always fleeting, because they have no real power and few take them seriously, especially those who aren’t A-List.
Esthier on September 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM
You’re misrepresenting the position my dear Allah.
All of the “atheist” scientists most certainly believe that all the matter in the universe was created from nothing. By definition – by virtue of the fact that they deny an intelligent creator – they believe – or rather, shall I say – they have FAITH that all this came from nothing.
That they can’t explain it – doesn’t make the belief any less real.
Christians cannot explain the existence of GOD either – yet they believe in him. However – they embrace FAITH as a part of their religion. Atheism claims not to.
I just proved that all Atheists have to have FAITH in the belief in something from nothing – since they have no way to explain creation otherwise.
Essentially – they have FAITH that an event happened – though they can’t explain it.
HondaV65 on September 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Fine. I’m just saying that atheists engage in moronic arguments too. It is not unique in Christians.
terryannonline on September 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Good news everyone! ernesto has just proven that abiogenesis and Darwinism are no longer rational views for atheists to hold.
Harpazo on September 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Is the claim that no species has been observed to evolve into another species? I’m pretty sure that there are plenty of cases. Maybe there’s some creationist or ID literature that disputes each of these examples, but just Google “observed speciation” and there should be plenty of cases to look at.
tneloms on September 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Allah believes he was created by a Magic Firecracker – bang. It’s possible he was.
faraway on September 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
All I can say regarding this thread is GOD/DARWIN/GREAT LIZARD/GREY ALIENS BLESS AMERICA! :)
ThePrez on September 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
You make waaaaay too many assumptions.
ElectricPhase on September 25, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Um, he said that the view that “lightning hit a mud puddle and out POPPED life” was irrational.
tneloms on September 25, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Allah saves his ire for folks like Beck, Palin and Cameron… While we have a president who’s surrounded himself with terrorists, racists, radicals, communists, and socialists his entire life, and now bringing them in to the WH. A man who would be nowhere without the Chicago communist machine. This guy hates everything about America and is actively, and deliberately destroying it.
There is so much else to be covered, and I’m not denying that some has been covered here, but so much is not being covered here.
For example:
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-file-78-smoking-gun-proof-that.html
The frightening Hawaii/Chicago/Obama/Communist connections.
Did anyone see the opening segments on Beck Mon.-Thurs. this week? Some of the most mind blowing stuff I’ve seen yet. All of these Obama/Czar/ACORN/SEIU/Apollo/Weather Underground/Tides/Communist ties are just utterly shocking, and so deep I can’t even begin to summarize.
Please folks, do yourselves a favor and go to FoxNews.com and find the Beck videos of the opening segments this week.
RightWinged on September 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM
And atheist just *know* that their is no afterlife. Atheists can be stubborn too.
terryannonline on September 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM
That is incorrect.
exception on September 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Do you not even believe in the Big Bang? I thought most Intelligent Design believers acknowledge it, but have alternate explanations for the origins of life. Is that not true?
tneloms on September 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Heaven.
Be first in line!
IntheNet on September 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM
+1
If this was Ted Danson pushing an anal vibrator, he’d be on the cover of “People” magazine, and the adoration of millions would be his.
Say what you will about Kirk, but the kid sticks to his principles, and always has. That counts for something in my book.
wccawa on September 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Yes, this was certainly a post meant to be a peace offering to the Christians.
Esthier on September 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM
See also: The Irrational Atheist, by Vox Day. (Also available as a free e-book here)
Harpazo on September 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM
I agree, I also disagree that it is irrational to believe in God.
jhffmn on September 25, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Even more assumptions.
ElectricPhase on September 25, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Sarah Palin – check
Glenn Beck – check
Allah’s an atheist – check
Same crap as yesterday. Same crap as tomorrow.
Ronnie on September 25, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Uhm … not really.
Religious folk openly admit that their beliefs are based on FAITH. You have to have FAITH in order to believe the book is true. I don’t know many priests, rabbis, or preachers who will claim they can prove everything in the Bible. All them will admit that Faith is a central tenet of religion. That is a sober reality.
However, Atheism also relies on FAITH – but will not admit it. As an Atheist – you have to believe that the universe and all it’s matter was created from nothing in some tremendous kerblamy that no one was responsible for that just happened by itself caused by matter that didn’t exist.
That my friend – is FAITH – but Atheists won’t admit to it.
So I submit the folks who are honest about their beliefs are a bit more … “rational”.
HondaV65 on September 25, 2009 at 9:52 PM
But can he speak parceltongue ?
borntoraisehogs on September 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM
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