No surprise: Western intel has known about secret Iranian nuke site for years
posted at 7:05 pm on September 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
So says Newsweek, Fox News, and the LA Times, pegging the intel breakthrough as early as 2006. Why would they need a small, hidden enrichment site when they’ve already got a nice big one that everyone knows about at Natanz? Wild guess here, but maybe because there’s some ultra-secret nuclear-related project they’re working on that they don’t want anyone to know about.
I wonder what it could be.
After Iran’s secret underground uranium-enrichment facility in Natanz was discovered in 2002 — with 8,000 centrifuge machines, a stockpile of 1,400 kilogram of low enriched uranium — US intelligence expected Iran would try again to build another secret facility.
“Not surprisingly, we found one,” a senior administration official told reporters in a background briefing today…
The Qom facility is not yet operational, officials said; it’s at least a few months away from that. They estimate that the facility has roughly 3,000 centrifuge machines — not enough to “make sense for commercial use,” an official said, but the “right size” if one were looking to make a little weapons-grade uranium.
I’m going to commit conservative blasphemy here and credit The One for a hand well played. Newsweek speculates that he came clean about the secret facility this week to get ahead of Iranian spin about it being some innocuous little pilot program, but that’s nonsense. He came clean, quite obviously, to turn up the heat on Russia and China in supporting his demand for new sanctions on Iran. Remember how Medvedev suddenly and mysteriously sounded open to sanctions after meeting with Obama on Wednesday? At the time I thought that might be a payoff for our capitulation on missile defense but it turns out The One broke the news to him about the secret Iranian site that very afternoon. Nicely done.
As shocking as it is to think of him getting tough with anyone, his foreign-policy credibility rested on him being able to come through with the sort of new economic penalties on Iran that he’s been promising forever. Looks like today’s revelation is going to help him do that, which makes it an easy call — in a sense. In another sense, it’s a major escalation of the crisis insofar as it (a) destroys any remaining pretense in useful-idiot circles that Iran’s program might be peaceful or that they’ve been forthcoming, (b) creates a diplomatic standoff over whether UN inspectors will be allowed into the secret site, and (c) leaves Iran with little to lose in going public with the fact that they’ve got the bomb once they’ve got it, which will humiliate the western powers who tried to stop them with sanctions and will immediately force a crisis with Israel. None of that is The One’s fault — this trainwreck has been decades in the making — but I hope he realizes he’s taken a fateful step here. I wonder, too, how many other cards he has up his sleeve that he’s waiting to play at opportune moments. Remember, the CIA has reason to believe there are upwards of a dozen secret nuclear sites, not just one buried in a mountain near Qom. Will he spill the beans about those to give Israel political cover if and when the IAF finally makes a run at Iran?
Here’s video of the nuclear terrorist himself wearing a sh*t-eating grin, insisting that he’s quite sure he doesn’t know what you mean about any secret nuclear sites, and warning the leader of the free world to back off and apologize. The U.S. response, courtesy of Bob Gates: Get bent.










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Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Let the non punitive sanctions begin!
R Square on September 25, 2009 at 7:10 PM
I am sure Zero will apologize soon. Look Dinnerjacket is eating up all this press attention here in the US. Sickning.
Brat4life on September 25, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Again, Obama stated he had new intelligence substantiating his decision to rescind the American treaty missile defense project with Poland and the Czech Republic because Iran was not a threat, and Russia wanted the missiles gone.
So, this is that information.
maverick muse on September 25, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Now just hang on here a minute….I heard Ogabe found out about all of this stuff just in the last couple of days…
BigWyo on September 25, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Where’s Mr. Potato Head ElBaradei in all this?
JammieWearingFool on September 25, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Yeah, and 9-11 was an inside job and the holocaust is a myth…this tiny little terrorist azzhole is a worse liar than Baghdad-Bob was yet lefties continue to eat his BS samich with a smile and approving yummy sound!
Liberty or Death on September 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
The authors of the NIE are guilty of treason.
corona on September 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
(a) you underestimate the power of denial, (b) these would be inspectors who report to Mohammed El Baradei?, (c) they were always going the North Korea route. What negative ramifications have the Norks suffered since they fizzled their way into the nuclear club?
trubble on September 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I would like to see all those intelligence officials who put together that ridiculous 2007 Intelligence Estimate when Bush was president to testify under oath before a Congressional committee on this. But I know it will never happen. Or at least not until 2011.
Wethal on September 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Credit where credit is due. Thank you CIA.
portlandon on September 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Osama bin Laden has released a new tape demanding that “Bury” pull out of the UNJUST WAR IN AFGHANISTAN.
How quickly will Bury fold? There are those campaign contribution funds from Libya and bin Laden to repay.
maverick muse on September 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Credit where credit is due. Thank you CIA.
portlandon on September 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Kudos, CIA and Pres. George W. Bush.
maverick muse on September 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM
He came clean because Sarkozy humiliated him when Obama was running the Security Council meeting yesterday.
MayBee on September 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
There is no 2nd facility. Remember Saddam’s WMDs.
/half-joking
faraway on September 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
He’s the one that told them how to do it…
d1carter on September 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Heres a few sites!
http://www.stratfor.com/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html
http://www.spacewar.com/
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Nope – not ultra-secret at all.
If you were paying attention, you will remember that the new Iraqi head nuclear honcho bragged of new, more advanced centrifuges.
Did you expect that they would be used in laundromats?
corona on September 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Dave742 is just that kind of idiot.
Chuck Schick on September 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM
If the IAF is going to make a move, soon would be good, esp. as Iran just lost its only eyes-in-the-sky to incompetence.
Harpazo on September 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Okay? I get the benefit in not initially disclosing it to Iran, but you would think they would have figured out sooner we knew?
Mr. Joe on September 25, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Obama WOULD have learned a lot if he’d taken the time to conference with the CIA, with his Field Generals, as well as his Joint Chiefs of Staff. Not merely pass the buck to his Def.Sec.Gates to decide while Obama plays for the camera day in and day out all these months.
maverick muse on September 25, 2009 at 7:18 PM
“It is definitively a mistake. We have no secrecy.”
…and that includes no secret gays!
dont taze me bro on September 25, 2009 at 7:19 PM
It could just be an aspirin factory
faraway on September 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM
So,does this mean,Hopey will allow Israel,bunker-buster
bombs,or for that matter, any other US Military hardware!!
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Harpazo,
Omen.
maverick muse on September 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I am not so sure about that. I remember Obama saying that Bush did not let the facts get in the way as he continued to exaggerate the threat from Iran. Apparently he knew during the campaign that Iran had another site…so that he means he was taking advantage of the fact that this information was classified so that he could make points with his base and trash the Republicans. That does not make me feel confident about Obama’s sincere desire to do anything other than threaten and strut and pose. I hope I am wrong.
Terrye on September 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Perhaps with a bit of help from Mossad.
Wethal on September 25, 2009 at 7:22 PM
I would like to believe this is being handled well by our side.
But I am skeptical.
Mr. Joe on September 25, 2009 at 7:22 PM
I really doubt that Russia, and a number of other countries to, would ever agree to any truly effective sanctions against Iran. Russia is just blowing smoke. Maybe that is Obama’s Camel substitute.
MB4 on September 25, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Quite reluctantly, I, too will give Obama some props here for dropping this “bomb” with all the tyrants and Western leaders here on our soil.
I find the timing also interesting when combined with the four terrorist plots also announced in the last couple of days.
The question, however, remains as to what, if anything he and they will now do with Iran. Probably nada.
When I see this man, I see windows.
TXUS on September 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM
I say,bomb first,and then ascertain later if the
target ,er smok’n gapeing hole crater,was,and still
is the former nuke plant!
Oh boy,fall-out,well,its collateral damage,oops!!
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM
We’ll have to wait and see IF AND WHEN any new sanctions take place. AND are we sure we want to take everyone’s word that they’ll comply? Remember Saadam’s “Food for Oil”? How many of our UN buddies were trading under the table?
There is also the problem that now that the 2nd location has been discovered, they’ll move it.
GarandFan on September 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM
So the 2007 NIE was a lie? or was it just totally incompetent? The NIE was used by the left to discredit Bush’s get tough policy against Iran. Doesn’t this prove that Bush was on the right path and knew the truth about Iran? Didn’t the One himself cite the NIE against Bush during the campaign?
redshirt on September 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Sure they just wanted for Bush to leave office before telling.
But when Odumbo took away EUs missile defense, then the IAEA felt it best that all people know.
tarpon on September 25, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Why is president Barack Hussein Obama concerned about American intel when senator Barack Hussein Obama’s distrust of American intel is the very thing that propelled him to the presidency.
Teebone3 on September 25, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Quick, blame it on Obama and Barney Frank.
Afrolib on September 25, 2009 at 7:26 PM
This whole thing is just a cabookey dance.
MB4 on September 25, 2009 at 7:26 PM
And the NSA, the NRO, and the many many spooks and analysts who help them do what they do.
I also will credit Pres. Obama for doing the right thing. Also, thanks to President Bush for his 8 years of great service to this country.
Rightwingguy on September 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Meanwhile,the skies over Iraq airspace is dotted with
specks of jets with Stars on them,heading towards Iran!
(Sarc).
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM
The authors of the NIE are guilty of treason.
corona on September 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
You’re absolutely correct. The NIE came out in 2007.
Maxpower on September 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM
How many deadlines and sanctions are we going to let pass? If Obama knew of secret sites in Iran and saved that information to force Russia and China into sanctioning Iran why did he wait so long?
fourdeucer on September 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Speaking of cabookey dances.
MB4 on September 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM
I dunno, it’s hard to dispute a media bipartisan ‘consensus’ like that. But something doesn’t add up. Not sure what, but there’s something missing here. Doesn’t make sense they’d sit on this info so long just for the heck of it, doing nothing about it, just to save it for Obama to use now. Ain’t buyin’ it.
petefrt on September 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM
I call BS people are giving Obama too much credit. Obama is not going to do jack squat about this.
Have we already forgotten the wretched appeasement filled anti American speech he made at the UN a couple of days ago? Would that not have been a good opportunity to kinda call out the Iranians? Instead he called out the Israelis and it was the Israelis that called out the Iranians.
Obama is either out of his depth on this or hoping the entire issue boils away.
elduende on September 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Best use of a falling object since Dorothy’s house hit the Wicked Witch of the East.
Wethal on September 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Good use of phonics!
It’s kabuki.
But your statement is still correct.
redshirt on September 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM
The democrats did use the 2007 NIE as proof Iran was doing nothing improper and impugning President Bush. So I agree.
Maxpower on September 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM
All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages.
- William Shakespeare
MB4 on September 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM
And I call BS, AP.
Why did he make that fawning, unicorn&rainbow speech at the UN? Why has he been kissing up to Mad Mahmoud and all the terrorist-enablers?
I see no reason to give Osama Obama any credit when on one hand he disses Israel and suggests that we will weaken our defenses and on the other “talks tough” to Iran in the Jimmuh Carter manner.
This was a ploy on his part, to convince Americans that the Chicago Jesus wants “peace” (at any price?) while giving the Iranians lots o’ wiggle room.
If he had done his homework and gave a damn about the USA, he would have revealed Iran’s capability months ago and would have proposed some kind of action. Instead, he rolled over on his back.
MrScribbler on September 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Yeah, Obama’s really getting tough with Iran. Let’s see he’s:
said ‘don’t make nuclear weapons’
threatened more UN sanctions
Aaaaand that’s about it.
hawksruleva on September 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM
MB$:
I think you are probably right about this. I have a bad feeling about it all myself.
I wonder if the Iranians will test their first nuke over Tel Aviv.
Terrye on September 25, 2009 at 7:32 PM
That should have been MB4..maybe that was a Freudian slip. Or maybe an omen, you might be coming into some money MB4.
Terrye on September 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM
All this revelation really does is give Obama something more to talk about. He loves that.
After months more of negotiations, I’m sure Iran will eventually allow monitors in to see an empty warehouse, all the while continuing to engineer a bomb. Russia and China will play along, giggling in anticipation of the “big reveal”.
ROCnPhilly on September 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM
he certainly has, domestic and international, no more will the moral equivalency or peaceful intentions fly. Its deceptive and a threat, something Obama publicly agreed to today.
rob verdi on September 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM
True that. With knowledge that Iran was cheating on its nuclear program, Obama refused to negotiate with Iran and did not turn his back on reformers killed in the streets after their last election.
Maxpower on September 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM
I’ll admit it- I’m confused.
It sounds like the US has known for at least a few months that Iran had a secret facility, so why did 0 wait until today to announce it? I know a bunch of world leaders are in the US, but that does not explain why he would burn several months with no possible sanctions or other international action while Iran beavers away on getting the bomb.
LASue on September 25, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Gates sounds a bit shady , he don’t want to call the NIE report wrong.
the_nile on September 25, 2009 at 7:37 PM
I call BS too. Just doesn’t make sense that this info would be hanging out there since c. 2006 and no one would do anything with it. As if they were just waiting for the Bamster to spring it in a brilliant diplomatic move someday.
petefrt on September 25, 2009 at 7:37 PM
LASue:
I wondered that too. Maybe it had something to do with how they got the information.
Terrye on September 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Those that are in charge of America are puss2222 and America is gonna get #hucked..
huckelberry on September 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM
You know…
… this world is filled with tyrants, despots, and liars running full steam ahead to obtain nuclear weapons.
Good thing we didn’t elect this guy…
… for a moment, I was getting a little worried.
Seven Percent Solution on September 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Well,Iran played this out well,stalling bought them time!!
And now the truth is exposed!!
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
In common English usage, a
CabookeyKabuki dance is an activity or drama carried out in real life in a predictable or stylized fashion, reminiscent of the Kabuki style of Japanese stage play. The term is a fitting one to describe Obama and Medvedev and others who purport to be working to stop the Iranians from getting The Bomb when that they will actually do nothing really effective to stop the Iranians from getting The Bomb is actually known well beforehand.MB4 on September 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
A blind squirrel can find his nuts every once in awhile.
HornetSting on September 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
I wonder if this has anything to do with all the protests over there. I heard that the other day all sorts of people were in the streets chanting Death to Russia, Death to Chavez, Death to China…
I just feel like something is missing here.
Terrye on September 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM
“Afrolib to the drive thru window. Angry lady wants to return the McRib you made her.”
Chuck Schick on September 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Sadly so. It’s a given.
petefrt on September 25, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Jennnifer Rubin calls BS on Obama too…
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/105631
elduende on September 25, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I’m going to commit conservative blasphemy here and credit The One for a hand well played.
A blind squirrel can find his nuts every once in awhile.
HornetSting on September 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
HornetSting: Good point,buy Hopey was sitting,ahem,on his!!
Tee-hee!:)
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:41 PM
All the crazy dictator (Iran’s) has to do is tell Obama that the radioactive material is for the production of necessary medical supplies and all will be well.
Maxpower on September 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM
“At the time I thought that might be a payoff for our capitulation on missile defense but it turns out The One broke the news to him about the secret Iranian site that very afternoon. Nicely done.”
So, uh, doesn’t this mean we screwed Eastern Europe even more since they obviously ARE a threat?
WitchDoctor on September 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Bingo!
Terrye on September 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM
I’ll soon take all my troubles over to Obama Rue
You know The One with the never ending Hope and Change shtick
He’s goin’ get a pad down on Pennsylvania avenue
He’ll be passin’ out little bottles of Obama Potion Number Nine
I’ll tell him that I’m having trouble with my mortgage payments
It’s gotten even worse in these last few weeks
He’ll kiss me on the cheek and he’ll made a magic sign
He’ll say “What you need is Obama Potion Number Nine”
He’ll turn around and gave me a wink
He’ll say “I’m gonna have my Michelle make it up right here in the White House sink”
It’ll smell like Chicago, it’ll look like socialist ink
I’ll hold my nose, I’ll close my eyes, I’ll take a drink
I won’t know if it is day or night
I’ll start grabbin’ everyone else’s money that is in sight
But when there’s nothin’ left to grab
It’ll break my little bottle of Obama Potion Number Nine
MB4 on September 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Good thing we didn’t elect this guy…
… for a moment, I was getting a little worried.
Seven Percent Solution on September 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Seven Percent Solution: Treason comes to mind!!
And,Hopey is Neville Chamberlain in
our time!
Nice intel grab btw!:)
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Yeah, why should the Russians help? They already got what they wanted.
Terrye on September 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM
There’s nothing terribly sophisticated about the release of this information. Obama likes the visibility and this just more crap being thrown against the wall to see what sticks. The man travels around like an atom in free space . . . who knows what will be next.
rplat on September 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM
what??? wtf is ogabe leader of the free world gonna do???NOTHING!!!!!
huckelberry on September 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM
MB4:
You are way too good to be wasting your talents here my friend.
Terrye on September 25, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Yep. And add the East European missle-defense system fiasco into the mix.
ICBM on September 25, 2009 at 7:47 PM
After reading all the comments here, it’s clear AP is right ( I really can’t be more sarcastic). Gotta run.
Maxpower on September 25, 2009 at 7:47 PM
a Cabookey Kabuki dance
MB4 on September 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
MB4: So,your saying it was a Tango,er dance!
No sh*t!!:)
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Amen to that!
Soooooooo… Obama has played one of our aces in a deal with Russia at the behest of the EU3?
Texas Gal on September 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM
They’re telling us this info has been lying around since about 2006, and nobody — Bush people or otherwise — has done anything about it? Sorry, I ain’t buyin’ it.
More likely: It’s new info. And quite inconvenient info for the Bamster. 0-bots are spinning it the best they can.
petefrt on September 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Thanks!
I think everyone needs to be reminded of what we are actually talking about here…
… I found this little linky, grab some popcorn and enjoy.
Seven Percent Solution on September 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM
what??? wtf is ogabe leader of the free world gonna do???NOTHING!!!!!
huckelberry on September 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM
huckelberry:
Finally,the world now knows,that Dinnerjacket has been gameing the world,and its only been about a four year
stall tactic!!
So now,
1) What are Irans intentions!
2) What are their capabilities!
===============================
I hope the World acts before its too late!:)
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Sooooooooo, selling out the polish, was a ruse, if ‘O’ knew about Iran months ago, why and for what real reason did he say “oops sorry folks, no shields”?? Hoping to appease the Russians? What? I am so confused now…..
RoxanneH on September 25, 2009 at 7:56 PM
When it comes to the Chicago Jesus and his relations with such stalwart Friends of Peace at the Poot, Mad Mahmoud, Yugo Chavez, Li’l Kim and, of course, kindly ol’ Dr Castro, I think I like “Cabookey” better.
MrScribbler on September 25, 2009 at 7:57 PM
And the moral of the story is – the more confused the American people are the better it is for Obama.
Cheshire Cat on September 25, 2009 at 7:59 PM
I think everyone needs to be reminded of what we are actually talking about here…
… I found this little linky, grab some popcorn and enjoy.
Seven Percent Solution on September 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Seven Percent Solution: Agreed,heres my favourite!:)
Trinity and Beyond,the Atomic Bomb Movie,
Part 1/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQD3Opy1nlI&feature=related
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 8:00 PM
I hope Israel acts before it’s too late.
As Levin [stop the Beck bashing!] said last night, after yesterday at the UN, the leader of the free world is no long Barack Obama. The leader of the free world is Bibi Netanyahu.
We look to Israel to bail out Western Civilization… one more time.
petefrt on September 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Finally,the world now knows,that Dinnerjacket has been gameing the world,and its only been about a four year
stall tactic!!
So now,
1) What are Irans intentions!
2) What are their capabilities!
===============================
I hope the World acts before its too late!:)
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 7:55 PM
1) Death to AMERICA….
2) Growing every day…
3) As long as the current occupant of the W H is who it is DEATH TO AMERICA
is the plan
huckelberry on September 25, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Do we know how Iran found out that we know about the facility? It seems to be a very serious intelligence breach.
year_of_the_dingo on September 25, 2009 at 8:05 PM
I hope Israel acts before it’s too late.
petefrt on September 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM
petefrt:Yup,and Bi Bi has the will to curtail Irans
plans!
I think the meme,er talkin point should be
that Obama is Neville Chamberlain in OUR TIME!:)
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Apparently, according to one report, Obama told the Russians they then turned around and told the Iranians.
elduende on September 25, 2009 at 8:07 PM
No question. Maybe worse even than that.
petefrt on September 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Nope, his bosses Saudi Masters issued their marching orders. If Barry Obozo actually does something about the Iranians, it will be because the string pullers in the Magic Kingdom said so.
I’m afraid the Republic isn’t going to survive three more years of this nutbar. And I doubt it will survive until the 2010 elections…which we will probably not get to have considering the rate at which he is moving and consolidating. Almost time for Box #4.
mrpeabody on September 25, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Yes, that’s what I suspect too. From what I know of the Bamster, Mr. Naivite’, it adds up for me.
petefrt on September 25, 2009 at 8:11 PM
DEATH TO AMERICA
huckelberry on September 25, 2009 at 8:03 PM
huckelberry: The Iranian Vapourization Day,to `
Little and Big Satan,should be a
wake-up call also!:)
canopfor on September 25, 2009 at 8:12 PM
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