Iran admits to secret uranium enrichment facility; Update: Built near Iranian holy city; Update: Iran working on detonators too? Update: Ahmadinejad warns Obama

Iran IS abiding by the NPT. It is the US that is not. Who gets to bomb the US?
dave742 on September 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

It doesn’t matter what Iran may abide by or not abide by.

The bottom line facts are that they have repeatedly stated that their program is for peaceful purposes and that the west is lying when we accuse them of hiding technology and facilities that would be used for making a nuclear bomb.

It is beyond established that Iran is making a nuclear bomb
and has been lying about it.

As stated many times, a treaty has to be ratified by our Congress. Treaties like Koyto that you are so upset about were bogus and sent packing.
If you can’t handle this take it to your Congressman.
He!!, take it to your buddy Al gore,he certainly did nothing when he had the power to do it.

The point stands.
What has not abiding by a treaty that our Congress decided was not in our best interest got to do with Iran being able to ignore the international community and continue to build a bomb.

Everyone in touch with reality knows that Iran having a nuclear weapon is insane.

By your logic you will let them go unimpeded because other treaties were not approved by a nations governing body.

By your logic, nobody has to abide by anything in the UN because in the past,treaties and sanctions were not adhered to.

This is liberal moral equivalencey at it’s worst.

Baxter Greene on September 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I just can’t bring myself to pay close enough attention to the ravings of a Holocaust denying apologist for the world’s biggest supporter of terrorism who tries to justify their ambitions to have nuclear weapons.

ProfessorMiao on September 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Heh!!

Baxter Greene on September 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Show me one piece of evidence, please.

dave742 on September 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM

More facts for dave to ignore:

Iranian Official Admits Nuclear Program Is Not Peaceful
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/iranian_official_admits_nuclea.asp

Remember when the Iranians left blueprints for a nuclear warhead lying around, and then told the IAEA inspectors that the regime “received them inadvertently while purchasing its nuclear equipment on the black market decades ago”? Well, accidents will happen:

Iran’s envoy to the UN atomic watchdog caused a buzz among journalists on Wednesday when he apparently misspoke and said his country had the right to a nuclear weapon.
After saying as usual that Iran was only pursuing nuclear energy for civilian purposes, Ali Asghar Soltanieh strayed alarmingly from the Islamic republic’s usual line.

“The whole Iranian nation are united… on (the) inalienable right of (having a) nuclear weapon,” the envoy to the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency said.

Iran holds enough uranium for bomb
By Daniel Dombey in Washington
Published: February 19 2009 21:18 | Last updated: February 20 2009 00:51

In a development that comes as the Obama administration is drawing up its policy on negotiations with Tehran over its nuclear programme, UN officials said Iran had produced more nuclear material than previously thought.

enriched uranium if for a nuclear bomb ….just saying.

Iran (2008)
Political Rights Score: 6
Civil Liberties Score: 6
Status: Not Free
Overview
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=363&year=2008&country=7413

The following month, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) ruled that Iran was in noncompliance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Rather than attempting to allay fears that Iran was seeking to develop nuclear weapons, Ahmadinejad seemed intent on enflaming them, declaring that Iran was “ready to transfer nuclear know-how to Islamic countries.” He has also repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel and publicly questioned the reality of the Holocaust.

In January 2006, Iran announced that it was resuming other aspects of its nuclear fuel research, triggering condemnation from the international community. Iran’s foreign minister also announced the end of Iran’s voluntary cooperation with the IAEA. In April, an IAEA report faulted Iran for failing to suspend uranium enrichment and improve cooperation with inspectors. As a result of the IAEA reports and faltering negotiations, the UN Security Council in July adopted Resolution 1696, calling for Iran to suspend uranium enrichment by August 31 or face the possibility of economic sanctions. On November 14, 2006, the IAEA reported that traces of plutonium and enriched uranium were found at a nuclear-waste facility, after which the United Nations voted unanimously to impose sanctions and ban the sale to Iran of materials that could be used for nuclear or missile programs.

Funny how all major intelligence agencies,the UN,and many countries repeatedly state and show that Iran is making a nuclear weapon, Iran has admitted to wanting a nuclear weapon, and they possess the means to make a nuclear weapon,combined with the fact that they continue to get caught lying about making a nuclear weapon,……..
….but dave doesn’t think Iran is making a nuclear weapon.

Even the Russians have admitted this:

Russian Military Expert Warns Of Iranian Threat
http://rpc.blogrolling.com/redirect.php?r=503d6378b0e7bbf4f5488ec58d1fd50d&url=http%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F

While the Obama administration considers pulling back on continuing to develop technology to provide a missile shield for Europe and beyond, the Iranians have made important developments in missile technology. This is not coming from Chas Freeman’s dreaded Israel lobby, but from a Russian military expert during a March 12, 2009 press conference which has not been widely reported in the European or American press:

He states here what is may be holding them back is “weapons grade uranium”.
We already know now that they have that.
So according to the Russians, nothing is holding them back now.

“In the technical sense, what may be holding them back is the lack of enough weapons-grade uranium,” said Dvorkin, who today heads a strategic arms research
centre at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow.
“I consider this a significant threat,” said Dvorkin, who stressed that he was voicing his personal views and not those of the Russian government.

Times of London: Iran just waiting for Khamenei’s order to build a bomb
posted at 7:35 pm on August 2, 2009 by Allahpundit
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/02/times-of-london-iran-just-waiting-for-khameneis-order-to-build-a-bomb/

We knew they had enough low-enriched uranium for one bomb. What we didn’t know is that they might already have perfected the process by which uranium is highly enriched and then weaponized in a warhead. Oh, and some more good news: No one’s sure if Khamenei’s already given the order, which means the countdown might already have begun.

“If the Supreme Leader takes the decision (to build a bomb), we assess they have to enrich low-enriched uranium to highly-enriched uranium at the Natanz plant, which could take six months, depending on how many centrifuges are operating. We don’t know if the decision was made yet,” said the intelligence sources, adding that Iran could have created smaller, secret facilities, other than those at the heavily guarded bunker at Natanz to develop materials for a first bomb. Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency only keep tabs on fissile material produced at monitored sites and not the number of centrifuges that Iran has built…

Wow dave…I wonder if Iran have any secret nuclear sites.

That’s right, that has just been established.

Look, more facts for you to ignore.

Any reason to believe Iran might have those “smaller, secret facilities” needed to build a bomb covertly? Why, yes: According to an NYT story published in January, a classified portion of that 2007 NIE described at great length analysts’ “suspicion that Iran had 10 or 15 other nuclear-related facilities, never opened to international inspectors, where enrichment activity, weapons work or the manufacturing of centrifuges might be taking place.” Combine the fact that that rather significant detail was omitted from the public debate at the time with the report’s increasingly discredited conclusion that Iran gave up its program in 2003 and you’ve got one of the most astounding intelligence failures in U.S. history, with potentially graver consequences than either 9/11 or the WMD intel on Iraq.

Nothing but right wing propaganda coming from the NY Times and London Times right dave.

More right wingers stating they have seen the intelligence that Iran is making a nuclear bomb:

U.S. now sees Iran as pursuing nuclear bomb

In a reversal since a 2007 report, U.S. officials expect the Islamic Republic to reach development milestones this year.
By Greg Miller
February 12, 2009
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/mideastemail/la-fg-usiran12-2009feb12,0,586423.story?track=newslettertext

Reporting from Washington — Little more than a year after U.S. spy agencies concluded that Iran had halted work on a nuclear weapon, the Obama administration has made it clear that it believes there is no question that Tehran is seeking the bomb.

Obama’s nominee to serve as CIA director, Leon E. Panetta, left little doubt about his view last week when he testified on Capitol Hill. “From all the information I’ve seen,” Panetta said, “I think there is no question that they are seeking that capability.”

Good news: Iran to be nuke-capable this year, says think tank

How slow has this slow-motion trainwreck been? May 2006: IISS pronounces Iranian nukes “inevitable.” January 2007: IISS warns that Iran could have the bomb in two years. May 2007: IISS describes how Iran’s built its own nuclear black market, one which, if the Times of London is to be believed, is now suddenly running low on yellowcake. Too late, alas:

Iran will have enough enriched uranium to make a single nuclear weapon later this year, the prestigious International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) predicts…

Sarkozy: Iran working on nukes today


“It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program,” Sarkozy told lawmakers from his UMP party on Tuesday, according to Press TV.

“We cannot let Iran acquire nuclear” weapons because it would also be a threat to Israel, he added.

Germans: Of course Iran kept working on nuclear weapons

The Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany’s foreign intelligence agency, has amassed evidence of a sophisticated Iranian nuclear weapons program that continued beyond 2003. This usually classified information comes courtesy of Germany’s highest state-security court. In a 30-page legal opinion on March 26 and a May 27 press release in a case about possible illegal trading with Iran, a special national security panel of the Federal Supreme Court in Karlsruhe cites from a May 2008 BND report, saying the agency “showed comprehensively” that “development work on nuclear weapons can be observed in Iran even after 2003.”

Baxter Greene on September 25, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Show me one piece of evidence, please.

dave742 on September 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM

More facts for dave to ignore:

Iranian Official Admits Nuclear Program Is Not Peaceful
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/iranian_official_admits_nuclea.asp

Remember when the Iranians left blueprints for a nuclear warhead lying around, and then told the IAEA inspectors that the regime “received them inadvertently while purchasing its nuclear equipment on the black market decades ago”? Well, accidents will happen:

Iran’s envoy to the UN atomic watchdog caused a buzz among journalists on Wednesday when he apparently misspoke and said his country had the right to a nuclear weapon.
After saying as usual that Iran was only pursuing nuclear energy for civilian purposes, Ali Asghar Soltanieh strayed alarmingly from the Islamic republic’s usual line.

“The whole Iranian nation are united… on (the) inalienable right of (having a) nuclear weapon,” the envoy to the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency said.

Iran holds enough uranium for bomb
By Daniel Dombey in Washington
Published: February 19 2009 21:18 | Last updated: February 20 2009 00:51

In a development that comes as the Obama administration is drawing up its policy on negotiations with Tehran over its nuclear programme, UN officials said Iran had produced more nuclear material than previously thought.

enriched uranium if for a nuclear bomb ….just saying.

Iran (2008)
Political Rights Score: 6
Civil Liberties Score: 6
Status: Not Free
Overview
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=363&year=2008&country=7413

The following month, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) ruled that Iran was in noncompliance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Rather than attempting to allay fears that Iran was seeking to develop nuclear weapons, Ahmadinejad seemed intent on enflaming them, declaring that Iran was “ready to transfer nuclear know-how to Islamic countries.” He has also repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel and publicly questioned the reality of the Holocaust.

In January 2006, Iran announced that it was resuming other aspects of its nuclear fuel research, triggering condemnation from the international community. Iran’s foreign minister also announced the end of Iran’s voluntary cooperation with the IAEA. In April, an IAEA report faulted Iran for failing to suspend uranium enrichment and improve cooperation with inspectors. As a result of the IAEA reports and faltering negotiations, the UN Security Council in July adopted Resolution 1696, calling for Iran to suspend uranium enrichment by August 31 or face the possibility of economic sanctions. On November 14, 2006, the IAEA reported that traces of plutonium and enriched uranium were found at a nuclear-waste facility, after which the United Nations voted unanimously to impose sanctions and ban the sale to Iran of materials that could be used for nuclear or missile programs.

Funny how all major intelligence agencies,the UN,and many countries repeatedly state and show that Iran is making a nuclear weapon, Iran has admitted to wanting a nuclear weapon, and they possess the means to make a nuclear weapon,combined with the fact that they continue to get caught lying about making a nuclear weapon,……..
….but dave doesn’t think Iran is making a nuclear weapon.

Even the Russians have admitted this:

Russian Military Expert Warns Of Iranian Threat
http://rpc.blogrolling.com/redirect.php?r=503d6378b0e7bbf4f5488ec58d1fd50d&url=http%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F

While the Obama administration considers pulling back on continuing to develop technology to provide a missile shield for Europe and beyond, the Iranians have made important developments in missile technology. This is not coming from Chas Freeman’s dreaded Israel lobby, but from a Russian military expert during a March 12, 2009 press conference which has not been widely reported in the European or American press:

He states here what is may be holding them back is “weapons grade uranium”.
We already know now that they have that.
So according to the Russians, nothing is holding them back now.

“In the technical sense, what may be holding them back is the lack of enough weapons-grade uranium,” said Dvorkin, who today heads a strategic arms research
centre at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow.
“I consider this a significant threat,” said Dvorkin, who stressed that he was voicing his personal views and not those of the Russian government.

Times of London: Iran just waiting for Khamenei’s order to build a bomb

We knew they had enough low-enriched uranium for one bomb. What we didn’t know is that they might already have perfected the process by which uranium is highly enriched and then weaponized in a warhead. Oh, and some more good news: No one’s sure if Khamenei’s already given the order, which means the countdown might already have begun.

“If the Supreme Leader takes the decision (to build a bomb), we assess they have to enrich low-enriched uranium to highly-enriched uranium at the Natanz plant, which could take six months, depending on how many centrifuges are operating. We don’t know if the decision was made yet,” said the intelligence sources, adding that Iran could have created smaller, secret facilities, other than those at the heavily guarded bunker at Natanz to develop materials for a first bomb. Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency only keep tabs on fissile material produced at monitored sites and not the number of centrifuges that Iran has built…

Wow dave…I wonder if Iran have any secret nuclear sites.

That’s right, that has just been established.

Look, more facts for you to ignore.

Any reason to believe Iran might have those “smaller, secret facilities” needed to build a bomb covertly? Why, yes: According to an NYT story published in January, a classified portion of that 2007 NIE described at great length analysts’ “suspicion that Iran had 10 or 15 other nuclear-related facilities, never opened to international inspectors, where enrichment activity, weapons work or the manufacturing of centrifuges might be taking place.” Combine the fact that that rather significant detail was omitted from the public debate at the time with the report’s increasingly discredited conclusion that Iran gave up its program in 2003 and you’ve got one of the most astounding intelligence failures in U.S. history, with potentially graver consequences than either 9/11 or the WMD intel on Iraq.

Nothing but right wing propaganda coming from the NY Times and London Times right dave.

More right wingers stating they have seen the intelligence that Iran is making a nuclear bomb:

U.S. now sees Iran as pursuing nuclear bomb

In a reversal since a 2007 report, U.S. officials expect the Islamic Republic to reach development milestones this year.
By Greg Miller
February 12, 2009

Reporting from Washington — Little more than a year after U.S. spy agencies concluded that Iran had halted work on a nuclear weapon, the Obama administration has made it clear that it believes there is no question that Tehran is seeking the bomb.

Obama’s nominee to serve as CIA director, Leon E. Panetta, left little doubt about his view last week when he testified on Capitol Hill. “From all the information I’ve seen,” Panetta said, “I think there is no question that they are seeking that capability.”

Good news: Iran to be nuke-capable this year, says think tank

How slow has this slow-motion trainwreck been? May 2006: IISS pronounces Iranian nukes “inevitable.” January 2007: IISS warns that Iran could have the bomb in two years. May 2007: IISS describes how Iran’s built its own nuclear black market, one which, if the Times of London is to be believed, is now suddenly running low on yellowcake. Too late, alas:

Iran will have enough enriched uranium to make a single nuclear weapon later this year, the prestigious International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) predicts…

Sarkozy: Iran working on nukes today


“It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program,” Sarkozy told lawmakers from his UMP party on Tuesday, according to Press TV.

“We cannot let Iran acquire nuclear” weapons because it would also be a threat to Israel, he added.

Germans: Of course Iran kept working on nuclear weapons

The Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany’s foreign intelligence agency, has amassed evidence of a sophisticated Iranian nuclear weapons program that continued beyond 2003. This usually classified information comes courtesy of Germany’s highest state-security court. In a 30-page legal opinion on March 26 and a May 27 press release in a case about possible illegal trading with Iran, a special national security panel of the Federal Supreme Court in Karlsruhe cites from a May 2008 BND report, saying the agency “showed comprehensively” that “development work on nuclear weapons can be observed in Iran even after 2003.”

Baxter Greene on September 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM