DeMint: What I heard in Honduras
While the White House and the State Department continue to insist that
Honduras removed its president Manuel Zelaya in a coup, Senator Jim
DeMint decided to do something rather basic — ask the Hondurans……

Another lesson to be learned from a small Nation was taught this past week buy the Israeli PM, learn anything Barrack? That was a show of strength and resolve, Bibi has a backbone, Barrack, not so much. He called out the UN for not doing anything it’s charter mandated, and for being weak. You Barrack did what the world is used to you doing, blaming us, and apologizing for our existence. You should not be the leader of anything, you simply don’t know how. You have been President for nine months, you are still campaigning, when will you govern?

I would love to trade two of our branches of government with Hondurans, and the third with Israel, these people get it.

Never heard such absolute rubbish in all my life as that which you spouted.

Zelaya is no longer the lawful president of the Honduras by virtue of his attempt to change the Constitution of the Honduras to favour him… It is for this reason that he was removed from power.

As seen by the events that followed, the Zelaya lackeys are not even Hondurans. They come from Venezuela.

I shall never forget the behaviour of the CNN reporter and the open manner of partisanship with the communists that are backing Zelaya, and the fact that the reporter was willing to go as far as displaying fauxtography.

The Hondurans made a blunder by exiling Zelaya.

Yes and no. While it was in direct violation of section 102, the exile of tyrannical presidents is an old, old Latin American precedent, dating back at least to the overthrow of Flores in Ecuador in the (IIRC) 1830s. Given the weakness of institutions throughout much of the area, getting the former ruler out of the country was considered essential, and also nicer than shooting him. It’s the difference between the ideal of what we’d like to see (the rule of law) vs. practical reality (the stability of the country and the prevention of civil war). I’m not saying the Hondurans were absolutely correct when the exiled Zelaya, but their actions were in line with Latin American traditions.

That action clearly violates both the Honduran constitution and the notion of due process.

Unless I’m grossly mistaken, what we think of as “due process” is the norm for countries whose judicial systems derived from England. Honduras inherited its procedures from Spain. The norms of due process there may well be very different from ours, and I’d be very hesitant to make a blanket statement that they violated those norms. (It’s clear from the CRS report that they violated the Honduran constitution in exiling Zelaya, of course, but I consider that minor compared to the threat he posed.)

MaximusConfessor on September 25, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Obviously you are an expert on this subject who is privy to great information. Why don’t you enlighten us on all those undercurrents affecting this situation and tell us who these “larger” groups that are “looking” at controlling this vital country are. Of course, you should only reveal what you feel comfortable with but enough so that we can all partake of the knowledge.

It certainly was a military coup that removed a lawfully elected President from his office.

When the military is acting on the order of the Court with the consent of the Legislature, it isn’t a military coup. When the Presidency is immediately assumed by the proper constitutional successor, it is not a military coup. The military simply did what it was told, and perhaps a little bit more, but at no time was the military running the country. Not a military coup.

Zelaya violated the Constitution in an attempted power grab and the rest of the government did its job and took him out. Honduras done good.

There is more to this story than we know about and there are larger groups looking to obtain control of this vital central american country than we are aware of.

Hopefully Obama will do the right thing and restore him to his rightful position as the elected leader of his country.

But of course Obama will NOT do that.

He simply likes to TALK and PRETEND he is on the right side of an issue, but in reality in his ACTIONS he is always on the wrong side.

Obama is simply a Neocon puppet. The neocons that frequent this site should just love him and be thrilled about his presidency.

I am starting to feel like I’m not in an alternate universe waiting for Scotty to fix the damn transporter…………

Unfortunately that means either an incompetent idiot, a man whose beliefs are 180 degrees out of whack with the world, or an honestly evil man are in the highest office of our land!

And that is by far a scarier thought for now.

The vote was originally binding. After it was ruled illegal he decided to changed it. Unfortunately, the presidential order to re-make it as non-binding was filed too late (according to election laws), so he just filed it with an earlier date.

Doe this sound like someone who has any intentions of following any agreements he makes.

Saying it was a “non-binding” vote is a fig leaf. He obviously had every intention of “reluctantly” accepting “the people’s demands.”

tom on September 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Doe this sound like someone who has any intentions of following any agreements he makes.

tom on September 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM

And when the military refused to go along with him he called his Marxist mobs into the streets to coerce the nation into the power grab. It was Zelaya who was in the process of perpetrating a coup against the Honduran state.

Which he is now doing again from the Brazilian embassy.

And since Zelaya had ballots illegally printed in Venezuela for an illegal referendum, and the Supreme Court had gone so far as to order those ballots confiscated, then clearly he intended to take advantage of the outcome. Saying it was a “non-binding” vote is a fig leaf. He obviously had every intention of “reluctantly” accepting “the people’s demands.”

AverageJoe on September 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM

No he denounced the San Jose Accords on Monday after he appeared in the Brazilian Embassy.