Will the US join Canada in A’jad walkout?; Update: Video of Harper’s clear, uncompromising language
posted at 10:12 am on September 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Our friends to the North have heard enough from Iranian “president” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, thanks to his Holocaust-denying rants and virulent anti-Semitism. Canada plans to protest his presence today at the United Nations, with their entire delegation walking out of the chamber when Ahmadinejad takes the podium. The big question will be whether other nations join Canada’s protest of this hate-spewing oppressor, including the US:
Canada will boycott Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s speech at the United Nations today, saying his outbursts about the Holocaust and Israel are “shameful.”
Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon will be at the world body to attend the opening of the UN General Assembly’s annual debate, but officials signal he and other members of the Canadian delegation will vacate when the Islamic republic’s president approaches the podium.
Walking out of the chamber is seen as a strong diplomatic show of disgust at the UN — and since the 192-member chamber is generally packed on the first day of the annual summit, Canada’s empty seats will not go unnoticed.
“President Ahmadinejad’s repeated denial of the Holocaust and his anti-Israel comments run counter to the values of the UN General Assembly, and they’re shameful,” said one Canadian official.
“He uses his public appearances to provoke the international community, and that is why Canada’s seats will be empty.”
Canada will be setting a standard today for the West. Who will sit and listen to Ahmadinejad’s speech and afford him that kind of credibility after his hateful and lunatic rants? One can certainly expect the usual suspects to sit in rapt attention: Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Russia, China, and so on. They have done nothing but enable the mullahs of Iran to conduct nuclear weapons programs, terrorism by proxy, and oppression.
But what about the Western democracies? Will the UK, France, and Germany sit and listen to Ahmadinejad? Iran is one of their trading partners, and thus far none of them have shown much inclination to take opportunities to rebuke Iran in public, except when being accused of fomenting unrest.
How about the US? We don’t have diplomatic relations with Iran, but Barack Obama certainly wants them. He did everything he could to avoid commenting on the rigged election in Iran that put Ahmadinejad on the dais at Turtle Bay. Obama wants talks so badly that the White House has shown no inclination to react to Ahmadinejad’s bigotry. When Canada walks out, it seems extremely unlikely that they will have their southern neighbors joining them — which will be a sorry day indeed for the United States.
Update: Stephen Harper does not mince words:
Impressive. Very impressive. We used to have national leaders here with this kind of clarity.
Blowback
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There are so many big lies in that one statement alone that it staggers the imagination.
Take your disgusting anti-semitic rhetoric and go someplace where they tolerate such filth.
TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM
We will stay and politely applaud…er, our “represntatives” will.
Think of the bad impact a walk-out could have on Hussein’s Presidency, his popularity abroad (with people like Admahomo).
Damn, the Hondurans might think they run their country and take on the US if they start thinking we can’t count on Iranian support to reinsert Zelaya.
Ted Mack is pissed, now that “The Amateur Hour” is back with Hussein as emcee. it was HIS show.
Harry Schell on September 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM
right2bright:
I don’t know what you are saying. The BBC quotes Ahmadinejad’s speeches when he makes them, and they are available on Lexis Nexis the same day.
dave742 on September 23, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Barack will be there in the first row taking notes as to what this @#$@# is saying.
Brat4life on September 23, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Obama is trying to arrange that. All without the “kicking out” part.
LibTired on September 23, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Israel belongs to Israel. The real “Myth” here is Palestine. Palestine is a region, not a Nation… it never was. Israel shows more respect for the Palestinian people than all the other Islamic Nations combined.
ronnyraygun on September 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM
This is horrifying. I was already affraid of taking pills.
Dave, why not just try to first dispute these, since obviously none of us have any access to the gas chambers in order to test them?
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/hol6.jpg
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/bergenbelsenmassgrave.jpg
http://www.rjgeib.com/biography/europe/germany/berlin2.jpg
Esthier on September 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM
The Jews commited mass suicide to make the Nazis look bad!
Chemists agree, chemically!
lying moonbat742 at any time, 2009
profitsbeard on September 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM
If you truly cannot be bothered to read even the most basic history texts regarding the elimination of 6 million Jews in Europe during WWII (despite the fact that you correct us here that there were only 5.2 million killed… and the 13 million figure contains intellectuals, gypsies, homosexuals, political prisoners, and ethnic minorities inside the occupied countries of the Third Reich. Not just Jews.), then what right do you have to express an opinion on the post and expect it to be reasonably considered?
You most assuredly do have an opinion. You HAVE researched it enough to feel that ImaNutJob is justified in his comments. You imply the denial of the undisputable FACTs in evidence even 60 years later at the sites of the concentration camps, the hundreds of thousands of different, yet self substantiating records kept by Nazi documentarians of the millions of Jews sent to their deaths and RECORDED by Nazi Death Camp personnel in their own documents, not to mention the eyewitness accounts of those Jews who survived and have been documented for over 60 years now. You support ImaNutJob’s position that debate over the causes and fates of Holocaust death camps, after the vast majority of the eyewitnesses are dead, is a worthy and debatable subject for rational people who are supposed to be leading their people in rational policies and amicable discourse amongst the human beings on Earth.
Of course, this is the UN. Where is rationality supposed to enter into it?
You may deny the facts exist. You may deny that you have seen them and the contrary facts and opinions of deniers. You may deny what is apparent to all the Western World, that ImaNutJob is a Liar and a Murderer of American Troops, Iraqi civilians, and his own citizenry. You may decry any attempt to question his or your logic as unreasonable.
But you cannot deny that you are unwilling to accept other’s points of view, and that you would do not one thing to stop genocide anywhere on the face of this Earth, no matter how apparent or how horrible. Because Cowards always find a reason not to stand, but to hide. And Cowards will always live far more wretched and horrible lives than the Valiant who stand against Tyranny anywhere and everywhere it is exposed, and die in the process.
You are absolutely the most despicable troll on this thread. I wonder how you live with yourself.
Subsunk
Subsunk on September 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM
+
ladyingray on September 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Did George Bush win the Canadian election? For to long we have continued failed policies of our predecessors. We must embrace our Islam-o-facist brothers, for we are not that different from them.
This is a new golden age of hope and 5x speed centerfuges.
40-to-1 we walk out.
NickelAndDime on September 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Geeeeeez…..Khaddaffi whines more than Obama!
Hey Moo-a-mar, one of your camels just took a dump in your tent. Better stop talking and go investigate.
Is there a time limit for speeches at the U.N.? I’m about ready to pull my own fingernails out.
David2.0 on September 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Not to mention our own soldiers who liberated many from the death camps. Anyone who could doubt the existence of the Holocaust is not even worthy of response. Dave742 needs to go.
TXMomof3 on September 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM
You are wrong. Try this:
When you call something a myth, you deny its existence and occurrance.
I am in some agreement with you over the fact that Israel has taken land from the Palestinians (and is continuing to do so), but that doesn’t change the fact that this guy denies the Holocaust, and, if he gets his way, Israel will die a nuclear death. Israel, regardless of the manner of its founding, has a right and an obligation to protect its citizens. If the Israelis “take out” Iran’s nuclear ambitions, I will be firmly on their side of the stadium rooting away.
unclesmrgol on September 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Knowing the people Big Crock has working for him, our ambassador will probably deliver rousing applause at the end of every sentence.
Ryan Gandy on September 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM
True.
The PLO and the notion of “Palestine” was conjured up by the Soviets in the 60′s to counter American and its ally’s “hegemony” They gave Arafat the best of training, and there must be a reason why Abu Mazen/Mahmoud Abbas speaks perfect Russian. Abu Mazen’s Phd. thesis in a noted Moscow university just happens to deny the Holacaust, or the nazi extermination chambers, and pretty much says that Jews were responsible for their own deaths. Coincidence ?
runner on September 23, 2009 at 11:47 AM
another one
runner on September 23, 2009 at 11:48 AM
We’ve always had so many reasons to smirk at Canada. The friendly smirk of a big brother who is Student Body President and Captain of the football team as well as head of the chess club. Now, Canada showed us they were the only ones who knows how to put on their big boy pants.
TwilightAuthor on September 23, 2009 at 11:49 AM
The Israeli delegates should respect Islamic traditions, instead of walking out they should throw shoes. It’s a more effective way to express criticism.
BTW, anyone knows when the monkey scheduled to hate-speech?
Michelle Dubois on September 23, 2009 at 11:51 AM
The Canadian walkout is not only about the Holocaust and the hateful disgusting disrespectful speeches of A-jad. It’s also about Zahra Kazemi and the Canadian Newsweek reporter. And possibly about Iranian support of Afghanistan terrorists who kill Canadian soldiers.
Unfortunately Obama is in a more difficult situation than Canada is. Canada is not at the front of nuclear negotiations with Iran, and not the biggest player in Afghanistan, and not a player at all in Iraq. America is. So Obama cannot walk out as easily as the Canadian delegation can.
AlexB on September 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM
it is not that he cannot, it is that he and his acolytes don’t want to. perfect example of liberalism’s total lack of moral clarity
runner on September 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM
He can bow very easily, though.
profitsbeard on September 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM
unclesmrgol:
As for the recent speech, I already commented on that.
As I already mentioned, Jacob Neusner of Brown University is an Israeli scholar who said:
(Newsweek, “Debate Over the Holocaust,” March 10, 1980, by Kenneth L. Woodward with Eloise Salholz)
Is this Israeli scholar denying the Holocaust?
dave742 on September 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Did the Sonderkommandos?
(Thought you’d like that word… must send a tingle up your leg.)
profitsbeard on September 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Brilliant!
Esthier on September 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM
At what point does the totality of a persons quotes reach a tipping point indicating that they are using a term (myth)in its conventional sense?
chemman on September 23, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Seriously, where do you think you are? I’m sure there’s any number of dumping grounds on the internet for you to vent your moronic-ness.
LibTired on September 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Of course we’ve already proven to you that Ahmedinejad did more than call it a myth. He also called it a “lie”, “unprovable”, and a claim he doesn’t “accept”.
Plus, he’s a dictator interested in obtaining nukes who has said Israel should be “wiped off the map”, so most reasonable people care far more about what he has to say than what an Israeli scholar says.
And before I end this, I’m sure you’re going to tell me how wrong that “wipe off the map” quote is and how he was just saying that Israel shouldn’t exist not that he wants to eradicate it.
That’s certainly an easy way to spin the quote, but to do so, you have to ignore the vast majority of what he’s said publicly, an easy feet for an apologist to be sure, but significantly harder with open eyes.
Esthier on September 23, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Kind of O/T, but I think everyone should walk out of Qaddafi’s speech. He’s making NO sense and rambling off of sheets of spiral notebook paper. LOVELY outfit.
mimi1220 on September 23, 2009 at 12:13 PM
“Myth” and “tax” don’t mean what you think they mean, you’re stretching.
NickelAndDime on September 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Could someone please use the hook on the fugly goof Gadhafi? Why is CNN giving him a freakin’ hour of live coverage? Why does anything coming out of his ridiculous maw matter? What a effin’joke this UN is.
And yeah, I’m also a Canuck, and I’m proud our politicos have the balls to walk out on a scumbag holocaust denier like Ahmadinnerjacket.
notta_dhimmi on September 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Will the US walk out? More like The Won will invite Ahmadinejab for a brew at a beer summit at the White House.
SouperConservative on September 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM
The nutless one would never do anything like that, he is more intent on punishing Americans.
workingforpigs on September 23, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Walking out seems so childish. Now if they stayed and put up a sign on the desk that lists Iran’s human rights violations, election fraud, and such I would find that much better. People like Chavez and Amanutjob use these occasions to spread their propaganda, agreed if we just sat there the cut away shots would be embarrassing, that’s why they have to be somewhat creative and combatting that propaganda, just leaving gives them no opportunity to rebut.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Yup.
unclesmrgol on September 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM
I don’t think signs are allowed.
Refusing to listen denies their lies and propaganda a platform.
ProfessorMiao on September 23, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Brilliant!
Lou Budvis on September 23, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Why should Obama stand up to Ahmadinejad by walking out on his speech, when he just gave him and the rest of the world permission to step all over us in his own outrageous, patsy speech.
Obama is a disgusting fascist, and is on his way to quickly ruining our Country to the point of no return. Should he be re-elected, the United States as we know it, will be a thing of the past. Let’s hope we make it through the next 3 1/3 years without being bombed off the planet by the terrorists he is pandering to, and that the damage he’s doing to our domestic and foreign policy isn’t totally irreversible.
Susanboo on September 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM
An empty seat speaks volumes. As a Canadian I am proud of Harper and his government.
Brian Mallard on September 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM
or (per Michelle Doubois) put their feet up , with shoe soles clearly visible
runner on September 23, 2009 at 12:58 PM
I think there is no way the US delegation will walk out.
Dinnerjacket is a genocidal maniac with a somewhat disturbing wish to bring about a nuclear apocalypse in his region. At least that’s what he says, who knows it could all be an act and he may be a very nice guy.
Can we negotiate with an implacable dictator who stole an election and wants to nuke Israel.
My friends, there are only two appropriate responses.
We are the ones we have been waiting for.
And
YES. WE. CAN!!
[This message was brought to you by Obama For America]
Anders on September 23, 2009 at 12:59 PM
No. Note the conjunction — the word “myth” applies to the expression (A AND B) which follows. In English, the word “and” implies that both conjunctives must be true for the expression to be true. The full article shows that context (that the Holocaust is used by some to justify the actions around the founding of the State of Israel). The expression is used by many Israelis — see here for another in-context example:
Also from Dr. Neusner, an opinion which certainly negates your contention that he considers the Holocaust a myth:
unclesmrgol on September 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM
It will be a sad day if we’re unwilling to stand against tyrants while Canada and Germany are.
This is not the America I thought I knew…
ynot4tony2 on September 23, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Are you kidding me? Gadhafi was hysterical, and the CNN translator sounded (I’m sure unintentionally) as if he was mocking him. I really enjoyed the part when Gadhafi suggested to move the UN to different continent, something about jetlag, getting up at 4am and denying a visa to his friend’s daughter, whatever the reason is, I’m all for it. And I laughed hysterically when he said that Obama should rule the US forever… when the bad guys love you, it means you’re doing something wrong.
Michelle Dubois on September 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Question: How sad is it that Canada has the spine to do something pricipled like this and we don’t?
Answer: Really sad.
Rightwingguy on September 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I disagree. It just gives the feeling that the US wants to run away from a debate. Strikes me as more of a remnant of the old days of imperialism. I don’t think it is beneficial with the scrutiny of today’s news cycle/internet impact.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Michelle Dubois on September 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I laughed too. He’s an offensive, crazy boob.
mimi1220 on September 23, 2009 at 1:38 PM
unclesmrgol:
You said that: “When you call something a myth, you deny its existence and occurrance.”
Neusner, along with your example, talked about the “myth of Holocaust and redemption.” You are now concentrating and the word “and”. So is Neusner calling both the Holocaust and the redemption myths? Or is he calling the package of the two a myth? Either way, I don’t understand how he is not calling the Holocaust a myth.
You are misunderstanding me. I do not think Neusner is denying the Holocaust. He is simply using the term “myth” as it is meant to be used. This is exactly how Ahmadinejad uses the word. I have no doubt that Ahmadinejad intentionally says things that will be jumped on by the Western press. I am sure it is amusing for him.
chemman:
Ahmadinejad is using the term in the conventional sense. You need to look up the word.
The point of all this is that the Western media (and much more so blogs and other internet sources) fabricates Ahmadinejad quotes. I have researched this extensively by reading several dozen complete speeches using Lexis Nexis. It’s a simple demonization technique that’s been done forever. When you read the speeches, his point is not to deny the Holocaust. His point is to ask why the Palestinians have to suffer for it. If you cannot see that the Palestinians were asked to pay for the Holocaust, then you are blind. His other point is that the West will not discuss the issue rationally, but simple deny discussion, or call the debater names, like what happens on this blog. Or else they will put the debater in jail. He wonders why this is so, when free speech is supposed to be a cherished right in the West. These are his points. They are valid points.
dave742 on September 23, 2009 at 1:38 PM
This may have been somewhat coordinated. Canada is carrying the West’s water on this one and making a statement for those countries that prefer to keep “smart power” (sarc) options on the table for now. While I’d prefer it if the US also made a principled stand, I can see the faulty logic.
Firefly_76 on September 23, 2009 at 1:47 PM
How about you send your thesis to these guys. I am sure they would love to talk to you and discuss your concerns.
runner on September 23, 2009 at 1:59 PM
I’ve already indicated how I parse the phrase with regard to the “myth”. Dr. Neusner’s meaning is just as obvious as Dow Marmur’s meaning. Your questioning after my explanation is a red herring. Here I bite just the tiniest piece before I spit the thing out.
Mr. Ahmadinejad’s meaning is equally obvious. He does not talk of “Holocaust and redemption” — he merely says “Holocaust”, surrounded by raging crowds yelling “Death to Israel!”. He does not correct those crowds, because he does not desire to.
I am not blind. Just as I support the Palestinians who nonviolently seek their ancestral rights (such as the case of ‘Imwas), I support the right of the State of Israel to protect its citizenry. I view this as a case of Cowboys vs. Indians — when I was young, I rooted for the Cowboys, but now that I am grown up and understand what was taken from the Indians and done to them, I’m a bit more balanced, even as I enjoy what the Cowboys “won” for me. I once would have rooted for Custer at Little Big Horn, but no more.
unclesmrgol on September 23, 2009 at 2:04 PM
One could hope, but it a fools hope as the odds (40 to 1 as NickelandDime suggest) favor it not happening.
I’ll put my 2 cents in:
Anyone who thinks A’jad hasn’t denied the Holocaust needs to read up on his statements.
Holocaust deniers do exist in Israel sadly. Some Israelis even do this.
Fact is, there are so many witnesses, and so much evidence that this took place documented by both the Germans, and the other nations, that to deny it is to be either ignorant of history, or so foolish as to become almost vile and evil for it.
It’s a mad mad mad mad mad world when Canada has more leadership and guts than the US on this one point.
And right now I’m a very angry man for it.
Chaz706 on September 23, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Addresses to the General Assembly are not position statements in a debate. Nobody gets up and rebuts another head of state’s position. The very selection of those given the platform of the GA is political. It’s nothing more than a platform for pontification and propaganda.
ProfessorMiao on September 23, 2009 at 2:07 PM
True words spoken.
Chaz706 on September 23, 2009 at 2:09 PM
He sat and listened to Ortega go on with hate against America and it’s people so why should this be any different. I would not be surprised if he gets the chance to bow to one of them that he will! Facist, commie pig that he is.
He has today gone too far. Standing in front of the worst dictators of the world and once again putting this great land down. As Rush said at the top of his show. This man HAS DONE NOTHING to add to the greatness of this country. All he has done and those with him is SUCK the teet of the advantages given to him by it.
He makes me puke, and from now on I WILL NOT refer to him as the president of anything other than the two hold shit house he is running at the white house.
I tried to give him a chance to be an American, but he has broken the last straw with me.
THIS FRAUD IS NOT MY PRESIDENT
patriotparty1 on September 23, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Subsunk, I haven’t read you in a little while. It’s good to hear from you. Oh and another thing:
+100
Blacksmith8 on September 23, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Nahhh, what I would do when nutjob started his inane screed, take off my head phones, & start talking to the peron next to me (he can always get a transcript later)
Ladywolfnl on September 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM
It is getting more difficult to separate the tards from the Muslims at HA. The convergence is complete.
Ever have the urge to dry your own feces and put it in the unbelievers medicine?
BL@KBIRD on September 23, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Ah-sneazed-on-mah-dinner-jacket is delusional. Everybody knows that. So what? He denies the Holocaust. Why? I’ll tell you why. Brownie points. He’s sucking up to the Mullahs and the Told’yahs. I compare it to flame bait. He knows it’s incendiary. He lobs it anyway. The Jews flare, I flare, but best of all for him is the cheering crowds. How many of the cheering crowd support the opposition? Some of them no doubt. At the end of the day, it’s still the religion of peace and the verse of the sword. He’s just preaching to the choir. He says wipe the Jews from the earth and they lap it up.
btw: They like it, don’t they?
Blacksmith8 on September 23, 2009 at 2:29 PM
A debate? The moment the US is reduced to debating over whether or not the Holocaust happened is the moment we lose.
Even assuming your correct, how does he use the word “lie” then? What about when he says he won’t accept the claim from Europeans that it happened?
You still haven’t answered for those.
You left out the rest of the sentence. “If it truly happened.” That’s his entire point. If the Holocaust actually happened, then why is Israel in the Middle East (where Israel used to have a nation, as opposed to building a nation among those who tried to exterminate them).
And no, Palestine is only suffering from self inflicted wounds.
Esthier on September 23, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Can’t a man just eat his cruller?
NickelAndDime on September 23, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Proud to be a Canadian today.
Why does it look like they gave PM Harper a spot in the cafeteria to deliver his address?
caygeon on September 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM
It’s a shame when the POTUS gets one’upped in the Brass Ones in front of the entire world.
theRealMcCoy on September 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Me too. Generally I think Harper is great on foreign policy, although he has sided with Zelaya and against Honduras on that issue only, it seems, because Honduras ejected him from the country.
ProfessorMiao on September 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
+1000.
Well said, Esthier.
ProfessorMiao on September 23, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I’m Canadian and a Conservative. I’m glad Harper had the guts to clearly state what the US and other countries should say as well. Remember, we had a Canadian citizen, on a trip to Iran, a woman with Iranian heritage, who took some pictures in Iran, was arrested, imprisoned and accused of being a spy…. which was bs. She was beaten to death, buried there against the family in Canada’s wishes, then exhumed and found to have broken bones, burns, nails ripped out, etc. The facts were first covered up and then admitted and a colonel was charged, then the charges were dropped and the case closed. This happened only a year or so ago. Obama will probably bow to this dolt as well.
PhilipJames on September 23, 2009 at 3:02 PM
I’m jealous of those with dual Canadian and US citizenship. Seems like that might come in handy.
PrincipledPilgrim on September 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM
The US should arrest this a-hole and Gadafi and charge them with the death of American citizens.
lavell12 on September 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Noooo it’s Tim Horton’s!! The exact one that I worked in throughout high school .. he’s in my hometown of Oakville (Timmies world headquarters)
CityFish on September 23, 2009 at 3:24 PM
For the US not to walk out is a blight on our reputation. BO, who is responsible for it, is a lying traitorous SOB.
proconstitution on September 23, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Esthier:
OK. Let’s look at this quote. You quoted this earlier as follows:
This is from December 8, 2005. The AP quoted the first part as follows:
This is from Lexis Nexis, but the beginning of the article, including most of what I quoted, can be seen here:
accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-11983096_ITM
Notice that in the AP quote, there is absolutely nothing about Ahmadinejad saying “we don’t accept this claim”. Weird, huh.
In another AP article by a different author, it says:
Once again, nothing about “we don’t accept this claim”. CAMERA says that the AP intentionally left this part out, and other news sources reported it, such as WaPo, Times (London), etc. A “whitewash”:
blog.camera.org/archives/2005/12/ap_whitewashes.html
But let’s look where this quote came from originally. On Lexis, the first occurence of this is from Xinhua General News Service, on December 8, 2005 Thursday 5:30 PM EST:
Western News agencies picked up the quote from Xinhua, and started publishing it the next day, the 9th. Xinhua is your source for this quote. What is their source?? Their source is Iranian news outlets. You can look up these sources on Lexis. Xinhua got their quote from an Iranian source which was reprinted by the BBC here:
BBC Monitoring Middle East – Political
Supplied by BBC Worldwide Monitoring
December 8, 2005 Thursday
Iran president proposes “creation of Zionist state” in Europe
Here is what the original Iranian source says:
I highlighted the parts of interest. The AP quoted the passage correctly, and of course, CAMERA berated them for quoting it correctly. What the Western news sources did was to lie. The part about “we don’t accept this” refers to the previous sentence, which is “Europeans believe they should support the forces which occupies Qods, since the Jews were victimized in World War II”. Ahmadinejad does “not accept” Europeans saying that Iran should support Israel.
This is a good example of my point. Everything you read in the Western media is fabricated. Take a good look at what they did here. They are lying to you, and you believe every word.
dave742 on September 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Canada, you rock.
balkanmom2 on September 23, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Esthier:
Those three dots that Xinhua (and the Western News agencies) put in their quote before the part that says “we, however, don’t accept this” sure deletes an important part, huh.
Unbelievable.
dave742 on September 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Stephen Harper just verbally b*tch slapped 0bama.
4shoes on September 23, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Dear Canadia:
We would like to propose a trade. We’ll give you President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and a player to be named later for Harper and a case of Molsen.
Thank you for your consideration.
America.
Texas74 on September 23, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Holy cr@p, dave742 is still hijacking the thread? What’s up with that?
4shoes on September 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM
4shoes:
I just showed an obvious example of the media lying to you so that you will hate Ahmadinajed. Do you care? Do you like being lied to?
dave742 on September 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM
To all of you Holocaust deniers who have posted your reprehensible filth on this site – you have only further proved how much you have your collective heads in the sand or up in another orifice. If the latter is the case, I would strongly suggest that you get a plasectomy so you could see clearly through your stomach. On second thought, the plasectomy will not reverse the lobotomy or abject stupidity that you have displayed in your ridiculous posts. So it is probably a waste of time.
There is no debate here because the Holocaust did occur and there is irrefutable evidence to back that up. For starters, the German government recognizes the Holocaust happened. There is even a monument to the Holocaust outside the German parliament. If that is not enough, you can venture down towards Munich and visit Bergen Belsen which is less than a 45 minute train ride away. There, you will see the first hand the ovens and the gas chambers among the barracks buildings. Don’t forget to look up above the gate when you enter where you can read how “work will set you free.” And don’t forget to read the plaques that describe what happened to the people who were imprisoned there. Also, don’t forget to read how the U.S. Army liberated that camp. If you are still confused about the Holocaust, take a trip east to Poland and visit Auschwitz. Since you holocaust deniers are either “peace loving” Muslims or communists, perhaps you will give more credence to the Holocaust since the Soviet Army liberated that camp. And, according to your Dear Leader Comrade Obama – his grandfather was there to liberate the Jews at Auschwitz – even though he was in the U.S. Army. Remember during the campaign how Barry described how deeply moved he was of his typical white uncle’s experience liberating the death camp with the Soviet Army.
And on this of all days that this topic comes up, Barry Obama Soetoro is lecturing the U.N. on how Israel has no right to build more settlements. I say – good for you Israel! Keep building and know that the usurper does not speak for most Americans – not me.
On a final note, I worked in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries. One of the most shocking things that I learned is that one of the top Google searches for peace loving Muslim teenager is Adolf Hitler. That shows you the mentality there. Of course, we do not criticize the Tragic Kingdom enough because of the oil but that is for another discussion.
Just to recap: You idiotic Holocaust deniers make me sick and you should be ashamed of yourselves. If you can’t go to Germany or Poland, just go to the library or one of the Holocaust and/or tolerance museums that are in many cities that chronicle those events that occurred in Europe from the 1930s until 1945. However you respond, I know that debating with idiot Holocaust deniers is a complete and utter waste of time. Shame on you!
globalmagnetic on September 23, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Of course we would nto work out…if we had a backbone, none of those terrorists would be in this country to begin with!!!! We put our on citizens through hell to get in and out of the airport to prevent terrorism, yet we freely allow these idiots to come to NYC. What is wrong with us?
walker_ro on September 23, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Leadership. Very impressive.
Green Muse on September 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Correction to above post:
Of course we would NOT WALK out…if we had a backbone, none of those terrorists would be in this country to begin with!!!! We put our own citizens through hell to get in and out of the airport to prevent terrorism, yet we freely allow these idiots to come to NYC. What is wrong with us?
walker_ro on September 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Well done Canada!
try again later on September 23, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Prime Minister Harper is a straight-forward, no-frills, plain-spoken kind of leader. I was delighted to see him become P.M., and appreciate having him at the helm of our neighboring nation. The only thing that troubles me about this video is the amount of grey hair he’s gotten since he took office.
Jill1066 on September 23, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Quit recycling Arab League talking points, PLO. No one is buying.
runner on September 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM
dave742 was inspired by bin Ladin’s latest video. hard to stop such fervor.
runner on September 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM
In between Johnson, Carter and Clinton.
Dr. ZhivBlago on September 23, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Runner:
Exactly the response I was expecting.
dave742 on September 23, 2009 at 4:08 PM
here is another : you are a f8ucking Holocaust denier and an antisemite, your pathetic attempts to spread your filth here are transparent. But, the Arab League thanks you for your efforts, the check is in the mail.
runner on September 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Everyone following this thread please take a look at this post. That detailed, obviously researched, and even foot noted post was authored by someone who remains “undecided” on the most widely reported, documented, and evident crime against humanity the world has ever produced.
Insanity at its finest.
anuts on September 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Good for Harper. Meanwhile Obama will probably be throwing kisses to the dictator.
Bush knew how to stand up to guys like this.
Terrye on September 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Exactamundo! “Palestine” is a mythical place or thing that exists in the minds of The Left.
SouthernGent on September 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Is that Kosher meat behind him? He’s controlled by the JOOOOOOOOOOS!
SouthernGent on September 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM
And tomorrow night, I shall be raising a glass of Canadian beer in honor of this leader.
Mr. Prime Minister, you are welcome in our country any time.
thank you!
ted c on September 23, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Haven’t read all the comments, but has Drywall weighed in yet?
After all, he claims to be a Conservative Member of Parliament in Canada… LMAO
Norwegian on September 23, 2009 at 4:17 PM
I’ve seen enough things about Ahmedinerjerk to be quite certain I hate him. What does that have to do with hijacking this thread again.? Oh and by the way, the left-leaning media’s agenda does not include lying to the public to make us hate him, if anything it would lie to try to make us like him.
4shoes on September 23, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Speaking of Americans who know how to stand up to holocaust denying anti Semites, I thought this was an interesting little piece from The Examiner:
Terrye on September 23, 2009 at 4:18 PM
This man is obviously speaking about Bizarro Ahmadinejad because President Obama would have nothing to do with the man this *sniff* Canadian is talking about.
Right?
catmman on September 23, 2009 at 4:20 PM
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