Videos: Medicare Advantage consumers will lose benefits

posted at 1:36 pm on September 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Instead of updating this morning’s link, I’m going to use these two videos to expand on a couple of points made by Senate Financial Committee staffer Shawn Bishop and CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf yesterday in testimony on Capitol Hill. In the second video, Elmendorf quantifies the amount of benefits lost, but I first want to address Ms. Bishop’s argument to Senator Orrin Hatch. Apparently, she didn’t get the “if you like your current coverage” memo from the White House:

No one is saying that the cuts to Medicare Advantage (about $113 billion over ten years) will impact the Medicare program, although other more extensive “savings” certainly will. Medicare Advantage plans are bought by Medicare patients to extend benefits and coordinate with Medicare. The only reason to purchase them in the first place is to get better coverage than what Medicare provides. Arguing that people won’t lose anything because Medicare requires insurers to meet the same requirements as Medicare is a big red herring. MA consumers will lose a significant amount of extended benefits, for which they pay premiums.

Do you recall the many occasions when Barack Obama said, “If you like your current plan, you can keep it”? Why doesn’t that apply to Medicare Advantage consumers?

How much of those extended benefits will they lose? Douglas Elmendorf testifies that it’s about half of the value of Medicare Advantage plans:

In fact, the program will become so unattractive that people will quit buying the policies in the future, although existing consumers may keep them in the short term. Currently, between 20%-25% of all Medicare enrollees buy Medicare Advantage plans, which means that these changes impact a lot of people.

As far as Medicare A & B go, there are another set of spending cuts in store there as well. The Obama administration has proposed $500 billion in overall cuts to Medicare (including Advantage), which leaves roughly $390 billion for A & B over ten years. That’s about 8% of a program that supposedly runs more efficiently than insurers (according to Obama) because it doesn’t have to pay the profit margin in the industry — which runs at 3.3%. If Medicare is truly that efficient and effective, then the 8% cuts will have to result from care rationing or benefit reductions, especially when Obama proposes expanding Medicare and Medicaid to get universal coverage.

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OT palate cleanser…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UksfV5V7R20

ninjapirate on September 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Doug Elmendorf is a brave dude.

Mr. D on September 23, 2009 at 1:42 PM

All us older ones need to be informed of this asap. We vote! aarp is not our friend.
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letget on September 23, 2009 at 1:42 PM

But, according to Mr. President, this was a myth, a falsehood. What are we supposed to believe, what Obama says? Or the truth? /sarc

kingsjester on September 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Elmendorf needs to stay away from Fort Marcy Park.

spmat on September 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM

The man talks too much about everything, and as a result, has contradicted himself over and over.

If anyone has heard the Wolf Blitzer/Axelrod interview, you notice Axelrod give the same answer to ever question, even follow ups (something about choice and consurmers and good). This administration is strictly sticking to the talking points because they have no substance to back them up.

The People are seeing it and frankly, im concerned about how this administration will respond as it gets worse.

uknowmorethanme on September 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM

DEATH PANEL.

portlandon on September 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Benefits should be reduced to zero for all involved.

Trent1289 on September 23, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Of course, AARP will sell more programs to replace Medicare Advantage, so they have a monetary advantage in killing the program. As to members that like Advantage, piss off.

Harry Schell on September 23, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Holy CRAP! Don’t let Humana heat any of this!

tree hugging sister on September 23, 2009 at 1:45 PM

HEAR any of this, sheesh.

just DON’T.

tree hugging sister on September 23, 2009 at 1:45 PM

thank you so much for this post Ed. I think this is THE single most important thing to hammer home on this plan. It TAKES care from Seniors to give to others. That is not the American Way. And to GUT a Medicare plan is CERTAINLY not the way of the Democratic Party that had me call the Hill whenever a GOP member or POTUS tried to cut Medicare.

The Seniors are IMO the only people who can stop this and they are the people with the most guts, common sense and intolerance for BS as well in my experience.

Everyone pls call your Critters and say NO CUTS TO MEDICARE
I know it may seem odd at first for some GOP peeps but curbing cost increases to keep the deficit down and keep the plan funded which IIRC is what GW was trying to do, and cutting benefits to give them to people who CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO SIGN UP FOR MEDICAID is unacceptable.

and Pls call every one you know who is a Senior, loves a Senior, or would one day like to live long enough to BE a senior and have them call their critters too!

ginaswo on September 23, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Since when is the government going to cut spending in anything. They just don’t know how. Also, when is obie going to cut the $500B in waste and fraud from medicare.

rjoco1 on September 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Nice family you got there Mr. Elmendorf, sure would hate to see anything happen to them…

d1carter on September 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM

sorry that came out wrong:

curbing cost increases to keep the deficit down and keep the plan funded which IIRC is what GW was trying to do, and cutting benefits to give them to people who CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO SIGN UP FOR MEDICAID are two TOTALLY different things and this Baucus /TOTUS plan to gut Medicare Advantage is totally unacceptable

ginaswo on September 23, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Only Democrats would expect people to believe that cuts to Medicare and influx of Boomers means better service. Doctors can’t afford to treat Medicare folks if most of them don’t have bridge insurance. I hate it when Washington thinks people are stupid.

Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 1:50 PM

MA consumers will lose a significant amount of extended benefits, for which they pay premiums.

For which some pay premiums, to be completely accurate. Three of the five MA plans offered by my health insurance company employer have zero premium. Imagine their surprise when they get kicked into straight Medicare and have to pay well above zero for a Medicare Supplement that may just get their benefits back to the level they have under MA.

Oh wait, I screwed that up. Meant to say: Imagine their surprise when they get kicked into straight Medicare and have pay well above zero for a Medicare Supplement AND well above zero for Part D Pharmacy that may just get their benefits back to the level they have under MA.

Sorry, my bad…

Tongueboy on September 23, 2009 at 1:51 PM

I mean of ALL the blatant hypocrisy I am getting from the Dem leadership THIS is THE SINGLE BIGGEST flip flop in their history of governance in my lifetime IMO

I do not understand how a SINGLE Democrat, people who have been pure hexx on me since I could not back TOTUS BTW, I do not get how a single one of them can with a straight face and pure heart tell us it is the best thing for Americans health to gut Medicare Advantage benefits.

expecting of course our concern for human rights and freedom and AfPak engagement which TOTUS is currently dismantling

ginaswo on September 23, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Disguised Death Panels.

Knucklehead on September 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Harry Schell on September 23, 2009 at 1:44 PM

yes that is in the WSJ I think hang on..

ginaswo on September 23, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Oh my God – are you trying to tell me that the Messiah, duly crowned in a Greek temple, along with Mrs. Messiah, duly not working at a $300,000/year job as a community organizer for a 10-bed hospital for which she doesn’t have to “report to the office” with her $10,000 handbag – and she’s “not proud of America” – are you trying to tell me that The One has lied to us! On this? On everything? Then he was born in Nigeria….err Russia…..err….Kenya………..hell the fool lies about everything, at least he’s consistent! Got to love those Dems.

Cinday Blackburn on September 23, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Humana facing the death panels?

seven on September 23, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Isn’t Medicare “socialism” anyway?

Decider on September 23, 2009 at 1:55 PM

How long before elmendorf is replaced with a czar?

SHARPTOOTH on September 23, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Do you recall the many occasions when Barack Obama said, “If you like your current plan, you can keep it”? Why doesn’t that apply to Medicare Advantage consumers?

Same goes for people (like me) with HSAs.

Joe Caps on September 23, 2009 at 1:55 PM

So let’s see, government run healthcare already is full of waste & fraud to the tune of $500 billion over ten years, but getting everyone on Obamacare is going to make it incredibly efficent & transparent?

You know, I have a few bridges to sell that could pay off the debt in ten years. . .

rbj on September 23, 2009 at 1:56 PM

I’m pretty sure that this wraps up the HHS “investigation” into Humana.

Oh wait, they are going after Humana because the flyer potentially could possibly cause the reader to maybe think that the flyer just might have been an official communication from Medicare.

uknowmorethanme on September 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Elmendorf needs to stay away from Fort Marcy Park.

spmat on September 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Aspirin, too.

Joe Caps on September 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Oh, forgot to mention the medical appointment transportation benefit that most MA plans offer. Sorry, you old cripples, you’ll just have to take a taxi now…

And the eyewear benefits. Sorry, you blind old buggers…

And the disease management services for complex and/or chronic conditions. I’ll bet Ed could tell us all about that…

Many thanks to Barry for trampling our senior citizens in his rush to demonize the insurance companies providing these benefits.

Tongueboy on September 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Per Baucas: To the gulag with the CBO. How DARE they!!!!

capejasmine on September 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM

dammit I cant find it. it broke out AARPs enrollment and how the Medicare Advantage cuts would drive the growth of THEIR supplemental coverage which they advertise for ad nauseum..

ginaswo on September 23, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Obama would “save” 200,000 jobs if he stopped this proposal.

The MA industry employees wouldn’t lose their jobs.

Hey, great idea. Propose a 2000% increase in payroll taxes and let the CBO score the number of people that would be unemployed. They take it off the table and he would have “saved millions of jobs.”

barnone on September 23, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Got to love those Dems.

If by “got to love” you mean hating every last greasy gut of every last worthless, corrupt and incompetent pinko Democrat politician, I’m all on board.

NoDonkey on September 23, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Are Shawn Bishop and Rachel Maddow twins?

BuckeyeSam on September 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Many thanks to Barry for trampling our senior citizens in his rush to demonize the insurance companies providing these benefits.

Tongueboy on September 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM

These are the sacrifices expected of everyone to prop up, and make this lying, narcississtic, inept, foolish, vain, insipid, selfish, delusional tyrant wannabe, look good. *sigh*

capejasmine on September 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Shawn Bishop must be Lani Guinier’s sister.

SouthernGent on September 23, 2009 at 2:04 PM

ginaswo on September 23, 2009 at 2:01 PM

It is over at MM’s site.

d1carter on September 23, 2009 at 2:05 PM

I wonder if this isn’t all a big rope-a-dope attempt by Democrats to get some Republicans – any Republicans – to agree to a bill with huge Medicare cuts, so they can turn around next year and run attack ads accusing Republicans of cutting Medicare. I sincerely hope there are not any Republicans dumb enough to fall for this. Republicans have a golden opportunity to capture huge majorities of elder voters for the next 20 years, which will make it extremely difficult for Democrats to win states like Florida and Pennsylvania in the next Senate and Presidential elections.

rockmom on September 23, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Urkel is going to have a hard time selling this to the Seniors.

Old Hippie Vet on September 23, 2009 at 2:08 PM

dammit I cant find it. it broke out AARPs enrollment and how the Medicare Advantage cuts would drive the growth of THEIR supplemental coverage which they advertise for ad nauseum..

ginaswo on September 23, 2009 at 2:01 PM

It’s at http://www.spectator.org. Michelle Malkin picked it up and wrote about it this morning. Republicans are demanding that AARP disclose in all of its lobbying and advocacy ads that it has a financial stake in this legislation. Alinsky’s rule – make your enemy live up to its own standards.

rockmom on September 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Ohh , you mean those “Death panels” .

the_nile on September 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM

We all must sacrifice in order to make hope and change, yes we can.

Hening on September 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM

ginaswo on September 23, 2009 at 2:01 PM

From MM’s site:

* A review of its financial statements finds that in 2008, AARP received more than half a billion dollars in revenue from selling products like Medigap supplemental insurance policies-$652.7 million in direct “royalties and fees,” and an increase of more than 31 percent from the $497.6 million in similar revenue AARP generated in 2007.

* Royalty revenues now comprise more than half-60.3 percent-of all AARP revenues; a Bloomberg news analysis published in December found that in 1999, royalties comprised only 11 percent of the organization’s total revenues.

Full article here: http://michellemalkin.com/

ROCnPhilly on September 23, 2009 at 2:11 PM

This just in:

Dems nix posting the Healthcare Bill Online before vote.

Maybe dems found out what happens when the people read a bill that the dems won’t.

Lousy cretins. A pox on their house.

Chaz706 on September 23, 2009 at 2:13 PM

We all must sacrifice in order to make hope and change, yes we can.

Hening on September 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I’ll sacrifice you……

………………………works for me.

Old Hippie Vet on September 23, 2009 at 2:13 PM

No suprise here.

sonofdy on September 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Old people should just go off and die . Very few of them voted for Obambi . What the hell good are they ?

borntoraisehogs on September 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Republicans are demanding that AARP disclose in all of its lobbying and advocacy ads that it has a financial stake in this legislation. Alinsky’s rule – make your enemy live up to its own standards.

rockmom on September 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Republicans need to demand Obama disclose all the specifics on all the deals he’s made. AARP and the Pharm industry are just two we know about. After all, he’s playing with taxpayer money.

ROCnPhilly on September 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Republicans need to demand Obama disclose all the specifics on all the deals he’s made. AARP and the Pharm industry are just two we know about. After all, he’s playing with taxpayer money.

ROCnPhilly on September 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Tha People need to DEMAND!

Old Hippie Vet on September 23, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Chaz706 on September 23, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Democrats are worried people will find out it’s written in crayon on construction paper and mainly consists of photographs of Barney Frank’s love interests.

So I can understand the reluctance.

NoDonkey on September 23, 2009 at 2:26 PM

NoDonkey on September 23, 2009 at 2:26 PM

You owe me a new monitor Jr.

Old Hippie Vet on September 23, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Apparently Kent Conrad actually made a statement that only 5% of people can actually understand legislative language anyway, so it won’t matter if they pass an “outline” and never give it to the public to read.

And we are racist if this pisses us off?????

rockmom on September 23, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Are Shawn Bishop and Rachel Maddow twins?

BuckeyeSam on September 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Shawn Bishop must be Lani Guinier’s sister.

SouthernGent on September 23, 2009 at 2:04 PM

They are all identical triplets. They all have the same tastes in “life partners” and they all love to tell stories when they were kids when the neighborhood kids would have all 3 of them dress up and pretend to be in a Miss Hideous Pageant

Jeff from WI on September 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Isn’t Medicare “socialism” anyway?

Decider on September 23, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Shhhhhh. It’s funny to read all the posts where Ed talks about the virtues of Medicare Advantage while the commenters below deride socializing health care.

tneloms on September 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Medicare is socialism and royally messed up. So is social security and medicaid. That is what makes this entire healthcare reform RRRAAAAACCCCIIIIISSSTT.

meMC on September 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Many thanks to Barry for trampling our senior citizens in his rush to demonize the insurance companies providing these benefits.

Tongueboy on September 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM

What makes you think it was incidental to the rush to demonize the insurance companies. Given the body of writings of his various advisers imho it was the intent of the change.

chemman on September 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM

WOW…..Sarah was right!

BigMike252 on September 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM

What’s one more bankrupt/failed program to the ones we already have? Let it be you darn racists.

Of course, you have to keep seeing Barry’s face repeating the same talking points because he’s the only dumbass who can’t decipher his own myths or has not broken his memorex tape.
/s

meMC on September 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Ed talks about the virtues of Medicare Advantage

Not “virtues”, it’s a way people have of making this crapbag ponzi scheme program work.

If you’re an old person who needs medical insurance, try going it alone without Medicare. This bloated gorilla has crowded out every alternative from the private market, just as Barry dreams his “public option” will.

The Dems destroyed the private option and now marvel at how many people “love” the idiotic scheme they’ve left standing as the only option. And one that is going bankrupt at a terrifying pace.

But I guess this qualifies as yet another Democrat “success”.

NoDonkey on September 23, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Buy a traditional Medicare Supplement Plan F from me. See any doctor, go to any hospital, you pay ZERO!

If I could get it I certainly would.

ThackerAgency on September 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Understand too that this government program has only been available for 5 years. Look at the issues they are having in cutting it.

There is no way that a new government plan would ever go away. It’s best not to create one in the first place.

ThackerAgency on September 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Can’t get the video at work, but the chick on the screen cap looks like she got her hair stuck in a house fan.

Jaibones on September 23, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Isn’t Medicare “socialism” anyway?

Decider on September 23, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Shhhhhh. It’s funny to read all the posts where Ed talks about the virtues of Medicare Advantage while the commenters below deride socializing health care.

tneloms on September 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Medicare is socialism, and it is going broke at breakneck speed. Expanding it surely is the answer, no?

SS and Medicare are huge mistakes made by social engineering do-good democrats. They cannot be undone easily. To add to a mistake is not by any stretch of the imagination a way to make any of this better.

When you have some ideas about how to make the current Social Security and Medicare systems solvent, apply them and show us that they work; then we won’t throw rocks at you when you start proposing even further entitlements.

I don’t know why I bother.

hillbillyjim on September 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Apparently Kent Conrad actually made a statement that only 5% of people can actually understand legislative language anyway, so it won’t matter if they pass an “outline” and never give it to the public to read.

Kent Conrad can go Barney Frank himself.

I’m confident that I’m smarter than any douchebag in Congress, their jackass staffs or anyone in the White House. So is any adult American who isn’t fool enough to vote for a gd’ed Democrat.

These a-holes in Congress really take the cake. The all need their ears boxed.

NoDonkey on September 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

The Democrats have had complete control of both houses and the White House since January. Any reason why they haven’t already cut their magic $500 billion of waste and fraud from Medicare? Don’t blame the Republicans; they don’t have controlling majorities of anything; Democrats do. So put up or shut up.

WHY HASN’T THIS ALREADY BEEN DONE IF IT IS IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY?

Um, because it’s bullshxt? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

If the Jug-eared Jesus and his minions wouldn’t treat ordinary Americans as if they were complete idiots, they would have a much easier time of it.

Stop lying to us. At least stop lying to us so poorly.

hillbillyjim on September 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM

As a physician and conservative, I have to admit that I tend to side with the Dems on this point–the extra 14% that the government has to pay to keep Medicare Advantage programs running (compared to Medicare fee-for-service) is money that can, and probably should, be cut. Of course MA gives seniors more benefits: it costs more tax dollars.

But is the government getting what it pays for? I am approached constantly by MA plans that want me to see their patients–for LESS than what Medicare pays. One local MA group wanted to hire me to be their full-time, exclusive ophthalmologist–at an annual salary of roughly what the average ophthalmologist makes in four months.

What is the quality of doctor that would agree to such a contract? I think you can figure that one out for yourself. I have literally hundreds of patients who are on the local MA plans who pay cash to come and see me, rather than see the ‘doctor’ they have to see on their MA plan. I do end up having to take care of the MA doctors’ messes when I’m on call, and it represents an inordinate amount of time and effort.

In the case of MA plans, quite simply, I don’t think the government is getting what it pays extra for. Some patients disagree, as is their right. I, for one, would rather see that extra money put into the general pool to help keep Medicare solvent and decrease the deficit, while allowing all patients to ‘vote with their feet’ and see the doctor they thought would take the best care of them, rather than the one that they are forced to see on their MA plan.

My two cents, and worth every penny of what you paid for it.

EyeSurgeon on September 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM

hillbillyjim on September 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Yes, you would think that someone would ask this.

Do they have a “plan” to address waste, fraud and abuse and if so, what is it?

Because the Democrats have held Congress since 2006 and in the meantime, they’ve dealt with important matters such as shoveling a trillion dollars of taxpayer dollars to far left, Democrat donors.

So now that they’ve crapped the bed on that issue, how about doing something that’s actually beneficial?

Associate this with their highly touted “low administrative costs” for Medicare. That’s because they pretty much pay any bill that comes across their desk.

So if they start actually reading the fine print in each of the millions of bills they receive, guess what? Administrative costs will explode, you think?

And many of these fraudalent billings come from exactly the sort of inner city, mental health nonsense organizations who are cozy with the Obama campaign. Think they’ll root out fraud there? Please.

NoDonkey on September 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM

In reply to eyesurgeon – my parents have Medicare Advantage, and it is the best plan that they have ever had since they entered their senior years. We live in the Cleveland area and they are allowed to choose from a list of doctors, and on that list are all Cleveland Clinic physicians. So, it’s not that they are getting sub-standard choices of doctors, though I’m sure that in some cities, that might be the case, so I can’t completely argue your point there. However, my aunt and uncle for instance – they are on regular Medicare and have a supplement and they have more problems with that scenario that my parents ever have had on Medicare Advantage.

Also, another uncle of mine wanted to sign up for Medicare Advantage last year – before the election – and he was told that there was a temporary block on allowing anyone to sign up for it. Did the insurance companies know something even before the election? Seems to me that they did.

oneconcernedcitizen on September 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Medicare Advantage is an excellent option for Medicare recipients. One of the best things about it IS THE FACT the private insurance company essentially takes over as the primary insurer as opposed to Medicare (i.e., Govt insurer). It is not the same thing as a medigap/supplemental plan.

Most of those are far more expensive. In fact in any place (or just about!) in the country there are a number of medicare advantage plans available with a $0 additional monthly premium (of course they still pay their part B premium directly to Medicare, $96.40/mo). There are a lot of optioins, and you can choose whether you want a plan/company with an HMO type coverage (more gate keepers to services, but often more overall coverage) or more freedom in a PPO type, for example.

The Baucus bill would by design reduce the benefits to the companies and thereby cause them to stop offering them or lead the customers to cancel them due to high premiums and lack of sufficient benefit coverage. The “you can keep your coverage if you like it” meme is getting more and more absurd. Even if people will be able to keep their plan, it won’t be the same plan for the same reason a good Red Robin burger is delicious for about $9, but would not be the same for $900. It also would not be the same experience if you still paid only $9 but were handed just a bun. [Now if you don't like Red Robin, the analogy works just fine with a Five Guys burger, In-N-Out burger, or your other favorite burger (not sure if this would work for a Veggie Burger, but you can certainly try!) :0) ]

phil81 on September 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Whats great is that these idiots and liars used to get away with this. Even the media is getting in on the action occasionally.

The folks are tired of the cronies running this government and look for a bunch of them to get sent home next election.

I absolutely don’t care if they send em all home and get some all new blood. This crowd is getting boring.

bluegrass on September 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM

These Liberal friggin idiots
cant run the 2 billion cash for clunkers program

yet you expect them to miraculousy run
a 500 – 1 TRILLION dollar health care system?

Sure and what crack are you smoking?

they are all corrupt but america if YOU let obama and the dems STEAL your health insurance and replace it with the politburo insurance from russia.. (obama care)

Its all your own damned fault,

veteranoutrage on September 24, 2009 at 2:19 AM

Ms.Bishop waves her arms around like a drunken preschool teacher singing London Bridge. Why does she have a job? We won’t even go into the obvious hygiene challenges she possesses.Sheesh

inevitable on September 24, 2009 at 10:45 AM