Video: ‘Cuda attack in Hong Kong
posted at 4:15 pm on September 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
For a speech that some on the left stupidly maintained was an elaborate “prank,” it sure does seem to have been treated pretty seriously by those who were there (seriously enough, in fact, to inspire two Palin-haters to walk out in a huff). Alas, the event was closed to the press so this tiny clip of her burnishing her “Main Street” credentials ahead of 2012 is the best I can do, but the Journal got hold of the entire vid somehow and published some of the choicer excerpts. She touches on “death panels,” of course, but for my money this is the most significant bit:
Lack of government wasn’t the problem. Government policies were the problem. The marketplace didn’t fail. It became exactly as common sense would expect it to. The government ordered the loosening of lending standards. The Federal Reserve kept interest rates low. The government forced lending institutions to give loans to people who, as I say, couldn’t afford them. Speculators spotted new investment vehicles, jumped on board and rating agencies underestimated risks…
How can we discuss reform without addressing the government policies at the root of the problems? The root of the collapse? And how can we think that setting up the Fed as the monitor of systemic risk in the financial sector will result in meaningful reform? The words “fox” and “hen house” come to mind. The Fed’s decisions helped create the bubble. Look at the root cause of most asset bubbles, and you’ll see the Fed somewhere in the background.
Ending the Fed is currently job one among the Paulnuts and an occasional hobbyhorse for Glenn Beck. Sounds to me like Palin’s positioning herself as the strong-form libertarian rEVOLution alternative to Mitt and Huck. Are the Paulnuts going to cotton to her reputation for social conservatism, though? Seems like an odd match in style, if not in substance, but not a bad strategy all in all.
Palin-skeptics may, perhaps, enjoy Time’s write-up of the event, featuring snotty asides about her “rattling off financial terms of art” and “rambling” about the ancient land bridge that once joined Asia to Alaska. Exit question: Is Sarahcuda really more “Main Street” than Huck? Dude, the guy used to eat squirrel — that he cooked in a popcorn machine. How much more “authentic” can you get? I ask you.
Update: The phrase of the day is, of course, “common sense.”










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Indeed.
Henry Ford couldn’t have said it better himself.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Please don’t remind of what a horrible anti-Semite Henry Ford was!
GM is dead to me.
I’m trying to work up some enthusiasm to get a new Lincoln.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Sarah tried to warn them
But they held their blue noses up high
All the time she warned them
But they only passed her by
She tried to tell them
But I guess they didn’t care
They turned their backs and
Left her standing there
All the destroyed parts of America that have fallen after him
All the lonely feelings and the burning memories
Everything Obama trashed each time he closed a freedom door
Destroyed parts of America lost forevermore
Obama tried to get me to take a job a while ago
When I saw it was just printing more fiat money for his thugs and cronies I didn’t want to go
The party Ronald Reagan gave to me
The Rinos just tore it all away
Now there’s nothing left for me to say
All the destroyed parts of America that have fallen after him
All the lonely feelings and the burning memories
Everything Obama trashed each time he closed a freedom door
Destroyed parts of America lost forevermore
When years have passed they’ll start thinking
What fools they’ve been
They’ll look back into the past and
Think of way back then
They’ll know that America lost everything they thought that it could win
I guess they should have listened to their friends
All the destroyed parts of America that have fallen after him
All the lonely feelings and the burning memories
Everything Obama trashed each time he closed a freedom door
Destroyed parts of America lost forevermore
Destroyed parts of America lost forevermore
MB4 on September 23, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Like the sleddogs mushing to Nome, Alaska to deliver the diptheria serum, Sarah is the Antidate to Obama.
We must gather our dogs and mush to DC and get the antidote there in time for 2012.
Palin/Balto 2012
Sapwolf on September 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM
It is misguided and wrong to blame “neo-con” foreign policy on Jews or a covert Jewish/Zionist conspiracy simply because some of the best articulation of Conservative foreign policy has been written or implemented by men with names like Podhoretz and Wolfowitz.
Neo-Conservative defense and security strategy is nothing but 21st Century Jacksonian Democracy–as American and WASP as apple pie!
Read all about it here(H/T to Steven den Beste):
The Jacksonian Tradition
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 7:43 PM
It’s good to see Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and even Jim DeMint espousing Ron Paul principles lately. I dont’ believe that they are libertarians at least right now, but the word is getting out there.
And it’s due in large part to Ron Paul’s presidential run. That’s were fiscal conservatism and questioning the Fed comes from. Most people hadn’t even heard of liberty three years ago. I hadn’t only 7 years ago. But the ideas are in the mainstream, and the movement has grown beyond what I imagined because these politicians in power have taken abuses of civil liberties and financial liberties too far. Even the support for wars like Afghanistan is as low as ever, which is encouraging.
The Dean on September 23, 2009 at 7:44 PM
I’ve defended Christians endlessly on this site, as others in past have pointed out to you, to no avail. You throwing a fit over a silly ludicrous phrase is unique to you, and has nothing to do with my respect for nearly all Christians, you being one of the obvious exceptions.
Additionally, you don’t need to sell Sarah Palin to me. I supported her throughout the campaign last year, and still like her, even though my occasional criticism has caused worshipers like you to breathe fire for daring to speak ill of her.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Here we have a textbook example of a cultist operating on personality idolatry rather than ideology subscription.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 7:49 PM
I’ve heard about American Liberty from the cradle.
(Not because of that nasty little man Ron Paul.)
My dad fought the Nazis in Germany in the US Army and I’m so proud to say he was a member of the Greatest Generation!
I support the war in Afghanistan and so does Sarah Palin.
If we leave and let the Taliban and Al Queda retake control of that country, it won’t be any time at all before we’re attacked again and 9/11 will look just like a rehearsal for this one.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 7:51 PM
You and your “obligatorys,” Allah Pundit.
You might as well just put, “I can’t stand her,” in the same spot.
I wish you would cut it out.
Alana on September 23, 2009 at 7:51 PM
A
OK, but your criticism of Palin and those of us who support her (complete with our logic and reason) is no more substantive than Esthier’s.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I imply nothing. I state exactly what I believe, no more no less. That you read something into my words is not my problem.
You’ve misunderstood me.
Everything is specious to you.
Just because you don’t appreciate it, it doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with South Park.
Then why do you keep responding to me?
I never said it would take blind loyalty. I’m only accusing you of having it. Two different things, Jen.
And?
And what does that mean for Palin?
Me too. As I already said, I don’t care what the world’s people think of our leader so long as they respect the US as a world leader.
Ask around? Seriously?
You have no idea who you’re talking to. Reducing people to a caricature is childish, especially when you have ample evidence to contradict your claims about me. I’ve been posting here for over three years.
Sure, you got me. I’m actually a liberal.
Esthier on September 23, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Priceless!!! Thanks!
lovingmyUSA on September 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Let’s get it straight.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM
And, Jen, Madison is right. He’s countless times defended Christians and has never once maligned believers.
Of course for someone who thinks I’m a liberal, it’s not a hard stretch to call Madison a Christian hater. You have to be willfully ignorant.
Esthier on September 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM
I’ve eaten squirrel and I love it.
Lanceman on September 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Pot alters your mind, but to be the kind of liberal she thinks I am, I must regularly take acid and crack as well.
In fact… one sec… OK, now where was I? Wait, where am I?
Esthier on September 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM
I was there when you admitted to your music festival ways.
NEVER FORGET.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 8:00 PM
I’d say “libertarian principles” instead, but that word has been watered down so much by anti-libertarians seizing the mantle. Same way “conservative” and even “liberal” (as in classical liberal) are useless now.
But anyway, I don’t agree 100% with Paul, nor someone like Pat Buchanan. Even Paul and Buchanan don’t agree on issues a lot of times.
The Dean on September 23, 2009 at 8:01 PM
I like Southpark fine.
But it doesn’t work for me on this thread.
Because you keep attacking me?
No.
Her record is there.
Her writings are discoverable.
Her speeches are on YouTube.
There’s nothing “blindly loyal” about it, really.
But she is the only articulate, Conservative and aggressive spokesperson this country has right now that is standing between Obama and the complete ruin of this great republic.
It puts her in the hot seat of leading the “Loyal Opposition” to NObama’s attempt to establish governmental tyranny and Socialism here at home.
Don’t look now, but they don’t.
I’m not impressed.
I started reading and posting on Hot Air when it was a different blog with only AP.
He had a blog and so did I and we linked to each other.
That was 5 years ago (at least).
So what?
BTW, no one who cites Southpark as a reference has any room to call anyone “childish… who reduces people to caricature.”
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Everyone here knows you’re the commie, not Esthier.
BadgerHawk on September 23, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Just to make it easy here is the excerpts to Gov. Palin’s speech.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/23/excerpts-of-sarah-palins-speech-to-investors-in-hong-kong/
Clyde5445 on September 23, 2009 at 8:05 PM
PALIN 2012!!!
WOOT!!!
christene on September 23, 2009 at 8:06 PM
You mean like Ed has, on multiple occasions? Please, get over yourself. South Park is one of the only conservative/libertarian shows producing satire and parody on television today.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Agreed, but Esthier needs to either praise the technique or bemoan it.
But not both at the same time.
Homey don’t play that.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Never once? You don’t think MC has ever written anything that unfairly maligns believers?
Remember, it’s a short step from “saying hateful things” to a presumption of hate.
FWIW, I agree that MC doesn’t hate Christians. There have been a few times, I wondered, though.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on September 23, 2009 at 8:11 PM
…that there is worse than slandering me as anti-religious.
I hate fundamentalists of all stripes, including atheist fundamentalists. However, I’m not stupid enough to pretend nutty idiots like SaintOlaf/MaximusConfessor are nearly as dangerous as the Jihadi f***bags.
Honestly, I find the anti-religion people just as annoying as people like Jenfidel, though. One side endlessly rips on religion, hence one phrase like “Sweet Evil Jesus”, clearly said for ludicrous ironic value, turns Jenfidel into a slandering boob. It’s not entirely her fault, but people need to learn to weed out the mild remarks we all make from time to time from the flat-out hateful rhetoric.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 8:18 PM
MadisonConservative does not bust on believers and has many times taken those who do to task.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 8:20 PM
See the post above yours.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 8:23 PM
May I take a moment to also ask people who are already firmly in Gov. Palin’s camp to ease up on those who have questions. Nine times out of ten it isn’t a reflection on Gov. Palin as a person but the necessity of clearing up questions on policy, media bias and it’s impact on future campaigns or whether she can unite enough people to get elected. All these things are legitimate concerns and you are not helping in the “uniting” area when you go nuts on the questioners. She has three years to show us what she is capable of and you should let her. That’s if she even want to further her political career.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM
No it’s not. And, don’t insult us.
If you think it is, go blog somewhere else.
I’ve watched it numerous times.
It’s basically a raunchy cartoon show of satire.
Sapwolf on September 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM
That’s a lot of people to hate-potentially 2/3 of the planet given the number of fundamentalist Jews, Christians and Muslims.
That’s funny!
I find people like you who opine on their personal religious preferences
annoying, too!
This expression isn’t “ludicrous irony,” it’s profound blasphemy which any true Christians will find highly offensive.
To me, this is hateful rhetoric, not only about Jesus himself, but about Christians, too, because you show so little consideration and civilized manners in using this expression here where you know for certain that other posters who believe in Jesus and love him will see it.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Sorry, I don’t see a problem with his statement in respect to mine.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 8:30 PM
I do agree with you on Olaf. He definitely crosses the line.
Sapwolf on September 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Are you blind?
He’s busting on me now for being a “Believer.”
Or do you personally not get abused by him?
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 8:32 PM
“The Fed’s decisions helped create the bubble.”
…. Grand Canyon ….
“Ending the Fed”
Wow, AP, that’s quiet a jump you’ve got set up there. Good luck.
chimney sweep on September 23, 2009 at 8:36 PM
No, I’m busting on you for busting on me over a comedic phrase. Then again, since you and others like Sapwolf seem to bristle at modern comedy, it seems pointless to try to pull the sequoias from your rumps.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 8:36 PM
So if you perceive a Christian to be a fundamentalist Christian, then “hate” is the right word.
Except “fundamentalist” Christian means a Christian who believes the fundamentals of the faith, which takes in, well, everyone except the “Christians in Name Only.”
But you use fundamentalist as a pejorative for “inflexible” or “vocal.” So even when you say you hate fundamentalists, it depends on what you mean by fundamentalists.
So even though you don’t necessarily hate Christians, and will under the right circumstances defend them, you can’t very well claim someone’s a lunatic or crazy for thinking you hate at least some Christians.
“Fundamentalist” really doesn’t mean anything by itself. It has to reference the fundamentals of something. Fundamentalist Muslim is not the same as fundamentalist Christian, which is not the same as fundamentalist atheist.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on September 23, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Oh good lord, are you deluded. I get the feeling you don’t even know what fundamentalist means, or else you’re just trying to hope that that many people are as gonzo as you.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Sorry, I have a hard time thinking anyone gets abused on a blog. You don’t know these people and they don’t know you. And even I, as a believer, get a little tired of being told that the way I believe is inferior to someone’s faith. As I a matter of fact I would rather be called a fairytale believer by an atheist then be told I don’t meet some other believers standards. After all we all know who’s standards we must meet.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 8:38 PM
I hate Michael Savage. Ann Coulter puts me off somewhat. Does that mean I hate conservatives, or is it even remotely accurate to make that assertion?
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 8:39 PM
You hate Michael Savage??? Run Madison, run!!!!
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Obama kisses our enemies’s asses at the UN while Palin kicks his in the Orient.
The world is backward and upside down.
profitsbeard on September 23, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Well said, Cindy.
As a supporter, (who is not so ardent that I don’t think that it’s legitimate to ask questions,) I worry about how we divide ourselves up.
Think of it this way;
(and he spoke to them thus, with this parable….)
Mrs. Palin is like a young pitching prospect. She has shown great stuff so far, but can’t yet be evaluated over the long haul. She has been in the broad public eye for just a year.
So, there’s lots to point to that’s good, about this new prospect. And, for those that use logic and reason, there’s little in the way of bad news.
All around her are supporters – some with the kind of enthusiasm that only a prospect with star potential can generate.
As well as detractors, who will not see, or admit, that she has anything to recommend her.
But, it is legit to ask: does she have the stuff to put up a solid long-term record?
/parable mode off.
We do ourselves, and our movement, no service when we cut each other, in the name of being right, or winning the argument.
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 8:45 PM
TOO EARLY. But wait, Obama is campaigning mercilessly 24/7 in all drive-by media outlets.
I say, WHY NOT????? Bring it on.
TheAlamos on September 23, 2009 at 8:46 PM
No, I use it as a prejorative for those faithful who don’t simply live their lives and follow their beliefs. That makes up the vast majority of faithful.
Then there are those who go on a crusade when someone does something they perceive as “blasphemy”, whether it’s as trivial as Jenfidel’s smears over a phrase, or as serious as riots over cartoons.
If you don’t know the difference between normal, everyday faithful, or you simply consider those 90+% of people to be heretics, CINOs, or other nonsense…and those that lose their cookies when you offend them, then you needn’t bother trying to understand.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Is Ann Coulter a conservative? If you hate her, and if I had to judge from a post where you bashed Ann Coulter, I might very well get the idea that you hated conservatives.
And that’s just for a single conservative. You’re referencing “hating” all fundamentalist Christians. Even if by “fundamentalist” you really just mean, “Christians I find to be obnoxious.”
Oh, and for the record, “Sweet Zombie Jesus” is an offensive term. I suspect the offensiveness and incongruity of it is part of why you and others think it’s funny, but I really wish you’d quit getting offended by those who find it offensive.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on September 23, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Let’s just call it “returning the favor”.
TheAlamos on September 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Nice straw man, and utterly wrong. I imagine you don’t really care, though.
It’s “Sweet Evil Jesus”, and do you really need it explained to you? Hint: getting the humor requires that you not jump to your idiotic conclusion that I hate Christians.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM
My gut instincts about Gov. Palin are all positive, my suggestions for improvement would be few. But as we know it is seldom all up to the candidate. There are so many outside variables that are outside of her power that it can’t be ignored. If she is left to flower over time she has a better chance of bring more people to her as partners, not worshipers. We don’t want a repeat of what we have now.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Jen…you’re great! You don’t have a match on this board :)
CCRWM on September 23, 2009 at 8:52 PM
So it is used as a pejorative, but “those faithful who don’t simply live their lives and follow their beliefs” sounds an awful lot like those who don’t keep quiet about their fatih. i.e., “vocal.”
And you’re offended by her being offended? This makes her so much worse because ….?
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on September 23, 2009 at 8:53 PM
A hit job against the Big Government fans from both sides of the aisle, ie., Dems and Reps alike.
The speech is not really a main-streeter. It’s very Confusian.
TheAlamos on September 23, 2009 at 8:53 PM
He wubs her… fess up AP…;)
jerrytbg on September 23, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Madison you never add to the discussion you just bring it down to the gutter level… Do you have any friends in “real life” or are you always leaving voicemails? Think about it…
CCRWM on September 23, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Jesus had a rapier wit and would have been more offended by pudeur posing as piousness than mere earthiness of words or mordant humor.
Many of his sayings are as biting and sardonic as Voltaire, Twain, Bierce or Mencken.
He mocked hypocrites with brilliant double-entendres, upended their dainty skirts of prissiness with world-historical inversions of tradition, scourged them with lacerating images and hoisted them with their own moralistic petards.
Don’t geld Christ to a tip-toeing effete.
profitsbeard on September 23, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Exactly. Right now, I want everyone who brings the conservative message forward to succeed.
If Sarah Palin makes it to the front of the pack, that’s great; but she won’t get there without bringing along, as part of her support base, people like you and I.
People who try to evaluate both candidates and their positions logically.
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 9:01 PM
I heard a quote once about surfing … “If you ‘used’ to surf but don’t any longer – then you never did”.
I would say the same is true of squirrel eating.
The ‘cuda has more grassroots nitty in her gritty than the Huckster ever did. Take that from a Southern boy who hauls hawgs out of the Louisiana swamp.
HondaV65 on September 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Hey Krauthammer,
Should she still leave the room?
Is she still just silliness personified?
silverfox on September 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM
What purpose does this level of attack serve?
You’re not entering the argument with facts, reason, and logic in support of one position or the other.
This is slash and burn, ad hominem attack.
Why?
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Because he does it every day in every thread…combative and insulting to the point it frustrastes those of us who come here to learn and contribute… Haven’t you noticed?
CCRWM on September 23, 2009 at 9:08 PM
I’m not offended by her being offended. I’m annoyed by her lying about me because she didn’t like what I said that had nothing to do with her.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Hmmm…I think I could count on one hand the number of times you’ve actually tried to engage me in debate.
So far, I see you cheering on a Palinista who lies about me, then turning around and admonishing me for…what, I don’t know, but it appears you only summon up this sentiment when Palinistas are all around. Just a coincidence, I’m sure.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Over 450 posts and this thread is not considered a hot pick??
powerpro on September 23, 2009 at 9:11 PM
News is coming fast and furious, Allah probably has had time to even think about moving it.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 9:13 PM
There is no “Sarah Palin” cult.
Indeed!!!! I have criticized her so many times when I thought she was not doin
In fact, I prefer men for leaders. But, Sarah is more manly “conservative” than the present bunch of boys in terms of delivery of principles and clarity in message. Being a libertarian woman is a bonus, indeed.
However, we are talking of leadership here. A leader is not a computer who has the mastery of everything you want it to do.
Leader is a person … a human … honest …. erring but haven’t yet done a disastrous move for the country … HE MUST HAVE A NAME!!!!! Or else, we are talking to “non-existing” individual (or worse, a “ghost”).
This “personality politics” vs. “principle politics” is fake discourse. Besides, it has become the ploy of the beltway Republicans to ensure that their chosen leaders will get the votes of the people, despite the people’s dissatisfactions. Nowadays, voting for GOP candidate doesn’t necessarily voting for a conservative.
POLITICS IS ALWAYS ABOUT LIVING PEOPLE AND THEIR INTERACTIONS … NOT DEAD PEOPLE … NOT TEXTBOOKS!
TheAlamos on September 23, 2009 at 9:15 PM
???
On your blasphemy, I will appeal to you as a Jew:
Because Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of the God, any taking of his name in vain is no different than taking God’s name in vain (which we are told by God not to do in the 3rd of the 10 Commandments).
The Holy Trinity of Father, Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are 3 different manifestations of the same God, not 3 different “gods.”
If you can’t see how or why we consider taking Jesus’s name as a great blasphemy and offensive, you’re not trying.
And God bless you, ThereGoesTheNeighborhood and CCRWM!
My new heroes!
Madison, I’ll pray for you–you’re doing an awful lot of hating.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 9:17 PM
No.
So, go after his posts, for specifics; challenge him directly on facts, logic, even his underlying philosophical bent.
But don’t just attack, please.
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Pray for clarity, because honey, you need it.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:20 PM
He was defending me…and Christianity.
The vile blasphemous expression that MadisonConservative uses coarsens and lowers the tone of the discourse on this site to an unfathomable degree, so CCRWM was right.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Palinistas lying about you…. martyr complex, much?
And the lying charge won’t stick. What you’ve posted in the last few minutes shows at least an occasional antipathy towards believers if you perceive them as too outspoken.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on September 23, 2009 at 9:22 PM
As Jesus said, “Take the log out of your own eye before you remove the splinter from your neighbors.”
Guess my appeal to your Jewish foundation was also in vain, huh?
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Only if you’re a nut, which 90+% of believers aren’t. Your fervor seems to indicate you’re not part of the 90+%.
Again, with your logic, because I hate Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, Barney Frank, etc…therefore I hate Americans.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Obama wants to be the President of the World and the US will become Europe-West. Sarah Palin wants us to be The United States of America, built on common sense, hard work and freedom.
Sven on September 23, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Okay I’m not going to go back and try to find the posts where I’ve engaged you so I’ll try in the future to get specific about your interactions with some on the threads… I’ll just say this that when I see you appear my impression is that the fighting and nastiness is about to begin and the thread poster count is going to die down…
CCRWM on September 23, 2009 at 9:26 PM
…so now I’m Jewish. According to you, I’m Jewish and I hate all who believe in god.
I’ve rarely met someone who knows so much that isn’t so.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Ah…my post above is to MadCon…
CCRWM on September 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM
My original point was this; let his defense of you, or of Christianity, be one of reason, logic, facts, and supporting arguments.
Not to simply attack another poster.
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I wonder why that is…
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:33 PM
“In all honesty, there’s no substantive reason *not* to consider Palin as fully qualified to be POTUS right now”.
Well,compared to several presidents we have had, she is more than qualified. But what will count is what she does, says and acts between now and nominating time.
A lot can happen in three and a half years, good,
badand awful.And even if she is nominated and wins. What exactly will she have to do to walk back all of the damage that will have been done by then? How much can be walked back? And the bigger question is will she find enough support and votes in our sorry Congress to do what needs to be done?
We need to make sure that Congress gets a good wash and rinse so as to be able to assist the next sane President.
Papa Ray
Central Texas
Papa Ray on September 23, 2009 at 9:33 PM
OK, so are you saying that “fundamentalists”=”nuts?”
Because there are many more Bible-believing Christians (i.e. the real meaning of “fundamentalists”) than a mere 10% of all Christians and almost none of them are nuts.
We just love our God and His Word.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Not gonna work because you started it…
CCRWM on September 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM
She just posted a hefty portion of her speech on her Facebook page – here:
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?v=wall#/sarahpalin?v=app_2347471856
yogi41 on September 23, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Hello, how lovely to see you.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 9:38 PM
I have asked you nicely and politely on 2 different occasions not to use your blasphemous invocations of Jesus’s name when you had done so.
For this, I was viciously attacked by you.
Jews and Christians worship the same God.
Blasphemy is blasphemy and is offensive to those who believe in God and Jesus.
And you shouldn’t let the fact that at least one of the webmasters here is a proselytizing atheist who’ll allow you to perpetrate these blasphemies with impunity be your carte blanche to abuse “believers” at will.
You’re a boor and a coward with the moral courage of a 3-year-old.
Jenfidel on September 23, 2009 at 9:39 PM
I guess by disagreeing with you I’ve put myself in that 10% of fundamentalists who you hate.
I’ll try to live with that.
But if you’re trying a reductio ad absurdem of my (rather obvious) inductive argument, you might try listing people who don’t seem to hate American values. After all, you could make an excellent case that hating people you consider to be destroying America argues for NOT hating America.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on September 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Yep. Otherwise, why do we refer to the Jihadis as “Islamic fundamentalists”? Why was Warren Jeffs head of the “Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints”? Hence, my additional application of the term to atheists who attack believers, just as the mirror image of the nincompoops who scream about “blasphemy”, be it a humorous phrase or a picture of Mohammed. There are posters here who regularly mock the belief of Christianity, blame it for all kinds of things, and insult their members. I argue right back against them, despite not holding any faith, because I respect Christians and Christianity.
…and your response is to attack me for an ironic phrase (Sweet Evil Jesus…Jesus was a figure that was seen as ultimate good…hence Evil Jesus is a contradiction…are you even getting this, or do you just still see red), when I rarely see you going after LevStrauss or any of the other anti-religion dipsticks. Maybe I’m an easier target since I’m not really trying to attack your belief.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM
People will differ on what “fundamentalist” means, though if someone believes that the Bible is literally true rather than essentially true that would probably be a good test. Within the political conversation the degree to which someone believes that U.S. law should codify Biblical teachings would also be a good test. That might be around 10% of the population.
dedalus on September 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM
But “Bible-believing Christians” is just one definition of fundamentalist.
Put another way; it may be fair to say that some who identify themselves as fundamentalists, (whether they use your defintion or another one,) go too far in the outward expression of their beliefs.
That would make them, by definition, extremists; that may be (although I’m not trying to speak for him) what MadCon was trying to get at.
All the vitriol, on both sided of the debate, gets in the way, does it not?
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Sarah just posted the HK speech on her Facebook.
technopeasant on September 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Hello
Sven on September 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM
…yup, I should know better than to point out the pushing of a candidate as image rather than record. It oughta get me a punch in the mouth.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Wow, to think I was worried about how hard Ed & Allah were going to crack down on free speech.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Welcome back; you were missed (both loudly and silently.)
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 9:44 PM
So, is MB4 back too?
massrighty on September 23, 2009 at 9:45 PM
I’m going to go read Sarah’s whole speech…better use of my time I say…
Don’t waste your time Jen…you made good points about Sarah today… before you got diveted…
CCRWM on September 23, 2009 at 9:46 PM
MB4 has been back since last open registration.
Cindy Munford on September 23, 2009 at 9:47 PM
He’s quoting someone else. Nice try.
Jaibones on September 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Cite that whenever you please. As I recall, I told you to relax, and you kept harping on me every time I said it. My refusal to stop saying something you didn’t like resulted in “because what you said pisses me off, you therefore hate all people of faith”.
You also fail to realize that it’s blasphemy to you, not to me. You can’t blaspheme what you don’t hold sacred.
MadisonConservative on September 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM
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