Republican lawyers press for ACORN investigation; Update: Conyers wants probe of ACORN – and BigGov’t
posted at 4:45 pm on September 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
How badly does an organization receiving federal funds have to behave to get Congress to conduct a hearing into their activities? The Republican National Lawyers Association wants Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) to keep his word to investigate ACORN when he learns of “credible” allegations of wrongdoing. Having ACORN employees on video offering tax-evasion strategies and advice on hiding child-prostitution trafficking should be credible enough to warrant a look at the least, right?
A powerful group of GOP lawyers is demanding that government officials open an investigation into the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now to determine if any of their government funds have been used for illegal purposes.
And, they’re making those demands directly to House Chair of the Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, Rep. Jerrold Nalder, New York, who said he would consider holding a hearing about “if I ever hear any credible allegations” about the group. Now that a pair of activist filmmakers have exposed ACORN workers giving advice on how to obtain federal funds to run a brothel on video the Republican National Lawyers Association says the evidence is piled high enough to get a hearing. RNLA put a web video out Wednesday that replayed Mr. Nadler’s remarks made last March. …
Cleta Mitchell, co-chairman of RNLA, said Mr. Nadler isn’t taking the charges against ACORN seriously and he needs to hold a hearing to track down how their federal dollars have been spent. Republican critics of ACORN estimate the group has gotten close to $54 million since 1994.
“When you get federal money you get it for a special purpose and you are supposed to spend it for that purpose and certify at the end of each fiscal year it was spent for that purpose,” Mrs. Mitchell said. “I don’t see how they could have possibly made those representations truthfully to the federal government.”
Nadler has done his best to avoid fulfilling his promise to Rep. John Conyers (D-MI). On the House floor, he decried the Issa amendment barring funds from ACORN as an unconstitutional “bill of attainder,” which demonstrates Nadler’s ignorance as well as his obstinance. A bill of attainder creates a judgment of criminal or civil guilt by Congress rather than by a jury, making justice a political battle, which is why the founders were smart enough to proscribe the practice from the very start of the republic.
Congress has every right, however, to determine where it will and will not spend its money. ACORN is not entitled to federal funding, and Congress can halt funds to it at any time its members so desire. Such a finding does not carry a legal weight of conviction for violations, and indeed Congress doesn’t necessarily need to justify itself along those lines. In fact, it would be the height of irresponsibility to allow taxpayer funds to go to an organization that had been caught on tape in several locations and instances giving advice on how to commit crimes and cover them up, including evasion of the very taxes that allow ACORN’s funding in the first place.
If Nadler is so concerned about the idea of a “bill of attainder,” then he should start a Congressional inquiry — with subpoena power for both sides — into ACORN’s business practices.
Update: John Conyers has now announced that he wants a Congressional investigation of ACORN — and of O’Keefe and Giles:
Conyers and House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank of Massachusetts asked the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service today to provide an analysis on several aspects of ACORN, including any current or previous criminal investigations into the group; a breakdown of any funding received by the group and any violations of the terms of that funding; a report on alleged improprieties in collecting voter registration forms and “the extent … that resulted in people being improperly placed on voting roles and actually attempting to vote,” and the group’s programs to provide housing opportunities.
It also asked for a report on private sting activities “in which individuals have reportedly visited ACORN offices, misrepresented their identities and proposed activities, surreptitiously videotaped resulting conversations with ACORN workers, and widely distributed them.”
The letter went onto say, “Conflicting allegations have been made about the propriety of these activities. Please research and report on the federal and state laws that could apply to such videotaping and distribution of conversations without the consent of all parties.”
Yes, because the big issue here is a journalistic strategy that has been in place for the last several decades, used by all of broadcast networks and most local stations, and never before questioned by Congress. Let’s put undercover jounalistic sting operations at the same law-enforcement priority as tax evasion, child prostitution, and human trafficking, by all means.










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Wow, talk about a Big Tough Man.. scared of a 20 yr old girl!
upinak on September 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM
They better not go after O’Keefe and Giles.
rob verdi on September 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Grrrrrrrrrrr!
ronsfi on September 22, 2009 at 4:48 PM
ooh …. there’s too much investigatin’ going’ on out there!
BigD on September 22, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Well, of course they want a probe of Big Gov’t, et al.
Guess I’m funna hafta start saving away pennies for their defense fund.
eforhan on September 22, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Let’s add Conyer’s wife.
applebutter on September 22, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Ya know. He’d be the last person I’d expect to want to investigate a hot chick in short shorts.
lorien1973 on September 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Ahh, the shoot the messenger strategy. Not gonna work.
changer1701 on September 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM
If Conyers tries to put them on public trial, it’s going to backfire like the Dems grilling Ollie North on Iran-Contra.
teke184 on September 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Democrats:
“Well, you guys did bad stuff TOO!”
Yup. That always works.
rihar on September 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
There’s probably a precedent for this. Don’t we all remember the big investigations of Woodward and Bernstein?
applebutter on September 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I can see the headline now:
ACORN innocent, Filmmakers guilty.
Vashta.Nerada on September 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
So Conyers – a jackass who thinks it’s an effrontery to his sensibilities to suggest that legislators actually read the legislation they enact
wants answers.
Shooting the messenger. It won’t save ACORN or take away what was documented on the videos.
Isn’t Conyers’ wife the one caught steering contracts to her preferred industries on the Detroit City Council? Yup, she is.
The Conyers’ have no right to lecture or even investigate the “criminality” of others in ANY capacity – they themselves are criminals.
ObamACORN and Conyers deserve each other.
What the hell is with Democrats and evading taxes/abusing taxpayer funds for their own personal and political gain?
Good Lt on September 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Gee, ed… didn’t you hear???
DailyKos is saying that ACORN was TOTALLY ABSOLVED…
Because one of the acorn people….
….waited 2 days….
….saw some of the first DC acorn videos….
….then called his brother (who is a cop, not an immigration authority)
…..who casually asked a cop at work about trafficking
….and the ‘proof’ is the word of the brother cop
You see, Ed, even though the acorn worker waited until days later to, er, “report” this incident (not calling authorities mind you, but calling his family; its like talking to a banker brother-in-law and calling it ‘applying for a loan’), and even though he didnt do anything, ACORN IS TOTALLY ABSOLVED.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/22/785201/-Police:-ACORN-worker-in-video-reported-couple
battleoflepanto1571 on September 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Conyers, why don’t we investigate NBC’s “To Catch a Predator” while we’re at it. Some pedophiles’s rights might have been violated.
Wethal on September 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Let’s put conservative undercover jounalistic sting operations at the same law-enforcement priority as tax evasion, child prostitution, and human trafficking, by all means.
FIFY
Jed_Eckert on September 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM
RICO!!!
Seven Percent Solution on September 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Please, oh please go after BigGovernment that will we the biggest backfire in history.
MDWNJ on September 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM
I think an investigation of biggovernment.com, Breitbart, O’Keefe, and Giles is absurd. That said, to watch someone as repulsive as Nadler going after Giles in publicized congressional hearing…and uncovering nothing except that she and O’Keefe did the country a great service would be worth Nadler’s weight in gold.
BuckeyeSam on September 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Yeah, drag those two kids into a Congressional hearing. That’ll play over well with the American people. The Dems must reeeeeeeeally need ACORN’s services badly to be stalling like this.
Doughboy on September 22, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Let’s add the “powers that be” who blocked prior investigations.
Daggett on September 22, 2009 at 4:53 PM
LGF is reporting that same story as some sort of big ‘gotcha’.
jp on September 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM
let’s do conyers a favor and get him a cell next to his wife’s.
reliapundit on September 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM
He did have a thing for pimps once upon a time…
rw on September 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Too bad Obama knows nothing about any of this. He could be useful sharing the years he was defending and promoting these crooks.
Hening on September 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Do it Conyers, let the entire nation see you and other libs defending ACORN.
I guess if the ‘rats are going to keep digging their own grave, they might as well make sure it’s nice and deep.
Bishop on September 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM
CJ put that story on his blog, of course. In an effort to defend ACORN.
lorien1973 on September 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM
ACORN is part of the Clowd-Piven strategy, they must protect by any means necessary
jp on September 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Can everyone just take a moment and fully meditate on and appreciate the path our country is going down?
simon on September 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Democrats: “Probe this”
faraway on September 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Conyers ?
This Conyers?
http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2007/01/talking-turkey-about-conyers.html
macncheez on September 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Credible allegations, what credible allegations?
fourdeucer on September 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
the coverup is on
jp on September 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Someone please resuscitate Andrew Breitbart. He might have passed out laughing.
JammieWearingFool on September 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Liberty is under attack.
the_nile on September 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Actually, Obama is manufacturing the crisis pretty well without ACORN’s help. Stimulus + Obamacare + cap-n-tax + beefing up risky loans + Fed hi-jinks + more… that’ll pretty much take down the country. In fact, it’s overkill.
Daggett on September 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
I know it’s been said, but just like Obama, the Liberals’ arrogance will be their undoing. If they try to bring in these kids for a hearing, it will be a backfire of epic proportions.
kingsjester on September 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
hmm… I think we have been overrun.
faraway on September 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Well, that makes things easier on figuring out who else is involved
Clearly, Conyers and Barney Frank do not like these sting operations.
Wonder what they have to hide.
mooseburger on September 22, 2009 at 4:58 PM
If they want to keep digging I’ll volunteer to keep their shovels nice and sharp.
thomasaur on September 22, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I’m meditating on all of the stories that have broken over the past two weeks, astounded by the fact that we don’t have the majority of our citizens out in the streets with pitchforks and torches.
Vashta.Nerada on September 22, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I don’t see how they could do worse.
the_nile on September 22, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Is this the John Conyers who’s wife took bribes and gets in bar room brawls? Isn’t she in jail yet?
Knucklehead on September 22, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Let’s hope they go for this. There’s nothing like discovery.
Schadenfreude on September 22, 2009 at 5:01 PM
I’m not a lawyer, but I’d still like to volunteer to represent Hannah.
JammieWearingFool on September 22, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Ed, perhaps you “citizen journalists” should know what you’re talking about before you smear people for political advantage.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ACORN_HIDDEN_CAMERA?SITE=FLSTU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Way to contribute to the unemployment rate. The blood is on your hands.
Tom_Shipley on September 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Molon Labe..
the_nile on September 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM
We’re not at that point yet. I think with the tea parties and townhall videos, fiscal conservatives(i.e. the majority of America) are taking heart in knowing they’re not alone and their voices are being heard.
Now if by some freak occurance, the Dems manage to force through bills like Obamacare, crap-and-betrayed, and amnesty, and somehow manage to retain power in 2010 and 2012, I don’t think these protests will remain peaceful for long. Let’s hope it never comes to that.
Doughboy on September 22, 2009 at 5:04 PM
ACORN and their congressional benefactors are pure slime and somebody needs to hang on to this like a bulldog lest it get cast aside and forgotten.
rplat on September 22, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Sounds like an opportunity to me. Discovery’s a very enlightening experience, I’m told.
hachiban on September 22, 2009 at 5:06 PM
“Way to contribute to the unemployment rate. The blood is on your hands.”
Two days to figure out that child sex slavery might warrant talking to the police (excuse me, a relative).
Yep, I’m crying a river over here.
WitchDoctor on September 22, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Lets hope the investigations lead to the Rathke brothers the Soro’s and Tides foundations all behind bars.
fourdeucer on September 22, 2009 at 5:07 PM
No kidding!
IMHO, the 9/12 rally scared the dookie out of them. However, like rabid dogs, instead of backing down, they are going to get more aggressive.
bitsy on September 22, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Uh, fail in your part. He volunteered to help the pimp/ho to commit illegal acts. And EWWWW for you saying that ACORN firing of the guy ‘contributing to the unemployment rate’. Left-wing mind rot.
Apologetic California on September 22, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Kinda like when they investigated Joe the Plumber.
Badger40 on September 22, 2009 at 5:08 PM
You have really lost it if you’re not outraged by this story. Those are your tax dollars that’s paying these idiots salaries.
Have another drink of KoolAid, moonbat.
Knucklehead on September 22, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Off your meds, much?
lorien1973 on September 22, 2009 at 5:09 PM
If they go after the film makers, will they get supported by MSM? I mean, hidden cameras are the bread and butter of 20/20, 60 minutes, etc. Would they realize that going after these two COULD slop over into the next time THEY do an undercover investigation?
kurtzz3 on September 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM
You’re such an easy target.
Schadenfreude on September 22, 2009 at 5:11 PM
No, party loyalty comes first.
Vashta.Nerada on September 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM
“Would they realize that going after these two COULD slop over into the next time THEY do an undercover investigation?”
Not if the dems stay in power.
WitchDoctor on September 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Way to save taxpayer $$!
I am really curious as to why this person could not denounce such behavior to the videotaping couple to their face as wrong instead of trying to scheme up solutions with them.
I guess by speaking to police 2 days later absolves this behavior?
The ACORN worker lost an opportunity to shoot down this illegal behavior, but instead chose to support it.
There was nothing but justice done here.
Perhaps now this person will think twice next time before supporting illegal behavior.
Badger40 on September 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM
To be sure that things are on the up-and-up, a Special Prosecutor should be named. Maybe Giuliani. If congress is in charge of any “investigation”, why bother.
MB4 on September 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM
He played along with their story, then contacted the police to let them know about possible human trafficking. You guys jump on the gotcha video and get the guy fired. Nice work.
Tom_Shipley on September 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM
I really wonder if this person pays any taxes at all.
Either we are really rich with our $$ offshore in foreign banks or we are on welfare sitting at home on the taxpayer’s dime.
Badger40 on September 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Hee hee. You are so funny.
Yes of course the guy was playing along.
I’m so sure he had noooooooooo idea he was being taped.
Yeah. That’s the ticket.
Badger40 on September 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Yeah. The dude in the video was just playing along. And I’m a 19 year old co-ed named Buffy.
kingsjester on September 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Who is investigating John Conyers?
SouthernGent on September 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Then you forget about the other four. You Acorn trolls are going pooof , the light is onto you.
the_nile on September 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Two days later, in this communication age?
This story is the best in this century. It exposes the rot from the biggest compost pile that brought this entire administration.
Schadenfreude on September 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Vashta.Nerada on September 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Conyers going after Hanna Giles will go over about as well as Kanye West’s jerking of the mic from Taylor Swift.
TXUS on September 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM
He was so smart that he played along & THEN 2 days later he tells the police.
If he knew they were fakers, why tell the police in the 1st place?
And seriously, why be stupid enough to go along with this schtick?
Badger40 on September 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM
In all seriousness…did HuffPuff or Dkos buy the LGF “franchise”? I cannot for the life of me figure CJ out. Did he not get enough heavy petting from the right over “memogate” or does someone on the left have something very serious they are holding over his head? Either way, I finally gave up any time at LGF at all….even for the link viewer. :(
ihasurnominashun on September 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Why didn’t Acorn fire the white women , she got connections or is there something else..
the_nile on September 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Slavery is freedom. Oppression is liberation. Bankruptcy is frugality. Ignorance is enlightenment. Lies are truth. Death is life.
Cheshire Cat on September 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM
I agree.
But seriously Tom.
Help the guy out since you feel so sorry for him.
Offer him a job.
Or better yet: share your wealth.
Badger40 on September 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM
You forgot evil is good and good is evil.
End times my friend.
Badger40 on September 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Did Conyers or his lawyers read what he was announcing ?
macncheez on September 22, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I think he’s simply following the david brock model. Becoming an apostate of republicans and cashing in on that, somehow.
lorien1973 on September 22, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Sums it up. None of these things make sense. These are all specifically designed to a. establish control and b. do damage in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. Take a close look at each, because what you’ll find is a coordinated effort to destroy America.
marklmail on September 22, 2009 at 5:25 PM
I dare Conyers to put James and Hannah on the stand. Call em before Congress, swear them in. Let them testify.
Please..
Partisan on September 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Apparently, those who fired him did not find him credible. Why should we?
Blake on September 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Cuz it’s a good idea to employ people who’ll rationalize illegal activity, then a few days later wonder – hey, that might not be a good idea.
lorien1973 on September 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM
What about all the other investigations, the ones that are being done at state level all over the country? Are they going anywhere?
I did here some folks were being charged in Florida..is there more?
Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM
BTW, it is not a crime to claim you are a hooker or a pimp..
Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Hey, a twofer! Nadler will never hear anything wrong about ACORN. They fund his re-election campaign. BESIDES, THE GUY IS DEAF (as well as dumb).
GarandFan on September 22, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Breitbart, O’keefe and Giles are in the tradition of Woodward and Bernstein.
The MSM is a cross between Joesph Goebbels and the Three Blind Mice. They are not journalists at all.
MB4 on September 22, 2009 at 5:28 PM
That’s insulting to Joesph Goebbels everywhere.
the_nile on September 22, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Hey now, nothing galvanizes the American public like a sympathetic figure telling Congress to their faces to get stuffed. If Conyers wants to investigate O’Keefe, Giles and Breitbart, at the same time they investigate Lewis and Acorn, that’s called game, set, match.
Ennuipundit on September 22, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Congress has every right, however, to determine where it will and will not spend
itsOUR money.There, FIFY
Webrider on September 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Barack Obama is not a crook! He saw nothing, he heard nothing, he knows nothing about HAZELNUT.
MB4 on September 22, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Taking it a step further, I’d wager Breitbart sees a full airing before Congress as a feature not a bug. Let them ask and the argument in response is simple: “This is a standard technique of journalism, the only difference is the ideology of the target.” “These young people have done more to investigate the recipients of tax payer dollars than you have Congressman.” “Given the conduct of some of your colleagues, such as Rep. Rangel, Sen. Dodd, et al., I’m not surprised you want to investigate our methods, as a pre-emptive defense against potential investigations into this members of this august chamber and their conduct with the people’s tax receipts.”
It would be fantastic theater. And it makes the argument for limited government in an environment that is impossible to ignore. Congressional hearings on a story of this magnitude. Yes indeed. Bring it on.
Ennuipundit on September 22, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Something tells me Conyers wants all 48 hours of O’Keefe’s tapes under subpoena.
Vashta.Nerada on September 22, 2009 at 5:36 PM
People have got to know whether or not their Emperor, um ah, King, um ah, President is a crook. Well, I am not a crook! The allegations that I ever had anything to do with, what was the name of that organization again, oh yes HAZELNUT, are clearly racist, um ah, false and I need to get back to doing important work for George Soros, um ah, the American people.
MB4 on September 22, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Classic example of a politician engaged in “posturing.” Kinda, sorta like Bertha Lewis telling Fox that she is going to call for an “independent” review of ACORN.
IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN.
BigAlSouth on September 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM
From the post:
Joe Caps on September 22, 2009 at 5:43 PM
powerder keg, and Obama, Soros, and TONS of radicals will be exposed. Oh, it will be investigated, but as part of a far-reaching investigation of Obama in 2011.
marklmail on September 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM
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