Okay, people, say it with me, now: Judeo-Christian values good, survival-of-the-fittest bad. Cause guess what, not all of us gonna be the fittest. duh. Anyone here heard of Pascal’s Wager? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager

cynccook on September 24, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Atheism does not equate to survival of the fittest, to say nothing of Deism. And Pascal’s Wager is invalid because you presume God cannot detect an insincere belief, and because you presume the only choices are atheism and Christianity when the choices include many, many other religions.

It’s a kind of religious indifference that’s not hostile to religion the way they are in France

versus:

Navarro-Rivera is still running the numbers, but his hunch is that the new generation of religious nones has been scared away from the Republican Party because of its ties to the Christian right

the Nones I see are hostile anti Christian, but not seriously anti muslim, which matches the DEM pattern. Christianity hits a nerve and they need to believe islam is not a threat or they would have to act. Acting out against Christianity is a lot safer

No surprise either to find that “nones” are already at or above 20 percent on the west coast and in the northeast, where the GOP’s collapsed over the past 10 years:

I thought the Hispanic (voting offspring of illegals) was the swing in Cal, not the decadent anti Christians.

Imagine an America 100 years from now that’s majority non-religious. Imagine it.

Certainly possible but religious have birthrate demographics that beat out non religious. It has become politically correct to declare None and politically suspect to declare ‘Christian’. The press, the schools, and the activist judges have all declare christianity to be a form of public indecency.

Who prays more fervently on this point? Islam. There is but one Almighty God. And Americans lack faith in our government, President and Congress AND corrupted Dept. of Justice and Judicial Branch. Of all times, this is when we should match Islam’s exercise of faith, in order to heal what ails us.

maverick muse on September 24, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Like a cosmic applause meter for battle of the faiths?

Badger40 on September 24, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Don’t know why it was all stuck.
Wierd.

A modern biologist defines evolution as “changes in genetic frequency”.

And when you study the evidence, it’s an accurate definition, IMHScientificO.

It might be due to Providence, which isn’t subject to testing- but a thorough biologist tends to focus on measuring and explaining systems rather than extrapolating a moral lesson from their work.

Chris_Balsz on September 24, 2009 at 10:34 AM

+10
Scientists should not be trying to extrapolate moral lessons from any scientific work. That is not their job.
The only time they need to consider morality is when they have a question about WHAT to do with the knowledge gained.
This is why ethicists are important.
There is faith & there is science.
One is proven or disproven, the other is a feeling, unable to be proven or disproven.
My faith in God actually stems from my observations in the scientific world.
I am amazed at what God created & it’s fun to study it.

Who prays more fervently on this point? Islam. There is but one Almighty God. And Americans lack faith in our government, President and Congress AND corrupted Dept. of Justice and Judicial Branch. Of all times, this is when we should match Islam’s exercise of faith, in order to heal what ails us.

maverick muse on September 24, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Bless you, brother; Whatever works.

Think for yourself, it’s one of the greatest treasures a sentient being can embrace.

Chook on September 24, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Thank you, Karl Marx.

But, uh, aren’t you a little lost? The Huffington Post is way over there, you know, way over on the LEFT.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Your assumption of an infinite, omniscient, and omnipotent God implies one of the Muslim tenets: namely, everyone is really just a hand puppet of God, as he acts out history to himself. Your assertion that an infinite God must contain all good can’t be separated from using the same reasoning to assert that he is also all evil.

A modern biologist defines evolution as “changes in genetic frequency”. If there are more redheads in this generation, humanity has evolved. That may be due to some favorable condition in redheads. It may be due to random chance–more redheads getting together and having kids. It may be due to a cull of brunettes. It might be due to Providence, which isn’t subject to testing- but a thorough biologist tends to focus on measuring and explaining systems rather than extrapolating a moral lesson from their work.

My reason for being non-religious is that God won’t answer my prayers to get rid of Obama!

Who prays more fervently on this point? Islam. There is but one Almighty God. And Americans lack faith in our government, President and Congress AND corrupted Dept. of Justice and Judicial Branch. Of all times, this is when we should match Islam’s exercise of faith, in order to heal what ails us.

Religion retards thinking. They force fill the individual with pre-conceived criterias, baseless yet baised notions of subjects and topics before the individual can make their own judgement

Think for yourself, it’s one of the greatest treasures a sentient being can embrace.

Chook on September 24, 2009 at 2:10 AM

You’ve done your Reader’s Digest research with lack luster vigilance, too sloppy to bother spelling the words you choose for expression.

DO think, and find more to think about than what you don’t like. What people do with ideas reflects on those people as much as on the ideas. The interplay is powerful. And what we individually contribute or destroy is noted. Perhaps all you know of the spirit is war, having that in your own heart. Hence you only see war from spirit, not life, not peace, not mercy, not justice. Schade, to dismiss the idea that determines form because you have no room in your own heart for faith in love, the very thing you would project as your virtuous reason to destroy spirit.

Yes. “Think for yourself, it’s one of the greatest treasures a sentient being can embrace.”

Where you go with the wheel is your own choice. Just don’t deny the wheel was invented and exists as if your sentient choice will “re-invent” it, abuse it, ignore it, destroy it, replace it. Thoughts exist. Learn and study what they are. And make of them as you will as do others.

Hard pressed.

The problem isn’t so much their Bible-thumping as it is that they let the socialists use it to talk them into things.

Count to 10 on September 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM

I believe you will find more secular thinking, more atheists in the liberals movement…the faithful have never relied on the government.
Good try though, you really are desperate to try to tie Christians to socialists.
Government is the bane of religion…it is the communists and marxists that want to remove religion from life, want to replace God with the government.

right2bright on September 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Not so. The “faithful” indeed rely upon the government, whether as individuals relying upon SSec./Medicaid, or the institutions willing to transpose their moral duties to the poor for the state to provide while enjoying their tax status, going so far as to promote ObamaCare as Catholic Bishops are doing, completing the circle of “liturgy” defined originally as tax obligations to the state.

Religion expresses itself as a government in church, many being theocracies in their own realms of existence here on earth, the place where Jesus said his kingdom was not. And you would play the role of political leader within your church.

Nothing wrong choosing to work within a Godly club or social order so long as you’re completely honest and up front about promoting your own special interests that may or may not be the same as God’s, but are as good as you can tell. Human nature being as it is, honesty is always compromised.

Think for yourself, it’s one of the greatest treasures a sentient being can embrace.

Chook on September 24, 2009 at 2:10 AM

oh yes unless everyone thinks exactly as you do they’re ignorant, uninformed, can’t think for themselves…yadayada…

more ignorant atheist talking points…talk about not thinking for yourselves…you sound like a parrot.

More purely Judaic than what the Israelites allegedly had under David and Solomon? More purely Christian than rule by the Vatican? Looks like you’ve never heard of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Nowhere in the Bible, “Old” Testament or New (as if God would change his mind and need a “New” Testament!), does it say God endowed man with the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What’s more, if you were to actually read your Bible, you’d notice that its god directs his followers to deprive of their lives and liberties anyone who pursues happiness.

hicsuget on September 24, 2009 at 12:58 AM

why don’t you explain the bible to me, since you obviously know everything about it!

you know if God didn’t want man to live, He wouldn’t have created us and given us life in the first place…duhhhhh…as far as liberty…you will not find a freer form of government than the judges in the OT…get a clue…

as far as God ‘changing His mind’ thats typical ignorant atheist talking points….

History is replete with examples of ALL religions being directly responsible for mass murders, slavery, rapes and crimes against a populace.

Religion retards thinking. They force fill the individual with pre-conceived criterias, baseless yet baised notions of subjects and topics before the individual can make their own judgement

Think for yourself, it’s one of the greatest treasures a sentient being can embrace.

the point about the founders, it doesn’t matter if an individual was christian or not…whats important is they created a judeo-christian form of government…probably the purest form of it ever seen in the history of the world.

right4life on September 23, 2009 at 8:14 PM

More purely Judaic than what the Israelites allegedly had under David and Solomon? More purely Christian than rule by the Vatican? Looks like you’ve never heard of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Nowhere in the Bible, “Old” Testament or New (as if God would change his mind and need a “New” Testament!), does it say God endowed man with the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What’s more, if you were to actually read your Bible, you’d notice that its god directs his followers to deprive of their lives and liberties anyone who pursues happiness.

Rights are restrained all the time, they are denied often.
As a felon you do not have the right to bear arms, the right to vote, etc.
As a child molester you do not have the right to live where ever you want…your freedoms are severely restrained or taken away.

right2bright on September 23, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Rights can’t be denied in a way that discriminates against a protected class of people. There is much that I don’t like about anti-discrimination law, but it does create a hurdle for the state when someone from a protected class is denied a government service. Race, religion, and disability are protected nationally. Gay people have protected class status in about half the states, IIRC.