Oh my: One quarter of Americans could be non-religious in 20 years

Meanwhile, why don’t you atheist go out and build a hospital or care for someone in need…you seem to enjoy taking what the faithful have given you, you little beggars.

right2bright on September 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM

very true…they take our morality, then claim they came up with it…our virture, and think its theirs…..the freedom that our culture gave them, and claim it for their own…

right4life on September 23, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Lastly, why is this example of Chlorella vulgaris in any way similar to the Lamarckism that is thought to be displayed in the examples you mentioned?

because these changes happen FAR too quickly for evolution…these type of changes are DESIGNED into the organism.

Argument from unreasonable expectations. I don’t have the fulltext of the actual paper, only the abstract, and I doubt the fulltext has the exact genome sequence anyway. Next you’ll be telling me that because I can’t go however many billions of light-years to the nearest quasar that I shouldn’t rule out the possibility that it’s God sending us a coded message.

you won’t find any….because this change is not the result of mutations…its rather obvious .

Wrong. We have seen mutations both in the portions of the genome that govern morphology and the parts that don’t. Just because this organism has a disproportionately high amount of mutation in the latter does not mean the former is automagically a different kind of evolution.

but you have no examples, just faith, of these micro changes adding up to another type of animal. doesn’t happen…sorry. just like you have FAITH that the eye evolved…you have no idea how….just a ‘darwin of the gaps’ argument.

That complex systems exist is a truism. That such systems are irreducible is patently false. Clear enough? It’s not the existence of such systems, but the ID assumption that they must be irreducibly complex, that is false.

then why is miller still lamely trying to disprove them?? without much success….its rather obvious they do exist, did not evolve..for example if blood clotting was not just exactly right, then the organism would die. there is no ‘intermediate’ no ‘evolutionary path’ except some made-up BS story.

This is a deliberate misrepresentation of my point. We can see numerous sequences of transitional fossils

more BS. Gould was wrong huh?? sure.

Doug: What got you started thinking about punctuated equilibrium?

Stephen Jay Gould: It wasn’t broad philosophical or political issues as I think many people assume. It really comes right out of an operational dilemma in paleontology.

I had been trained, as Niles Eldredge had, in statistical methods for the study of subtle changes in evolution. Evolution at that time was defined as gradualism. The two were virtually equated; to see evolution meant finding gradualistic sequences, but every paleontologist knew that they had effectively never been found, and that was a frustration.

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right4life on September 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM

You say that, and give a nice long quotation, but the fact remains that such nonfunctional sequences exist.

rather we don’t know what functions they do YET.

You might also look up the broken vitamin C-producing gene in humans, which has a working counterpart in most other mammals. Why do we have that sequence, which is almost identical but rendered nonfunctional by a few particular mutations

ever think of devolution?? mutations happen…mostly harmful.

A moment to deal with the Hitler nonsense. I’ll take a sample of your quotation to help make my point:

oh yes, ALL those historians are wrong, and you are right..sure…

See, this is exactly what evolutionary theory DOESN’T say. Evolutionary theory is not normative. It does not say “this mutation is BETTER than that one.” It merely measures adaptive fitness for the environment, a very different concept

darwin himself was absolutely sure there were ‘lower races’ of course they were the non-white ones…

So Hitler takes the antithesis of evolutionary theory as justification to slaughter millions, and you blame this on evolutionary theory? It’s not Darwin’s fault Hitler sucked at science.

but it is your fault for being so ignorant about history.///

“The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Life of Charles Darwin”, [1902], Senate: London, 1995, reprint, p.64).

A direct line runs from Darwin, through the founder of the eugenics movement-Darwin’s cousin, Francis Galton-to the extermination camps of Nazi Europe.” (Brookes, Martin.,”Ripe old age,” Review of “Of Flies, Mice and Men,” by Francois Jacob, Harvard University Press, 1999. New Scientist, Vol. 161, No. 2171, 30 January 1999, p.41).

Because the selection pressure of predation went away, the selection pressure of resource gathering reasserted itself. Evolution indeed.

BS…a mutation wouldn’t all of the sudden ‘undo’ itself. to you darwiniacs darwin is all in all…and everything is evolution…laughable.

right4life on September 23, 2009 at 2:20 PM

oh and evolution is implicity racist…and eugenicist…

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex,” [1871], John Murray: London, Second Edition, 1922, reprint, pp.205-206)

“It may be quite true that some negroes are better than some white men; but no rational man, cognisant of the facts, believes that the average negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the average white man. And, if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favour, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smallerjawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites. The highest places in the hierarchy of civilisation will assuredly not be within the reach of our dusky cousins, though it is by no means necessary that they should be restricted to the lowest.” (Huxley, Thomas Henry [Anatomist, Dean of the Royal College of Science, and "Darwin's Bulldog"], “Emancipation-Black and White,” in Rhys E., ed., “Lectures and Lay Sermons,” [1871], Everyman’s Library, J.M. Dent & Co: London, 1926, reprint, p.115).

right4life on September 23, 2009 at 2:22 PM

*eye role*
No it isn’t. It is just a description of likely biological history.
Which is not to say someone won’t try to shoehorn some of its details into their narrative of racism, but that is true for pretty much anything that has some element of public credibility, including *gasp* the Bible.

Count to 10 on September 23, 2009 at 2:31 PM

of course not, because YOU say so..eyeroll…right..

you atheists just can’t stand anything impugning your hairygod darwin…..

yes all those historians are just lying…they’re closet creationists!!!

pathetic.

right4life on September 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM

but evolution posits that some are more ‘fit’ than others…and darwin knew what that meant…its the basis for eugenics….Hitler was just helping evolution out…the darwinists that followed darwin knew what he was talking about…like the book ‘a civic biology’ which was the basis for the scopes ‘monkey trial’:

At the present time there exist upon the earth five races or varieties of man, each very different from the other in instincts, social customs, and, to an extent, in structure. These are the Ethiopian or negro type, originating in Africa; the Malay or brown race, from the islands of the Pacific; the American Indian; the Mongolian or yellow race, including the natives of China, Japan, and the Eskimos; and finally, the highest type of all, the Caucasians, represented by the civilized white inhabitants of Europe and America.

this is what the darwinists defended in court…

and you can see that racism to this day in scientists like Watson….

right4life on September 23, 2009 at 2:42 PM

You’re the “hairygod” poster?
I thought that was someone else. Well, no wonder. We’ve argued before.

Count to 10 on September 23, 2009 at 2:39 PM

yeah I like the term…its rather accurate…and it upsets darwiniacs no end….

right4life on September 23, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Why are you even posting here?
I do it because I generally like arguing, and have kind of a quarky obsession with not letting untruths stand.

Count to 10 on September 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM

because Michelle, Ed, and AP let me…why are you? what a foolish question to ask.

you support untruths…and have no documentation to back up your ridiculous assertions…laughable.

right4life on September 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM