Megacool Blog indeed!… if anyone else has anything it would be much appreciated. Great website Enjoy!…

The Honduran government is well within its rights to use force to enter the Brazilian Embassy and take Zelaya into custody.

Is this web site news correct?

batterup on September 22, 2009 at 9:24 PM

great website!

“muckraking with a radical attitude”.

“Muckraking leftist newsletter…”

publishes articles from those with left-wing views, such as Lenni Brenner, Fidel Castro, and the late Stew Albert, as well as newer contributors, such as Diane Christian, Joshua Frank, Norman Finkelstein, Ron Jacobs, Pam Martens, Gary Leupp, Cynthia McKinney.

charging CounterPunch of being biased against Israel and anti-semitic

by all means this looks like a real unbiased source of “news” from Honduras. ROTFLMAO!

Bill Blizzard on September 22, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Right. go ahead and listen to this Marxist apologist and their “facts” they are not “distorted”. ROTFLMAO!

batterup on September 22, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Decide for yourself. This is a conservative website Chavez, Obama, and Zelaya and their authoritarianism will get no succor from me.

No idea what you are trying to say – what is elduende’s agenda?

Nothing personal but – not clicking on unfamiliar links, from unfamiliar posters I had to deal with a nasty trojan from doing that from a link posted on HA – you’ll have to explain yourself.

Is this web site news correct?

batterup on September 21, 2009 at 11:06 PM

You are being played. Don’t count on any info from someone with an agenda. Their facts are stretched to distortion. Search around the web yourself and you’ll see what I mean.
Here is 1 example.

Micheletti formally requested that the government of Brazil either turn over Zelaya to Honduran authorities or give him amnesty and take him out of the country.

Brazil has refused.

Zelaya has been whipping up his supporters into a frenzy via cel phone and the Venezuelan television station TeleSur.

There have been mass arrests of Marxist Zelaya supporters that responded to his calls to violate the 26 hour curfew.

The Brazilian Embassy is now surrounded. Water, Electricity, and Telephone lines have been cut off. The security forces today cleared the area of Zelaya supporters and cordoned it off. The military brought in and have begun using a non lethal directed sonic weapon/device that makes the embassy almost untenable.

The embassy has about 300 Brazilian diplomats, Zelaya supporters and leftist journalists inside. They have a generator but are running low on supplies. They say they have 5 children inside the embassy but have not asked to let them out instead using them as shields.

The US Embassy has asked what it can do to help relieve the Brazilian embassy which is apperantly 1500 feet away.

Why is Obama offering assistance to Zelaya, Chavez, and Lula da Silva?

maverick muse on September 22, 2009 at 3:44 PM

More than one. Keep posting.

Oldnuke on September 22, 2009 at 9:59 AM

lovingmyUSA on September 22, 2009 at 8:25 AM

Thanks. and sorry I didn’t have a chance to post during the day today. Allah has opened another Honduras thread and I’ll be posting info there.

Interim President Roberto Micheletti has said that he will formally ask Brazil to either give Zelaya asylum or turn him over to be tried.

http://twitter.com/diarioelheraldo

elduende on September 21, 2009 at 11:22 PM

That’s what I was going to ask, to be sure that the Honduran Constitutional Government will take Zelaya to task in court ASAP. We know they sent him on Vacation in exile in order to all the people to handle the transition without him there creating violence, which is why he has returned. If Zelaya refuses to face his trial prior to the election, it would even behoove the Honduran government to try Zelaya in absentia rather than allow him to corrupt the constitutional election process, complicated by his campaign to own Honduras. If/when Zelaya’s found guilty, it would be better determined by the court before the election.

On the basis of morality, the international community must censure Brazil for protruding into Honduran affairs while they in Brazil have so much turmoil of their own. (I know it won’t happen; that doesn’t excuse the onlookers craven disregard for what is right.) The Brazilian government persecutes their own poverty stricken populations, incapable of dealing with the crime waves in their own slums. Who is Brazil to play puppet master with Hondurans, to try toppling the Honduran government and the peaceful though very hard existence of even the poor in Honduras. Other than for the love of Marx, it would involve the illicit drug trade that absolutely involves the Brazilian government officials.

[Zelaya's] surprise return to Honduras offers an opportunity to end the country’s political crisis.

Now that President Zelaya is back it would be opportune to restore him to his position under appropriate circumstances, get on with the election that is currently scheduled for November, have a peaceful transition of presidential authority and get Honduras back to constitutional and democratic order.

Translation: Since he’s back in Honduras, might as well make him president again. There is just too much wrong with this statement.

Also, it is not quite what Clinton said when Zelaya tried to fly back, then set up a border crossing from Nicaragua. Then it was “reckless”.

It was stated that it must be a legal order but a soldier can stand on the ground of a moral order as well. There has been many case laws in the Uniform Code of Military Justice in which a soldier having refused an immoral or illegal order has been found innocent by a jury of his peers. The key for a soldier is that if you feel an order is immoral or illegal you request it in writing, if the officer or non-commissioned officer refuses to place that order in writing you get a witness. A soldier MUST report an order that is immoral or illegal to a higher officer immediately. Read the oath very closely, it only states that a soldier must protect the constitution, and follow orders under regulations.

This circumstance is a “catch-22″ exercise to a large extent.

After refusing to obey an order (legal, lawful, or not), the soldier will be charged with disobeying a direct order. The military does not allow the rank and file to make determinations of legality or lawfulness of an order.

If the soldier chooses a courts-martial over NJP, the court may find the order unlawful, thereby exonerating the soldier. That, however, is a very steep hill to climb.

Consider this:

1. You’re an infantryman standing in the street of a small town after engaging in combat for several hours. Your CO orders you to shoot what appears (in your mind) to be a young female (pre-teen) riding a bike towards you. You refuse based on this information.

2. You’re an Air Force Major. You are on duty in a MinuteMan silo in South Dakota. You receive orders to launch your missile via normal and validated procedures. You refuse because you don’t believe the order is valid.

3. Your platoon sergeant orders you to wash his car.

Which of these cases has a defense for dis-obeying an order?

I am not in the military, but have always wondered, especially recently, what if the military is given orders they know are absolutely against the Constitution? Say, helping get a legally ousted President back into the country that ousted him (legally). Surely, there are some safeguards for this kind of situation.

truetexan on September 21, 2009 at 3:26 PM

It was stated that it must be a legal order but a soldier can stand on the ground of a moral order as well. There has been many case laws in the Uniform Code of Military Justice in which a soldier having refused an immoral or illegal order has been found innocent by a jury of his peers. The key for a soldier is that if you feel an order is immoral or illegal you request it in writing, if the officer or non-commissioned officer refuses to place that order in writing you get a witness. A soldier MUST report an order that is immoral or illegal to a higher officer immediately. Read the oath very closely, it only states that a soldier must protect the constitution, and follow orders under regulations. I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God

I just can’t grasp why.

AnninCA on September 21, 2009 at 3:14 PM

PUTIN.

Thanks. As long as one person is reading about this it is worthwhile.

elduende on September 21, 2009 at 11:17 PM

More than one. Keep posting.

mpoppelWTF RT @RodrigoBNO: Trying to confirm reports that say the military is storming the Brazilian embassy in Tegucigalpa.

From Twitter a few minutes ago.